AS IT HAPPENED: Panday mention 'he needs to be clipped' - Booysen testifies at #statecaptureinquiry

2019-04-17 09:53

The Zondo commission of inquiry into allegations of state capture heard testimony from former KwaZulu-Natal Hawks head Johan Booysen.

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17 Apr 16:34
The commission adjourns until tomorrow.

17 Apr 16:34

17 Apr 16:33
"I don't know if it has something to do with my being in the Hawks, that maybe they wanted to clip my wings," says Booysen.

This was Booysen's understanding when Panday mentioned that Booysen needed to be "clipped".

17 Apr 16:31
Booysen says both Mzobe and Panday were partners in a close corporation company that was part of the investigation.

17 Apr 16:27

17 Apr 16:26
Booysen says Madhoe was arrested on September 8, 2011.

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17 Apr 16:15
Booysen then gave him the report, to which Madhoe replied "hundreds". As Booysens walked away from the transaction, he heard officer jumping out of the fire escape to arrest Madhoe in the sting operation.

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Booysen: They agreed Madhoe would put the cash in empty photocopy paper boxes.

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17 Apr 15:59
Booysen says Madhoe told him Panday had "two bar" for him. Booysen understood that "two bar" means R2m.

17 Apr 15:51
Booysen never opened the envelope and gave it to Van Loggerenberg for fingerprints. The fingerprints matched those of Panday and not Madhoe.

17 Apr 15:49

17 Apr 15:41
Booysen says he believes the purpose of the photographs shown to him was an attempt at a subtle form of attempted intimidation by Madhoe. Booysen says he has seen "plenty" of dead bodies.

17 Apr 15:38

17 Apr 15:37
Booysen recounts a meeting with Madhoe. Madhoe showed him photos on his laptop of crime scenes. These were police photographs.

17 Apr 15:20

17 Apr 15:16
Panday must have suspected something following the plan to execute a Section 252 operation, that’s why he wouldn’t engage with Mostert.

17 Apr 15:13
Booysen now deals with Panday's alleged attempt to bribe a cop to "blow up files" in an office where documents were kept. 

17 Apr 15:08

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In the second meeting at Nkandla, Booysen was invited inside but he never discussed Edward Zuma with former President Jacob Zuma. 


17 Apr 15:07

17 Apr 15:07
Zondo clarifies the details of the two arranged meetings. After the meetings, they spoke to speak to Khulubuse Zuma. He told him that Edward should "stop his nonsense"and Khulubuse agreed, says Booysen. He agreed to talk to Edward.

17 Apr 15:05

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Booysen said he asked his friend to schedule a meeting with Jacob Zuma, he wanted to know what Edward had to say and he wanted to alert state president to know what his son was busy with. Edward was a silent business partner of Panday.

17 Apr 14:59
When asked about the meeting, Edward said he had met with Booysen, but denied the conversation took place, he later denied everything all together. 

17 Apr 14:53

17 Apr 14:53
Happens to have been Edward Zuma, son of the former state president, upon meeting him. A friend of Booysen was present while he was meeting with Edward.

17 Apr 14:50
My secretary said she received a call from brother of Jacob Zuma for a meeting with me, sounded like he wanted to meet away from the office, Booysen said he would only have meetings in his office. If they want to see me, they can make an appointment through my office. This occurred around June 2010.

17 Apr 14:50
According to the report, the company experienced financial difficulty until he started to do business with the SAPS. Investigations revealed R60m paid to Panday’s company, Gold Coast Trading. R45m was paid prior to a R15m which was paid during the investigation.

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They diverged from the initial plan, moved it to the following morning, along with a team of Hawks detectives. Panday as somehow made aware of the search. All the properties were searched. A number of documents were confiscated. 

17 Apr 14:30

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Information kept leaking out, regardless of the precautions, Booysen says. Search and seizure warrants were obtained for Panday’s residence and implicated police offices. 

17 Apr 14:28

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Cele said it should continue unabated. And requested that they adhere to the reporting lines of the police, says Booysen.

17 Apr 14:26

Back in 2010, Booysen says a phone call from Bheki Cele who was National Commissioner at the time, gave him re-assurance to continue with the Panday investigation. "He told me not to entertain any interference & continue with the investigation".



17 Apr 14:21

17 Apr 13:58

Former KZN police boss instructed Booysen to shut down 'Panday investigation' - state capture inquiry hears

Former KwaZulu-Natal (KZN) Hawks boss Johan Booysen says former KZN provincial commissioner Mmamonnye Ngobeni instructed him to shut down a sensitive investigation. 

"I got a call from Ngobeni in May 2010 on my way home when she asked: 'What is this investigation you are busy with? The supply chain management one?'"

I tried to explain, and she kept interrupting me saying further investigation would embarrass the police and that we must stop the investigation. It was clear in my mind that she was talking about the Panday investigation," Booysen told the state capture commission of inquiry on Wednesday.


17 Apr 13:06
Lunch adjournment.

17 Apr 13:06

17 Apr 13:06
Booysen says Ngobeni treated him better that the other generals. Says she would often shout and scold at them. 

17 Apr 13:04

17 Apr 13:03

The investigation must have gotten to Panday. Booysen says he confronted Panday's attorney for interfering with witnesses.

They wanted to put pressure on us, they went to other measures as well to compromise the investigation, Booysen adds.

Zondo: What was said by the Panday side? 

Booysen: Repetition of the previous meeting – unlawfulness, etc. The atmosphere was a bit thick, the meeting was called off by the PC and I left.


17 Apr 12:57

17 Apr 12:57
Booysen  says he suspects Panday and Madhoe had a network of contacts who knew the investigation had continued, which is why Ngobeni might have asked him again about the investigation.

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