ANC: Second transition concept welcomed

2012-06-28 13:28

Johannesburg - ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu denied reports on Thursday that the second transition proposal had been rejected by most provinces during the party's policy conference in Midrand.

"We will not even talk about it [reports] because it is just nonsense. All that we know is that people might be saying 'why don't we use another name', but the concept of what we need to do is most welcomed [by delegates]," he said on the sidelines of the conference on Thursday.

"Again, the media really likes to sensationalise, because... we are all saying that there needs to be a drastic decision to move away from the status quo. We are in agreement, but as to what we call that is neither here nor there."

‘Media a useful fool’

He said it was pre-emptive for unnamed sources to guess what the commissions might report back on regarding policy debates.

"Not all of them have reported, so it will be wrong for anybody to say that there is this view [on the second transition].

"There must be some people with other agendas, who are throwing all these unfounded allegations in the media. Now the media in this instance also becomes a useful fool."

Business Day newspaper reported on Thursday that the rejection was a "setback for Zuma", but Mthembu questioned the media's interpretation.

He told SAfm that several media had suggested that "this shows a rejection of the president before Mangaung", referring to the ANC's elective conference to be held in Mangaung, in the Free State, in December.

"How does that come in?" asked Mthembu.

‘Inappropriate concept’

He said the second transition proposal was not Zuma's proposal, but was an ANC discussion document.
Business Day reported that "virtually all commissions" had rejected the second transition discussion document as theoretically poor.

According to unattributed notes quoted in the newspaper, delegates wrote: "While the reasons behind reference to a second transition were understandable, the concept is inappropriate, and does not convey the movement's theorisation of the process of social transformation".

The Star newspaper quoted ANC national executive committee members as saying all commissions at the conference had rejected the second transition proposal.

Beeld newspaper quoted Congress of SA Trade Unions general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi as saying he felt people's opposition to the second transition was "justified".

"Everybody is talking about the second transition. Some people are opposed to it, which in my opinion is completely justified. But it's of crucial importance for us to emerge from this conference with a radical policy change," he told the Afrikaans daily newspaper.

Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe is also believed to oppose the idea of a second transition.

The first transition

A document on the second transition is one of the ANC's 13 policy documents under discussion at the four-day conference.

Zuma said in opening the conference on Tuesday that the second transition would make the country a "true democratic developmental state... which has a number of instruments it can use to facilitate change".

The first transition was still important because it had ushered in an era of democracy in South Africa.
"The time has come to do something more drastic to accelerate change towards economic transformation and freedom."

Zuma asked delegates to discuss the notion of a second transition when dealing with the strategy and tactics document.

"It is time to ask questions about the present and future... the last 18 years was the first transition. We are calling for a dramatic shift... to deal with the triple challenge[s] of poverty, unemployment and inequality," he said.

  • Raymond - 2012-06-28 13:37

    Repeat story, News 24. Please put some NEWS on for a change.

      Henri - 2012-06-28 13:41

      the african way, dont you know that ? copy and paste and say, yo yo yo baas i worked so hard now, need some lunch now

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-06-28 13:46

      The ANC are just useless. 18 years in government and South Africa is still not a successful democracy. They'll debate, discuss and engage for another 200 years, and they will still be clueless

      gieljam.gomtor - 2012-06-28 14:29

      Nothing new said just the same old rhetoric making all sic and especially the economy.

      shudusO - 2012-06-28 14:30

      "Useless tool" is it the media or the ANC? ...

  • sbu.mahwai - 2012-06-28 13:44

    Now its been accepted, funny how things can quickly change (from questioned to welcomed just like that). News24 kindly get your facts right before reporting on another transition nonsense

      Tony Lapson - 2012-06-28 14:22

      Media is their enemy. They expose things that would rather be buried. Why wouldn't someone release false statements themselves and later deny and blame simply to discredit?

