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ANC accused of 'ramming through' tolls bill

2012-11-20 22:34

Cape Town - ANC members on Parliament's transport portfolio committee were accused on Tuesday of trying to "ram through" the transport laws and related matters and amendment bill.

"They have pulled every trick in the book to get it through Parliament so that the e-tolls can be implemented urgently," Democratic Alliance member Ian Ollis said.

"Thursday is the final day that Parliament can vote on bills in 2012 - clearly, the government is rushing this process to get it done in time," he said.

Only 18 submissions on the bill were received from the public, and only three indicated they wanted to make oral presentations to the committee.

Cosatu and the SA Local Government Association made their presentations to the committee on Tuesday, but Business Unity SA was unable to make a presentation "due to the short notice and urgency with which the ANC is conducting the process".

Ollis said there was not enough time left for the committee to properly deliberate on proposals made.

The DA intended to raise the issue with the committee chair and request that the debate on the bill be postponed until next year, so that the committee had adequate time to take into account the public's submissions and make the necessary changes to the bill, he said.

According to a memorandum attached to the bill, its provisions are essential to implement e-tolling and the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project (GFIP), as well as other proposed road infrastructure projects in the country.

Comments
  • mark.a.fysh - 2012-11-20 22:46

    Sounds like gvt is going kamikaze. What a stupid move it will be if they succeed. Do the ANC actually want the DA to win in 2014?

      junaid.vanderwalt - 2012-11-20 23:36

      Congress of COSATU, 1994 - Nelson Mandela said "If the ANC does to you what the apartheid government did to you, then you must do the ANC what you did to the apartheid government".

      roger.kaputnick.90 - 2012-11-21 00:34

      They are desperate to get their dirty hand on more public money so they can finance more palaces.

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-11-21 01:43

      roger - or pay due money because they over-spent money they never had. Now their suppliers/creditors demand money and they haven't got it!

      guy.rice - 2012-11-21 05:49

      It was horrifying at the e-Toll briefing where SANRAL admitted to wanting to price the poor off the roads. They also admitted that not all information is public by refusing to release OUTA from the NDA it had to sign to see the tender documentation and contract with ETC. Help us get 2,000 signatures: http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Freedom_of_access_to_information/ If you need wording to object to e-Tolling send to mphahlet@dot.gov.za Dear Sir, I wish to lodge my objection to e-Tolling: 1) SANRAL has spent a large amount of money advertising the registration process for e-Tolls but has spent very little on informing the public about where and when the public consultative processes would take place. In my opinion the pubic consultations are a sham and are too little too late. 2) I have no objection to paying for the upgrade to Gauteng roads. The method of collecting the money via e-Tolling is too expensive and the fuel levy should rather be used. 3) As a member of the public I would like to see the agreement with the Electronic Tolling Collection company made public. SANRAL committed on national television to make complete disclosure to COSATU and the DA. SANRAL handed over some of the contracts to COSATU only and had blanked out much of the information. As a member of the public, I cannot make an informed decision around the fairness of e-Tolling as SANRAL has not been transparent and has not communicated all relevant information on the matter to the public.

      jan.vanniekerk.52 - 2012-11-21 06:46

      It's not enough for every government department to receive money from taxes - no, each department agency and tender recipient of agencies needs to have authority to impose taxes of their own. Tax the beloved country. They did it with the e-natis system where we are paying tax to the private company that developed the system, and that was such fun they vastly expanded it.

      anakin.skyvader.9 - 2012-11-21 07:58

      @Ricey : Thx, actioned both as per your comment. Thx for info!

      Johannvw13 - 2012-11-21 08:24

      The ANC is not only ramming through till bill but they are also ramming our beloved country into the ground. If i could just ask Mr.Mandela one question before he dies, "Is this what you have fought for, is this really what you wanted?"

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-21 08:33

      Well - I predict that the Toll Roads will be the final nail in the coffin of the anc. When Cosatu joins forces with all Toll road users and affliated groups. compaies, employers etc etc - the toll roads will become unusable, and Govt will have to back down with even more egg on their faces. Watch this space..... 30 Nov Gauteng freerways ....Tata ma Pres.

  • kyle.mclaren1 - 2012-11-20 22:49

    Ofcourse. These tyrants have their pensions tied up in this scheme so it's another case of the cANCer nodding and smiling to the public while secretly give us the finger under the table. Well right back at u guys. I WILL NOT REGISTER!!

      beverly.young3 - 2012-11-20 23:27

      Me too...I will never register. The taxis are excluded ne? So now I am a taxi ...lol. How unfair is that?

  • mbongeni.allan.magubane - 2012-11-20 22:55

    Cry the beloved country

  • Vernon Rudolph - 2012-11-20 23:16

    F±¥k e tolling.

  • alaina.robbertse - 2012-11-20 23:27

    If it was not for the DA we will all be screwed to hell and back Mybe back if we are lucky.

  • declan.kelly.54 - 2012-11-21 00:37

    Unfortunately, they borrowed the money before consulting the people who would pay the debt. No way this is going to go away. It's either pay or incur more debt through interest. There's no point in fighting this. You've already been screwed. The longer you fight, the more you will owe. The damage has already been done. Fabulous!

      declan.kelly.54 - 2012-11-21 00:55

      Exactly

      robes.spear - 2012-11-21 05:39

      We want the roads and we want to pay BUT we want to pay in the most efficient way possible which is the fuel levy. The corruption comes in when you pay more in collecting the money than for the roads themselves. ##$#$ this corrupt ANC government!

