ANC: Dalai Lama court bid silly

2011-10-18 19:32

Johannesburg - The application for an order to declare the government's handling of the Dalai Lama's visa request as unlawful is "astonishing silliness", the ANC said on Tuesday.

"The two parties [Inkatha Freedom Party and the Congress of the People] very much know this," the party's Parliamentary caucus said in a statement.

"The decision... is nothing short of astonishing silliness and political shallowness. It is a bizarre publicity tactic..."

The IFP and Cope filed an application in the Western Cape High Court on Monday for an order declaring the government's handling of the Dalai Lama's visa request unlawful and forcing it to treat future applications by him fairly.

The two parties said the state had been widely condemned for its second failure in two years to allow Tibet's spiritual leader to come to South Africa, but this was not enough.

"We cannot allow this wrong to stand. It is a flagrant wrong, repeated twice," said IFP MP Mario Oriani-Ambrosini.

The ANC Parliamentary caucus said it defeated logic for Cope and IFP to run to courts on a matter that they could have raised within Parliament.

"The notion that government has violated the constitution on the Dalai Lama matter is misguided and cannot be backed up by facts," it said.

"Such spurious court actions may win the two parties a few headlines in the media, but they waste courts' time and add unnecessary workload to our already overworked courts."

The caucus said the parties had embarked on this court action regardless of its "frivolity", for the sake of scoring few political points and cheap publicity.

"A court challenge brought about by such motives is bound to fail," it said.

Documents tabled at court on Monday included affidavits by the Dalai Lama's representative for Africa, Sonam Tenzing, explaining how both a visa application in 2009 and another filed in September were frustrated.

The Dalai Lama finally cancelled his trip to South Africa to attend Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu's 80th birthday on October 7.

The government has been accused of bowing to pressure from China, which deems the Dalai Lama a separatist and discourages foreign nations from hosting him.

The IFP brought a court application in 2009 to have the government's decision not to grant the Dalai Lama a visa overturned.

The Western Cape Cape High Court threw out the case and the party then took it to the Constitutional Court, but it has not yet been heard.

The new application would override the earlier one, the IFP said.

The Dalai Lama may apply for a visa for the third time after IFP leader Mangosuthu Buthelezi invited him to attend a prayer meeting on Human Rights Day next March.

  • GetitRight - 2011-10-18 19:42

    The Courts need to be utilized more to counter the foolish decisions of THE MAAIFOEDIES.

      nspaynter - 2011-10-18 19:59

      Court appeals are just so incredibly expensive and shouldn't be necessary. If the ANC were really concerned they would have ensured that the Dalai Lama got his visa on time. But the ANC are also in the appealing game. The ANC are appealing against the court decision that the "shoot the Boer" song is hate speech. Isn't that also a problem? Don't they care that people are hurt and offended by the singing of this song. When the song was sung as "Shoot the white" the other day the ANC should have stood up and made it clear that this kind of hate speech is divisive and cannot be tolerated in a New South Africa.

      msendi - 2011-10-18 20:48

      @nspaynter:… ANC or Government???

      Andrew - 2011-10-18 20:55

      It is a disgrace that we have to go to court to show our arrogant government that they are wrong!!

      nspaynter - 2011-10-18 21:08

      @msendi. For me the government includes Parliament and Parliament had no say in this decision. The article itself mixes government and ANC. In a sense the IFP and Cope are part of Parliament so they are a part of the government. I see the ANC as the chief decision maker here and they should take the blame. And BTW I am not trying to just be anti-ANC. I am anti bad decisions, bearing in mind that there are times that the ANC get things right.

      msendi - 2011-10-18 21:30

      I understand…

  • nspaynter - 2011-10-18 19:43

    Come on, ANC. Why don't you clear the air and give an invitation for the Dalai Lama to visit SA and President Zuma personally, then you're in the clear. It will show that you are not scared on the Chinese government and it will prove beyond a doubt that we are capable of making our own decisions without fear.

  • George - 2011-10-18 19:48

    Use soap Zoomer and come clean

  • Antonio - 2011-10-18 19:53

    And I don't suppose that the endless (publicly funded)legal battles of legions of corrupt ANC politicians and public servants have anything to do with the excessive load on our courts??

  • Aaron - 2011-10-18 20:02

    Not granting the Dalai Lama a visa was astonishingly stupid. A court case to make them account for their actions is not.

  • Brainbow - 2011-10-18 20:04

    It is in the courts where we hear our collective voice.

  • Phumlani - 2011-10-18 20:11

    What is it that we SAfricans gain from Dalai Lama visit? We rather turn against our own Government in support of His Holiness(as they call him)Why??????

      nspaynter - 2011-10-18 20:32

      The "Government" or rather the ANC has created it's own problem by being deceitful. If the visa had been granted on time and without a hassle the government would have been complimented. It would have been a "non-issue" Instead this has been blown up out of all proportion all over the world. When the government or the ANC does something right I support it. In a democracy we have the right, as in any other democratic country, to criticize our government. Pity that right is not available to the People of China. (I did a search on Chinese media and do you know that this issue is not mentioned at all! Censorship!)

      Yar - 2011-10-18 20:33

      Phumlani Our Government needs to understand that it works for the people of SA. Not the other way around. Who does the Government think it is to block Des Tutu's guest. Why does the Government take the side of an evil empire like China against an innocent old man whose country was invaded by the Chinese in 1950. Does our Government only support evil people? Why????????????