  • peter.ndamase - 2012-06-28 13:45

    "Useful fool"..... lol. The very same media reported your irresponsible behaviour in Cape town Mr Mthembu. The same media gave you a platfom to air your side of the story when the ANC wanted to fire you three years ago. The same media that you run to when you want to spin ANC's way out of trouble. So you are a useless fool....

      bradebe2 - 2012-06-29 00:34

      But that doesn't mean that he should be submissive to them

  • castro.anzi - 2012-06-28 13:46

    Zuma must be stopped to continue grudge with the League only for him to endorse its idea of radical economic change without acknowledgement

      salani.hulela - 2012-06-28 15:06

      So right castroman he is stealing our ideas, that domkap he must go to noord taxi rank and be a taxi driver!!!

  • castro.anzi - 2012-06-28 13:47

    There indeed nothing new or less of what the ANCYL has been demanding that Zuma spoke of, except that with him there is clear ideological confusion & intellectual dishonesty as to how radical economic policy will take shape

      jeffrey.jones.357 - 2012-06-28 14:38

      Zuma doesn't have an "intellect" to confuse.

  • BlaqMe - 2012-06-28 13:48

    Nonsense is song that you created "Dont buy City Press dont buy"! It is true that the so called second transition is rejected, we know and you cant change it! Anyway we know it hurts to see your plans failing! But waking up in the morning, running to the radio stations, imposing yourself on air to try and hide the truth is not ayoba, and will never be!

  • lulama - 2012-06-28 13:49

    Zuma my leader, VIVA Sir. Forward to second term, second transition and second coming (ANC will rule till Jesus comes)

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-28 13:59

      All this coming makes me think you're a bunch of w**kers.

      tsietsi.mshengu - 2012-06-28 14:18

      Lulama you are such a bimbo. You are not engaging with the issues on the article. Uyaphaphalaza nje. Uyanhlanhlatha. Moron!

      lulama - 2012-06-28 14:27

      @tsietsi ibimbo ngunyoko

      gieljam.gomtor - 2012-06-28 14:37

      Uzama You score no points here you are at the wrong congress ...

      boltonbarry - 2012-06-28 15:19

      And they ANC will oppress their own people's educational freedom and keep them dumbed down so that they can line their pockets till Jesus comes too

  • mzondistanley - 2012-06-28 13:52

    Owners of these Newspapers or Media outlets are not Black nor people from previously disadvantaged Groups, all i say is Do not call Blach colour as white and Yellow as Green, instead call a spade a spade.!! There is Freedom amoungst Black to the extent of One man one Vote but ( out of every 10 Black people are not only poor but unemployed which means lack of access to economic means for self sustainance!!! Political Freedom without Economic freedom is not enough because Poor Blacks do not EAT Political Slogans but food bought with RAND or Dollar!!! So Give Blacks in Rural areas Economic opportunities through this Conference!!

      patrick.eley.3 - 2012-06-28 14:17

      Is unemployment the fault of the employer or the employee ?

      gieljam.gomtor - 2012-06-28 14:40

      Stanley ure not completely right there are a number of news papers and magazines with black empowerment ,but they are afraid to speak their mind because of intimidation and protests

      jeffrey.jones.357 - 2012-06-28 14:41

      That's almost exactly what PW Botha said:"You can't eat a vote".

      Henk - 2012-06-28 14:41

      But they vote for Political Slogans for instance, "Second transition..." Go figure!

      wwjdrevolution.newtestament - 2012-06-28 15:01

      "Black people are not only poor but unemployed which means lack of access to economic means for self sustainance!!!" Just wonder how your going to fit 45 000 000 Black people into 4 000 000 Jobs. It seems to me this has got more to do with a racism Motive or a lack of Mathematical sense!

      Rob - 2012-06-28 18:18

      "Owners of these Newspapers or Media outlets are not Black nor people from previously disadvantaged Groups" - LOL! Wow but you are ignorant @$$ aren't you? Have you never heard of Nutrend Publishers, Mafube Publishing, STE publishers, On digital media (TopTV), Avusa. Go steal a property you dumb sh1t

  • sika.ncamane - 2012-06-28 13:52

    The Media should stop being so obsessed with the ANC.

  • vuyani.zondi - 2012-06-28 13:55

    Why must we believe this fool mthembu his not on sober senses don't you see he's trying to defend fail ideas of his master.

  • peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-06-28 13:56

    I am going through a 2nd transition myself. Takes a bit to get used to, but one gets to accept the "hang" of it after a while.Doctor says I should have made full use of the oppertunities during the 1st transition while I had the chance.

  • wikus.schalkwyk - 2012-06-28 13:56

    useful fool? whats that?

      peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-06-28 14:11

      Thats the problem I have with my second transition....NO USEFULL TOOL !

  • leon.smit.1217 - 2012-06-28 13:59

    From twitter: first transition = kids burns government school books second transition = government burns kids school books..

      Henk - 2012-06-28 14:42


      jeffrey.jones.357 - 2012-06-28 14:42

      Nice one Leon, had a real chuckle at that, it's either chuckle or drown in the depths of despair.

  • castro.anzi - 2012-06-28 14:00

    It is revealing how this idiot called Zuma would do anything to be re-elected in Mangaung. He went to the podium just to endorse, without acknowledgement, all what the League has been demanding just for all to believe it is only him who has right to review compromising CODESA negotiations & call for radical economic policies. As always this serial polygamist with irreparably damaged reputation plays on people's emotions during elections season. What makes mockery of his usual rhetoric is that, according to him, all these will be possible without nationalization & constitutional review. Radical language is used to support moderate policy proposals. In reality Zuma has been pressurized to stop giggling and loving nice times & treat issues with urgency. All he did was to put on the table proposals that won’t fundamentally change apartheid economic structure and will simply need a response from those who own wealth Fortunate enough, we have rejected this charm dictatorial politics in the commissions and we are reaffirming the FREEDOM CHARTER as the political framework for radical socio-economic change. As alwys, argued, the League of the ANC must never stop calling for radical challenges as this increase the bar of debates about appalling socio-economic conditions & compel all concerned to seek urgent solutions. We won't be charmed by Zuma empty rhetoric this time around - his time is over!

      sika.ncamane - 2012-06-28 14:05

      you said a mouth full

      peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-06-28 14:14

      sika.ncamane. Thats what Monica Levinsky told Bill Clinton. It seems presidents are quite well know to stuff many things in different ways. Sorry, stuff things up.

      vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-06-28 14:35

      Hmmm, so you are calling for nationalisation of mines/banks and land-grabs then? And you clearly want a sterner ANC leader to do the deed. So who do you suggest?

      jeffrey.jones.357 - 2012-06-28 14:45

      Reaffirming the Freedom Charter. Sounds like back to the future to me. You want to go back 60 years in order to progress? Now that's progress for you,

      zacharia.sibanyoni - 2012-06-28 15:05

      That is how peace time heros think, when we foght aparheid they were spactators, today they know it all. they are disrespectful, ill-disciplene and arrogant

      colin.dovey - 2012-06-28 15:20

      @sika - most of us are gatvol

      corrynkearnsgow - 2012-07-02 13:41

      The ANC, Zuma and his cronies have made really bad choices and they have had far too long to mess with things!!! Perhaps the time is nigh and they should all be looking for jobs before the next general election.

  • martin.britchford.5 - 2012-06-28 14:16

    MORE YADA YADA from the peanut gallery, the anc can say what they like, we all know they cant follow through on anything they say anyway,

  • Shaun - 2012-06-28 14:18

    Jackson, in your own words 'a drastic decision to move away from the status quo' is admittance of EPIC FAILURE! Thank you very much, now can we actually deal with what South Africa really needs iro transformation???

  • Henk - 2012-06-28 14:38

    One Johnny blue later and the agree to accept the new transition!!!!

  • gavin.taylor.79 - 2012-06-28 14:38

    It's like the second coming in Christianity.... Some believe it will happen soon, while others believe the first coming didn't happen at all. I know one thing for sure. There are many of those, both in Christian circles and in the ANC, who are gonna be bitterly disappointed when the pawpaw hits the fan.

  • david.wolpert.39 - 2012-06-28 14:47

    "second transition new growth path pass one pass all rdp" Who makes up these childish and meaningless slogans? Are kids running the show?

