Zuma brought ancestors' wrath - clan

2012-11-06 12:26

Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma's visit to the AmaMpondomise Heritage Celebration in the Eastern Cape, which was organised by the Dosini clan, has been labelled as "inappropriate" by another clan, the Dispatch Online reported on Tuesday.

"It could not have been more inappropriate for him to attend Sunday’s [event] because it shows he is favouring a certain group," Mvuzo Notyesi, a lawyer for the Jola clan, told the Eastern Cape publication.

Notyesi said a thunderstorm during Sunday's celebrations showed the ancestors' wrath.

"It is a sign the ancestors are rejecting his approach in handling this. It was not just a coincidence."

The AmaMpondomise nation is appealing the outcome of the Nhlapho commission, which ruled that it did not have a legitimate kingdom.

Although all clans agreed on their right to a kingdom, the Dosini and Jola clans are divided on who the rightful king should be.

Zuma had not attended events organised by the Jola clan, the Dispatch Online reported.

The presidency referred queries to the co-operative governance and traditional affairs department. Its spokesperson Nghamula Nkuna was not immediately available for comment.

  • gustav.harmse - 2012-11-06 12:30

    Build a nation with these morons

      digger.dighead - 2012-11-07 00:05

      Ooooh the ancestors have spoken, we're all doomed now!!! Really??

  • dave.elmore.5 - 2012-11-06 12:30

    Now isnt that picture of Zuma just the scariest thing you have ever seen? Worth a lightning strike for sure

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-11-06 13:16

      He should try weight watchers or Tony Furgoson-anything to get rid of the blubber.

  • Shaun - 2012-11-06 12:31

    hahahahahaha,what a bunch of idiots.this has to be a mock story cause no way could this be real.

      dewald.galjaard - 2012-11-06 12:34

      better believe it

  • Pete7930 - 2012-11-06 12:31

    Oh so proudly South African!

  • johnny.coetzee.3 - 2012-11-06 12:32

    Ai tog !!

  • Hasani P - 2012-11-06 12:32

    Wow! Our president

  • sarecen.smith - 2012-11-06 12:34


  • sean.bezuidenhout - 2012-11-06 12:34

    Flip and these guys are controlling our taxes, dictating our future for our families making decisions around your assets. I,m sorry people we have a serious problem. When you die you are dead dude we don't float around like ghosts.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-06 14:03

      Invisible sky daddies is what causes 95% of the world's problems...

      tw2066 - 2012-11-06 14:50

      haha, and the Easter bunny can see his Easter eggs...

  • sarecen.smith - 2012-11-06 12:35


  • danie.strydom.7 - 2012-11-06 12:35

    "Notyesi said a thunderstorm during Sunday's celebrations showed the ancestors' wrath." Eish

      Sonnyjakes - 2012-11-06 13:36

      Aggrieved chief will now cast spell on JZ "May the fleas of 10 000 dead camels infest your hairy armpits" Hmmm they are probably under the lion cloth already.

      Jo.Davies123 - 2012-11-06 14:22

      There was a thunder storm on Saturday while I was doing housework. An obvious sign the ancestors were not pleased with that. I shall stop doing anymore housework with immediate effect

  • colin.smith.1291421 - 2012-11-06 12:35

    Ancestors can not even make the wind blow never make a thunderstorm. What a joke!!!!!!! Why do you not ask them to make it snow???????????????

  • ant.duke - 2012-11-06 12:37

    AAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHH FAAARKK...!!! *runs like hell*...

      dave.elmore.5 - 2012-11-06 12:41

      I was eating my lunch when i saw that picture.....*runs to the toilet*

  • monica.saayman.1 - 2012-11-06 12:38

    South Africa was build on Christian foundations, How do we expect to prosper if we are being led by someone that believe in ancestry. It doesn't help that the majority of SA also believe in this hog wash even though they are wrong in their believe! (Just because you have the majority moving in one direction doesn't mean they are correct)

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-06 12:48

      It's the same hogwash as your belief system so don't mock and disrespect what others believe Monica

      duduzile.nkosi - 2012-11-06 12:49

      Next u'll say, the Jews, Muslim and Hindus cant practice their beliefs because SA was built on Christian foundations

      aspruyt - 2012-11-06 12:51

      It might not be wrong but it sure as hell makes you look like a buffoon stuck in the dark ages!

