OVERVIEW: No matter your position 'we intend doing a proper job' - Zondo tells #StateCaptureInquiry

2018-08-24 15:00

Former deputy finance minister Mcebisi Jonas has testified at the commission of inquiry into state capture, sharing major revelations about his interactions with the Guptas, but has to return to answer more questions.

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24 Aug 14:50

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24 Aug 14:40

24 Aug 14:40

Zondo concludes: "We intend doing a proper job." 

Zondo adjourns proceedings until 10:00 on Monday morning. 


24 Aug 14:38

Zondo reiterates that he has assembled a "very strong legal team" with a good track record and they will do their jobs properly and to the best of their ability.


24 Aug 14:37

Zondo responds: "This commission will do its job properly. Not that I have to say this to the legal team and the investigators, but I have said that the investigations must leave no stone unturned, and that it doesn't matter who you are - if the evidence points to you, you must be followed. 

"It doesn't matter what your position is, it doesn't matter what your position may have been, this job must be done, and must be done properly." 


24 Aug 14:35

Pretorius concludes reading from the memorandum received from the SACP, and Zondo says before they adjourn, he would like to respond on some points. 


24 Aug 14:30

Pretorius, on behalf of the legal team, addresses Zondo and puts into record the memorandum handed to the commission of inquiry into state capture by the SACP, who had earlier marched to the venue. 

Secretary of the commission Dr Khotso de Wee received the memorandum from SACP on behalf of the commission.

Pretorius now reads out excerpts from the memorandum.


24 Aug 14:28

24 Aug 14:27

Zondo concludes his questioning of Jonas, but tells Jonas he may be excused for now, but has to come back to answer more questions. Zondo apologises to Jonas, but says it needs to be done.

Jonas is excused, and the head of the legal team Paul Pretorius now addresses Zondo. 


24 Aug 14:24

24 Aug 14:22

Zondo asks about Jonas' statement that the Gupta brother he met with told him they "control everything"... "Does it include the executive?" Zondo asks, saying he is seeking clarity on that issue. 


24 Aug 14:20

Jonas says there was palpable hostility towards Treasury on a range of issues. He cites examples of people who had issues with budgets, and attempts to break Treasury down into components.

Jonas also says Treasury is dependent on the support of the president and was undermined by some departments, who circumvented processes that required them to go through Treasury.


24 Aug 14:14

Zondo asks Jonas about the "hostility" directed towards the Ministry of Finance, and asks him to elaborate about who was hostile towards the ministry and Treasury.


24 Aug 14:12

24 Aug 14:11

DCJ Zondo now directing questions at Jonas. 

Zondo says if he doesn't know the answer to the question, he should say so, if he's unsure, he should state that also, and if he knows the answer to Zondo's questions "seeking more information", he should answer. 


24 Aug 14:08

Proceedings resume after the lunch adjournment.

Mokoena once again leading evidence, says the legal team is concerned about Jonas' admission that his counsel was there when the Hawks official tried to get him to sign the false statement.


24 Aug 14:01

READ: Mcebisi Jonas' statement to the commission of inquiry into state capture

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24 Aug 13:13

WATCH - LUNCHTIME ANALYSIS: News24 unpacks Jonas' scathing state capture inquiry revelations


24 Aug 13:07

24 Aug 12:59

Gordhan: Jonas is extremely brave 

Former finance minister Pravin Gordhan has hailed Mcebisi Jonas' testimony at the judicial inquiry into state capture as "extremely brave".

Jonas delivered bombshell after bombshell on Friday while he was guiding Deputy Chief Justice Ray Zondo through the chronology of events of state capture as he experienced it. 

He told the commission that one of the Gupta brothers threatened to kill him should any details of the infamous meeting between him, Jonas, Duduzane Zuma (the son of former president Jacob Zuma) and businessman Fana Hlongwane ever become public.

Gordhan, who sat quietly at the back while listening to his former deputy's testimony, told News24 he has enormous respect for Jonas.

