Zuma on Dalai Lama visa: How do i know?

2011-10-03 12:50

Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma on Monday said he did not know whether the Dalai Lama's South African visa would be approved.

“The department of international relations and co-operation is dealing with it. I don’t know what will be the final thing. I don’t think that you can get a definite answer from me,” said Zuma.

He was speaking during a business breakfast in Sandton on Monday morning organised by the New Age newspaper and SABC.

The session was organised to give the president the opportunity to update the country about the progress that Zuma's administration had made since the State of the Nation address, at the start of the year.

The City Press reported the Tibetan spiritual leader would be told on Monday, and he was unlikely to be granted a visa, in order not to displease relations with China according to an unnamed source in the department.

The Dalai Lama was invited to attend Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu's 80th birthday celebrations, to be held this coming weekend.

He had previously applied for a visa two years ago, but was refused one.

Zuma said it was unfair for people to ask him whether the Dalai Lama would be granted a visa or not.

“I don’t know whether I should answer this question because there are departments that are dealing with. How do I know?”

  • Matt :-) - 2011-10-03 12:56

    "Zuma clueless on Dalai Lama visa" They should have just limited the headline to the first two words. Actually the whole article could be kept to those first two words...

      ChrisG - 2011-10-03 13:08

      I've heard rumours that after he's finished being president he's going to be hosting "The Pickup Artist SA".

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-03 13:23

      @ ChrisG - no, they'll make a new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle movie in SA and JZ will star as the turtles. If they need thousands of extras for the movie, they can just hire his offspring

      York Hunt - 2011-10-03 13:23

      Ah Matt, I was just going to say the very same thing...

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-10-03 14:01

      MATT... Agreed..... CLUELESS ZUMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a JOKE!

      mo-man - 2011-10-03 14:23

      Zuma = clueless!!! And the truth shall set you free.

      GetitRight - 2011-10-03 14:47


      AntonioP - 2011-10-03 15:23

      Spade, we call a spade a spade!

      AntonioP - 2011-10-03 18:54

      This poor oke called "Spade" objected to the headline. I punned on his (stupid) name. (see above) Now 2 things happened: 1) Spade deleted his own whining 2) The headline was changed. But does this mean that JZ all at once HAS a clue? Bwaahhaaaawaaaa! ROFLMHO

      Sedick - 2011-10-03 21:25

      As usual, Zuma was applying his mind - and that normally take a while. This time, he realised that there was no mind to apply......therefore he is clueless!!!

  • Ripley - 2011-10-03 12:57

    Does the honourable president actually have a clue about anything ? Lame duck government sums it up ..... when you can't think of an excuse, pass the buck.

      fussed - 2011-10-03 14:09

      Ripley, Please refrain from the word "honourable" JZ is NOT

  • WarDog - 2011-10-03 12:57

    The "final thing" ... yes Zuma, what do you know?

  • d2eguy - 2011-10-03 12:58

    Zuma is always clueless , so whats new ?

  • Waheed - 2011-10-03 12:59

    Zuma is clueless in general. I'm impressed that he's even aware of the visa application in the first place.

  • Big Al - 2011-10-03 13:01

    I know, and I am not President. Of course he won't be granted a visa. This Government is too cowardly to give him one.

      Aleg - 2011-10-03 17:04

      SA doesn't want a non-criminal man of peace in this country, but would rather be, & has been a haven of sanctuary for people like Vito Palozzolo & his friends Giovanni Bonomo & Guiseppe Gelardi ( - to quote from this article "The estate (of Palozzolo) was raided by members of the SA organised crime unit on June 6, 1996, but Bonomo & Gelardi were not found, although investigators found evidence that whoever had been staying there had left in a hurry" - forewarned?); Lior Saat, Jurgen Harksen, Radovan Krejcir, General Faustin Kayumba, Michael Schrieber, Darren Finch, Teodoro Mangue, Steve Wooding, Nozi Mwamba, Erwin Heldmann, Ludwig Holger Pfahls, - the list would also include members of the chinese mafia/triads, etc. The Dalai Lama, unlike those mentioned above, doesn't have our government members in his pocket, & will therefore not be able to dictate to them how to facilitate/bend the law to whatever his self-interested demands call for, nor will he be surreptitiously lining any of the members' pockets - which is why our government will NOT welcome this anathema personified of their own moral standards. Rather let the Chinese dictate whilst they strip our coast of abalone, kill off all our rhino, decimate our manufacturing industry, etc. Added to that, China's looking for land for her surplus population of 1 billion. (

  • daaivark - 2011-10-03 13:03

    " I don’t think that you can get a definite answer from me" - Wow Jacob. Truth for once! One NEVER gets a definite answer from you about anything.

