Zuma backup plane 'necessary'

2012-01-19 10:25

Johannesburg - A backup plane was chartered to shadow President Jacob Zuma's jet during his recent visit to the United States, the department of defence confirmed on Thursday.

"There were two aircraft, but one of them turned back halfway and landed on a nearby island," defence spokesperson Ndhivuwo Mabaya said.

He said the plane was used as a backup in case Zuma's jet suffered a mechanical fault during the flight.

"The president's jet was out of circulation for three months while it had gone for a service. It is technically expected for the plane to accompany the president in case there was problem with the jet."

Mabaya said the use of a backup plane was not uncommon and was used in similar circumstances around the world.

According to Die Burger, experts estimated the cost of the flight at about R2.6m.

Extra plane unnecessary - DA

It was alleged in media reports on Thursday that the plane was seen in US airspace and that audio of it landing at John F Kennedy International Airport in New York last week, confirmed it flew using an SA Air Force call sign.

Mabaya denied that the plane had followed Zuma into the US.

"It stopped halfway because the jet was okay and it waited until the president came back to South Africa, in case something happened on the return journey," he said.

The Business Day reported on Thursday that the Bombardier Global Express ZS-AMP was chartered by a private company to shadow Zuma's jet.

DA defence spokesperson David Maynier told the newspaper the backup plane was unnecessary.

He said the use of a backup plane was not a common practice and it raised questions about why it was necessary to charter a plane if the air force had complete confidence in the jet.

The DA would submit questions to Parliament over the cost of chartering the plane and whether Zuma's safety had been compromised during the flight.

Zuma was in the US ahead of South Africa assuming the rotating presidency of the United Nations Security Council, which is based in New York.

  • Bardy - 2012-01-19 10:31

    Was he going to jump to the other plane if his one started giving problems? This is a total waste of money! Take them down DA!

      Tshepo - 2012-01-19 10:36

      lol. That's a good one Bardy.

      David - 2012-01-19 10:38

      This is Zuma's policy. He needs backup for everything, and that includes his 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th wife..etc

      Dirk - 2012-01-19 10:43

      No, the second plane, was for his extended family. His wives were going to do a bit of shopping in NYC (with your money)and one plane is not big enough to bring that back. Heck, if you have seen the size of the wives, be grateful that a large freight plane was not chartered. And last but not least. JZ nephew is in the charter business and pays wonderful kickbacks

      rbphiri - 2012-01-19 10:50

      Flying high on the gravy plane. I bet the plane is need to LIFT their standards higher

      Fredster - 2012-01-19 10:52

      They need the extra one as it has blue lights on the roof and it is used to push other aircraft out of the way

      rbphiri - 2012-01-19 10:53

      That's a lot of wasted fuel, next think we might hear of another plane following the backup plane in case it fails. Next thing you know will have the whole airport following the president.

      Squeegee - 2012-01-19 11:00

      Someone commented earlier: "They had recordings on Eye Witness News this morning from JFK airport that the second plane actually flew to the US and did not land on the islands as reported, and then returned with the prez. Can't we sue the govt for misspending / mismanagement of our Tax money?"

      Pierre - 2012-01-19 11:04

      The "hard earned taxes" by waisting time on blogs all day long!

      Hotkop - 2012-01-19 11:08

      So what are you doing here?

      mmatau - 2012-01-19 11:22

      @bardy, i thought about the same this when I read the article. This is now becoming too rediculous!!

      Hotkop - 2012-01-19 11:36

      I'm not working. I'm on leave. And still pay taxes.

      colin.dovey - 2012-01-19 11:47

      Defence spokesperson Ndhivuwo Mabaya is a blatant liar - there is VOICE footage of the "back-up" plane's pilot landing at Kennedy. To cover up, the 1st plane landed at another airport. The second aircraft was carrying an entourage of his ANC sychophants and hangers on. What a total disaster Zuma has been for the ANC, and more importantly, for the people of South Africa who he is now letting down on a daily basis. CLUELESS!

      Gordon - 2012-01-19 12:05

      Who or what was one the other plane?

      Siyanda - 2012-01-19 12:17

      Have you all read this?

      Jarryd - 2012-01-19 12:21

      I just wonder what the cost saving would be if he used a private chartered jet each time he wanted to fly somewhere international, or if its domestically, used public aeroplanes. No Flying x2 jets, no maintenence costs....really not a totally unreasonable line of thought.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-01-19 12:45

      Oh Bardy funny but so true...exactly what Iwas thinking..

      nasheenar - 2012-01-19 15:41

      While we busy spending the tax Payers money so frivilously lets just get him on a space ship and send him off to Mars.