      Tony - 2011-10-18 20:34

      Because our own Government are lying nepotistic theiving thugs broo, and on the other hand His holiness is a Peace Laureate who was forcibly removed by the Chinese thugs, and is a religious icon to HIS people even if you are too biggoted to care - brooooooooooo

      Witbooi - 2011-10-18 20:42

      @ Fumlani Look at what we have lost idiot - credibility with the world. Whay do we turn against our government - because they are a weak government, who have achieved little for the poor, and alot for themselves, and to boot have done little for job creation by courting Chinese colonialist policy. Finally - who is the "they" - is they the ANC guvunment or is they you mates or is the they the people who respect the Lama dude? I am inclined to call JZ Sir Shaggalot - cause thats what he is good at. Others call him Showerkop - I am sure you know why --??

  • Peter - 2011-10-18 20:11

    It was the Government's handling of the visa application that was "astonishing silliness" and childish in the extreme. Home Affairs IS CAPABLE of handling a VIP visa application within a few days. How come it collapsed into inertia if it was not acting in bad faith? This may come as a surprise to a lot of civil servants, but the law says they should do their jobs and keep their hands out of the till.

  • Steve - 2011-10-18 20:38

    It was not "astonishing silliness" when the ANC in exile called for sanctions against South Africa. People supported the campaign at great cost and sacrifice. It was done because Apartheid was evil, and immoral. And I think the Dalai Lama in his own way was among the millions of people who may have called for the downfall of the unjust system. It wasn't about money, but morality. If the ANC government didn't do it for the Dalai Lama himself, they could have done it for the Archbishop. But he too got an egg on his face. Talk about silliness. We all know that it was done for money, not morals. It was wrong for Apartheid to oppress black people, but suddenly it is right for the Chinese to oppress Tibetans. The writing is on the wall, yesterday's liberator is slowly evolving into today's oppressor. Tutu's prophecy is not empty.

  • John - 2011-10-18 20:40

    Down with the imperialist chinese communist party, down! Viva the People of China, viva! Down with the chinese imperialist mercenary invasion, down! Viva the People of Xinjiang, viva! Out with the chinese imperialist mercenary army and police, out! Viva the People of Tibet, viva! Out han settler, out! Viva the People of China, viva! Out the han invader troop, out! Viva the People of Xinjiang, viva! Out the han invader policeman, out! Viva the People of Tibet, viva! Boicott China, boicott! Viva the People of China, viva! Sanction China, sanction! Viva the People of Xinjiang, viva! Stop the Baby Genocide, stop! Viva the People of Tibet, viva! We have to support the Chinese People against the Oppression, Exploitation, and Genocide of the Chinese Communist Party. Also we have to support Tibet and Xinjiang against the Occupation, Tirany, Oppression, Exploitation and Genocide of the Chinese Communist Party. Chinese settles, policemen, troops must leave. Tibet for Tibet! Xinjiang for Xinjiang! We have to be militant against the Chinese Communist Party, Ban it, Sanction it, Boycott it. And the government too.

      sabc10 - 2011-10-19 15:15

      down with the racist white settlers down down with the stolen land down down with the brutal white settlers down out the white beneficieries out out the war faring invasive whites out take you child out,out out of africa,out of asia,out of stolen land boycott whites,take the land back,waste no time do it today, we have the support of all western colonised,raped and abused people Genocide of western expansion Genocide of western greed Genocide of western abuse The world free of hypocrisy The world free of hate speech The world free of wars The world free of stealing We have to be assertive against european hypocrisy,boycott it,take it back what was stolen from us. God is on our side. Free the world from hypocrisy and wars One world,one dream

  • John - 2011-10-18 20:42

    “ The Gang of Four Chinese Communist Party members came to power during the Cultural Revolution (1966–76), and were charged with a series of treasonous crimes. The gang consisted of Jiang Qing, Mao Zedong's last wife as the leading figure of the group, and her close associates Zhang Chunqiao, Yao Wenyuan, and Wang Hongwen. In 1980, the trials of the Gang of Four began. Among the prosecution’s charge of actual crimes were the usurpation of state power and party leadership; the persecution of some 750,000 people, 34,375 of whom died during the period 1966-76. It was at this trial that Jiang Qing made the famous quote: "I was Chairman Mao's dog. I bit whomever he asked me to bite." Jiang Qing was sentenced to death in 1981. “ Source Wikipidia. I was inspired to write a song commemorating the death of such evil people: Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs of Mao Tse Tsung! Auss! Auss, Auss! Auss! Auss Auss! Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs of Jiang Qing! Auss! Auss, Auss! Auss! Auss Auss! Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs Gang of Four! Auss! Auss, Auss! Auss! Auss Auss!

      sabc10 - 2011-10-19 15:18

      sabc10 - 2011-10-19 15:31

      Do you live on land that you stole from the locals? Did your fore father abuse and steal resources from locals? Did your forefathers rape local women? Did your forefather rape their domestics? Did your teacher teach you apartheid? Did your forefather teach you that different nationalities werre sucumb of the earth? Did your religion teach you to treat others like you would like to be treated? Have you demonised different races? Have you stereotyped different races? Do you have many assumptions of different nationalities? If you can answer positive to one then you are simply the most evil? You can expect one day to face the music and so will your children?

  • Victor - 2011-10-18 20:54

    The ANC governing this country is silly and a joke. With R100 billion per yearly lost due to corruption and theft. Wow!!

  • Sandy - 2011-10-18 21:03

    Court is the way to go ... they " them all of them " use the courts for delaying tactics etc .. so yes right thinking folk can use the courts to bring them to task .. not that these cretins are going to take any notice ..

  • Donald - 2011-10-18 22:29

    What is really "astonishing silliness " is the ANC's kowtowing to the CCP and for the sake of all in S.A. they should all be sent to their beloved China for the duration,until they have awakened from their undemocratic/arrogant and "astonishing silliness".

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