OVERVIEW: Agrizzi's testimony halted, #StateCaptureInquiry proceedings adjourned due to 'security situation'

2019-01-17 10:06

The second day of testimony by former Bosasa top boss Angelo Agrizzi in the commission of inquiry into state capture continues.

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17 Jan 15:12
The commission has been postponed to allow the police to tighten security after Agrizzi raised issues over a former policeman who works for Bosasa, Solomon Segale, who he said 'snuck' into the Commission yesterday using an expired police ID card. 

17 Jan 15:05

Pretorius and Zondo are back. Agrizzi however is not.

Zondo: We were supposed to resume at 2pm, we did not, because there was a security situation in the building  - connected with the hearing that needed to be looked into.

It is necessary that those who come here are safe, and we need to give the necessary officials space to do their work. 

Proceedings adjourned for the day. To resume tomorrow, Friday, January 18.

17 Jan 15:00

17 Jan 14:44

17 Jan 14:27
We are told inquiry chairperson DCJ Zondo will be here in the next 10 - 15min. 

17 Jan 14:19

17 Jan 13:08
We adjourn for lunch break, to return at 2pm.

17 Jan 13:05

AA: People who knew too much, would get disposed of.

Blame would be put on those who left. Agrizzi said he started to receive all the blame. 

When asked what motivated the recording of video footage, Agrizzi says Van Tonder captured the footage on behalf of him, as proof that Watson was behind it.

Watson often boasted that he never signed anything so he couldn't be pinned. 

17 Jan 13:00
Agrizzi attended a meeting at the Michelangelo in attendance with Watson where they met with Nkosana 'Killer' Ximba.

17 Jan 12:56

Agrizzi tells commission that the video clip was taken in 2017. He was not part of Bosasa anymore at that time.

Zondo: What motivated the taking of this video? 

Agrizzi says when you start raising your voice and saying 'I don’t want to do this anymore' you would easily be terminated.

17 Jan 12:53
Individuals receiving bribe had to be 'handled' so that they did not become 'a loose canon'.

17 Jan 12:50

PP: There would be a stage where Bosasa would bid for the award of a particular tender?

AA: That is correct

PP: There would be occassions where Bosasa was involved prior to tender conditions, writing up conditions once contract ran its course. Client had discretion to extend tender?

AA: That is correct

PP: On the occasion when the contract exprired, a tender process would have to be gone through before contract ended?

AA: Correct

17 Jan 12:42
Agrizzi says once Bosasa was awarded with contracts someone would have to be "looked after".

17 Jan 12:39

17 Jan 12:34
AA: That's why we had to use that system. Once you start paying people bribes on a monthly basis, you control them 100%.

17 Jan 12:33
Agrizzi: It is a trap…bribery is a trap. You raise your standards of living to that bar and as soon as you start complaining it is taken away.  

17 Jan 12:28

17 Jan 12:24
Details of how cash was generated, received to be dealt with later.

17 Jan 12:16

17 Jan 12:12

Reference of monopoly money explained:

AA: Cash was nothing in the company, it was just money. It was a phrase frequently used by Watson. 

RZ: What was the significance of that reference?

AA: He says it's just money so we can get monopoly. Cash was nothing at the company, something that was readily available.

17 Jan 12:08

Video evidence:

You can here Gavin's busy making up the notes. 

Safe was empty so they needed to refill, someone inside heard saying "I'll come back".

Andries van Tonder is counting the cash.

Stacks of cash reaching R1m.

17 Jan 12:07
We were bribing the people to keep quiet about the corruption.

17 Jan 11:48

Ramaphosa must cancel all Bosasa contracts – Maimane

DA leader Mmusi Maimane wants President Cyril Ramaphosa to cancel all Bosasa contracts immediately.

In a statement issued on Thursday, Maimane said that the first day of testimony by former Bosasa chief operations officer Angelo Agrizzi "shone a new light on how totally corrupt the ANC government is".

17 Jan 11:45

Agrizzi: The use of cash from the safe was used predominantly for illegal activities. 

