ANC: No holy cows

2012-06-22 10:49

Johannesburg - There are no holy cows when discussing ANC policy documents, the party's head of policy Jeff Radebe said on Friday.

"There are no holy cows so people, even leaders, have a right to reflect their own views," Radebe said at The New Age business briefing in Sandton.

"However, it will be branches who decide on these matters."

Radebe was reacting to reports that ANC deputy president Kgalema Motlanthe questioned the idea of a "second transition", one of the ANC's main policy discussion documents.

Motlanthe was quoted as saying: "Second transition! Second transition! Second transition! From what? From where to where? What constituted the first transition? What were the tasks of that phase, have all those tasks been accomplished or not?"

Social transformation

According to the report, Motlanthe told a dinner in honour of late intellectual Harold Wolpe that the policy document was packed with "smatterings of Marxist jargon".

The African National Congress will debate the idea as the next step in South Africa's democracy at its policy conference next week.

Radebe said the second transition was about the economy and about social transformation.

"Are we saying we should not focus on improving the quality of lives of our people, are we saying let [the] commanding highs of South Africa's economy continue to be dominated by whites and males?" Radebe asked.

"The answer is no."

He said he believed the majority of South Africans would ensure that the issues of transformation and economic transformation must be a priority.

It must be a key priority for the ANC and those deployed in government, said Radebe.

Succession debates

ANC president Jacob Zuma has promoted the idea of a "second transition", but it has been rejected by the ANC Youth League and the SA Students' Congress, as well as the ANC in Gauteng, Limpopo and the North West.

Radebe and ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe, who was also attending the briefing, were asked whether the debate on who would lead the ANC for the next five years was not influencing policy discussions.

Succession debates have been dominating the media in the lead-up to the ANC's 53rd national conference in Mangaung in December.

Mantashe said the ANC had instructed its branches not to discuss succession or nominate potential leaders so that members could focus more on the policies.

Policy decisions

Radebe said opening nominations so early in the year was premature.

"We still have to tackle the issues of policies, the issues of challenges facing the organisation [ANC]," he said.

"Should we not elect leaders at the end of the day when we have adopted policies, and we can look amongst ourselves at who can now take the ANC to the next level."

The policy decisions made at the policy conference will be discussed and finalised at the national conference in Mangaung.

These policies will form the basis for the ANC government's policies, new laws or amended laws.

  • Ryno - 2012-06-22 10:52

    ANC: only fat holy cows

      Henk - 2012-06-22 10:57

      No the Cadres are the only fat cows!

      mark.haupt.31 - 2012-06-22 11:12

      Beat me to it Ryno - many, many fat cows and roasted chickens and caviar and champers and scotch and mercs and t-shirts and tenders and much hot air.

      christopher.columbus.3950178 - 2012-06-22 11:20

      They have not even begun the first transition...let alone going onto the second transition...

      Castiel - 2012-06-22 11:21

      What a bunch of clowns

      Oom - 2012-06-22 12:37

      So the cat is out of the bag... The ANCYL has influenced the ruling party. As a white ouk, I will continue to be discriminated against. (That only sounds fair if you’re not white...) This government will continue flogging this dead horse till the cows come home. In the mean time, the huge amount of whites in SA that could be assisting with roads, railways etc, will stand by and watch the whole box and dies collapse..This type of stupidity only makes sense to the senseless..pass me a banana..!

      keith.f.murphy - 2012-07-01 16:50

      so what happened with the Holy Cows ?? Oh sorry maybe Zuma had to transfer the Holy Cows to Malemas farm

  • Alf - 2012-06-22 10:53

    What a relief to hear that none oftheir cows are holy!

      poloyatonkim - 2012-06-22 12:00

      Why you people are so negative?

      jennifer.d.martin.750 - 2012-06-22 12:12

      because the ANC have left the people of South Africa in a terrible state and they are lying to the people again Poloyatonkim and the people seem to believe that this is an acceptable way to live. The ANC serve themselves and they are crushing the people they stand on, their voters, voters that are preferred uneducated or they might do more than complain, they may just vote for someone else. Things could have been so different had they actually cared about the people more than their stomaches.

