Zuma concludes Marikana visit

2012-08-18 10:30

Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma has concluded his visit to Marikana near Rustenburg where more than 30 people were tragically killed, the presidency said on Friday.

The president received a briefing from the police and later from injured workers at the Andrew Saffy Hospital, said spokesperson Mac Maharaj.

"I am convinced that the commission of inquiry will uncover the truth and facts will emerge. We have asked relevant government departments, including especially the provincial government, to provide every possible assistance to the families during this painful and difficult period," Zuma said.

"The loss of life in this manner is unacceptable and we have to ensure that this never happens again."

Zuma added: "We know that many families are still desperately looking for their loved ones. Therefore government stands ready to assist."

The president was accompanied by State Security Minister Siyabonga Cwele, Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa, Mineral Resources Minister Susan Shabangu, North West Premier Thandi Modise and national police commissioner Ria Phiyega.

  • mario.polanski.3 - 2012-08-18 10:36

    The mine workers need to realise that if you recklessly play with fire, you are going to get burnt, and it will not help to try and put the blame on everyone else but yourself. Quite cynical that sixty years later, Sharpeville is re enacted all over again, but this time by the liberators of the oppressed. Is a Hector Peterson like memorial symbolizing the terrible suffering of the countries oppressed already in the planning stage?

      dexter.morganson - 2012-08-18 11:40

      Christof, that is exactly why the DA was one of the first to come out with a blame at the police... If anything they knew well enough that they HAVE to go the opposite of what actually happened in an attempt to gain more favor from the voting masses of imbeciles. In my opinion the police did absolutely nothing wrong. As for the "poor suffering people", they always did that, I doubt it'll change now. They can shoot a guy on TV for everyone to see and still turn around and make puppy eyes to melt the hearts of the emotional driven idiots that man the top positions. No logic or reason.

      roger.hess.14 - 2012-08-18 13:46

      I’m now at a ISP with speed good enough to watch the video footage on the news & I’m sure there was far more to this than just this. The crowd was armed and from the news/photos leading up to this event they made thier intentions clear. I didn't see a formation of fully shielded policemen along the armored vehicles equipped with water cannons and tear gas launchers, this may have occurred earlier and have been dispersed by in-coming gun fire. I did see a loose V-formation of policemen who were charged by an armed gang that flanked the armored vehicles (??) and the intent was clearly not peaceful. Many of the police had assault rifles (no shotguns?) and selected the full-automatic mode from a standing, unsupported position; which is the most inaccurate of your choices with this weapon. Could have the police been better trained and equipped to handle this? Yes. Would that have reduced the amount of people killed given this situation? No. If they were better trained and equipped, there would have probably been more people killed. Don’t blame the police who were on the ground; they did what they could with what they had. For those of you who say different, you’ve obviously never faced an armed crowd that is very intent on hurting/killing you.

  • anthonycharles.williams - 2012-08-18 10:36

    Where are your union buddies now...

      Lyndatjie - 2012-08-18 11:05

      You know Anthony - I strongly feel that the unions should immediately be investigated - and if they are found guilty of inciting violence - then their top executive and ALL their shop stewards at the site should face CRIMINAL action. They are not blameless in this and their constant jostling for position and power in the mining communities should now be handled in the courts!

      anthonycharles.williams - 2012-08-18 11:16

      @Lyndatjie, agree... they have for so long deceived there own members, it,s mind blowing, and there members pay monthly for it. What can one say?

  • Lyndatjie - 2012-08-18 10:40

    I'm sorry but you don't take knobkieries, pangas, knives and guns to a "peaceful" protest. You play with fire - you get burnt. As much as what I mourn the loss of lives and worry about the families left behind, we need to remember that as part of the human race we need to take responsibility for our own actions and stop blaming conequenes of our own actions on other people....

      shane.jacoby.3 - 2012-08-18 10:53

      Lyndatjie, I agree with you on consequences... and although I do sympathise with the families for their emotional grief, I cannot completely bring myself to support the probability that the tax money of our law- abiding citizens will be employed to afford the families and dependents financial support. Many dependents out there have honest, hard working breadwinners slaving away to support them, and we don't see much in the line of state funding and assistance to help their loved ones. Where are the bursaries and incentives? Now a bunch of hardened criminals take up weapons against the police in an effort to force their demands, and we will end up paying bursaries and grants to support their families.... who have been deprived only by the lawlessness and savagery of their providers....

