Zuma wants court to clarify instructions

2012-10-26 22:39

Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma has asked the North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria to clarify what records regarding the so-called spy tapes should be released, his attorney said on Friday.

"I think for me, sight is lost of the fact of what the reduced record means," Michael Hulley told Sapa.

Following court action by the DA, the Supreme Court of Appeal ordered the NPA to produce a record of the "documents and materials" that informed the decision by then acting prosecutions chief Mokotedi Mpshe to drop charges of racketeering, corruption, fraud and money laundering against Zuma before the 2009 election.

Hulley said their notice was to set out what should be considered the reduced record of decision.

"One must focus on what's the record and what's the reduced record."

He said Zuma was seeking to block the release of part of the record based on confidentiality, which he was allowed to do under the SCA order.

Democratic Alliance federal executive chairman James Selfe said the party viewed the notice with "great consternation.

"What this notice seems to imply is that President Zuma will now dispute the meaning of what the Supreme Court of Appeal ordered the NPA to produce."

He accused Zuma of attempting to delay releasing the transcript of the tapes until after the ANC's national elective conference in Mangaung in December.

Hulley defended Zuma's move and accused the DA of artificially generating controversy over the SCA decision.

"The brouhaha that keeps undermining what the court has already ruled on is of no benefit to us or anyone else," he said.

The National Prosecuting Authority has said while the SCA had ordered it to furnish the reduced record to the DA, this was contingent on Zuma's lawyers not objecting on the grounds of confidentiality.

Zuma's lawyers did object, so the NPA could not hand over the record.

The tapes supposedly contain conversations that alluded to impropriety in the course of the investigation into corruption charges against Zuma in the arms deal case.

The conversations were given as the reason why the case against Zuma was tainted, resulting in charges against him and arms company Thint being dropped.

  • jy.wilmos - 2012-10-27 00:27

    Hulley reveals once and for all that he has no moral scruples of any kind. In a sane world he would go to jail alongside his client. Scumbag lawyers of his ilk are as much of a virus eating at the heart of society as government corruption is.

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-27 07:11

      @jy. A Hulleylujah to that !!

  • hein.huyser - 2012-10-27 00:39

    What needs clarification? If the tapes exist, we need all of it The whole truth and nothing else will do

  • lacrimose.wolf - 2012-10-27 02:02

    Hell no! If you cannot understand instructions, laws, processes or procedures then why should anyone else. You're the President not a god, chief or any deity. You are a person hired to do a job. When you took that job you, and your entire entourage, swore to uphold *all* the laws of the country and the Constitution. Man-up

  • vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-10-27 02:16

    Here is the bottom line: an innocent man who has nothing to hide would have made these tapes public a long time ago. Knowing what the speculation and insinuations are doing to his credibility and his character, he would have come clean to prove his innocence beyond all doubt. Conversely, a guilty man would look for every loophole and escape clause to avoid being caught out. Jacob Zuma is bringing shame to the office that he holds. It is a sacred position that a nation entrusts him with, and he returns our trust with scorn and ridicule. He is an embarrassment to our country and the country must do all in its power to squash him. We deserve better than a philandering, thieving criminal as our leader.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-10-27 02:33

      This is govt and haute politics. There is no bottom line, just a kinda wavey grey one that when you squint this way it's two cute little birds and when you squint the other.. Well it's still two birds but now they're vultures.

  • mapetsula - 2012-10-27 03:06

    Need clearification? Who must obey intructions of the court?

      maureen.churchill.9 - 2012-10-27 07:37

      I'll give clarity... hand the bloody tapes over to the DA

  • lynne.barker.7 - 2012-10-27 05:27

    This absolute FOOL cannot understand English. The people who vote him in are also fools - the trouble is they are the biggest fools of the lot by voting this ANC govt. in time and again when they are the biggest losers as a result of the incompetence of these buffoons. As long as they vote for them this country will decline

  • kooskanmar - 2012-10-27 05:41

    "What this notice seems to imply is that President Zuma will now dispute the meaning of what the Supreme Court of Appeal ordered the NPA to produce." - This must be the joke of the decade. A clear as mud attempt to cover their behinds. LOL !!!You can run Zoomer, but you can't hide.