  • Don_Tx - 2011-10-03 13:06

    Mr President, what is it that you know exactly? ACCOUNTABILITY...

  • vtowntekkie - 2011-10-03 13:06

    He is clueless-fullstop!!

  • IC1 - 2011-10-03 13:14

    Too easy to comment on this LOL, he's clueless on just about anything and everything except for procreation, and tenderpreneurship, at those he is a postmaster.

      IC1 - 2011-10-03 13:24

      Make that pAstmaster LOL, but postmaster is not too far out of his reach either

  • Pekkie - 2011-10-03 13:15

    Zuma clueless wow thats the most accurate reporting i have ever seen on news24 lol

      Fision - 2011-10-03 13:42

      @Komasa : Must really suck to elect your most charismatic leader and then have them prove themselves to be completely useless...

      Fision - 2011-10-03 14:04

      @Komasa : I was really hoping that you'd come up with something a little better than that. But is seems you're as disappointing as your president. What a shame...

      Pekkie - 2011-10-03 14:06

      Komasa, My nickname is Pekkie, All my friends as kids were black kids (Zulu) as we grew up in a rural area, They were the best friends ever, I played with wire cars, made farm animals from clay etc, They taught me the meaning of pride, I wouldn't change it for the world, 3 of them still come to CT every 2 years to visit us, You are nothing, will amount to nothing, why? you dont have the ability to earn it! You say stupid things as your brain is corrupt, As a white Zulu i will deal with you in a African way but my guess is you would never meet me for a stand down, why? coz you are a coward, Pogo sticks??? or are you going to sit behind your pc and try let everyone think you are white? Hamba cockroach, Lets hope someday our paths cross so i can educate you in the art of the PROUD Zulu nation, Dont blame the world coz you cant fit in! Rather go sit in a corner a cut your wrists, you are no good to nothing on this planet! So how does it feel to be white while trying to be black? Get a life moron!

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-03 14:14

      @ Komasa - "'Suck' is something you do with your father" Wow do you live in Brakpan?

      Pekkie - 2011-10-03 15:24

      Oh so now Komasa moer deletes his posts, YOU ARE A COWARD!

  • Potifar - 2011-10-03 13:17

    Does Our president know what is going on in his country?

  • Davearch - 2011-10-03 13:26

    Reduce his salary and bet he will have an answer !! How pathetic, this clown gets R2.4 Million yearly and he is clueless

  • GypseyAnn - 2011-10-03 13:40

    Oh come on! But then again, I am surprised he knows anything about what is happening in our country. He is never here and always seems to be interfering elsewhere in the world! He is also under the misconception that Julius has been reprimanded - last I heard that is an ongoing saga ...

  • Haemish - 2011-10-03 13:46

    I am quite dissapointed in the approach to this article. The president has said (perhaps not as eloquently as he could) that he doesn't know the status of the visa and that it is being handled by someone else. The tactic of sensationalising this by saying "Zuma clueless on visa" seems tacky and cheap. I completely agree with the sentiment that the Dalai Lama should be granted a visa immediately but lets not fall into the pit of hurling sensationalist headlines to get readers. This is supposed to be objective news coverage.

      Jo - 2011-10-03 13:52

      If the Dalai Lama visa issue is tied to SA bowing to Chinese pressure, then that attitude impacts very heavily on business. If the President is unable to address this visa question, then anything else said in a business breakfast loses some of it's impact and authority. Considering the importance of the visa decision, one would imagine that the President would be checking up on it with the relevant dept every day.

      Tolerant - 2011-10-03 14:08

      Zuma is a chinese puppet, sad but true.