      Lyndatjie - 2012-08-18 11:00

      But would you then say that the sins of the fathers should be visited on the families? If a "criminal" gets a bursary - then you will see me shouting from the roof tops. But if the unfortunate child and helpless wife of a lawless striker with no regard for life is impacted, then our hearts and pockets should try and help. I know that I'm often ruled by emotions and not by logical thought so I will always worry about their families trying to find a way now to survive this terrible tragedy. They did not ask for this, they did not take up arms, they just need to find a way to go forward.

      shane.jacoby.3 - 2012-08-18 11:09

      In my opinion, it is time we start looking at what behaviour we wish to encourage...the simple principle of cause and effect. You do the right thing, and good things happen as a result... you do the wrong thing, and you and yours suffer.... If we can get this concept back into our daily thinking, it will have a massive impact on behaviour at all levels. Unfortunately we have allowed ourselves to become a "pity party" social support state, where we encourage people to be lazy, criminal, lawless and unproductive, because those behaviour patterns yield better benefits than honest hard work. If you are uneducated, you are better off in jail (or dead??) than what you are on the this country at the moment crime DOES pay!

      dexter.morganson - 2012-08-18 11:45

      Lynda...Who is to say that perhaps that is exactly what the protesters wanted in the first place? They went out and said they WILL get their raise even if they die doing it. If you know that you get paid out let's say 200K when you die and your family desperately needs the money...? Effectively then the protesters got what they wanted to some degree. The families of all those who died will be supported by you and me and the company will educate the small ones and the company will pay for the funerals and the company will...You see? You DO get instances where a person takes a drastic approach to a situation to ensure the "positive" financial outcome. A guy that just lost his job, he has a million rand life insurance and a family to support. No prospects of finding a new job, that'll be the guy that drives head on into a truck on the highway. Or for the mines...The man that jumps down the shaft.

  • kim.buren - 2012-08-18 10:45

    Oh !! shower head, you sending a great message to the hooligans. Typical ANC mentality

  • sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-08-18 10:46

    "I am convinced that the commission of inquiry will uncover the truth and facts will emerge." Everybody knows nothing will come of it, but hell, it sure does sound impressive!!

  • larry.piggott1 - 2012-08-18 10:46

    JZ getting out of Town before Juju arrives? Apart from a lot of hot air, how much good will either of them do?

  • lj.roos - 2012-08-18 10:48

    Horrible turn of events, stuff like this shouldn't be happening in SA anymore, its just bad voodoo.

  • vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-08-18 10:52

    Glad that JZ has enjoyed his photo opportunity to portray himself as the caring president. Can't understand why he did not visit last week when the first 10 lives were taken. Maybe he could have calmed the masses down before the police went beserk. Still waiting for a something from the ever-flapping lips of Vavi. Obviously Cosatu will distance itself from this incident. 'What! Us Cosatu urging workers to down tools and intimidate employers in numbers? Never!'

      dee.980 - 2012-08-18 13:40

      I cannot help but think of the ignored repeated requests to Zuma to 'rein in' and condemn the calls for making W.Cape ungovernable - and hope that this truly terrible bloodbath gives ANCYL pause to stop and THINK before inciting violence.

  • AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-08-18 10:55

    Time will show that the mine workers, the mine bosses and the unions should take responsibility for this tragedy. ITt should NEVER have got to this confrontation. But what will also come out, is that the SAPS will have to take responsibilty, for their part in this massacre. Good SAPS leadership was certainly not there, on this day !!! A dark and very sad day for South Africa !!!

      mario.polanski.3 - 2012-08-18 11:18

      The police are absolutely, completely and totally blameless on this one. Just watch the U Tune video on the whole police action. The dead fell almost at the police's feet. Give me the choice of 35 dead policeman or 35 dead militant malcontents, and my answer is a given. The police first used tear gas and rubber bullets, but had to flee for their lives back to the protection of the Kaspirs. If you watch the video closely, you will see the police only opened fire, once the bloodthirsty mob were about to overrun and hack to pieces with pangas, those trying to use the lesser force of rubber bullets. Watch also the police recovering the police firearms used against them, removed from the two policemen hacked viciously to death, who previously went to the mountain to try and reason with those who cannot reason themselves. The police behaved in the most exemplary manner, and must never ever have an ounce of blame pointed their way. Play with fire boy, and your body will burn up completely. Much same behaviour as in Sharpeville, when a blood crazed mob of thousands surrounded a police station manned by a few policeman, with the intent of beating them to a bloody pulp with knobkerries, pangas and axes. They were the police of the day, like it or not, and assigned to ensure law and order in the country.

  • henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-08-18 10:57

    Expect one ore two extra children in Marikana 9 months from now....

  • ian.flack2 - 2012-08-18 10:58

    From a previous post..... "Whilst a very sad event, maybe the Government will now get off their arses, accept that there is a problem, and deal with the lawlessness that has, and is continuing to invade all levels of our society"

  • nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-18 11:02

    You know, years ago we warned the ANC about crime, they laughed at us (in parliment, remember) & today they struggle to contain the rampant crime, we have been warning the ANC about their reckless rhetoric about nationalization, racism, lack of leadership, corruption, hate speech, union militancy, rediculous labour laws, violent strikes, Polokwane coup, idiotic demagogues line Malema ..... etc etc. & now they struggle to contain the results of this reckless politics, now they are scrambling to control this monster they have created, the ANC have sat around & fed this monster, this monster wants to take over the ANC & take the country for itself, beware SA beware!!! Maybe its time to listen to the warnings & stop feeding this monster.

      dave.willard.79 - 2012-08-18 11:15

      Unfortunately this monster won't stop untill it ate everything in its path. Untill there's no more to eat - then it will turn to the \developed countries\ for food and water - medical supplies and shelter. Africa wrote its history many a years before now. So sad.

  • justin.nuthaguy - 2012-08-18 11:06

    There is more to this than simply blaming the police, the unions or the mine workers. An armed police force was put into the a highly charged field where conflict was almost sure to happen, and given the nod by a president appointed business women who became a "general" overnight. Ria Phiyega may have an exemplary record given her past actions, but she has no experience in armed conflict or strategy. This further enforces why such high positions should be occupied by leaders with real field experience, who have distinguished themselves by good leadership and tactical thinking. Once again the president did not apply his mind to a critical appointment, and now blood has been spilled. While not completely blameless, I don't just blame the miners or the police or Lonman management. I lay the blame squarely on Zuma's shoulders for failing to appoint an experienced and exemplary leader from the ranks of the police themselves. A leader with tactical experience from years of police service would have had a better idea what or expect, or how to diffuse it with minimal loss of life - if any.

  • brendon.nel.7 - 2012-08-18 11:10

    Why do they make zuma look like a fat toad in all his photographs. Lol shame man.

      kim.buren - 2012-08-18 11:16

      The camera never lies

      charmaine.hoffmann.1 - 2012-08-18 11:25

      Because he is one?

      anthonycharles.williams - 2012-08-18 11:50

      but his eyes are allways in a different directions like his brain...

  • - 2012-08-18 11:18

    I have observed that it took the police a lot of manpower and equipment to subdue a handful of assegai wielding miners perched on a hill ('demon-strating' about mining pay). Whenever issues of land reform and national healing are discussed, we have here people who vehemently say they will not embrace reform and that they will defend 'their farms' with their lives etc. There are some who even recklessly argue that they want a war. The truth is that the police will not be able to protect anyone in a white on black conflict or vice versa. They failed to control a few miners gathered on a hill. My advice: Let's not wait for the land issue to reach the Marikana temperature. Let's not leave it to simmer, let's not believe we are not part of the problem. War is written in blood.

