AS IT HAPPENED: Life Esidimeni: 'I was not aware,' says David Makhura

2018-01-30 10:06

Gauteng premier David Makhura has taken the stand at the Life Esidimeni arbitration hearings in Parktown, Johannesburg.

News24 journalist Jeanette Chabalala is reporting live from the hearing. 

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30 Jan 18:44
Moseneke suggests that the proceedings start at 09.30 on Wednesday.

30 Jan 18:17
Makhura alleges that Mahlangu and Selebano misreported the enormity of the Life Esidimeni problem ... 

30 Jan 18:14
Makhura asked about workers who lost their jobs when the Life Esidimeni contract was cancelled ... 

30 Jan 18:11
"Maybe someone has been using my name," says Makhura 

30 Jan 17:56
"I regret that I was not aware," says Makhura, also acknowledging that saying "I'm not aware" from someone in a position of power is not a satisfactory answer. 

30 Jan 17:28

30 Jan 17:28
Makhura says he does not want to pass the buck. He says people died and everyone says they were not there.

30 Jan 17:28
Moseneke says when one has acted unlawful and that person is a public official, one of the ways is to fall on your sword. Makhura agrees. 

30 Jan 17:25
Makhura says he told Mahlangu that if something goes wrong in her line of duty then she must take responsibility. He says Mahlangu said 'Premier if you want me to resign, I will resign'.

30 Jan 17:12

30 Jan 17:07
I could have done something to be more responsive and bring the NGOs around the table with the dept, says Makhura.

30 Jan 17:05
Makhura says knowing what he knows now he would have intervened.

30 Jan 17:04

30 Jan 17:03
Makhura says in all his interactions with minister Motsoaledi, "I knew my head was also on the block."

30 Jan 17:00
Makhura says all of them who were part of the marathon project - none of them said anything about being misled or being afraid.

30 Jan 16:55
Makhura says there was no satisfactory explanation from Qedani Mahlangu.

30 Jan 16:50
Makhura says he met with Minister Motsoaledi to talk about what has happened regarding death.

30 Jan 16:46
Makhura says there was a story that there was pressure from Treasury about budget. He says he knows this was not the case.

30 Jan 16:37
Makhura says he was given assurance by Qedani Mahlangu and Barney Selebano that the department had the capacity to house patients at state facilities. 

30 Jan 16:36
Makhura says he was assured in a meeting that the patients would be taken to proper institutions, but this did not happen  

30 Jan 16:27

30 Jan 16:26
He says his office doesn't make decisions on contracts. 

30 Jan 16:24
Makhura says as a premier, he doesn't discuss which service providers should be appointed. 

30 Jan 16:17
Makhura says he is ready to answer. "It happened under my watch"

30 Jan 16:14
"If there is no truth here. I will work with the families to pursue any truth elsewhere," says Makhura

30 Jan 16:13
Makhura says as the head of government, the buck stops with him. 

30 Jan 16:12
"I'm also hear to account," says Makhura, adding that "apologising doesn't mean a lot if there's no truth". 

30 Jan 16:11
Makhura says families have heard a lot of blame shifting and excuses and very little of what happened. 

30 Jan 16:11
"There can be no justice without the truth," says Makhura, as he apologise to the families of the victims of Life Esidimeni. 

30 Jan 16:07

30 Jan 15:53
Life Esidimeni we adjourn for a short break.

30 Jan 15:53
Creecy is done with her testimony. The next witness is Premier David Makhura. 

30 Jan 15:53
"I apologise to you deeply and sincerely," says Creecy.

30 Jan 15:49
Creecy now addresses the families. She says since 1994, she has served the Guateng government and she has always been proud. She says the testimonies she listened to during the hearing filled her with deep shame.

30 Jan 15:41
Asked if she confronted Qedani Mahlangu about the closure of Life Esidimeni, Creecy said it is not her role. "She is my colleague, I am not her boss."

30 Jan 15:26

30 Jan 15:26

30 Jan 15:25
Legal Aid's Lilla Crouse now cross-examining Creecy. She tells her that she is glad she is here to give evidence.

30 Jan 15:25

30 Jan 14:49
Proceedings are now underway.

30 Jan 13:45

30 Jan 13:45
Hassim says the dept paid R300 000 a day for legal audit. She says this amounted to R60 million which was paid to private attorney. (Members of the crowd react in disbelief)

30 Jan 13:44

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30 Jan 12:51

30 Jan 12:41
Hassim is now dealing with accruals. She says the dept ended the 2015/16 year with a billion rand of accruals.

30 Jan 12:32

30 Jan 12:28
So Creecy has just revealed that over R47m was paid to NGOs.

30 Jan 12:25

30 Jan 12:25

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