I didn't lie, Zuma tell Parliament after EFF thrown out - As it happened

2016-05-17 13:55

Get all the details from President Jacob Zuma's latest Parliamentary Q&A which saw the EFF thrown out and Zuma stating he did not lie about the building of security upgrades at his Nkandla home.


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Last Updated at 16:36
17 May 16:47

IN SUMMARY: As has now become apparently customary, as soon as the session began, the EFF jumped up and assured Speaker Baleka Mbete that they would not allow President Jacob Zuma to address MPs. Their argument has been that because of the Concourt's ruling on Nkandla, Zuma should not be allowed to speak in the National Assembly.

Fists flying, hard hats and hang bags flung

They refused to budge on their stance and eventually Mbete ordered that Parliament's protection officers remove them. Scuffles soon ensued, with fists flying, people screaming and hard hats and handbags being flung about. The fight continued outside the chambers where windows were smashed and doors were broken.

EFF leader Julius Malema later told journalists that they've tried the peaceful manner of getting Zuma out of office but that hasn't worked for them, and now they will have to use other methods.

'I didn't lie'

Meanwhile, inside the House Zuma began answering MPs' questions, speaking on the successes and plans for Operation Phakisa, a job creation plan by government.

Then, Zuma took a question from opposition DA leader Mmusi Maimane, who had asked about the Nkandla homestead. Zuma said that  he had already begun building onto the home by the time he became president. He said that government paid for the security upgrades such as the so-called firepool and the amphitheatre. This contradicts Public Protector Thuli Madonsela's finding that these were, in fact, non-security upgrades.

He was further pressed on the matter but didn't deviate from his position.

Mbete announced that the rules committee will be meeting to discuss the latest developments in Parliament.

And that's a wrap.

17 May 16:31
Mbete has promised that Parliament's rules committee will meet.

17 May 16:29
The House has adjourned. MPs have begun exiting the chamber.

17 May 16:28

Steenhuisen: Rules say that after an ejection a report must be placed before a multi-party oversight committee. This wasn't done.

Mbete: Important to clarify that removal of EFF members today was on basis of rules that all parties were involved in formulating .

17 May 16:26
Steenhuisen reminds Mbete that she said he could address her. He raises a concern. Go ahead, she says dryly.

17 May 16:17

NFP MP Khubisa asks what government is doing about corrupt officials? Also some not spending money that is there.

Wherever we find officials doing that, we act on them. If they are discovered acting corruptly, we will take action - Zuma

17 May 16:15
Talking on Vuwani, Zuma says he was not party to the Demarcation Board's consultation on municipalities in the area.

17 May 16:14
Zuma talking about conduct in Parliament and says that those MPs pointing fingers, standing up and down "need help".

17 May 16:13
Zuma: There is something wrong in our society that we need to come together and deal with it. We need to speak in one language.

17 May 16:11
Zuma talking about providing electricity to rural areas, lack of infrastructure was a consequence of the country's history.

17 May 16:02
Zuma: Government continuously engages communities. Minister and DM undertake public meetings to listen to concerns.

17 May 16:00

Zuma says he thinks all political parties agree on working for a more prosperous South Africa, the process is where they diverge.

Now onto the last question.

17 May 15:58
The ANC has said in a statement: The EFF MPs’ violence and general anarchic conduct is utterly disturbing, and parliament must ensure that legal recourse is sought against the party. Today’s malicious damage to parliament’s property by these MPs, whose positions requires them to remain honourable and exemplary to the rest of the society, is particularly troubling in the light of similar destruction of public properties across the country – including schools, universities and clinics.

17 May 15:56
The ANC is calling on Parliament to immediately press criminal charges against EFF MPs for assault of Parliament staff and damage to property.

17 May 15:48

DA's James Selfe now up with a question for Zuma - asks about his Nkandla bond.

Zuma says it was a POT - permission to occupy

Mbete moves swiftly along to question 11.