  • greypatriot - 2012-08-18 11:40

    We must realize that what had happened is part of an evolving crisis. The economic freedom chant is growing in its effect. We will need to look into our industrial relations practices, our compensation structures, working conditions, the areas and houses in which the workers live and the schools we provide their families. The more people die when they protest, the stronger the case for a rebellion and ultimately revolution will become. We must get to the roots of this and put remedies in place that will prevent further violent civil action.

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-08-18 12:05

    a 10 minute speech read from what someone had written for him, hardly convincing.

      Erna - 2012-08-18 13:06

      Even at this time he couldn't speak off the cuff and with any sincerety. He apparently didn't even look up!

  • johnwilliam.roberts - 2012-08-18 12:09

    thgen why dont you help the families of murdered farmers ????? oh yes sorry i forgot they are white !!! can you imagine the outcry from the world if it was white cops that did the shooting ? now maybe the swedish and norweigen lovers will see thes people are what they are !

  • delano.els - 2012-08-18 12:15

    Hi would hardly call this tragic! Stuff them. What should the police have done in a case like this??? People storming at you with weapons. SAPS...RESPECT from me. Superior job guys. This kind of thing should happen more often. It's about this country realise what POLICE actually mean. You guys are the laughing stock of this country. The clowns if you wish...change this perception by continuing to do what you did recently. Again...RESPECT and hats off to you

      Wally Walters - 2012-08-18 12:25

      This government has got no clue what so ever how to handle this situation imagine it must be a full scale war how would they then handle it ... it is so scary

  • ruan.lacock - 2012-08-18 12:22

    .....and if i was the mine boss i would fire the whole lot- useless un- productive bastards....

      Fikile Magadla - 2012-08-18 13:09

      I guess if they were Unproductive he would have fired them a while ago He didnt fire them because they are cheap Bastards and he just pays them peanuts compared to the amount of money they make Him.u r so fortunate uve never had a father that worked in the mines left the family the whole year and earns a stupid 4000 a month.If u have nothing to say just shut up

  • langton.gudo - 2012-08-18 12:22

    Its really hard and painful to see a human being killed like a dog.34 lives its too much that's really unacceptable,hw dd tht happen and hop will the first and last.very sad

      iceman196 - 2012-08-18 13:03

      like a dog you say, some of us look after our pets better than the way you barbarians look after your kids

  • christi.pierre - 2012-08-18 12:36

    If somebody shoot at me with live ammo then i am going to shoot back if i had a gun for sure.Well somebody's head/heads are going to roll.

  • diana.gill.18 - 2012-08-18 12:44

    Interesting to see that no single news channel in the world (exept maybe for shown that the initial attack came from the police side i. e. they have opened the fire first which recalled a stormy reaction from the protesters. What is wrong with the democracy makers whose task is to show the truth? Are they ashamed of what they have done to SA in the past and now trying to avoid the acknowledgement they were wrong when helped ANC to get into power?

  • kenny.bianco.7 - 2012-08-18 12:45

    Sometimes it makes me wonder what exactly the Whites who are so negative really want? Dou you want apartheid back? This is loss of life not political mockery, it affects the whole nation not only ANC, stop being naive

  • mosesbongane.sibanda - 2012-08-18 12:54

    those who say well done for police for killing 34 people ,are evil ,those victim are human not animal ,it is rong to cerebrate the killing of our people .

      Fikile Magadla - 2012-08-18 13:03

      The people on strike were not going to leave the Police alive given the chance

      iceman196 - 2012-08-18 13:05

      i respect animals more than i respect humans so put that in your brain dead equation, if you can

  • zwelethu.sabasaba - 2012-08-18 13:08

    South Africa is a country that is full of people who are always trying to be humble or racist, when they should create justifable true believes about situations. Here, we should give our good opinions and have intelligent discussions that will create new knowledge that will allow us to live wise.\r\nI say Our President and police force are doing their out most best, while the protestors and unions are just doing their worst. What do you say?

  • esther.coetzee.50 - 2012-08-18 13:16

    This incident is like manna from heaven for the ANC and they will milk it to score political points as much as they can. I predict that lots of money will be paid out (taxpayers money) for funerals, houses for the families of the deceased,for children's schooling, food,etc etc

      diana.gill.18 - 2012-08-18 13:26

      and the difference between money contributed and paid goes guess where?

