AS IT HAPPENED: Doctor says several wounds on Henri appear 'self inflicted and superficial'

2017-05-18 09:29

Updates from day 14 of the Van Breda murder trial as they happened.


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Last Updated at 04:32
18 May 12:59

Keep an eye out on News24 for updates on the livestreaming ruling. 

Court back on Monday.

18 May 12:57
Agreement between state and defense that witness stands down, return next Tuesday (23 May).

18 May 12:39

18 May 12:30
Defence asks for adjournment to allow their expert witness to be present pertaining to Henri's wounds.

18 May 12:20

Marli's hand injuries to her looks like sharp force injury to the wrist - typical defence injury, holding hands over whichever area is attacked.

Bruising on back of hands, and on knuckle. Also small abrasion. Injuries could be seen in someone fighting back.

18 May 12:13

Dr Tiemensma has read Henri's plea explanation. Galloway says he could recall certain details vividly, but couldn't correctly type words in a Google search. 

Dr Tiemensma says it was quite obvious some details were described in detail, others not. Says it interesting how "selective" it was.

18 May 12:07
Bruising and injury may have caused a mild concussion.

18 May 12:06

He could have fallen, abrasions and lacerations.

I don't think he lost a lot of blood, tiny amount not enough to go into shock. I don't think he would have fainted due to blood loss. Don't expect him to be out for hours.

18 May 12:04
Injuries consistent with second fall on stairs? Could be, Dr Tiemensma says.

18 May 12:02
How deep would it have to be to get through skin and tissue? At least 40mm or more, Dr Tiemensma says.

18 May 12:01
Knife wound penetrated skin. He is sturdy. Knife wound not very deep. Would have expected deeper wound for gushing blood.

18 May 12:00
Unlikely that any of the wounds on the body could have resulted in the blood on the stairs.

18 May 11:58

Given Henri's plea explanation and photo of staircase - blood seen - would be area where he fell. Injuries consistent?

No. Superficial abrasions don't cause blood spots like that.

Abrasions to the back are superficial, only involving superficial layer of skin. Wouldn't fit in. His injuries had minimal blood. Won't result in active pooling blood.

18 May 11:56
Head injuries could be blow to face or a fall.

18 May 11:56
Galloway: So injuries on the face, back and leg unlikely to be self-inflicted? Dr Tiemensma confirms.

18 May 11:53
Wounds to back - blunt force and unlikely to be self inflicted.

18 May 11:53
Wounds to the head, swelling and bruise on eye, could be caused by a blow to face or fall. Unlikely self inflicted. 

18 May 11:52

On the stab wounds: I am of the opinion that they are self inflicted, superficial and non fatal.

In stark contrast to the rest of the injuries sustained.

18 May 11:50
Judging shape and size of knife, it was virtually impossible for the knife to have been stuck in any of the stab wounds.

18 May 11:50
Head injuries blunt force, skin in tact. All superficial, non-fatal.

18 May 11:50
 Thorax and abdomen look different, look caused by stabbing action; also superficial.

18 May 11:49

Dr Tiemensma: The cut marks were superficial.

Incisions have even depth, parallel and avoid sensitive areas like nipples.

The forearm wounds in keeping with self inflicted injuries, non lethal, even depth.

Injuries in reachable areas.

18 May 11:44
Two reports: one 12 Feb '15, and another 10 March '15.

18 May 11:43
Knife was also shown to her. She compiled reports on her findings of Henri's injuries.

18 May 11:41
Dr Tiemensma was asked by SAPS and Dr Albertse to examine Henri's injuries.

18 May 11:39
She is medical specialist. She is employed at the Clinical Forensic Unit at Victoria Hospital . Her expertise include pathology. Examines and makes findings in both living and dead.

18 May 11:37

We are back.

Next witness - Dr Marianne Tiemensma.

18 May 11:18

18 May 11:15
Correct spelling is Jonathan Oliphant.

18 May 11:08
Olifant done. Adjournment.

18 May 11:04
Olifant says if fingerprints are wiped off, it won't be found. Also if gloves are used.

18 May 11:03
Responding officer's fingerprints also not found by Olifant at the scene.

18 May 11:02

Botha says the domestic worker let herself in at the side gate that Monday morning, 26 Jan.

Were her fingerprints found?


18 May 11:00
At top of blade, smeared print. Another further down.

18 May 10:58

Botha holds axe and knife - axe facing toward him; knife held at blade, also pointing at him.

Does it fit in with the print?

Olifant does not want to speculate. Olifant says 3 prints found on knife, 2 unidentifiable.

18 May 10:51

Olifant says the axe was sent to fingerprint lab. He can't testify on their behalf. 

If someone wore gloves, we wouldn't find it, Botha asks.

No, Olifant says.

18 May 10:49

Botha says State claims that he touched that axe and attacked people with it.

If he handled it, wouldn't you expect to find a print? His print is on the knife?

18 May 10:47
A number of unidentified fingerprints also found on the car. 

18 May 10:46
Olifant says these were bottles inside a cupboard.  Confirms unidentified.

18 May 10:44
Johnny Walker bottle also had a fingerprint not identified. Also on a bottle of Red Heart Rum bottle.

18 May 10:44
Thought to be a fresh print, as domestic worker had cleaned there that Monday.

18 May 10:44
Other prints also found which were not identified, including two on kitchen table. In the kitchen, a palm print was found. Couldn't be confirmed whose this was.

18 May 10:42
Another print found outside frame of door to bathroom. Someone touched, but print not identified.

18 May 10:41
An unidentified print was found on the patio door of Henri's room. Olifant says it could be a visitor's print.

18 May 10:40
If person didn't sweat enough, no proof will be picked up. Botha says it doesn't exclude that gloved person could have climbed over wall. Olifant agrees.

18 May 10:39
Olifant says you can sweat through a wool glove, but not plastic.

18 May 10:39
Botha says the wall wasn't a smooth texture, like an inside wall. If someone wore gloves, you wouldn't pick it up?

18 May 10:34
Botha now cross examining.

18 May 10:34
If someone climbs over wall and touched it, there would be a mark to show activity.

18 May 10:33
No fingerprints were found on the handle of axe.

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