  • jennifer.d.martin.750 - 2012-06-22 10:54

    Holy Cows! see Great big ones who have fattened themselves for the day of slaughter...

  • gerhard.muller.988 - 2012-06-22 10:55

    I'm guessing one holy cow that will not be touched on. I am very sure that one thing that will not be discussed is the rampant corruption amongst all ANC politicians. After all, it is unethical to discuss salaries and "fringe benefits" between staff.

      gerhard.muller.988 - 2012-06-22 11:35

      Wonder if Zuma's new plane will be finalised...

  • Sagin - 2012-06-22 10:58

    If anc and ancyl supporters had any brains( which they obviously do not) they would be ashamed. I am sick of you fools and your empty promises. You are liars, thieves, murderers and racists. Never in the history of the world have so many scumbags been united under one name.

      gary.wilby.18 - 2012-06-22 12:19

      Well said, couldn't agree with you more!!!!

  • logical007 - 2012-06-22 11:05

    HOLY COW never read so much bull in my entire life!!!

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  • Jan - 2012-06-22 11:10

    Is it acceptable to refer to female ANC cadres as cows? Whether holy or not?

  • Mark - 2012-06-22 11:24

    ''Reflecting their own views'' This guy is lying through his teeth. Zuma said that the comrades should speak the same language otherwise there is no room for them. Two Members of the ANC recently refused to be part of the Information Bill. Attempts were made to discipline them. Remember when Mr Manuel sat on the stadium with an All Black jersey. If Mr Radebe honestly think that the people are fools he should think again. I think he is party to a group of fools who does not even know how to govern. What they have achieved in 18 years was to create more unemployment, more croniasm, more corruption and self enrichment for a few comrades.

      mteshie - 2012-06-22 12:40

      what have you created in the past 48 year Baffoon!

      Joubs1957 - 2012-06-22 12:47

      @ mteshi: What we created has all been destroyed: Good hospitals, good schools, the best defence force in Africa, good policing (safety and security, good roads, good railways...... shal I go on you Bananafarian????

      Sagin - 2012-06-22 13:04

      Mteshie, You are so ignorant! That thing you see in the mirror is a baffoon. go play with your toti, its all you good at anyway

      brandon.wilson.5891 - 2012-06-22 13:09

      @Joubs1957 you are correct to say that you have created all those things but what you omitted to say was that which was created was for an selected few only. The fach that the cANCer came and messed even that up does not justify the fact that people like me was 2nd class citizens under the apartheid rule.

      ramohapelwa.berries - 2012-06-22 13:37

      Lies. When I listen to some members of ANC NEC

  • johan.maree.5036 - 2012-06-22 11:25

    "These policies will form the basis for the ANC government's policies, new laws or amended laws."- Its really scary that one political party (I think they got around R4 - 5 million votes) makes laws/amend laws and policies for 50 million people... Shouldn't this be done in parliament where the entire country is represented?

  • George - 2012-06-22 11:27

    Maybe that cow will get "mad cow desease"

  • sizwe.bwana - 2012-06-22 11:32

    Winnie was convicted but never went to jail, what's that?

      ramohapelwa.berries - 2012-06-22 13:08

      It's the law Sizwe. Hands off Winnie. She suffered, raised kids alone, banned to Brandfort. Apartheid spies deserved what they got. It's bull to want freedom fighters becoming fugitives in their own countries after acquisition of freedom.

      ramohapelwa.berries - 2012-06-22 13:08

      It's the law Sizwe. Hands off Winnie. She suffered, raised kids alone, banned to Brandfort. Apartheid spies deserved what they got. It's bull to want freedom fighters becoming fugitives in their own countries after acquisition of freedom.