  • Hotkop - 2012-01-19 10:32

    No emergency landing strips over the ocean that I'm aware of.

      Lorenzo - 2012-01-19 10:48

      No man... you dont understand, if his plane was faulty, Zuma would've jumped from his plane into the backup plane. OBVIOUS :p lol

      Pierre - 2012-01-19 11:02

      That joke was already made and it was not even funny the first time.

      Shadoz66 - 2012-01-19 11:26

      no man malema put in the tender for the eish ocean landing strip.Never to be built

      stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-01-19 11:35

      They thought you could park a plane on a cloud, I guess.

      Hans - 2012-01-19 12:12

      LOL if the one dived into the water tha otha one goes looking for it, Ha-Ha

      CarlS - 2012-01-19 12:34

      Someone pass Pierre a tampon.

  • Heini - 2012-01-19 10:32

    "private jet" "landing on an island" One would swear this was royalty we were speaking of, and not the president of an impoverished nation!

      spartanx93 - 2012-01-19 11:38

      In reality he is just an obese reject!

      Siyanda - 2012-01-19 12:18

      Have you all read this?

      Dirk - 2012-01-19 14:16

      Pierre has applied for a job in Zoomers office, but requires a good portfolio

      spartanx93 - 2012-01-19 14:36

      If the ANC can't even look after their land borders. What use is a navel vessel going to be to protect our coastlines?

  • procold2 - 2012-01-19 10:33

    agree with the DA,seems the pilots had a couple days free holiday on the canary islands at gov expense,what a waste of money.

      Angela - 2012-01-19 15:25

      Maybe is was some of the wives and children who had a couple of days in the Canary Islands. Tennerife is wonderful around this time of the year !

  • Hotkop - 2012-01-19 10:33

    "It stopped halfway" LMFA!!!!!!!

      Nitro - 2012-01-19 10:35

      yeah didn't know you can actually stop 25000ft + in air.

      Hotkop - 2012-01-19 10:41

      LOL! The ANC can do ANYTHING!

      Myvision - 2012-01-19 10:46

      What does this have to do with the ANC now?

      rbphiri - 2012-01-19 10:55

      If they can even stop corruption, how do they expect to stop a jet in mid air.

      Myvision - 2012-01-19 10:57

      I've heard people calling Bafana Bafana, "the ANC" after a string of poor perfomances

      Nitro - 2012-01-19 11:06

      @myancmyfuture i also heard that, but you know they right coz they are us useless just as the anc.

      Nitro - 2012-01-19 11:07

      LOL at Hotkop!!!

      Myvision - 2012-01-19 11:09

      The majority of senior personnel in the SANDF are mainly those who were in the SADF prior to 1994, and I'm not sure if they have ANC membership or if they are the ones responsible for the President's itenary. Perhaps you may find that they are mainly men, now do you put blame on men in general?

      Garth - 2012-01-19 11:15

      Nope, we still blame the useless, inept, thieving, racist anc.

      Myvision - 2012-01-19 11:15

      @ Nitro, that's a very strong and valid point you made there

      Hotkop - 2012-01-19 11:17

      "The majority of senior personnel in the SANDF are mainly those who were in the SADF prior to 1994" B!S! The SANDF is not responsible for the "ITENARY" of the president. I'm in the SANDF and your statement is total rubbish! Who said anything about men???

      Myvision - 2012-01-19 11:19

      @Garth Racist ANC??, can you justify your point

      Hotkop - 2012-01-19 11:21

      Or are you thinking about the female "generals" in the SANDF that walk down the street, in stepouts, with a Shoprite bag full of groceries on their heads.

      Hotkop - 2012-01-19 11:24

      "Perhaps you may find that they are mainly men, now do you put blame on men in general?" EXPLAIN!

      Myvision - 2012-01-19 11:24

      @ Hotkop Can't you make your point without using such names as rubbish, idiots ? I am the one who's making a point about men as you made yours about the ANC?

      Pierre - 2012-01-19 11:28

      Ah, “stop halfway”; you are slowly beginning to unravel the truth. Maybe a few more coffees and you guys might improve to only slightly inebriated. It clearly works like this. In case of a mechanical problem the plain can divert to the nearest airport and the president can change planes, without being stranded for days. Think how the DA will wet themselves if the president is out of the country stranded at some airport. They will add up all the salaries of every staff member that could have been on the plane, plus any costs of the “rescue” plane, multiply all with some DA factor and flaunt some extraordinary number in the media that the likes of you guys will just gobble up to make you feel less guilty for voting for Apartheid.