  • Vince.York - 2012-10-27 06:00

    THEY ARE LYING! There were obviously no substantiating grounds for the zuma criminal and civil cases to be sidestepped, nor to allow him into the position which he now has that carries the "SWORN OATHS". Payback time will be so incredible! Mpshe now also needs to be arraigned, and Hulley locked up for good this time too it seems. The SCA is quite clear - HAND OVER THE TAPES! WE SOUTH AFRICA want to see and hear what went on! There is something in these tapes that has affected every single citizen in the most dire manner and it is our RIGHT to have this exposed and aired in the clear. Enough of all this secrecy and confidentiality nonsense. THERE IS SOMETHING CRIMINAL IN THIS CONFIDENTIALITY.

  • lazarus.masilela - 2012-10-27 06:44

    Zuma's life is a mess.How can one duck and dive like that?Sham.

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-27 07:30

      @ lazarus. He is walking with blinkers, he doesn't see or hear anything at the moment; Manguang is more important to him now than ALL the citizens of this country. Every bloke has at some stage while taking a pee, flushed half way through and then raced against the flush.

  • andrew.mackie.90 - 2012-10-27 06:58

    The mind bogles at what is happening in our country. In this instance the President of the country is disobeying the courts and the High Court at that. One must presume the President and his lawyer have a lot to hide and are following their own agenda so as to delay or deny justice. To the President I say many people in South Africa have always mistrusted you and always will unless you can prove your innocence in the part you played in the Arms deal.

  • robin.stobbs.9 - 2012-10-27 07:10

    What they mean is you come clean and hand over everything you incompetent crook. Your place is in jail where you can no longer steal from the taxpayer.

  • Tshishonga Emmanuel - 2012-10-27 07:18

    zulu read and understand DA is jst opposition party

  • frank.hartry - 2012-10-27 07:33

    There are no tapes in my opinion. It was all a gigantic scam to get Zuma off the hook and into the presidency within a month of the false existence of the tapes were revealed. Ask your selves;- 1 Why were the two alleged conspirators never charged for any crime by the NPA? After all it was their alleged actions that caused we dumb taxpayers to pay over R100 million to Zuma's legal team. 2.How come the two alleged conspirators as well as Mbeki, have never vigorously protested their innocence through the media etc? Instead they have kept quiet, Why? because they were paid off handsomely or threatened. Remember that IN ORDER TO SHUT THEM UP, Zuma's rape accuser and her mother were chased out of South Africa with bribes and threats by this thug party the ANC. In the case of Mbeki, he has kept quiet as requested by his beloved ANC.--- REMEMBER GOOD PEOPLE WE ARE DEALING WITH A PROVEN GANGSTER ORGANISATION WITH A LEADER WHO WILL DO ANYTHING TO STAY OUT OF JAIL.

  • louwv - 2012-10-27 08:01

    What a joke. I think the real world is just laughing at this clown.

  • Sipho Mbatha - 2012-10-27 08:02

    frank if you know nothing about the tape just shut up Mokotedi Mpshe played a clip of those tapes where McCarthy was talking to Bulelani Ngcuka about how the y could nail Zuma and at that time Ngcuka was no longer working for the NPA. so get your facts straight before commenting.

      frank.hartry - 2012-10-27 20:50

      Sipho. Mpshe did not play a clip of the tapes because he admitted that he never seen or heard them. At the press conference he merely related verbally what he claimed was on them. Thats different to playing them for the whole world to hear. Only Willie Hoffmeyr is alleged to have heard them and significantly he is saying nothing. I won't tell you to shut up because i recognise that you have a point of view. As do i, even though you do not believe so.

  • ro.jhb.1 - 2012-10-27 08:03

    Gives the tapes, all of them you spear!

  • mbulelo.somzana - 2012-10-27 08:08

    I wonder what Zuma is hiding.The man wants to remain SA president so that he does not face his corruption charges in court.

      gillian.wayman - 2013-02-07 07:44

      You are absolutely correct

  • parys.fotograaf - 2012-10-27 08:25

    Hulley, do not play us for idiots. Just hand over ALL the tapes and be over with it. You are acting unlawfully and the courts should simply arrest you and Zuma on contempt of court charges. Maybe some jail time will make you do the honest and morally correct thing.

