AS IT HAPPENED: Agrizzi says he was taught bribery by 'best skelms'

2019-03-28 10:04

The state capture commission of inquiry has adjourned until 09:30 on Friday.

[Live stream courtesy of SABC NEWS]

Angelo Agrizzi testifies at the state capture inqu

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28 Mar 16:45
The commission adjourns until Friday 09:30. 

28 Mar 16:35

28 Mar 16:30
"Gavin Watson knew about absolutely everything," claims Agrizzi. 

28 Mar 16:29
He says Watson would dictate to him which attorneys to use. These, he claims, where people who are "loyal" to the Watsons.  

28 Mar 16:26

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He says all these decisions were made by Gavin Watson, or an "appropriate executive". 

28 Mar 16:20
Agrizzi, however, agrees participated "knowingly" in many actions of bribery, "though I was not the mastermind".

28 Mar 16:19
"So, there was no possibility that I could bribe someone," says Agrizzi, adding that he was not allowed to meet anybody alone. 

28 Mar 16:17
He says as COO, he was not allowed to make decisions alone. He was required to consult with all divisional heads before making any decision. This included the hiring of employees. Agrizzi also says that he didn't have access to Bosasa's bank accounts. 

28 Mar 16:12
Agrizzi says he was asked to give Joe Gumede "30 loves of bread". 

28 Mar 16:04
So, in essence, "loaves of bread" was synonym for bribery money. 

28 Mar 16:00
At some point, Agrizzi says that they would used code-phrase "loaves of bread" to refer to bribe money. 

28 Mar 15:55
Asked about "codes" they used when transacting money illegally, Agrizzi jokingly says he was taught bribery "by best skelems". 

28 Mar 15:39

28 Mar 15:35
Bosasa got a better BEE rating through corruption, Agrizzi tells the commission. 

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PP: When you were last here, you were asked to decode the names captured in your little black book. 

AA: Indeed. 

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AA: Bosasa paid Gillingham's divorce settlement (R2.2-million).

"Hell hath no fury than a woman scorned," Agrizzi says.

"I was told to make sure we took care of Gillingham's wife."

28 Mar 15:02

28 Mar 14:59

Agrizzi refuses to share who did the digging, says he is already in trouble. 

"I will not," he says.

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28 Mar 14:58
They dug up holes at SeaArk and buried computers there, Agrizzi testified.

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Agrizzi says he met with Gillingham at a restaurant where he told him what had taken place. He says Gillingham confirmed he had been suspended. Arrangements were made to assist him with his suspension. Says Gillingham was worried about his pension.

28 Mar 14:32

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Gillingham was promised by Bosasa's Gavin Watson that he would be paid his pension, and his monthly earnings when he left DCS. R110 000 a month, for about four years. 

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Back from Lunch. Agrizzi deals with his involvement with former correctional services boss Patrick Gillingham. He says his interaction with Gillingham was strictly on instruction from both Gavin Watson and Danny Mansell.

28 Mar 13:12

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Agrizzi says he is aware of a R12m donation made to the ANC top 6. 

28 Mar 12:59

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 Zondo questions why senior officials within govt who have read about Bosasa corruption decided to look away and not say: "I want to know whether these things I am reading are true." 

28 Mar 12:58

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Zondo says for years things have been reported about Bosasa corruption and nothing has been done. 

Agrizzi: I think what you said it is so true. That is the power that the Watsons have. 

28 Mar 12:35

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Agrizzi: I'm sitting here today vulnerable. I was told so many times that they are the most politically connected people in South Africa.

28 Mar 12:29
Agrizzi: They would always threaten me with politicians. He says he was told about how close Valance Watsons' children were to some of former president Jacob Zuma’s children.

28 Mar 12:26

28 Mar 12:26

Pretorius deals with specific article:

READ: The minister, the gifts, the Watsons and the wind farm

The Watson family, whose links to Environmental Affairs Minister Nomvula Mokonyane were exposed during explosive testimony at the Zondo commission on state capture, want to build a controversial wind farm in the Eastern Cape. And the minister on whose decision their plans depend is … Mokonyane, GroundUp reported.

Mokonyane has a history of a direct relationship with the eldest of the four brothers, Gavin Watson, and also, at the very least, a tangential relationship with the “wind farm branch” of the family: two of the younger brothers, Ronald (Ronnie) and Valence, and Valence’s son Jared.

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Pretorius: You have testified that in relation to Ms Mokonyane you would receive request form time to time

Agrizzi: Yes 

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Lunch backs: Chicken, juice, energy bar, fruit. These were needed to be prepared delivered on short notice, says Agrizzi.

28 Mar 11:54

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Agrizzi: On the first occasion she was premier, the second occasion I can't remember if she was premier or MEC. 

28 Mar 11:51

28 Mar 11:50

AA: On one occasion cash was delivered to Mokonyane while she was Premier of Gauteng. 

She was in the position between May 2009 to May 2014. 

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