      Hotkop - 2012-01-19 11:28

      Rubbish is not a name.

      Hotkop - 2012-01-19 11:34

      Pierre, Let's say they can't divert, will he be stranded in the ocean for days?

      Pierre - 2012-01-19 11:43

      @ Hotkop: Do I realy have to answer this. The 2de plane can only be used if they can divert in an emergency and make a landing. If not (and we hope this does not happen), the 2de plane can clearly not come into play.

      Hotkop - 2012-01-19 11:44

      Oh and FYI. Halfway from here to the US is over the ocean so please scrap that idea of landing and diverting. This stupidity is becoming annoying now.

      Pierre - 2012-01-19 11:53

      @ Hotkop: Because you don't understand the argument does not make the other person stupid. You seem to be fixated on an “ocean landing”. A plane can clearly get stranded in the US and then a 2de is available; instead of waiting another day for it.

      Jerhone - 2012-01-19 11:58

      To Myancmydownfall so if it's all sadf personel why did your glorious umkonte wants sweets not have their own airforce? acording to you it was your umkonte want sweets that liberated this country, amazing winning a war without an airforce, unheard of in modern warfare, or is it all your elpresidente's don't trust umkonte topgun pilots?

      Hans - 2012-01-19 12:17

      .... next thing is a Squadron Grippons with blue lights and sirens to eskort each plane - LMFA!!!

      Myvision - 2012-01-19 12:41

      @ jerhorny Where did I make any point about umkonte/war/victory or you want to open that as a discussion? My point is that it is the the defence force is responsible for the President's itenary not the African National Congress. @ Hotkop You win

      Warren - 2012-01-19 15:08

      This is actually a reply to Pierre. Why do you assume that we rationally minded tax paying citizens who see the ANC as for who they really are voted for Apartheid. The people who voted for Apartheid are all in homes for the aged. We were the generation who voted for change when the referendum was held, because it was our generation who realized that it was time to end the unjust system. The NATS were brilliant at corruption, inneficiancy, jobs for pals and the like. Your ANC comrades learnt well from them and now apply the same doctrine and yet you defend these actions 100% that 99% of people on this discussion find abhorent. Guaranteed you will condemn me as a racist because you are unable to get rid of that huge chip on your own shoulder. See your beloved ANC public fund abusers for what they really are, and them compare them to the old NAT cabinet. They talk and act the same, they just look a litle different. By the way do you pay income tax?

  • Darryl - 2012-01-19 10:35

    what the hell....why one earth would they risk the life of the president in a plane that might have possible mechanical problems, surely if there was even the slightest chance that something could go wrong you dont use the plane....its not like a car where if something goes wrong mechanically you can pull over...

      Sharon - 2012-01-19 11:08

      @ Darryl ..........I dont think they know the concept LOL, excuse me Mr President but we have a problem, please transfer to the other plane we about to explode no time for touching down

      Albert - 2012-01-19 11:16

      Not true,There was a movie where guys climbed from one plain to the next.I wish Zuma had tried it.Jacob Rhambo

      Jerhone - 2012-01-19 12:03

      tell that to pierre the ANC zombie a*sekisser who imagines he has a brain

      Siyanda - 2012-01-19 12:18

      Have you all read this?

      Henk - 2012-01-19 12:26

      Pierre takes the position that it was the correct thing to do. Typical ANC blindness. Thing is, if Zoomer's plane was diverted and landed anywhere, THEN they could have chartered a replacement plane. It is only the ANC who can consider it wise to travel in cavalcades, even if in the air. We all know it was a terrible waste, only the ANC supporters cannot see the problem. If we need proof of the ANC and it's follower's mindset, here it is.

  • tobe.manke - 2012-01-19 10:36

    Bardy! EXACTLY?!?! This make NO sense at all. Wowwwww! This is not good at all. I cannot believe this.

  • Beth - 2012-01-19 10:36

    What absolute drivel! Yet another bull#*$! excuse from the Government in an endeavour to justify their flagrant abuse of funds. Don't hear of any other country's President having two jets for security reasons - not even the President of the USA. Quit the cr#p and start using the country's funds to uplift the disadvantaged majority!!!!

      miquette.caalsen - 2012-01-19 11:32

      Er ... actually the US does have two planes, two identical Boeing 747-200B's, and whichever one happens to carry the US president is referred to as Air Force One (or for that matter ANY air craft that at any point is carrying the US President is called Air Force one). Unfortunatly I can't find any info on whether both accompanies the US president on trips or not, speculation on my part won't be helpful.

