Zuma irrational for firing me - Cele

2012-07-06 08:23

Johannesburg - Axed national police commissioner Bheki Cele wants the North Gauteng High Court to set aside his dismissal, The Times reported on Friday.

Cele filed papers in the court on Thursday calling for a review of the finding by the board of inquiry headed by Judge Jake Moloi.

In the papers, Cele described Moloi's report as biased and his public comments as "judicially unethical".

The retired Free State judge spoke on a radio show the day Cele was fired, The Times reported.

President Jacob Zuma is one of the six respondents.

The others are Moloi, his two board members, Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa and new national police commissioner Riah Phiyega.

Other measures

The papers allege that Zuma's firing of Cele was "irrational and arbitrary".

Cele accused the president of not having paid "any particular attention to the range of other measures it was open for him to take".

Zuma fired Cele in June following a recommendation by the board of inquiry, which Zuma had set up to probe allegations against Cele.

Moloi's inquiry and reports by Public Protector Thuli Madonsela found "administrative deficiencies" in Cele's conduct as the police's accounting officer.

The Moloi-led inquiry was mandated to establish whether Cele had acted corruptly, dishonestly, or with an undeclared conflict of interest in relation to two police lease deals signed with controversial property mogul Roux Shabangu - one for a building in Pretoria, another for a building in Durban.

Last year, Madonsela found that Cele's involvement in deals to acquire new police headquarters was "improper, unlawful, and amounted to maladministration".

  • mkoekemo - 2012-07-06 08:28

    So what happened to "I will leave peacefully if the president asks me too"?

      Rob.Trianglem - 2012-07-06 08:35

      Maybe he is 1 of the few that want to work and not sit at home with full pay for years on end.

      glenn.chi.9 - 2012-07-06 08:44

      They never do. Remember the guy who said "I will kill for Zuma"! Just shows how these cadre deployment people are only in it for themselves. Cele's acttions were so blatently self-enriching that he should have resigned, instead of being fired, like any self-respecting person would.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-07-06 08:52

      I think he was hoping for a “promotion” to an ambassadorial post or something similar.

      FirstSeed - 2012-07-06 08:58

      Easier said than done

      Michaele - 2012-07-06 09:00

      Cele vs Malema what is the difference. None in my opinion, both self centered idiots.

      clementine.mbewe - 2012-07-06 09:05

      Maybe it's coz the president didnt ask, but demanded??? it's the small things that matter

      martin.britchford.5 - 2012-07-06 09:15

      The problem mdluli and cele is the fact that they are trying waaaaaaaaay to hard to get into a position of such power, their faults mean nil to me, but the fact that they want this so bad, and make such a fuss is what bothers me, there is something they have their eye on, both already have bucks, so what is it that they want so desparately?

      kindness.sweet - 2012-07-06 09:41

      The president didnt ask him to leave; he instead fired him. All hell is breaking lose now. Very good for our politics, Zuma must be fired. Can he be fired? by who? nope, he must step down, or must be recalled. look at the text book saga in limpopo, he is a friend with a guy that own the company. can you be corrupt like this???

  • Phillip du Plessis - 2012-07-06 08:30

    How about just take your stuff and go.....

  • gieljam.gomtor - 2012-07-06 08:32

    Pot calling the kettle black?

  • bennie.kruger.5 - 2012-07-06 08:34

    I was not late for the bus, but the bus drove away from me - mentality. Apparently certain people are never wrong?

  • joemols - 2012-07-06 08:42

    Just sign for the other team Cele and stop moaning,as soon as that team wins,you will get your position:)

  • Erna - 2012-07-06 08:47

    So much for going quietly. These anc cadres just don't know zip about accountability and accepting when a relationship is over.

  • chadjason.wilson - 2012-07-06 08:52

    Zuma irrational for hiring me.... that sounds better

  • tom.vorster - 2012-07-06 08:52

    Irrational??? This from a policeman (albeit a suspended one) who publically showed his support for people on trial from corruption, murder, etc. - Now he wants his job back

  • Tebogo Matlatle - 2012-07-06 08:53

    join the next ruling party....get ur old job back n cum n shoot to kill this criminals......crime is out of hand since ur depature

  • gary.williams.7186896 - 2012-07-06 08:56

    Stomach out chest in...not yahaaauuuwww!!!!!!!! Go away you crap useless never had training loud mothed idiot!

  • andre.marx - 2012-07-06 09:02

    Cry Baby

  • sjhuman1 - 2012-07-06 09:13

    What do these guys in office smoke? Fit for a ANC position? Corruption is corruption, cant put a crook in charge of the bank, now CELE, you're the one that's IRRATIONAL!

  • daniel.motlhatlhedi - 2012-07-06 09:19

    Bheki Cele anc gave u that job and anc come and take again from you. You didn't apply for it. Maybe its time anc take its membership card away 4rm u. How abt that corrupt comrade

  • julie.vanniekerk.3 - 2012-07-06 09:25

    There was by far much less crime when Cele was in charge!

      mnathisto - 2012-07-06 10:26

      thts correct Jullie...u, whu r sayng julie is smoking smthng, u r the one who is high on whoonga...dd nt u see the guy ws so commited in fightng crime?

  • robin.stobbs.9 - 2012-07-06 09:29

    Cele, you don't deserve to serve in any public office - not even as tea boy!

  • lownabester - 2012-07-06 09:29

    Zuma was irrational and mad the day he appointed you, Cele!!!!!!He should be losing his job too.