      gordon.thefreeman1 - 2012-11-06 12:59

      You are right - christian and apartheid beliefs. On the other hand the idea that when you die, you still live is also laughable.

      shaun.stanley2 - 2012-11-06 13:05

      What a ridiculous thing to say. Belief in nonsense, generally, is a problem - and Christianity is not very different at all from ancestor worship. If anything, the belief in everlasting torture for people with unorthodox opinions is a much uglier idea than the facile notions that past generations take an interest in the weather here on earth. Realize that your own justifications for your beliefs are exactly the same as their justifications - which is to say, non-rational and foolish. In order for SA to move forward, we will have to abandon all sorts of false beliefs (beliefs about tribal identity, about cultural sanctity, about religion, about ancestors, about race, about ethnicity and so on) The kind of thinking which you portray is exactly the opposite of what we need.

      thifulufhelwi.masala - 2012-11-06 13:07

      Its people like you monica who always drag us backwards. Beliv in wat you beliv in and let ada people beliv on their religions. U say they are wrong as if you have died and come bek to life to know the afta life?

      Mpotsiseng - 2012-11-06 13:16

      @Monica please don't forget that, as much as it was built on Christian foundations. Before it was colonised the people believed in ancestors. So why is it a problem when a black african person(especially the president) practices his culture????? And whose to say it wrong to believe in ancestors? Dont white people visit their dead grannies and grandpa's graves????

      sukhoipakfa - 2012-11-06 13:30

      @Monica,did you choose today to humiliate yourself in public?

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-06 13:57

      And the first prize for 21st century thinking goes to..............Michael Horton . And a noble prize for utter bollocks.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-06 14:07

      Believing in anything that you cannot see, hear or touch is dumb, regardless if it is Islam, xtianity or ancestors. There is no evidence to support any of their doctrines, so how can there be belief in it?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-06 14:08

      However, it is everyone's right to believe what they want. Just like it is my right to believe in nothing (atheist)

      Michael - 2012-11-06 15:48

      Oh, so your invisible elder in the sky is worth more than his then? There is an awful lot of hypocrisy in this entire thread...

      colin.langley - 2012-11-07 11:39

      The problem with religion or ancestors worship is that all of you are looking at the heavens and not looking in front of you. Stop fighting and start doing what every human being with common sense would do. Help and support one another. It's really not that hard.

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-11-06 12:42

    I am sure the Ancestors have turned against The King of Nkandla....what about the ANC ancestors who fought so hard for the struggle and now Zuma is destroying everything they fought and died for. Wait, there is more to come.

  • angela.nair.3 - 2012-11-06 12:42

    I need reminding - This is South Africa? This is the year 2012? This is the 21st Century? Seeing pictures like this, being told that Tribal law is best and seeing people march with traditional weapons made me wonder. Thought I died and woke up some time in the past.... Too sad - when we catching up with the rest of the world I wonder... I hope our youth have the tenacity to keep up with this century!

  • sean.odonnell.1466126 - 2012-11-06 12:42

    Good! let Zuma get blamed unreasonably for this occurance - much in the same way he keeps unreasonably blaming Apartheid for the state of this country.

  • duduzile.nkosi - 2012-11-06 12:43

    Dont comment on things u know nothing about!!!

      gustav.harmse - 2012-11-06 12:46

      Then please tell us Oh wise one

      johnny.coetzee.3 - 2012-11-06 12:48

      Ag please... RUN SA, RUN !!!!

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-06 12:54

      Roll the bones my boy.

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-11-06 13:46

      Oh wise one-what were they ancestors doing during "apartheid". If you check the weather for those years,nothing pops out as off the map weather patterns. I guess you are one of those who believes rubbing on "special muthi" will make you invisible too. Suddenly you dont seem so wise at all!

      tw2066 - 2012-11-06 14:53

      Zuma comments on all sorts of things he knows nothing about

  • matt.cumming.77 - 2012-11-06 12:44

    I thought Zeus ran the thunderstorms?!