  • Tony Lapson - 2012-06-22 11:40

    I don't understand the whole "whites dominating the economy" statement. Are they talking about local whites or international investors? The top richest men in south Africa aren't white... The international investors are from different nationalities and are bringing money into the country...

      rasthami.m1 - 2012-06-22 12:13

      Well lack of knowledge is dangerous buddy-mining sector not even 5% are made of blacks -agriculture dominated by whites- civil construction whites are dominants -jse ceos whites -need I say more

      Tony Lapson - 2012-06-22 12:42

      Jse CEO's ... Fair enough Agriculture... No longer true. There are more black farmers now, but the white ones are more productive

      Tony Lapson - 2012-06-22 12:44

      Mining sector is mostly foreign. Last time I checked, aurora had a black CEO... But I guess he sunk himself do now all that is left are the white ones and foreigners.

      shaun.cousins1 - 2012-06-22 13:01

      Tony can't you see these fools are stuck in the past.....they can't get beyond that, their little minds can't think like ours. I recon the top investors are the chinese which are classified as BEE in other words "black"

      rasthami.m1 - 2012-06-22 13:08

      That's where you wrong foreign ivestment doesn't mean any possession -from coal ,platinum ,gold domination are the whites -aurora had problems meeting up with the terms of existance its defunct was brought by its inability to live above its creditors worth -in agriculture how many are there established black farmers I'm not talking about micro farmers I'm referring to medium farmers to macro farmers -farmers who are reffered to as food chain securers in the economy of south africa

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-06-22 13:12

      Tony, Idi Amin blamed the Indians, why do you think the ANC won't blame the whites?. They have nothing else, except themselves to blame and how do you sell that to an impoverished, half literate group of people voting you into office every time?. That the richest people are black, is not going to go down well amongst the water logged shacks is it?.

      rasthami.m1 - 2012-06-22 13:20

      Well shaun personally as an individual I really think your mind is incapable of generating anything creative it processes nolstagic superior mindset that your forefather falsely inculcated in you and it has made you an airhead

  • rickvcooper - 2012-06-22 11:40

    When it comes to the ANC there are not holy cows - there are only fat corrupt ones.

  • jackal666.daniel - 2012-06-22 11:42

    Seriously can't believe people still vote for these idiots!

      Joubs1957 - 2012-06-22 12:54

      Go check out jwarha or something`s quote above - these are the idiots voting for the idiots - all a bunch of bananafarians. Uneducated poor people now wnt to be farmers? asseblief tog man!!!!!

      Oom - 2012-06-22 15:34

      They vote for them because they have the brains of sheep...

  • Hermann - 2012-06-22 11:48

    No holy cows, of course not, because there is no clear leadership, anything goes including racism, destruction and crime.

  • Pieriewaaier - 2012-06-22 11:57

    No holy cows? Ahem...what's her name again?...O Yes! Winnie something or other, I seem to recall. And there are others too collecting lunch and breakfast at Parliament meetings. What a dump!

  • sizwe.bwana - 2012-06-22 12:02

    wrong, ANC stands for all nice cows

      Pieriewaaier - 2012-06-22 12:17

      Nice one: ANC= All Nice Cows! But 'nice' of course subject to interpretation.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-06-22 12:20

      You guys are wrong. ANC stands for All Nice Cars (especially if they are from Germany with blue lights to boot)

  • Gavin - 2012-06-22 12:03

    The ANC can't even find it's own ass with a mirror on a stick.

  • themba.thwala.98 - 2012-06-22 12:04

    Two policies were put in place to effect transformation of the apartheid race based economy. This took the form of the Broad-based Black Economic Empowerment Act, as well as the Employment Equity Act. The BBBEE Act was intended to transform the economy in terms of opening access to business opportunities to the previously disadvantaged. To facilitate that, businesses (white and black companies) that sought to do any business with the government were required to have a significant shareholding by blacks (Indians, Coloureds and Africans). But white businesses co-opted only the highly connected politicians. Similarly, only connected black politicians are able to do business with the government. That's how BBBEE failed and is continuing to fail.\r\n\r\nIn the job market, white companies were required to implement employment equity by deracialising their workforces and giving QUALIFIED blacks (as defined) opportunities and those who showed potential to work. This work to varying degrees. In other cases, incompetent blacks were appointed. That is how EE failed and is continuing to fail.\r\n\r\nHad those policies been properly implemented, we'd probably be talking about sunset clauses by now. But no, instead of fixing what they allowed to go wrong, the ANC wants to develop more policies to fix other policies. I rest my case.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-06-22 12:29