Agrizzi explains that the grey bags were only used for bribes.  

17 Jan 11:39

We're back...Agrizzi raising a concern now. Four years ago, I employed a gentleman named Solomon Segale.

I saw him standing with a group of uniformed policemen yesterday, he slipped in on his old police card without proper accreditation. 

17 Jan 11:15

PP: Chair, I don't know if you want to play the video through and then take the short adjournment?

RZ: I'm easy. Maybe it might be convenient to finish the video?

PP: We will be a while.The scenes that come later may require more attention.

RZ: We'll take the tea adjournment, and resume at 11:30.

17 Jan 11:11

Joe Gumede can be heard asking for an 'extra' R10 000.

In the background, Papa Leshabane can be seen speaking on his cellphone. He has atleast two grey plastic bags filled with cash in his left hand. 

17 Jan 11:07

Agrizzi: Joe Gumede is speaking with Gavin Watson in English and Papa Leshabane is on his cellphone speaking either Xhosa or Tswana. 

Four people present in the the vault: Watson, Gumede, Van Tonder, and Papa Leshabane.

17 Jan 11:00

Agrizzi tells an interesting anecdote: "My hands are pretty bruised from all the years of closing the drop safe." 

Agrizzi pauses the video to show two safes in the background against the wall.

Agrizzi says Watson is holding R100 000, and takes the Chair through how he determined this.

Pretorius wants Agrizzi to play on and relate what is being said by the individuals in the vault.

17 Jan 10:58

Zondo interrupts. "During your time at Bosasa, you have never seen these bags carrying anything other than cash?"

AA: I can confirm.

RZ: And that's a period spanning nearly 19 years?

AA: That's correct.

17 Jan 10:56

17 Jan 10:52

17 Jan 10:51

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17 Jan 10:49
Another person comes into view. It's Papa Leshabane, director and spokesperson for Bosasa. He seems to be on the telephone. 

17 Jan 10:45

17 Jan 10:44
We are back. They have got the video system working a bit easier, Pretorius is now pointing out that the video catches some cash on the table where Gavin Watson and Joe Gumede are seated. 

17 Jan 10:43

17 Jan 10:42
In the video, we see Gavin Watson seated at his desk. He is with Joe Gumede (yesterday Agrizzi told us that he used to accompany Gumede on official business and he would hand individuals from ACSA grey plastics that allegedly contained money).

17 Jan 10:39

17 Jan 10:36

Agrizzi has identified Gavin Watson and Joe Gumede seated inside the safe so far.

We are taking a five minute break as technical peeps try and assist to find a way to better view the video.

17 Jan 10:35

17 Jan 10:35

So far the video shows Van Tonder taking a box from one vault to another at Bosasa headquarters. Agrizzi explained the box was filled with cash. The vaults were all behind false doors.

17 Jan 10:33

17 Jan 10:32

Pretorius is walking Agrizzi through the video step by step.

Gavin Watson makes an appearance in the video, he says 'good morning' in the video.

The desk is used for counting cash, whiich Agrizzi confirms.

17 Jan 10:32

17 Jan 10:30

Video carefully analysed, frequent pauses where Agrizzi provides context and explains who is present in the video.

Pretorius asks questions about the vault and various locations in the video.Agrizzi identifies the person in the video as Andries van Tonder, a former colleague, who appears to be opening the safe and removing a box with money, Agrizzi testifies.

He says these boxes were only used to distribute bribery cash.

17 Jan 10:14

On to the video:

PP: Some context, did you take the video?

AA: No, but I did ask someone to take it for me.

Pretorius asking detailed questions of Agrizzi over the vault (Gavin's safe) wherein the cash for bribes was counted, packaged and stored. 

17 Jan 10:12

17 Jan 10:12

17 Jan 10:10

And we are underway for day 2 of Angelo Agrizzi's testimony before the State Capture Inquiry.

We are kicking off today with a video clip, that will be shown, of Gavin Watson counting out cash for bribes at Bosasa.

Agrizzi has donned a tan suit today, sharp contrast to the dark and sombre ensemble of yesterday.


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