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-06 12:55

      He does and he was born in the Eastern Cape.

      lielie.smit - 2012-11-06 13:15

      ha ha, made my day with that one!!!!

  • nhlapop - 2012-11-06 12:44

    Thats all that he know. He will be remembered as a good singer.

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-11-06 13:54

      Revival of the "Real Village People" ....

  • Sduma - 2012-11-06 12:46

    Wow the ppl will alwayz stay losing if they keep on believing this if it wasn't bad enough that we are led by a dummy

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-06 12:53

      What is your particular brand of hogwash and why is it more credible than this ?

  • earle.francis.9 - 2012-11-06 12:46

    What complete and utter unadultrated bullsh*t!!!.... bunch of prehistoric morons!

      LanfearM - 2012-11-06 13:12

      Yeah right, just like the educated religious Americans who loudly proclaim to the world that storms such as Sandy, is god's judgement on the US for all kinds of imagined "sins", neh.

  • stirrer.stirrer - 2012-11-06 12:48

    Hey Zuma - the ancestors say you may not be corrupt, else they will cause a thunderstorm up your @$$ and make your spear shrivel up like piece of old biltong.

  • eugene.muller.7 - 2012-11-06 12:51

    And we have The Hulk...

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-06 12:56

      Spelling mistake BULK

  • jacob.mphatswe - 2012-11-06 12:52

    Good Afternoon South Africa

  • sfiso.khuzwayoii - 2012-11-06 12:53


  • Tiaan Liebenberg - 2012-11-06 12:54

    He should have stood outside during the thunderstorm, spear in hand - could have been a shocking experience

  • auntie.lebo - 2012-11-06 12:54

    People need to be reminded to respect other people's culture and religions I don't believe in ancestors but I will not disrespect those that do please respect other people we're all entitled to our own opinions and beliefs.

      andre.kuhn.583 - 2012-11-06 13:21

      Auntie well said. This is why I believe South Africa (and not only South Africa - Europe too) should have a very much federal govenment system. It would be a "Federation of South African Regions" with as much as possible competence and culture! left to the regions. Globalisation and centralisation are the main devils in our world driven by greed and more greed. Keep the spirits alive!!!

      kimard - 2012-11-06 15:57

      actually one earns respect - its hard to respect thieves and murderers

  • Antipoaching - 2012-11-06 12:54

    Hey guys, freedom of worship is guaranteed in our Constitution..... There are those who view Christianity as old-fashioned, outdated and archaic so lets not get too uppity over a bit of ancestor worship....

  • tony.naidoo - 2012-11-06 12:56

    The Gods must be Crazy! Blessed be the meteorologists. They are the prophets of doom!

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-06 13:11

      Zuma is the only one profiting from our doom.

  • monica.saayman.1 - 2012-11-06 12:58

    You can hide behind freedom of speech, you can hide behind your culture. It is still doesn't you are correct. There is a simple answer for everything....and it is YES or NO! No half yes or half no. And please don't mock Christianity, we don't mock you.

      auntie.lebo - 2012-11-06 13:04 christians are correct by saying that God heals the sick?

      vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-11-06 13:15

      And raises the dead!!!!!!!!!!!

      LanfearM - 2012-11-06 13:17

      Who mocked christianity in this article or comments? You can hide behind your bible, it still doesn't mean you are correct. Their ancestor worship is no less worthy than your christian worship.

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-06 13:27

      But cannot cure a bald patch or an amputee. Why won't these ancestor believers accept that snakes talk, virgin's giving birth to deities....we need to get them up to speed.

      vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-11-06 13:55

      And walks on water!!!!!!!!!

      Antipoaching - 2012-11-06 15:47

      and yet Monica, "Christians" have been heaping abuse on the folk who are ancestor worshippers.... Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

  • gavin.taylor.79 - 2012-11-06 12:58

    Raybans & Nikes.....eish, this western, capitalist, materialist trash

  • terrylee.heuer - 2012-11-06 12:59

    And so a thunderstorm will be investigated!!!

      kent.paulsen.79 - 2012-11-06 18:53

      KZN wanted to investigate why lightning was killing so many people. I now presume the ancestors: to be cross. Please aplease them ASAP and all this lightning nonsence should stop.