      Deon - 2012-01-19 12:06

      @Miquette: both fly, but no-one knows which the president is on in case of attacks. Justifiable, since I think that Mr. Obama is just a tad more influential than our dear Mr. Zuma.

      Jerhone - 2012-01-19 12:10

      it was to take the whole kraal to New York to shop for "CULTURAL THINGS"because all they get in REPUBLIQUE DE SUD is all damm western colonial things that are agaist their roots, did i mention the chicken hocks were tied onto the roof racks of airforce BANANA ONE and two

      Beth - 2012-01-19 12:59

      thanks for correcting my inaccuracy regarding the USA President. However, his life most probably is genuinely in danger due to the States being the No. 1 powerhouse in the world. Also, they can probably both afford and justify this. The ANC continue to blame apartheid for the state of the proleteriate (masses); if they stopped wasting money on unnecessary celebrations costing millions of Rands, and no, I'm not just talking about the ANC's Centenary this year, and the 'fat cats' in government positions riding the 'gravy train' and dipping their fingers into the 'pot', then they would be able to alleviate some of the poverty and homelessness in this country.

      Pierre - 2012-01-19 13:15

      Thanks Miquette, some sense at last. @ the rest: At least we are past landing in the ocean or changing planes mid-air. But now a G20 country’s president is not important enough to warrant the same protection as the US president. Interesting.

      Garth - 2012-01-19 13:56

      Actually m.c. & deon, both planes DO NOT (hear that pierre) accompany the president of the USA on his trips. One is always available for the vice-president to fly in - US law states that the 2 cannot ever travel in the same vehicle3 - car, boat, plane, etc. So, where airforce1 is, airforce2 will never be at the same time, LET ALONE FOLLOWING THE OTHER PLANE!

  • Herman - 2012-01-19 10:36

    Lies, lies, more lies and waste of our hard earned money......the anc MUST be removed from power asap!

  • Theresa - 2012-01-19 10:36

    Ja, nè.Blowing R400 million on a party wasn't enough.Lets blow another R2.6 mil on a 'back-up' plane.

  • Max - 2012-01-19 10:36

    Yes, just as the blue lights on their cars are necessary. Tell this shyte to your voting fodder that believes you.

  • MastersVoice - 2012-01-19 10:37

    Am I the only one wondering why the risk after a service? If this is standard practice, then I would imagine all carriers are doing the same? Unless its a vote of no confidence in our technicians and engineers, and what we're really saying is South Africa does not have technicians and engineers capable of servicing planes properly...

      Cindy - 2012-01-19 10:51

      Quite agree. Does any-one out there hire a back-up car for a long trip after you've had your own car serviced for the trip? I also agree with Geronimo, the Queenie of England flies on her national carrier (BA)but SAA is not good enough for our Prez! Oh puuuhleeez, what a crock

      Albert - 2012-01-19 11:19

      His voters and followers will stand in awe.Our Prez can fly two planes at a!!!!

  • Lorenzo - 2012-01-19 10:38

    It landed in the Canary Islands. Hmmm I wonder which family member of Zuma got treated to an island holiday at Tax payers’ expense? So if Zuma’s plane did experience mechanical problems would they have somehow jumping from the crashing plane into the backup plane??? I hate politicians.

  • Geronimo - 2012-01-19 10:39

    The Queen and the British P.M. fly on the country's national Carrier - BA. If it's good enough for them, why can't our "bigwigs" fly SAA?

      John - 2012-01-19 11:45

      Actually Geronimo, The Queen flies on an RAF Royal Flight plane, an old plane reserved for special duties.

      Garysyd705 - 2012-01-19 11:53

      Thy dont do backup at SAA that why!

      Jerhone - 2012-01-19 12:13

      their fat a*ses won't fit in comercial seats

      Jerhone - 2012-01-19 12:54

      to pierre only a poof uses the word w*nker

  • Newsmonger - 2012-01-19 10:40

    I still dont nderstand what the frack he was gonna do with a back up plane...this oke is a serious chop!

  • Freddy - 2012-01-19 10:41

    Thank you zuma for waisting our money!! And let your people suffer out there!! What a covernement...keep waisting...! Not sure where SA going to with this covernement...???!!

      Lorenzo - 2012-01-19 10:49

      "WASTING" ... "G"overnment...

  • Hennie - 2012-01-19 10:44

    Charge him for the costs.

  • elbie.louw1 - 2012-01-19 10:48

    Why use the bloody plane in the first place if you don't trust the damn thing??!!!