17 May 15:46
Pilane-Majake for ANC says questions by DA is only to score political points.

17 May 15:46
Zuma - I do not know of any dealings of the Guptas and government. It is not my business.

17 May 15:44
IFP MP Msimang asks if Zuma support calls for Public Protector to look into Gupta business dealings.

17 May 15:42

Zuma says there are 5 issues pointed out by PP - not the homestead.

Zuma: Swimming pool . . . Firepool yes . He is counting the security upgrades in Nkandla.

Even though the ConCourt backed up Madonsela's report which clearly stated that it was NOT a so-called firepool (thus not a security feature) but a mere swimming pool.

I'm telling you, I never lied - Zuma

17 May 15:40
Security features is not building. Lalela. I want to explain that it's clear -  President Zuma

17 May 15:37

I did not lie - Zuma

Your question is deliberately phrased in a misleading way. I said the family built our home, not govt. By the time govt came for extensions, I had already begun on further building - Zuma

By the time I became president, the buildings were up. The first one was at window level...

17 May 15:36

Zuma chuckles as MP heckles: "Why did you mislead us?"

Maimane wants the president to clarify matters of the bond for NKandla.

17 May 15:34
DA leader Mmusi Maimane now. His question is on Nkandla. He starts with a statement by Zuma about how he and his family paid for the homestead and the upgrades (to which opposition MPs shout "lies! Lies!"). So either the ConCourt and PP Madonsela are lying to the people of SA or you are... 

17 May 15:31
Zuma on the transformation of education: There is a process to bring about quality.

17 May 15:27
WATCH: 'The State has power to unleash terror on us' - Malema

17 May 15:22
Broken glass of the windows of Parliament.

17 May 15:17
The chaotic scenes in Parliament earlier when the EFF were kicked out.

17 May 15:15
While Zuma, the odd chuckle breaking his responses, answers questions inside Parliament, riot cops line up outside as EFF supporters look on.

17 May 15:12
Zuma to DA: you must laugh if I'm a joke. Why don't you laugh?

17 May 15:11
Mbete now in an exchange with the DA's John Steenhuisen about whether Zuma answered Breytenbach's question.

17 May 15:09

DA MP Glynnis Breytenbach asks Zuma: Will you apologise to the judiciary?

Zuma: I don't understand the question... I've just answered it. I don't know what is it I must apologise to the chief justice about.

17 May 15:08
Zuma: there are many who are in prison. . perhaps because they don't have even R1 000 to bail themselves out.

17 May 15:05
My party, I trust the judiciary - Zuma

17 May 15:04
Zuma: I trust the judiciary. and my party trusts the judiciary.

17 May 15:04
Riot police look on at EFF supporters outside the Parliamentary gates. Photo by Jenni Evans

17 May 15:02
Zuma says he was advising the traditional leaders that they must not lose cases because they don't have good lawyers.

17 May 15:00
Zuma now answering a question from the ACDP's Kenneth Moshoe on land: If people were to claim for land, it's common knowledge without lawyers it's difficult to win any litigation.

17 May 14:56
Zuma going over what he said at the national house of traditional leaders.

17 May 14:54
Zuma says he has full confidence in the judiciary. He is now on question two.

17 May 14:53
The scene just outside the House

17 May 14:51
Zuma says that the system of apartheid left many South Africans unskilled but he insists that the ANC govt is addressing the problems of the past.

17 May 14:50
Answering the question of unemployment in SA, Zuma tells the DA that it is a global problem.

17 May 14:47
We tried everything peaceful, nothing peaceful is working - Malema

17 May 14:45
We are not laying charges against anyone, we did it before and to date no one has been arrested - Malema

17 May 14:45
Public order police have arrived inside the parliament precinct. EFF supporters are here.

17 May 14:44

Stretcher has come and hon member is safe, Mbete tells the House. Can now proceed.

Malema outside to reporters: The revolution has never been a bed of roses.

17 May 14:43
Malema and EFF MPs speaking to reporters: We will not stop!

17 May 14:42
Mbete asks to suspend session and to allow MPs to stretch their legs.

17 May 14:39

17 May 14:37
Mbete asks for medical personnel to come into Parliament "to assist quickly". Not sure yet for who.

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