  • Malose-Nyatlo - 2012-11-06 13:03

    A lawyer believing in the wrath of ancestors?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-06 14:14


  • gary.desousa.7 - 2012-11-06 13:03

    Can somebody give these clans a calendar or something to let them know we are in 2012 not 1712 anymore

  • darren.peach - 2012-11-06 13:04

    I actually think its kinda refreshing to see a Picture of the President wearing traditional warrior gear. Imagine Mitt Romney won the elections in the US( Please no !!!!!). What would he dress up as, A Mormon ? Naysayers , This a something to be proud of. Culture.

  • sarecen.smith - 2012-11-06 13:04


  • robyne.peel.9 - 2012-11-06 13:04 have a culture you have to have evolved....were still waiting...

  • sean.murphy.165 - 2012-11-06 13:07

    South Africa will never progress into the 21st century as long as we are handicapped with people whose thinking has not yet left the Stone Age.

      LanfearM - 2012-11-06 13:14

      Yup, so I suppose you don't believe in a god and have no religious affiliation?

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-06 13:38

      Oh boy the comment drips with irony

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-11-06 14:23

      Sean you have only made it to the bronze age so nothing to boast about.

  • andre.kuhn.583 - 2012-11-06 13:07

    What is Zuma doing in Pondaland anyway. Devide at Impera! Be aware fellow Pondos!

  • lielie.smit - 2012-11-06 13:07

    Me tarzan, you Jane.... welcome to the middle ages in Africa. LOL

      kimard - 2012-11-06 17:30

      lmao lielie!!

  • victor.thadawg - 2012-11-06 13:13

    The ANC and Zuma have a lot to answer for. But this article is not newsworthy. The photogrpah does not even relate to the story. This sort of journalism adds weight to the ANC argument that the media is not impartial.

  • muzy.ntuli - 2012-11-06 13:14

    It summer now you cant conferm the weather which changies in a minute,than how can you probably relate and conferm with ritual matter.

  • steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-11-06 13:16

    The Spear of the nation in full military getup. He manages to piss off many of the citizens and now tackles the ancestors!

  • denis.delaport - 2012-11-06 13:17

    Damn, if the ancestors don’t approve of you then why should we???????

  • hasani.malungana - 2012-11-06 13:18

    Our president shoud reshuffle his stylists after Mangaung.We are living in the 21st Century, and as a head of the country he must not align himself with a particular enthnic group, such his.We all know he is a Zulu, but he is the head of the state.Appearing in public with such a half naked body does not befit the office which he occupies.He must just suspend his Zulu thing until the end of his terms, of which , thanks to the ANC, he is guaranteed.

  • Gerhard - 2012-11-06 13:20

    We are currently in the year AD 2012...and SA is about to elect a president from these specimen pool. God have mercy

  • scott.gilchrist.1291 - 2012-11-06 13:26

    i guess Zuma also likes to celebrate Halloween.

  • kimard - 2012-11-06 13:32

    omg! and double head - like lucifer :)

  • BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-11-06 13:33

    Perhaps one day soon we can move on to the 21st Century?

  • thifulufhelwi.masala - 2012-11-06 13:34

    I thought this site was full of people who understand south african constitution. Bt I think I am wrong, what hapen to the right to worship? Instead of trying to find solution to the main pblem wich is our goverment you buisy fyting about wich religion is superior. Look at the middle east, just because people dnt want to accept ada people culture and religion they are fighting evryday. Look at amerika were every1 have a right to worship, it is peacefull and prosperous. Wen will we learn?

      vlammie.pilot - 2012-11-06 13:56

      Your spelling is attrocious! Did you get educated in SA recently?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-06 14:16

      You are allowed to believe whatever you want Thifu. That doesn't mean anyone else has to believe what you do... No religion is superior, all religion should die.

      thifulufhelwi.masala - 2012-11-06 14:18

      You are so stupid that you even bring up the education here this is not english gramma paper I don't have time to chek for speling if you have pblem with that then don't read. By the way I have enough education to take me werever I want and still studying more u idiot.

      kimard - 2012-11-06 15:00

      what constitution heh? the one you named constitution but change it every now and then so it can fit the criminals?