  • Jacqui - 2012-01-19 10:48

    The bigger the ego, the bigger the trimmings. By the way how was he going to get into the second plance in midair?.Walk on air?. Do theae people really believe we don't have a brain in our heads, like them?. Geez.

  • danielmcgeer - 2012-01-19 10:49

  • lebo.lathane - 2012-01-19 10:50

    Let me see if I get this, after a major service on my car, I drive on a long trip and get another car to follow me in case I get issues? Doesn't make sense. And no, the fact that the practice is not uncommon does not propel it closer to being sensible either, I'm sorry! Stop misusing taxpayers' money, please!

  • Graham - 2012-01-19 10:52

    My main problem with this story is that the ANC thinks we are all as dumb as those voting fodder that keep them on the gravy plane!

  • Hermann - 2012-01-19 10:56

    How nice to use money that is not your own! I wonder how much they paid the spin doctor to work out the explanation.

  • Pierre - 2012-01-19 10:57

    These kinds of articles serve the only purpose to stir up divisions where there were no divisions. Of course the bloody DA will oppose; the DA oppose therefore they are. The ANC says red the DA will say blue. If the ANC tries to compromise and say ok there is a bit blue, the DA turns around and says no it’s red. If the defence department say they the need the extra plain, then they need the extra plain. In any case it is very difficult to fly a president in a commercial plane due to the security. Please stop this nonsense and focus on something worthwhile.

      Hotkop - 2012-01-19 11:12

      So there were no divisions before this article was published? So the DOD calls the shots? Don't think so.

      Sharon - 2012-01-19 11:14

      Please go play in the traffic, u just as stupid as the anc freaks

      Donny Doncaster - 2012-01-19 11:21

      @pierre.. There are many heads of state who travel with commercial airlines.. The britsh prime minister travels with BA. And it's plane.

      Albert - 2012-01-19 11:22

      Pierre is one of his retard voters

      Heiku - 2012-01-19 11:27

      I agree with you Pierre.

      Warren - 2012-01-19 11:35

      Pierre must be one of the fortunate BBBBBBEEEEEE ones who owes his existence to a couple of government,no call that ANC tenders to supply something like pencils, erasers and colouring in books to the current dysfunctional education system - the future DOD.

      Jerhone - 2012-01-19 12:18

      hey Pierre go focus on your boyfriend

      Hermann - 2012-01-19 12:27

      The rain in Spain falls mainly on the "plain". Tomorrow I will be going to Cape Town, I will be flying so I will take a "plane". I hope my focus on your spelling was something worthwhile.

      Pierre - 2012-01-19 13:18

      @ Donny: Directly quoted from Wikipedia: "Air transport for the Royal Family and government of the United Kingdom is provided by a variety of military and civilian operators. These currently include The Queen's Helicopter Flight, No. 32 Squadron of the Royal Air Force, chartered civil aircraft or, occasionally, scheduled commercial flights provided by British Airways." Mate the British don't just have a plane or two, they have a whole bloody squadron! The wiki statement is a very far cry from the insinuation that the British government use BA exclusively. I am sure SA government MP’s use SAA "occasionally" too. Thanks Heiku. For the rest I am not going to waist any more time.

      gbbfg - 2012-01-19 14:50

      Pierre, your red vs blue argument is nonsense, as is the rest. They didn't need the extra plane. I'm around jets all the time and I've never heard of such a thing. There must be a different reason they're not telling us about because the mechanical issue thing doesn't make any sense at all to anyone who knows aeroplanes.

  • Newsreader - 2012-01-19 10:58

    Weee waaant eekwaal raaaits.... wee waaant eeeleeeectrik laaaaits.......weeee waaant beeeeg korn baaaits!!!

      Theresa - 2012-01-19 11:16 just made my day a bit brighter!

  • Andre - 2012-01-19 10:59

    Who does these hired planes belong to? I smell another rat here. So, if zumas plain developes a problem in air, they climb over to the back-up plane? We be so lucky!

      George - 2012-01-19 11:15

      Belongs to the taxi union - 2012-01-19 12:35

      Who knows. It could be some company co-owned by Malema.

  • Gail - 2012-01-19 11:01

    Watch Special Assignment tonite, about 4 kids who died while searching for food! The anc had such a lot to say about the previous government, and how to many black people were living in extreme poverty - and this fool, who calls himself our president, thinks he's so important that he feels that he's entitled to spend millions of tax payer money on his own comforts. The anc is a disgusting party, they have NO REGARD for the very people who voted them in! What on earth is zuma flying around the world for anyway? There's enough work in this country to keep him occupied. This is what happens with uncouth, uneducated and self enriching idiots run a country!!!!!!

