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2019-04-15 09:37

The judicial commission of inquiry into state capture continues with testimony from former IPID head Robert McBride.

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Former IPID boss Robert McBride
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All is this a rouse to scupper IPID's investigation into Phahlane says McBride.

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Brigadier Khomo was in charge of internal security but was discussing investigations so the conversation was improper, says McBride.Mahlangu and Kgomo discuss a post for Mahlangu. 

He raises concerns of his lack of experience


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Mahlangu was an investigator for IPID and handled "sensitive investigations", says McBride.

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A recording between Hawks official Mahlangu and a Mr Kgomo.

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During his suspension three people from Crime Intelligence were hired permanently at IPID and moved when McBride returned to IPID.

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McBride says there was no rationale for people in critical positions being moved or removed from IPID.

He said the transfers immediately instilled fears.


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McBride says IPID performance had not gone up under Kgamanyane. 

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Cases against Phahlane were closed due to duplication, says McBride.

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Decision on who will hear evidence relating to the findings of Zondo's brother will be decided amongst relevant parties.

McBride continues. 


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Z: There is no evidence that should be heard that will not be heard, it's a question of who must hear it.

It is a very complex matter.


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McBride says after his suspension, important information went missing. A suspect admitted involvement of torture which led to the death of a suspect. Fortunately a copy was made, the case resurfaced. 

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Acting successor Kgamanyane requested for dockets relating to the Panday case which involved businessman Thoshan Panday in corruption linked to the 2010 World Cup. He adds that no prosecution in the Panday case took place.

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Z: As long as the hard copy given to NBA remained as was, it represented what has been given and had not been interfered with. McBride agrees.

M: There wasn't any untoward motive, the case in all its assets were discussed with Mr Nxasana.


15 Apr 14:32

Z: Perhaps an understanding that there was a failure to include something that was in the first report?

M: To my knowledge and understanding, it was a conscious decision not to include anything of no evidentiary value.


15 Apr 14:29

Pretorius reads out some of Khuba's concerns:

He was under pressure to produce report from NBA.

Denies any improper motives.

No attempt to exclude material evidence from report.


15 Apr 14:26
M: When the minister requested all information, both reports were given, there was no attempts to mislead the minister by only giving one report, on 26 November 2014.

15 Apr 14:24

Z: I'm trying to establish why Mr Khuba changed his view. Why did he go to first report physically and make alterations?

M: From the evidence, affidavit and engagement, the second report is an enhancement on the facts in the first report.


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McBride says he had no role to play in the first report.

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Z: Alterations of original report: did the first report physically look different in terms of what it contains before the alleged alterations?

M: There are a number of reports, things are added. By January, it's already had some evolution in it. I'm not sure what the minister means by the first report in the term of reference. 


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We resume from lunch. Pretorius clarifies a few issues. Refers to analysis by Werksmans reports. 


15 Apr 13:04
Lunch adjournment. To resume at 14:00

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Upon his return, McBride speaks about changes to restructuring: At least 8 senior managers were affected. Some were transferred, others suspended, many had to fill gaps that were left. He says he had noticed a pattern of transfers and suspensions in the Hawks and SARS.

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P: You were suspended for what period? 

M: 24 March 2015 and returned 19 October 2016 - approximately 18 months.

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