"He is extremely brave… this is what a true patriot does." 


24 Aug 12:52

24 Aug 12:51

Advocate Trengrove says Jonas was so "thoroughly led" that he doesn't have any further questions, and Mokoena suggests perhaps they should consider closing the evidence of Jonas. 

Zondo says he wants to use every available minute to them during the inquiry, and after some discussion calls for the lunch adjournment. 

Proceedings will resume at 14:00. 


24 Aug 12:46

Jonas' lawyer, Advocate Wim Trengove, has requested to put some questions to Jonas for clarification, and Zondo says he would have to apply to do so. Zondo says he is "open to persuasion", but "clarificatory questions" could be passed on to the inquiry's legal team.


24 Aug 12:43

Mokoena now asking Jonas to confirm telephone records, and also the phone numbers for Duduzane Zuma and Hlongwane. 


24 Aug 12:41

24 Aug 12:40

Jonas repeats his statement that his confidence in the criminal justice system in SA was low at the time.


24 Aug 12:39

Jonas says the removal of Nene dealt a blow to South Africa's credibility, losing the country billions and causing a decline in the rand. "We were in the worst state since the dawn of democracy, developing a downward trend."

Jonas says they believed South Africa could not afford the nuclear deal and they believed it was not ethical to raise that amount of debt.


24 Aug 12:36

Jonas touches on the axing and appointment of ministers once again, and its effect on the rand and the economy. 

Jonas says the events at the time also really "knocked the morale" at Treasury, says the "enthusiasm" of Gordhan really helped. 



24 Aug 12:26

Jonas: "The key issue is that the meeting with the events I have described took place at the Saxonwold compound shared by the Gupta brothers and their families and that a Gupta brother was present."


24 Aug 12:22

Jonas now reads out his response, on record, to the affidavits by Hlongwane and Duduzane Zuma.


24 Aug 12:21

Among the documents in evidence being discussed are affidavits by Fana Hlongwane and Duduzane Zuma. Mokoena quizzes Jonas about some of the details, including Hlongwane's affidavit which states that Atul Gupta was never "present" at the meeting. 

Jonas also disputes Hlongwane's claim that there was another meeting between them. 


24 Aug 12:14

Advocate Mokoena and DCJ Zondo currently going over evidence documents and statements with Jonas, asking for his confirmation at certain points.


24 Aug 12:00

24 Aug 11:59

24 Aug 11:59

24 Aug 11:58

Meanwhile, outside the venue where the commission of inquiry into state capture is in session. 


24 Aug 11:57

Jonas repeats how he refused an offer of R600 000 in cash from the Guptas at their Saxonwold compound.


24 Aug 11:55

Jonas, again speaking about when he refused the offer from the Guptas, recalls how "emotional" the man became, says he felt as if the man wanted to "punch" him.


24 Aug 11:52

24 Aug 11:49

Jonas now corroborating some of his earlier testimony, as it relates to the interview in the public protector's report, about the meeting at the Gupta compound in Saxonwold, facilitated by Duduzane Zuma.


24 Aug 11:45

The focus now shifts to Jonas' interview with former public protector Thuli Madonsela, for the purposes of the state capture report.



24 Aug 11:40

24 Aug 11:39

Jonas now speaking about how he was contacted by the Hawks on 20 June 2016, regarding the complaint laid by the DA.


24 Aug 11:35

Jonas says he refused to sign the Hawks' statement.


24 Aug 11:31

Jonas says the Hawks told him that the complaint laid with the police by DA MP David Maynier was a "DA matter".


24 Aug 11:30

Jonas now outlines his interaction with the Hawks, says he was contacted by the Hawks calling for an official statement to finalise a case. Jonas confirms he was contacted by General Berning Ntlemeza.


24 Aug 11:27

Proceedings resume after the short adjournment.


24 Aug 11:25

24 Aug 11:14

24 Aug 11:07

Zondo calls for a brief adjournment.

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