      Sharon - 2012-01-19 11:15

      Amen Gail ................RIP lil ones

      Clive September - 2012-01-19 11:21

      why did the plain land on an island,waitng for our beloved president. I think he left the left the family there to waist our haed earned money

      Greek - 2012-01-19 11:45


      Greek - 2012-01-19 11:53

      GAIL for PRESIDENT.YOU have my vote

  • Phumi - 2012-01-19 11:04

    Prof. Ben Magubane in Durban (3-5 Septermber 2001) when delivering his paper on 'Racism and Public policy', on page 35 said that: "In post apartheid South Africa, white racist, at home and abroad, hold the view that majority rule inevitably means authoritarian rule, incompetence and corruption. Nowhere is this view being cultivated than today in South Africa, especially by the ideologues of the Democratic Alliance." He further alluded and said that: "Blaming everything on the ANC has become to new hobby of the opposition parties and their press, Basking in the new freedoms, they have forgotten how venal things were when white supremacy was the governing principle in the country. Their preoccupation with preserving their still intact privileges tested Mandela patience, who described their whining as 'pessimism of armchair'." Indeed nothing has changed since then!

      Jon-Jon Zulch - 2012-01-19 11:21

      I am not South African, only reason I read this is because of interests in South Africa...but estimated 2.8mil is a waste of any country if there is a waste of public money someone is held say it is race problem is going backwards, I think a person who says that is himself racist and is blind... However I do know that, hospitals don't have enough equipment...

      Garth - 2012-01-19 11:26

      You should have copied and pasted the article, you black anc racist, then maybe you would not have destroyed the syntax so completely. And `Ben Magubane'? Do you mean African-American Ben Magubane? Or are you merely `alluding' to him.

      Burtfred - 2012-01-19 11:35

      Prof Magubane is viewing matters through ANC tinted glasses. It is the ANC's own best interest to perpetuate polarity of races. After all, they refer to themselves as a party for blacks and indeed, they have implemented policy to favour blacks and disadvantage non-blacks. The ANC are without doubt guilty of gross mismanagement, nepotism, cronyism and corruption in many departments of government. "Blaming" them is not a "hobby" of the opposition, it is their duty and function to hold the megalomaniacs in government to account for their wasteful and sometimes criminal actions. If you can't understand that, Prof., it is time for you to retire.

      Hotkop - 2012-01-19 11:51

      Old Ben. Is he still living in the US shouting from the pavilion?

      Warren - 2012-01-19 12:13

      Bravo Phumi, did you get permission to quote the good prof word for word. Do you actually understand what the man was trying to get across in 2001. Seems ironic now a decade later. What is now happening is that the new ruling party and their cronies are preoccupied in preserving their ill gotten wealth andpreveleges, and this you dare not deny as one day you want your turn at the feeding trough. Do you not realize that it is the DA's job, no duty to question the ruling party at any opportune moment. Seems to me you want a one party state just like pre 1995, just as long as it is the frigging ANC. It is now evidently happening to your liking. Let us have a look see. Authoritarian - We will pass the State Security Bill ( Secrecy Act ) whether you like it or not. You will pay a toll, without consultation, to use upgraded freeways, we will use the army to harrass innocent citizens and to supplement the incompetent police etc.etc. Incompetence - The billing of electricity and water, the interrupted supply of electricity, absent teachers, absent MP's in Parliament, dysfunctional municipalities, babies dying in hospitals etc.etc. Corruption - ARMS DEAL, Well I rest my case. Take the frigging log out of your own eye you bloody chop. It has come full circle my friend. Your beloved ANC to whom you are blindly loyal have got you where they want you and it stinks.

      Motho - 2012-01-19 12:18

      Those that are real human beings will understand you and the animals wont hey. YOU SAID IT LOUD AND CLEAR.

      Jerhone - 2012-01-19 12:56

      And nothing has changed concerning the lot of the poor masses professor dumba*se, your ANC party has spent only 10% of the billions that they stole and wasted on crap instead of housing for the masses tell your a*se kissing professor to lay off the tik pipe it has nothing to do with this party or that, it's about governing wisley,fairly,openly, trustfully, caring for your nation and country and not enriching yourself, i do believe the word MINISTER means SERVANT to the people, to this current lot it means filling your pockets with as much as you can steal. STUFF the poor we'll call on them come election time, all it costs us is a chicken and a tee-shirt and we're assured of billions of rands for the next five years

      Jayne - 2012-01-19 15:00

      Anyone who bases their thinking on the c**p that pours out of that mans mouth is nothing more than a pure idiot!!!!!! You are so brainwashed you idiot..... it is not just the white people in this country that are unhappy / suffering. Education, poverty, unemployment, crime, corruption... These see no colour.... wake up and smell the BS

  • Matthew - 2012-01-19 11:05

    the only reason I can think why he needed the extra plan was to carry the buckets of kfc for on board meals, absolute and shameless waste of taxpayers money!

