OVERVIEW: Malema addresses crowd outside #StateCaptureInquiry as Gordhan concludes testimony

2018-11-20 13:00

Public Enterprises Minister Pravin Gordhan continues with his testimony at the judicial commission of inquiry into state capture after scratching the surface in detailing incidents of malfeasance within government.

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20 Nov 16:49
Malema says he will not longer be entertaining questions about relatives unless the media subject Pravin Gordhan to those same questions.

20 Nov 16:39
Malema says if Gordhan returns tomorrow, then the EFF will be back. 

20 Nov 16:38

20 Nov 16:37
“When you fight against Pravin you must be ready...there will be casualties...there might even be a loss of life...I am not scared of white people, of Johann Rupert or the Oppenheimers...the white people handling them...”, says Julius Malema to his supporters." (Pieter Du Toit, News24) 

20 Nov 16:36
Malema challenges President Cyril Ramaphosa to hold a press briefing and reveal those that funded his CR17 campaign.

20 Nov 16:35

20 Nov 16:35
 "We want to collapse the ANC, it's no secret. We want Ramaphosa gone too - Julius Malema tells the masses.

20 Nov 16:33
Malema says he is the only one who never met with the Guptas, "unlike all these ANC leaders". 

20 Nov 16:22

20 Nov 16:21

20 Nov 16:18
Malema: "Our attack on Pravin Gordan is an attack on White Monopoly Capital. Pravin is a dog of white Monopoly capital." 

20 Nov 16:17

20 Nov 16:12
As the inquiry concludes, EFF leader Julius Malema is now addressing protesters outside the Zondo Commission in Johannesburg. 

20 Nov 16:10

Proceedings adjourn for the day, Gordhan is set to return tomorrow to finish his testimony, along with three other witnesses.

Proceedings are scheduled to start at 10:00.


20 Nov 16:06
There was a continuation of harassment, they agreed not to resign, but to continue doing the job. 

20 Nov 16:05
Another occasion arised to force him to resign, Gordhan says, in attempt to capture Treasury and create uncertainty.

20 Nov 16:03
On October 31, 2016, former NDP boss Shaun Abrahams withdrew the charges against Gordhan, saying he was satisfied that the three accused (Gordhan, Pillay and Magashule) did not intent to act unlawfully.

20 Nov 15:59
Now dealing with "seemingly politically motivated criminal charges"  brought against Gordhan in 2016 regarding Ivan Pillay's early retirement package.

20 Nov 15:56
Amendments were eventually signed in 2017, Gordhan confirms this. 

20 Nov 15:54
Gordhan now speaks on FICA amendments.Gordhan speaks about resistance within the security cluster. Zuma delayed signing the FICA amendment bill, he says.

20 Nov 15:42
Treasury doesn't work outside of the government orbit, says Gordhan.

20 Nov 15:39
Bathabile Dlamini's accusations that Gordhan and Treasury was opposed to "radical socio-economic transformation" was "actual drivel" says Gordhan. "There's the slogan, and there's real transformation," he says. 

20 Nov 15:38

20 Nov 15:37

Now dealing with alleged attempt by National Treasury to take over responsibilities and the hostility towards Treasury.

Over the democratic era, SA has established good safety net, ahead of most developing countries.Gordhan says there were issues around how social grants are funded.

Dlamini accuses Treasury of not protecting the needs to ordinary South Africans.


20 Nov 15:27

READ: #StateCaptureInquiry: 'I have nothing to fear' - Gordhan

Public Enterprises Minister Pravin Gordhan says his detractors should appear before the judicial commission of inquiry into allegations of state capture and "say their piece under oath".


20 Nov 15:26
Gordhan says alternatives were turned down up until ConCourt intervened, says there is room left for further investigation into this.  

20 Nov 15:25

Moving towards lengthy letter written to Treasury by Bathabile Dlamini around June 2016:

Gordhan says the letter demonstrated attack on Treasury, they tried to find alternative solutions - other than CPS because it presented many challenges - to pay social grants.


20 Nov 15:19

What role Zuma played in the dispute between Gordhan and Moyane:

None at all, Gordhan says. 

Zuma's lawyer only acted as a mediator. 


20 Nov 15:13

20 Nov 15:13
"Moyane was rude to me," says Gordhan, and never returned his calls, which is "courtesy as a minister".

20 Nov 15:12

20 Nov 15:12
"Accountability to the minister means accountability to the minister," Gordhan says.

20 Nov 15:09

Now deals with relationship and interaction with Tom Monyane.

"I wouldn't like to call it a relationship," Gordhan says.


20 Nov 15:07

20 Nov 15:07

Gordhan: How I dissed the Guptas

The former minister of finance was scathingly dismissive of the Guptas: he threw a fruit basket, that served as in invitation to the infamous Sun City wedding in the rubbish bin and a meeting with Ajay Gupta brokered by Zuma ended “after roughly two minutes” when it became clear he wasn’t interested.

Gordhan also offered the following as evidence of his disdain of the family:

** “I made not visits to the Saxonwold compound.”

** “Treasury cancelled The New Age post-budget breakfasts.”

** “I refused to take part in (then) Minister Zwane’s attempts to intervene in the banks’ decision to close the Gupta accounts.”

** “The court action lodged in the High Court to get a declaratory order about the powers if the finance minister in relation to banks.”

** “My, and Treasury’s, refusal to accede to the Denel Asia deal while we were pressured to do so.”

He added: “These are a few indicators of where I stood in relation to this issue (the Guptas).

- Pieter Du Toit


20 Nov 15:03

Returning to issues of 2016, the orchestrated campaign he speaks of - asked if there is proof of this Gordhan says footage from ANN7 can provide evidence of orchestrated campaign, as well as the role Bell Pottinger played in state capture. 

"In formal terms, Bell Pottinger doesn't exist," he says.


20 Nov 15:00

20 Nov 14:58
Asked if he was part of the state visits in China and India in 2010, replies no.

20 Nov 14:57

Gordhan says he struggles to distinguish one Gupta brother from the other. 


20 Nov 14:56

20 Nov 14:54

Gordhan asked if he lied to Parliament about meeting with the Guptas, he responds:

"I would not lie to Parliament. If I wanted to lie I would have left this meeting out. The fact that it is here and clear is evident that we are being frank."


20 Nov 14:53
Gordhan says as minister of finance, on behalf of the country, they meet hundreds of investors and this was just one of those. 

20 Nov 14:51
"I am not for sale to anybody," Gordhan repeats.

20 Nov 14:50

Gordhan says he attended the meeting together with Mr Mogajane, who advised him that meeting lasted an hour.

Gordhan emphasises that the meeting he had was with Mr Ambani, not a Gupta brother. 


20 Nov 14:48

20 Nov 14:47
Gordhan recalls being introduced to "a short gentleman" at the presidential guesthouse, believed to be Ajay Gupta. 

20 Nov 14:45

20 Nov 14:45
Gordhan: "Let me repeat, I refused to schedule a meeting with the Gupta family, whether at their residence or anywhere else."

20 Nov 14:43

20 Nov 14:42
Whatever interactions might have been, there was no such meeting where two people sit and transact, Gordhan says.

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