  • tony.vanniekerk.35 - 2012-08-18 13:29

    There is a systemic problem that the ANC is not dealing with. When their own youth league vows to make a province (Western Cape) ungovernable, they encourage lawlessness. Khyalitsha recently! It sends a signal to others that the way to solving your problems is with lawless behaviour. The ANC cannot choose which lawless behaviour they like and which they condemn. What you sow you will reap.

  • beki.khumalo - 2012-08-18 13:36

    It saddens me to read some of the comments on this platform! The racial hatred is just too much to stomuch. This platform gives one an insight into the discussions in people's living rooms. It's the types of houses that I would hate to be guest. And our kids rub shoulders daily with their kids in schools!!! SAD! It angers me actually! People, it's not necessary to leave a comment on any of the articles. Do you feel good about yourself when you have left a racially motivated comment???

  • Thanduxolo Galada - 2012-08-18 13:41

    Zuma official inquiry. What did you do about the report into Education Disaster??? Your words hold no weight sir. Please do the honorable thing and step aside at Mangaung, for the benefit of our beloved Republic of South Africa.

  • greg.rethman - 2012-08-18 15:48

    It seems the unions are happy with all the fracas between ANC and Malema, as usual they remain under the radar. Did I miss something? The unions stir and the political powers spin....

  • anthony.kay.965 - 2012-08-18 22:34

    The troops need some brains to deal with crowds. Ria phiyega is no police material, like the one who appointed her. Both posts need seasoned people with lots of skills. The loss of life was totally wrong. They must pay the people the wages they deserve, and whoever objects must resign. So many billions are stolen daily in this country are without punishment, but a few more rand to feed the workers, has brought the house down.What kind of brains are these?

      clement.mokone - 2012-08-19 10:23

      You are very right I second that. The killing of our people like this by the government we fought for is unacceptable more especially on a lame EXCUSE by the commissioner that they acted in self defence. This is unbelievable. I object to this stupid defence and I am very SURE this are the results of the shoot to kill tact introduced by the incompent fired ex commissioner Cele. Here the police were dealing with oppresed miners who were contesting for better wages. Why should our people die for what is right(better wages and improved working conditions). This is what the struggle was about. South Africa is very,in the continent, skilled in police control mechanisms and this was a deliberate move to slaughter our people for political reasons by the government,particularly to instill fear against those who desire presidential change. \r\n\r\nThe protests in the mines and elsewhere will never stop and unless the ANC leadership come with real solutions then they are going to slaughter many many of our poverty stricken people. Lack of jobs,school books dumpings and shortages,services deliveries at large are inevitably going to cause our people to revolt and bring about a SECOND national liberation. The ANC must really take these signs seriously. Yes we are loyal to it but the loyalty will soon fade off because our leaders eat alone and are killing us in return. Where is Kenneth Kaunda today? What happened to other national liberation movements in the continent? Where is Daniel Arap Moi,NKrumah etc. \r\n\r\nOur leaders must stop pleasing western countries at our peoples' expense.\r\nThe companies must pay our people and implement better control measures for protests to come.

      justin.nuthaguy - 2012-08-19 11:14

      @Clement, unfortunately therein lies the problem. until the people of SA wake up and realise that they should never be loyal to a prty, they will continue to face abuse. The ANC is NOT you, and YOU are not the ANC. YOU fought for freedom against apartheid, YOUR vote decides the future. Voter education requires that all of us have to vote not with our hearts, but with our minds. A government or party is like a product on a shop store shelf. If a product does not work as advertised, you MUST try another product until you get one that works as you want it to. Voting is exactly like that. The only way to get government co-operation is to keep them mindful of the fact that their power can be taken away by the ballot. When a party retains the voting majority as is the case with the ANC, you can be sure that they will get lazy, tardy and self-absorbed. The voters are the last thing on their mind when they have the cocky assurance that they will win the vote "until Jesus come". This may sound counter intuitive, but if you want to save the ANC from itself, you MUST vote against it.

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