  • Lordwick - 2012-01-19 11:06

    South Africa unite,our country is mid-way down the drain!!!

  • Burtfred - 2012-01-19 11:06

    If he wasn't such a megalomaniac, he would have flown 1st class on SAA. They do perfectly fine daily flights to and from the USA. Maybe there aren't enough 1st class seats on an A340 to fit all his fat wives?

  • Ryan - 2012-01-19 11:08

    If there was even the slightest chance of a failure, then why did Zuma not just fly in the chartered plane in the first place and leave the other one in SA for further testing? And, why on earth deny that the plane flew into US airspace when this is confirmed by the JFK tower reports? Absolutely bizarre "thinking" by this bunch.

  • ludlowdj - 2012-01-19 11:09

    Why get upset the ANC has a real and traceable history of wasting and stealing taxpayers money.

  • kosmonooit - 2012-01-19 11:09

    Lets get the facts please: -Flight plan / path of shadow jet. That should be a matter of public record. -Were there passengers in this jet? -Who does it belong to? Also this baloney of it being 'in case' - please if a jet is serviced, it should fly, if there is anything not working properly it should not fly.

  • Deeteem - 2012-01-19 11:11

    W T F This man thinks he is God !! Afrikaans box !!

      Motho - 2012-01-19 12:21

      Are you not the devil?

  • Silver - 2012-01-19 11:17

    "There were two aircraft, but one of them turned back halfway and landed on a nearby island," - Zuma clan vacation?

  • Heinrich - 2012-01-19 11:18

    Productivity = Output/Input. If the Input was R2.6m, please show me what Zuma did to achieve any kind of positive productivity figure, which could not have been achieved by a simple telephone call. I feel that politicians should travel by sailing boat, as their trips are never of an urgent nature. They can carry on with "working" while at sea. With any luck the boat will capsize or disappear into the Bermuda triangle.

  • Warren - 2012-01-19 11:19

    Denial,denial,denial. This is sickening. Every department in Government has an exceptionally skilled spokesperson/spindoctor trained by the best con artists money can buy. There must be a Phd in Spindoctoring, only open to ANC cadres at some obscure tertiary education facility. The ANC leadership is exactly like the Nats. The DA can submit questions to the ruling party in parliament till the cows come home. The spin doctors have already received their briefs on how to answer and justify any permutation of questions put to them. As they say, the circus carries on and the ringmaster has coreographed all his performers to his command.

  • Alex - 2012-01-19 11:19

    Come on ZUM ZUM,Do expect us to believe this crap you are telling us,

  • Johan - 2012-01-19 11:24

    Now it is official: Our prez thinks SAA is as bad as it is!!!

  • muzi.m.khumalo - 2012-01-19 11:25

    It looks like people just comment without thinking. The American president uses back up jet all the time. This is for security reasons and we do not here Americans complaining. I'm not saying SA should do the same. We need to understand that these are security measures. It looks like in SA we critisize everything the government does, good or bad.

      Johan - 2012-01-19 11:27

      Unfortunately it is usually bad...

      Silver - 2012-01-19 11:29

      Next time, book him a Mango! ... It is cheaper.

      Siyanda - 2012-01-19 11:51

      @muzi.m.khumalo Maybe so, but America has a lot of enemies and the only enemies South Africa has is just watching because nobody can cause so much destruction as the ANC. America should classify the ANC as "a weapon of mass destruction".

      shaun.cousins1 - 2012-01-19 12:05

      The US uses its own government planes, not a private one in this case registered to ARALIA TRADING (PTY) LTD,ie zs-amp which was used.This government is more than paranoid, why couldn't the zuma use the "taxi" owed jet.

      Nitro - 2012-01-19 12:05

      who cares WTF Obama does. We are not living in America, we are living in SA and we are South Africans!

      Tshepile Sempe - 2012-01-19 12:14

      With due respect Muzi, the department does not mention security as reason but claims safety as the plane had just underwent major service. The question is why not safe cost and use the back up plane because it appears to be the reliable one. At times this spin doctors think we are stupid. I wonder how many concubines were in a back up plane .

      Siyanda - 2012-01-19 12:20

      Have you all read this?