  • castro.anzi - 2012-06-28 14:48

    "media a useful fool" a sign of bitterness indeed. We have just rejected that "second transition" confusion & put matters is a correct ideological perspective - we are tired of a serial polygamist who during election seasons want to say everything that appeals to the emotions of the deprived yet nothing happen after that except seeing people marrying endlessly, giggling, and getting obsessed with nice times - this time around we say to ZumGwede - you have tried stealing the call by the ANCYL for radical economic change but as you did that you exposed your ideological confusion & lack of political will to remove obstacles

      zacharia.sibanyoni - 2012-06-28 15:24

      I think you need an intensive political education, if you really are an anc member. if you are not, then continue with your verbal diarrhia

      wwjdrevolution.newtestament - 2012-06-28 15:56

      Everybody knows that Mandela was a communist... Whats your point!???

  • thabo.swafo - 2012-06-28 14:55

    No to zumas ideology of second transition.There is nothing better opinion that zuma can offer than of a clever Kgalemas opinion.Kgalema is an inetllectual and zuma is empty tin who just learnt everything during the struggle.On the issues of economy,you need to think tactical,and what the tactical opinion that zuma can go through?because even at the BRICKS meetings he just be there as the window dresser.

  • zacharia.sibanyoni - 2012-06-28 14:58

    South African media is the biggest opposition to the anc, not the DA, ffplus, cope etc. So I'm not suprise by thier misinformation campaign, where the anc policy conference is concern, cdes must not rely on the media for the information on the outcome of the anc national policy conference, they should visit anc webside or read the new age and the Sunday independent for information. the rest of them are going to mislead you, that is what they live for where the anc is concern.

      wwjdrevolution.newtestament - 2012-06-28 15:09

      "they should visit anc webside or read the new age and the Sunday independent for information. the rest of them are going to mislead you, that is what they live for where the anc is concern." HAHAHAHAHAHA . Oh man, this just once again explains the mentallity we have to deal with on a daily basis! Maybe if it was a country where you had to get appointed for a job not based on colour but merit the media would not even have nationalisation articles running! ANC.. What a bunch of communists and fools! The Koi San definately has more commen sence then you guys! Lunatics

      thabo.mabena.106 - 2012-06-28 18:27

      THat is true cadre. I agree with you

      castro.anzi - 2012-06-28 18:44

      Can you imagine running around convincing people to vote for ANC led by a serial husbandist and a fool Zuma is? we deserve better & shall continue to defy & reject ZumGwede till Mangaung - He must go back to Inkandla, concetrate on giggling & chawing purunyakas - after all he is idiot

  • wwjdrevolution.newtestament - 2012-06-28 15:03

    "Black people are not only poor but unemployed which means lack of access to economic means for self sustainance!!!" Just wonder how your going to fit 45 000 000 Black people into 4 000 000 Jobs. It seems to me this has got more to do with a racism Motive or a lack of Mathematical ability! Story of South Africa - Incompetency

      zacharia.sibanyoni - 2012-06-28 15:19

      yes, they are that because of your aparheid government policies, remember job resevertion, influx control act, immorality act, seperate development and many other satanic policies and acts your racist government.

      wwjdrevolution.newtestament - 2012-06-28 15:33

      My appartheid policies ! ?? Thats interesting! I understand why they did it, to controll a bunch of Lunatics! You are inferior and always will be! The whole of Africa is proof of that like ZIMBABWE! Show me one African country that has equal human rights ! Planet of the Apes if you ask me! Bunch of communists that still havent learned to eat pap with a spoon... WHITE MAN WILL ALWAYS BE THE " BAAS" ! Good luck

  • wwjdrevolution.newtestament - 2012-06-28 15:25

    No White man... No more economy, no more peace, no more food, no more Health system, NO MORE VALUES. THESE BUNCH OF DEMON POSSESED, USELESS, IRRESPONSIBLE, UNEDUCATED,CORRUPT, IMMORAL, FOOLS, LUDICROUS, PARRASITE, UNCULTURED, PESTCIDE, IGNORANT AND IRRATIONAL..... HUMAN BEINGS should sink this country within the next 10 years! IM SORRY ...IM JUST BEING MODEST

      stshingana - 2012-06-28 16:55

      Why are you so angry?