  • Michael - 2012-10-27 08:41

    When will DA understand that Zuma has already defeated them, again they are trying, this is just a waste of donours funds, DA can not win againts Zuma, even the courts can not win, this man defeated T Mbeki and remove him from Office, what more do you want to see, Zuma was Head of Intelligence of MK for a long time, he knows how to fight his battles, and he win all of them.

      sipho.zipi - 2012-10-27 09:36

      why is crime so rampant in sa , because our law favours criminals .so yes zuma will win , not because he is clever , but because of the weakness of our law .

      morne.demeillon - 2012-10-27 09:37

      100% correct Sipho

      Michael - 2012-10-27 10:18

      Bra Sipho, Zuma's case was abandoned because of these so called tapes, dont you think charging him in the first place was politically motivated? How can we expect fair trial when those who are administering justice are behaving like this, dont you think is better if DA can just buid few RDP houses for the poor than to waste money on a man they are failing to bring down for years, i mean you cant keept doing the samething and expecting different result forever, thats being stupied!

      mnguni.ngubonde - 2012-10-27 16:22

      Birds of the same feather flocks together' u must be the same crook as Zuma'

      ANASKA - 2013-02-07 20:27

      WOW ZUMA HEAD OF INTELLIGENCE - never heard such crap and if that was true then the Intelligence of SA sucks more than ZUMA - i want to to puke !! An insult to any Intelligence Agency

  • yvonne.joseph.1612 - 2012-10-27 08:54

    Hulley is probably being paid a fat whack by Zuma that's why he bows down to the scumbags every whim. You're right - he should spend time in the slammer with his mate Zuma

      sipho.zipi - 2012-10-27 09:37

      he is just as corrupt as zuma.

  • juan.westhuizen.1 - 2012-10-27 09:02

    Surely there should be extra copies of these tapes.

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-10-27 09:15

    Zuma is stalling and looking for all sorts of reasons. He is still busy working on the justice system so that when eventually the tapes do appear he will have defeated the ends of justice. Zuma is busy setting up the justice system so that when the time comes, none of them, that is zuma and his thieving cadres wont see the inside of a prison. Thats why princess Mpisane is stalling, hoping zuma will hurry up, she does'nt want to go to jail.

  • keith.f.murphy - 2012-10-27 09:17

    I shall be deemed insane if I ever vote for that scumbag idiot zooma he is a useless prick .The Gods must be crazy to let the dogs out Eish !!!!#%&!?&$#

  • charmaine.mcdonald2 - 2012-10-27 09:26

    The only president in present history with so many court cases. No need to comment further as the comments below says it all.

  • makarapakaplan - 2012-10-27 09:37

    Funny he wants clarification now after the ruling. So you decide to defend a case you weren't sure what they were asking for in the first place, strange!!!

  • koloanea - 2012-10-27 09:52

    The ANC is again subjecting the whole of the nation to another 5 year term of justifying wrongdoing. Now we have to listen to arguments about what entails a court order. Is that not what we ought to have questioned long before when the order was given. It is clear that the lawyers were all along consulting and were given a clear directive to do apply every trick in the law to prevent this episode from closure. Oh my God, let this cup runneth over, we are tired.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-27 09:55

    First you ignore the court order, then you ask for clarification, next you will be doing away with the court all together. I can't understand self respecting lawyers playing along in this farce. Probably a case of at the end of the day we have earned a lot of money again paid by the suffering taxpayers of LaLa land, we don't care about.

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  • alaina.robbertse - 2012-10-27 10:40

    He is stalling for time.Zuma,if you are not guilty then you have nothing to worry about.Easy then.Just hand over the tapes.

      thulanit3 - 2012-10-27 11:25

      Hand over tapes?,,,the court wants 'a reduced record'. I hoped u were smart.

  • andy.mku.9 - 2012-10-27 10:54

    even malema is better bcoz he is attending his court cases unlike showerman hosepipe

  • thulanit3 - 2012-10-27 11:08

    The court ordered for a 'reduced record' to be released,,,now listen to these babblers comments,,,irritating,,,is mr hulley not allowed to demand a clarity,,,now talking abt mangaung and so on. We will vote for anc anytime we want to,,,its our democratic right,,,we dont need ur permission to do dat,,just shut ur big mouth and vote da.

      Vince.York - 2012-10-27 12:37

      Black TROLL3's too? Black piglets are already swarming around the South African skies and soon the entire spectrum of multi-colored pigs, boars and sows off any hillsides will be joining them too!!! Say goodbye to the December Flowers-Fountain (Bloemfontein) mangygonewrong conference because it's most likely going to be held in a dungeon. SET THE TAPES FREE Impeach zuma Indict zuma

  • Stephen Radebe - 2012-10-27 11:11

    the only president in present history with so many court cases. No need to comment further as the comment all ready said.

  • jonesriffler.mtokwana - 2012-10-27 11:35

    Gv president a date for him to send himself in to police station to face his charges of corruption cuz his guilty that's y he dnt want the tapes to cum to court

      kyle.chetty3 - 2012-10-27 13:19

      Next time you see a begging kid on the street think of zuma spending 20 million for his lawyer #do not vote anc

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