      Gedoemde - 2012-01-19 12:47

      Don't worry muzy, empty cans usually makes lot of noises....!!

      Nkulekweni - 2012-01-19 12:53

      The American president is a target Zuma is not. Nobody outside the country cares that much about him.

      Jerhone - 2012-01-19 13:03

      Yeees if dats da case, but Americans hev got somebody with a brain to protect, if "banana one" went down it would not be a loss, just go to da nearest asylum and ask if anyone wants to rule republique du babana

      Jerhone - 2012-01-19 13:18

      @Ship for brains "true developement" after 18 years in power billions wasted gone and stolen please remind us o brainless one of the true developement that has made the masses who protest almost daily happy, is it that all have houses, water and lights, that COULD HAVE BEEN PROVIDED BUT was p*ssed down the drain due to incompetence, theft, stupid procurments of unnessary ARMS, unnessary FOOTBALL STADIUMS which we are useless at, unnessary PARTIES,i'm so tired of pointing this out to all you brain dead ANC zombies who can't see the isnjorka biting you in the a*ses year after year

  • Ian - 2012-01-19 11:32

    He should have caught an SAA flight to show how much faith he had in them, and then built a few hundred more houses.................

  • barry.mcbride - 2012-01-19 11:34

    Zuma should have just travelled there in the backup plane then.

  • Jim - 2012-01-19 11:35

    This is totally unbelievable. If the defence force is incapable of maintaining it's aircraft and cannot be sure that a plane is safe to fly after a 3 month maintenance period then Ms Sisulu must take action and appoint competent people to manage defence force assets on behalf of the people of South Africa who own these assets. Ms Sisulu should also instruct Mr Mabaya to tell this country exactly which other countries are so unsure of their presidential aircraft that they use a second plane to shadow the plane carrying their head of state.

  • Jerhone - 2012-01-19 11:38

    one word BOBJAANE

      muzi.m.khumalo - 2012-01-19 12:05

      This is the mentality that made SA what it is today. How much did the aparthheid government spend on helicopters and weapons to kill black people in SA. Unfortunately we did not have access to that info. At least now the media is free to report on everything, including how much the president spends on breakfast or lunch and no one suppresses those rights.

      Hotkop - 2012-01-19 12:12

      Not much. They didn't kill blacks with helicopters in SA and the weapons they used wasn't very expensive. Oh, your government killed more people is SA compared to blacks being killed by the apartheid government.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-01-19 13:02

      Muzi two wrongs do not make a right. When people say ...why critisize the South African government...the USA government is the most corrupt in the world..I always say that is true but our government has more onus on it to ensure that no child dies of starvation, no child is denied proper education, no south african is without shelter and health care because a lot of our people..our brothers and sisters died in living memory fighting for that. Therefore yes the apartheid government was just as corrupt and indeed caused suffering to the majority of South Africans but isnt that why we fought against it...why fight against practices and then adopt them yourself ....the price paid by some families for the end of the suffering caused by apartheid regime is very very very high. Some mothers lost all their we need to fight against corruption again...

      Nkulekweni - 2012-01-19 13:03

      Hotkop you really do not know anything

  • RobertaKeeling - 2012-01-19 11:41

    That is the most stupid lie I have ever heard in my life! As BArdy said - is he going to "wing walk" from the "stricken" plane to the one backing up if something goes wrong? And Mr. Mabaya probably misn't intelligent enough to realise that one can listen to ATC on the 'net if you know what you're looking for. So if someone heard that second aircraft's call sign, it means they were there. R2.6 mill wasted. And "when everything was OK the jet turned back!" They must think people are as stupid as they are.

      Kenny - 2012-01-19 13:07

      Might have been three planes if he took all his known kids with. Hope the plane has a shower head fitting to fit his head

      RobertaKeeling - 2012-01-19 13:23

      I'm sure it has all the modcons!

  • Martin - 2012-01-19 11:45

    this is the president that advised the nation during his election, that he was a president for the people, and when he needed to fly he would use South African Airways. There was no need to have these special expenses.

  • raymond.kok3 - 2012-01-19 11:48

    paraniod idiots

  • swavka - 2012-01-19 12:07

    I think that seeing as how our beloved pres. loves to show off and how he sprouts job creation he should fly SANTACO Airlines.Besides that he is just trying to prove that his d*** is bigger than anyone else is in Africa, and he does because he can - still put a spin on it and the voting masses believe him.

  • Karen - 2012-01-19 12:08

    The priorities of our government clearly needs to be relooked at. Bigger prisons,or second jet??? More houses or second jet??? WTF