      Jo - 2011-10-03 14:10

      I don't say that the President is anyone's puppet, Tolerant - only that this visa decision will be very telling, either way.

  • Thingamebob - 2011-10-03 14:00

    The question is, has he asked malema yet? Zuma is one shower short of a bath!

  • Vic - 2011-10-03 14:05

    "Zuma clueless on Dalai Lama visa" No surprise there.

  • letsee - 2011-10-03 14:06

    Zuma has selective knowledge.

  • abg100 - 2011-10-03 14:09

    Zuma is clueless period!This morning he couldnt answer any questions decisively-for someone who is the president of a country he is either not interested,out of the loop or just plain stupid! He is clueless and embaressing!!!!!

      Ulindi - 2011-10-03 16:07

      Fully agree - would love to see a live/open/public debate (with no que cards or voices planted in their ears) between JZ and godZille on SA public matters...will most probably cringe of embarresment at our current "leader" (gmfff.)

  • - 2011-10-03 14:17

    You mean JZ is not going to "apply his mind" to this important issue - a distinguished man's 80th birthday and a person of the Dalai Lama's stature may never to seen together in our fair land - how fair is that! So much for freedom of assosiation etc etc....Grant the man a visa and to hell with China. Even Zambia is telling them to toe the line now.. Take that!!!

  • mo-man - 2011-10-03 14:21

    Zuma clueless!!! And the truth will set you free.

  • vicnesh padayachey - 2011-10-03 14:25

    zuma at another event hosted by the gupta brothers smells like corruption again Zuma CLUELESS i think not, he knows where his bread is buttered

  • Nonbeliever - 2011-10-03 14:31

    Headline should read Zuma Clueless.

      Pete OJ - 2011-10-03 15:49

      Only applies if it is news; which it is not, as most people with a bit of savvy already knows!

  • Ingie - 2011-10-03 14:36

    WELL last week it stated that Zuma would not grant a VISA because of the close ties with China.... Now he is saying he has no idea/why or its not fair that people are asking him...well Hellooooooo think you are the President and you should have the final say. Maybe you were sleeping Mr Zuma when this was being discussed...sis on you

  • JR - 2011-10-03 14:42

    Mr Clueless Zuma and he is not even legally blonde. The guy is ajoke. He knows damn well that the ANC government is blocking the visa. It does not take this long to approve a visa even with our incompetent Home Affairs. Just come out and admit that China has put the squeeze on you not to allow the visa. After all you only a clueless pupet of business people here and aborad.

  • siaramfa - 2011-10-03 15:20

    Unfortunately our President has always been clueless when it comes to issues that matter, so the fact that he is apparently clueless now should come as no surprise--perhaps better described as spineless!

  • BoneCollectR - 2011-10-03 15:23

    Why "invite" the poor guys them put him through so much public humiliation? Show some respect for the spiritual leader and, yes, f&^# nosy Beijing!

  • AntonioP - 2011-10-03 15:29

    Pah, REAL news would be: "Zuma Has Clue About Something"

  • AntonioP - 2011-10-03 15:37

    'Come to think of it, JZ is a lot of "less". (Clueless, spineless, gutless, brainless, education-less, scruple-less, direction-less, father-less (bastard), often motherless (but not as bad as Mbeki), principle-less -the list is end-less.

  • Pete OJ - 2011-10-03 15:46

    You had me at "Zuma clueless"

  • mac-sdi - 2011-10-03 16:27

    Bull**** Mr President. What a douche..!

  • AntonioP - 2011-10-03 18:42


  • Kyle O - 2011-10-04 00:36

    Just a quick comment. As you'll see with a bit of research, Australia enjoys much economic relation with China.–_People's_Republic_of_China_ The Dalai Lama visited Australia this June.

      AntonioP - 2011-10-04 09:16

      But the Aussies are not spineless, clueless non-entities. They WON'T be told what to do by the Chinese, in their own country

  • Brian - 2011-10-05 08:43

    Now really come on Whos clueless ? If you have your facts and have knowledge of things , there is a reason why he said that . reason being our relations with China . So before you start saying hes go do abit of research .

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