OVERVIEW: Muthambi flouted GCIS procedures, wasn't interested in 'serving the people' - Williams at #StateCaptureInquiry

2018-09-03 13:00

GCIS acting DG Phumla Williams completed her testimony at the commission of inquiry into state capture and has provided insight into the irregular way things were run when Faith Muthambi was in charge as communications minister.

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WATCH: #StateCaptureInquiry | Day 9 

Deputy Chief Justice Raymond Zondo

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03 Sep 14:17


03 Sep 13:12

Zondo calls for the adjournment. Says although the next witness is only scheduled for Thursday, they may return on Wednesday morning to hear the applications by the legal representatives of implicated parties. 

The commission adjourns.

03 Sep 13:10

Zondo thanks and excuses Williams. "For now, you are done," Zondo tells Williams, but she may have to return at a later stage to face cross-examination by parties implicated during her testimony.

03 Sep 13:09

Hofmeyer says she has completed her questioning of Williams, and moves on to the issue of notices sent out to parties implicated by Williams. For now, says Hofmeyer, three notices have been sent out.

03 Sep 13:07

03 Sep 13:06

Hofmeyer confirms with Zondo that the next witness from National Treasury is only scheduled for Thursday. There will be no witnesses until Thursday. 

Zondo suggests Hofmeyer pushes through what would've been the lunch adjournment, to continue leading the evidence of Williams to completion.

03 Sep 13:02

Williams: "They were trying to push the narrative that the institution needs fresh people."

03 Sep 13:02

Hofmeyer confirms with Williams that in some of the concluding remarks in her statement, she says: "As a result of the Minister Muthambi's behaviour, an essential government institution, that was built from 1998, was rendered dysfunctional."

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Williams: "When Minister Muthambi was transferred to the DPSA, she then wrote to the new minister, Minister Dlodlo, requesting that the two officials be transferred - Mr Donald Liphoko and also Mr Zweli Momeka, made a request that they be transferred. In fact, one was to be transferred and the other was to be seconded with immediate effect, which I did the paperwork, to get them to be transferred to the DPSA."

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Williams explains the technicalities and formalities of the recruitment process at GCIS. As DDG, Williams handled HR matters.

03 Sep 12:47

Williams describes her relationship with Muthambi at the time as "strained".

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Williams once again says Muthambi made irregular changes at GCIS, channelling important functions and decisions to someone they could "manipulate".

03 Sep 12:42

Williams says Muthambi had no regard for taxpayers' money.

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Hofmeyer and Williams now going over the issue of Williams' purported resignation/early retirement, which Williams says she had withdrawn after having a change of heart. 

Williams casually says that Muthambi had probably even bought champagne after she thought Williams had resigned. 

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Williams describes panic attacks, and other symptoms and after-effects stemming from a traumatic experience she had suffered in 1988, when she was tortured in Piet Retief. Williams says she was forced to relive some of these effects after being mistreated by Muthambi at the GCIS.

03 Sep 12:27

"I had to accept that this is not a minister, this is an enemy," Williams says of Faith Muthambi.

03 Sep 12:27

Williams says she did not want to go to the doctor because she was afraid to speak about her pain. Instead, she asked for early retirement, but then withdrew it because she had dug deep into her inner soul. Hofmeyer goes over the letter dealing with her early retirement request.

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Proceedings resume after a short break for Williams to compose herself after breaking down during testimony.

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Williams: "I think Minister Muthambi, or rather this woman, I'm really being sorry to say what I want to say, Minister Muthambi had ripped my scars of (apartheid) torture... completely, completely." 

"I think when I was writing this letter, the effects of my torture were back. Chairperson, I was no longer sleeping, I had nightmares, I was reliving my situation. My facial twitches were back..."

"I had panic attacks, I saw torture going through my body again. I never thought in this government, people can do such things. I was tortured for weeks, and Muthambi did the same thing to my body." 

Williams takes another sip of her water... "And that's why I wrote this letter, as a way of trying to get her to understand what she was doing."

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Williams says when she wrote to the minister about the issues around her role, she was told by Muthambi, "I thought you had left," and Muthambi also told her it's her right as a minister anyway to give these instructions.

03 Sep 11:58

Williams: "I was left with human resources, administration, and human resources development, strategic planning and IT."

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Williams says Muthambi ordered that Liphoko take over some of the roles belonging to the DDG, which at the time was Williams. Liphoko was apparently head-hunted by Manyi.

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Williams says Muthambi did a lot of damage at GCIS.

03 Sep 11:44

Hofmeyer now goes over the timelines, confirms that Williams was demoted from the position of acting DG in October 2014, to deputy director general (DDG). Diphoko took over as acting DG from Wiliams' demotion, until April 2017. Williams was placed back in the acting DG role from April 2017.

03 Sep 11:37

Williams confirms Hofmeyer's statement that the vacant post must be advertised within six months, and filled within 12 months.

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Williams says to Zondo she is not exactly sure why the post has not been filled. The skills needed for the post, in her opinion, are not really scarce.

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Zondo asks, incredulously, "So that post has remained vacant for six years? For six years?" 

Zondo asks how it is possible that the post of director-general of the GCIS can remain vacant for so long.

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