      Can the tiksters (high on tik) who ticked/clicked `not like` now come up with their counter~arguments so we can debate instead of abusing tik and taking the easy way out? Lol

  • annelize.andrews - 2012-06-22 12:04

    Even if I do believe that holy cows make the best mince, ANC no holy cows seems to also include anything Mandela really stood for. Then again what gov in the world stands for what Mandela did. The 1st world is just as corrupt as S.A. there just much much better at hiding it. If the 99% here stays divided regardless of race complaining about the "new players in power" here trying to get their shot at the super privledge of the 1%. Why be so suprised it is the world model. Dividing and distracting the 99% is only how it gets accomplished.

  • mark.haupt.31 - 2012-06-22 12:19

    Hmm Jeff, would be careful about slinging terms like holy cows around - they might get stolen, or broken. On this second transition/transformation thing you have going now, perhaps you could transform yourselves into a competent government or even better into an opposition party. Just a thought.

      mondli.maluleka - 2012-06-22 13:10

      I think the anc lead gov is doing just fine if you don't like it shame coz these policy they gonna be dicussing will become reality in the next years to come so like it or not we rule!!!!

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-06-22 13:18

      Mondli, you will rule as long as the masses don't turn on you. Khadaffi also thought he would rule forever, so did Mubarak. Enlighten us, where are they today?. Start telling the people that there isn't enough money for pensions and free houses and see where your government leads you to. Tbe only thing is, you will be sitting here and they will be sitting in Switzerland enjoying the money in their secret bank accounts, stolen from, me, you and everyone else.

  • Allan - 2012-06-22 12:31

    After 18 years in government the ANC is still trying to see how they can take wealth from white males forgetting the fact that they are paying the bulk of the income tax benefiting everyone. The focus must be on baking more pie's and not dividing the existing pie into ever decreasing parts. Thanks to the incompetence of the past 18 years we do not have the electricity, ports, railways, water ...... to be able to think of expanding business so the focus is now on taking from the haves and giving to the have not's and believing that it will all continue to work happily ever after. We have all seen the ANC only knows about thinking up grand plans but has no clue in executing on anything. Stop reading Marx and try a bit of Buffett.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-06-22 13:21

      Allan take wealth from white males?. White females don't count?. Or are they too busy baking the pies?.

      Allan - 2012-06-22 15:22

      Jacqui - according to Radebe its "white and male" so in ANC land females don't seem to be considered to have wealth? Interesting how they dream up who has the wealth and who does not.

  • - 2012-06-22 12:33

    Holy cow...Winnie?

      ramohapelwa.berries - 2012-06-22 13:18

      Bcos you are BIG SEXY SAINT? Or a farmer with herds of cows? O tlwaela Winnie hampe.

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  • triffie.vorster - 2012-06-22 12:46

    You mean sacred cows?? otherwise we might think you are referring to knitted Jerseys!! ha-ha

  • alfie.dunn - 2012-06-22 12:58

    @John...Once again let me remind you that you are the one's that feel inferior to the whites, their achievements and accomplished facts. Although we are the base on balls... The masterpieces of everything you see and want for free, because you dont have the slightest clue about achievement and success. White Supremacy is just another word you have learned to speak about without knowing exactally what its meaning is....Is it not true that you support Black Supremacy and Anarchy. A state of lawlessness and disorder usually resulting from a failure of government.

  • matthews.bantsijang - 2012-06-22 12:58

    Second transition! Second transition! Second transition! Amandla!!!

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-06-22 12:59

    I thought the second transition was about the second coming!!!!!!

  • helmut.smrz - 2012-06-22 13:02

    Wy work your selves up, there will be always the same .You put a name to it

  • helmut.smrz - 2012-06-22 13:06

    He radebe wy single the cows out.The whole anc is a cattle ranch

  • Oom - 2012-06-22 13:31

    go read this..Rage at boiling point after farm murder..very scary..

  • ernest.lwandle - 2012-09-02 20:16

    only the pigs

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