  • wwjdrevolution.newtestament - 2012-06-28 15:44

    The black nation will always be a destructive one... ! Just look at the Zimbabwe or no wait the whole of AFRICA!!! Not one country in our whole continent where Blacks are self-sustaining ! Now that they have chaised away all White farmers from Zimbabwe they have hunger... You blacks are most propably the biggest and the worst proof for Evolution as you symbolize negative evolution! Thinnest book ever wrote... Black inventions!

      wwjdrevolution.newtestament - 2012-06-28 15:45

      Oh no sorry!!!!!!! You mastered the art of Murder, Rape, Theft and Bribery.....................

  • Joseph - 2012-06-28 15:46

    Whether the commisions accept it or not, it (second transition document) is still not going to make any change/difference to the poor blacks in this country. The primary purpose of the document is to secure JZ a second term. There are many economic related resolutions that were taken at ANC policy conferences in the past and nothing happened. So, what will make this work? Obviously no compeling reason. ANC policy conference is a mere political power show-off. Klaar!!

      wwjdrevolution.newtestament - 2012-06-28 15:53

      I think its more the Pap and food thats available at these functions that attract them to a conference! Bunch of Barbarians!

      wwjdrevolution.newtestament - 2012-06-28 15:54

      I just love AIDS statistics! Always will!

  • sidney.gilroy - 2012-06-28 15:58

    Third Transition : Inverted Apartheid.

  • triumphant.voice.58 - 2012-06-28 16:19

    If you read between the lines, the discussion about the second transition is really Zuma looking for a second / third term. Look at it from the perspective that he knows the 18 ANC dominance has not given the more radial elemnts what they wanted. Too many of their voters have not got what they wanted and this is regardless of the fact that they did not work for it - they just did not get it, it wasn't handed out to them. So this second transition is an ideology or double speak to cirtically / politically wipe the slate clean for the last 18 years and start again. If it's accepted as policy or as an ideology then it would become politically incorrect to hold the 1st transition against the ANC, since thay achieved the 1st transition goals and are now on the 2nd transition. It's propaganda, and in any case this policy meeting seems more like a power consolidation exercise for Zuma. If business people have to pay to meet and eat with a Civil Servant, my word what next!

  • dawn.phetoane - 2012-06-28 16:39

    i thank Zuma vely gud pheson and be givan a chanze. why all the insalt and the speeear now he spiks of sekond thyme and pupols khomplane. Sut Afrika relaks and give wyte male a chanze the caontry wil be OK. my take whats yours?

  • gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-06-28 16:43

    The 2nd transition is a non-event. When there is a problem you have an indaba. Then they think everything is sorted out and go home. NOTHING GETS DONE.

  • jeanpierre.dumont - 2012-06-28 16:45


  • sarel.koen - 2012-06-28 16:55

    See Lood's comment in Beeld today. Lood probeer steeds vasstel wat hierdie “tweede oorgang” nou eintlik is. Die tema “alles is wit mans se skuld” is klaarblyklik ’n belangrike komponent daarvan, maar dít maak nie eintlik daarvan iets veel anders as die eerste oorgang nie, of hoe? Hier is hoe Lood die ding sien: In die slegte ou dae was daar in elke dorp in die land ’n wit deel en ’n deel wat nié wit was nie. Breedweg het dinge in die wit deel goed gewerk, maar die res was chaoties. Toe kom die eerste oorgang, wat die situasie reggestel het deur die chaos ook na die wit deel uit te brei. Die uitsondering was die beste straat in die voormalige wit deel, waar mense van alle kleure toe agter hoë mure gaan woon het sodat die res van die dorp se inwoners nie kon sien hoe goed dit met die nuwe getransformeerde klasse gaan nie. Sou die tweede oorgang behels dat die dele agter die hoë mure ook be-chaos gaan word?

  • cirrus11 - 2012-06-28 23:19

    Yes,I am also busy with my Second Million, the First one was a screw-up !

  • reinhildheimo.bohmer - 2012-06-29 05:38

    ?"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for,that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it." ~ Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931-2005

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