OVERVIEW: 'Government should not perpetuate the evils of apartheid' - ACDP on the land question

2018-09-04 10:09

Land expropriation without compensation: Constitutional Review Committee hears oral submissions.

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04 Sep 16:23
The meeting has adjourned and will resume on Wednesday at 10:00. 

04 Sep 16:19
Land expropriation must happen with compensation, argues Meshoe.

04 Sep 16:13
The EFF argues that Israelis had to "conquer and expropriate" land in Canaan. The chair interrupts, to say the argument is out of context.  

04 Sep 16:04

04 Sep 16:03
Meshoe says we must first deal with corruption in the land reform processes, before we can talk about expropriation of land with compensation. 

04 Sep 16:02
Who will pay for the loans to the banks, should land owned by people with tittle deeds is expropriated without compensation, asks Meshoe. 

04 Sep 16:00
He says land owned by religious leaders should be protected because "they are doing a good job in their communities". 

04 Sep 15:59
The ACDP'S Kenneth Meshoe argues that before we argue about land expropriation without compensation, we should talk about which land will be expropriating without compensation. 

04 Sep 15:55
Cosatu argues that those who didn't acquire their land through "market value" should not compensated through "market value". They say that land owners should not be paid millions of rand for it if they did not pay millions of rand for it.  

04 Sep 15:49
Parks responded by saying that the EFF confuses rudeness with political militancy. He said that he would not be dragged to that because that's the EFF's "modus operandi". Adding that Cosatu is a diverse organisation representing many different people.  

04 Sep 15:46
The EFF says Cosatu, "which represents the majority of black people", is being represented by a white person. The EFF said the white representative of Cosatu represent "the views of white people". 

04 Sep 15:36

04 Sep 15:36
"We are disappointed in government," says Cosatu's Matthew Parks.

04 Sep 15:34
"You need to look at unfairly inflated land."

04 Sep 15:32

04 Sep 15:32
The problem is not the Constitution. As Cosatu, we don't want to see to Constitution changed everyday. 

04 Sep 15:31
"We have failed as a nation to see the racially skewed ownership of land," says Cosatu.  

04 Sep 15:29
Cosatu says it supports government's plan to expropriate land without expropriation. 

04 Sep 15:14
The hearings have adjourned for a tea break. 

04 Sep 14:38

04 Sep 14:12
Dr Rick de Satgé of Phuhlisani to CRC: "There is no evidence to demonstrate the expropriation without compensation will make land reform cheaper or make it faster." #Section25 #SAonLand @TeamNews24 @gerbjan

04 Sep 14:09
"We have failed to realise the transformative power of #Section25," dr Rick de Satgé of Phuhlisani tells CRC #SAonLand @TeamNews24 @gerbjan

04 Sep 14:06

04 Sep 13:48
Prof Bradley Slade of University of Stellenbosch's Law Faculty says amending #Section25 would require an overhaul of the whole Constitutional design #SAonLand @TeamNews24 @gerbjan

04 Sep 13:00
Chair adjourns until 13:30

04 Sep 12:52
"We have a completely failed restitution system." - Zenande Booi of UCT's Land & Accountability Research Centre to CRC #Section25 #SAonLand @TeamNews24 @gerbjan

04 Sep 12:50

There is no law in place to tell how we will do redistribution – Booi  

"We have a completely failed restitution system"


04 Sep 12:48
Historically rights to land was not respected, says Booi

04 Sep 12:45
Booi says Constitution already gives power to expropriate

04 Sep 12:39
Zenande Booi of UCT's Land & Accountability Research Centre tells CRC despite legal requirement that Ingonyama Trust must administer land in terms of customary Zulu law, it acts as if it is owner of the land #Section25 #SAonLand @TeamNews24 @gerbjan

04 Sep 12:36
The failures in land reform are not due to Constitution but to the government's failure to implement existing laws, says Booi

04 Sep 12:35

04 Sep 12:31

Zanande Booi of UCT's Land Accountability and Research Centre says any amendment to the Constitution could harm other rights.  

"It's a red herring"


04 Sep 12:20

Context matters, so let expropriation be tested in courts first

Whenever I am despondent about the world, I go and sit in the Constitutional Court, my hope giving place. I have a similar feeling here today. Maybe it is because the things that both have in common are the Constitution and democracy-in-action, both very important reasons why we are here today. The very basis that this conversation is built on.


04 Sep 12:13
Land was taken from us without negotiation

04 Sep 12:11

04 Sep 12:08
Constance Mogale of Alliance for Rural Development says must have land

04 Sep 11:49
Chair adjourns proceedings until 11:55

04 Sep 11:44
EFF MP Mulaudzi tells Prof Elmien du Plessis she is "AfriForum in disguise" #SAonLand #Section25 @TeamNews24 @gerbjan

04 Sep 11:42
Don't intimidate me – MPs get heated

04 Sep 11:37
Some questions directed at Du Plessis from MPs get heated

04 Sep 11:35

Expropriation is not an end in itself, says Du Plessis.  

"Land reform must happen"


04 Sep 11:32
Du Plessis says she is not representing a university, but her own views as an expert on the subject

04 Sep 11:22
Du Plessis says the Constitution is a framework, legislation must be used to achieve goals

04 Sep 11:19
"Expropriation is not an end in itself." - Prof Elmien du Plessis to CRC #SAonLand #Section25 @TeamNews24 @gerbjan

04 Sep 11:16

Professor Elmien du Plessis of North West University says her research is finally relevant  

She says section 25 need not be amended to facilitate land reform


04 Sep 11:15

04 Sep 11:10
Land is a commodity, says Grain SA

04 Sep 11:08

Our poor farmers have land and they don't have money.  

We are saying to government: "Help us."


04 Sep 11:06
Grain SA's Jannie de Villiers says after CRC's public hearings they understand the need for dignity in relation to land reform much better #SAonLand #Section25 @TeamNews24 @gerbjan

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