  • Zama - 2012-07-06 09:29

    Sorry General exed Cele only the Preside who is above this South African rural law, ask Malema.

  • Ingrid - 2012-07-06 09:30

    Julie what are you smoking,we have more chance of getting brutally murdered before getting injured in a motor accident study the true stats, how can he now afford his new young wife and lavish life style. Whe he got married there was competition on who came with most expensive car. Of course he wants an Ambassadorship so he can carry on living it up. He is an old man who thinks he is young.

  • Zama - 2012-07-06 09:31

    Sorry General x-d Cele only the Preside who is above this South African rural law, ask Malema.

  • tommyunitedstates2 - 2012-07-06 09:40

    Well we are well aware that South Africa is still a young growing democratic state, stumbling forward with its leaders having yet there own lessons with in and out side the frame of not only the countries constitution but also that of the parties they belong too. One thing I as an individual wonders is weather Cele’s portfolio was a political one? If Cele was not a political appointee then President Zuma is certainly wrong for axing Cele as a part of the government administration. Though Administrators have their voting rights as per constitution they are not political appointee to the portfolios they hold and carry most get to those portfolios through hard work , study and education let alone experience in which aspect party involvement or axing of personnel can be destructive in the sense that we will certainly not only encounter under qualified personnel in sensitive positions but surfer the consequences of having such personnel’s in the administrative structure, ie Miss management and allocation of government funds, abuse of portfolio, miss management of administrative structures, nepotism to mention but a few.

      dee.hunt.980 - 2012-07-06 15:31

      The truth is Zuma does not fire anyone. Public opinion, civil bodies, Public Protectors office, opposition parties and media have to reach SCREAMING point - and only then does Zuma reluctantly shuffle onto the stage - only because he then stands to lose more than gain by the cronyism. NOT because of any will for good governance.

  • markus.botha - 2012-07-06 09:52

    This kind of stupidity is not worthy of presidency.

  • vexatious.commect - 2012-07-06 09:53

    Vexatious and irrational litigation. Why clog up the courts? To keep cadre deployed advocates/lawyers employed at cost to the state (us)?

  • msaka.lekhosi - 2012-07-06 10:10

    Cele, Cele weee! Stop wasting court's time. You failed to answer s0 many questions. Just accept that you're unemployed tuu!

  • badballie - 2012-07-06 10:11

    I don't see a problem here, issue the criminal with the necessary uniform for him to take a post as a constable, maybe he can work his way back up the ladder with a little education.

  • wandile.ncobela.3 - 2012-07-06 10:20

    Most but not all white South Africans that are making their views here the way I perceived it, they are racist. In as much as i hate to use word racist, bt most not all your comments shows u have problems wt evrything abt Black south african. If u noticed most people who comeents on news 24 are whites. 1 of 10 will tell positive comments. Yesterday I read an article about the killing of the farmers. The president said that it is not racial motivated but a crime as all other crimes in the country. The news 24 decided to close comments on that cos they attacked the president for saying that. Now the Cele saga, again they bring political party, they classified ANC vs DA, so according to my observation, they mean ANC is for blacks and DA os for whites, this send wrong message to the youth, black child and white childs, we teaching them division we once had before. tell me what kid of a parents who still feed a child racism. U can do tht, bt believe u in me, once they grown they will seek for the best possible solution of running this country peacefully. Cele was once in favour of whites when he dealt with crime, and during his tenure d crime drop, cos they ewre shot to death. now he is gone the rate again is rising. Tell me who do u want, a white man or a black man? cos if he's black still start the racial issues. please let us teach each other how to overcome economic crisis, unity and live in harmony. thank and I knw i will still receive negative comments.

      Zama - 2012-07-06 11:46

      Do you feel them? Because you care for them. Do you see them? Because you look at them a lot. IF I was you, not to mind them. you make them feel important

      ako.gutshwa.7 - 2012-07-06 12:26

      Wandile what you are saying here is very much true, yes I agree most of our black leaders are not so competent but there are those who are good so we need to commend those who are doing well. To support what you are saying just yesterday I was reading an article about Hewitt whereby a Black lady is claiming that she was sexually abused by the man. The comments I've read here were not so sympathetic with the victim just because she is black but protecting Hewitt. Some of the comments were asking why she was so quiet about this all these years just imagine she was abused from the age of nine years old and she is not the only one and I am sure if the victim was white the comments wouldn't be the same. Yes you right they need to change their mind set

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-07-06 12:31

      All we want is someone to do the job well, and not be corrupt. Black or White - don't care. Is that too much to ask? And is it too hard to understand that after countless Black staff in almost every department have been caught being involved in some mischief or another, that we no longer trust Black officials? Sorry, but our reaction seems perfectly human to me.

      Mike Peach Purchase - 2012-07-06 23:06

      Its got nothing to do with colour but lots to do with respect and dignity and how you behave.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-07-06 11:37

    Zuma irrational for appointing me - others

  • Marco - 2012-07-06 12:30

    i dont know why ,but for some reason i like this old bastard. i reckon he could be pretty good fun to go on a party with

  • pierre.dupreez.58 - 2012-07-06 13:31

    I knew it... this guy is not South African, he's Egyptian, sailing on de nile...ever heard of the phrase A-C-O-U-N-T-A-B-L-E mr G-E-N-E-R-A-L??

  • Clive - 2012-07-06 14:34

    Go quietly for goodness sake, Bheki. Zuma's irrational act was to appoint you in the first place.

  • Zeezoh - 2012-07-06 15:18


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