      Thebigguyjim - 2012-11-21 06:19

      robespear. How may times do you want to pay for what you have already paid for over and over, with a 101 different Taxes and levies,etc. Enough is enough. NO NEW TAXES FOR THE ANC TO STEAL.

      heinrich.etsebeth - 2012-11-21 06:48

      @robspear: If government could affort to pay off 25% of the bill this year... why can't thy simply do the same for the next three years... we have paid for this already... so they want us to pay for it again... and again... and again... and again...

      doreen.bukelwa - 2012-11-21 09:14

      Actualy, only half the damage has been done. A debt has been incurred, as you rightly point out, and that debt is not going away, however the debt can be paid, or quadrupled. Either it is paid for by the levy already implemented per litre of fuel (that is after all the reason the levy exists, and perfectly applies the user pays principle). OR, SANRAL try to pay it via e-tolls, which effectively quadruples the debt as 80% of e-toll monies go the company implementing the toll and doing the paperwork / admin / screwing us from afar.

      elgh.elgh - 2012-11-21 13:24

      No it's unfortunate for them, not us.

      konstabel.koekemoer - 2012-11-21 16:23

      @Declan, of course the debts have to be paid, but very little (if any)of the money collected through tolling will be left after deducting all the admin, bad debt, collection fees etc. So the debt will end up being paid out of tax money in any case and most e-toll money will be used to pay for the running of the e-toll system. Makes no sense at all.

  • trevor.bush.9655 - 2012-11-21 04:46

    E-Toll WILL happen, ANC Big Nobs want their money/kickbacks from this project, JUST like the Arms Deal. The next will Water Affairs painting a bleak future requiring HUGE funding to avoid a shortage which they will create, like Eskom did, funny no more blackouts.....then we'll be hit with HUGE increases over the next 2-5 years to fund "new projects"..this is how the ANC operates, when are people going to accept this?? The ONLY thing the ANC takes notice of is VIOLENCE...forget debating, Zuma has never and will never debate any issues, he has no backbone for it nor the intelligence as proven year in year out, scared of a "white woman"....so you want the ANC's attention, then use violence, it's their way.

  • dennis.vermaak.5 - 2012-11-21 04:54

    The worst excuse for the worlds most popular "freedom fighters" who actually could not successfully organise a gang bang in a whore house !!

  • barry.pointeer - 2012-11-21 05:09

    maybe we should build tollroads to Zippers kia??

  • richard.scully2 - 2012-11-21 05:16

    Keep going ANC, the more of this, the quicker you are out of our lives, and the theft will stop...Comeon DA

  • brionyl.french - 2012-11-21 05:19

    In the end it may be passed but they cant force you to buy or use the roads.... 500 000 people have bought these stupid tags. out over 12 Million, half a million vs 12 million. And that 500 000 is mostly government workers because they were forced! Im sorry when in a democracy is someone forced. This should have been made a plubli vote in a referendum but sadly we are not a democratic country, Zuma and the ANC is a dictatorship like Zimbabwe, and soon we will be in the same boat as them

      lindaawhelan - 2012-11-21 06:02

      We only have the government's word that 500,000 tags have been purchased. It's like AFCON - they say that ticket sales have been going well but they haven't sold enough to fill one stadium for one match. I say we boycott AFCON and protest e-tolls outside the stadiums on match days.

      richard.scully2 - 2012-11-21 07:53

      It is mainly government workers, lets see them pay past the first 50 rand Hehehe

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-21 08:37

      puhleeze - I bet you that the actual figure is way less, and also, after the Terms and Conditions etc had to be amended, people with etags had to re-accept them for the tags to be valid. Since then, so much dirty washing has come to light, and many people that previously registered have not accepted the changes. Sanral is just trying to do a "Dizzy Mac Maharaj' Spin job. Well .. NEWSFLASH ... you have ZERO chance of making the toll roads work ... you will see an African Spring ultimately by your corrupt and arrogant practices. Sleep well anc .... big k*kka ahead for you.

  • guy.rice - 2012-11-21 05:19

    What bills were these? The SANRAL & National Roads Act (gov gazette 35755 & 35766) were published on 25 October and the public has 30 days to comment! How can any other bills be heard whilst this Act has not been commented on?

  • warwick.railton.7 - 2012-11-21 06:20

    To hell with sanral, to hell with the anc & their inherent corruption. Stop the tolls, burn em down. Make this legislation fail, do not get tagged, do not pay a single bill…………RETURN TO SENDER.

      wendy.burrows.71 - 2012-11-21 14:09

      more like return to a$$holes

  • altus.kirsten - 2012-11-21 06:26

    Come live in Cape Town. No forced toll roads.

      branden.hart - 2012-11-21 08:10

      yet....

      anakin.skyvader.9 - 2012-11-21 08:11

      Be careful: if we allow it to succeed here the other provinces will be next. We have to stop this now.

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-21 08:39

      whahaa Altus - if Govt goes ahead with Gautendg tolling, you can be assured that the precedent will have been set. That is why the whole country, and not just Gauteng, is opposing this arrogant move of Govt's.

      konstabel.koekemoer - 2012-11-21 16:26

      If they succeed in Gauteng you will have them in CT soon as well ... SANRAL is national.

  • webstorm.isp.5 - 2012-11-21 06:40

    Got a solution for this crap. Add 20c/l to everybody's petrol in the country so not only the walies feel the pinch, BUT then remove ALL toll roads everywhere...

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-21 08:41

      that's obvious .. Roads are national assets, so that is a fair option. Truble with that is that it does not pay for all the corrupt behind the scenes deals already made, the pension funds, etc. Still - I am lauging at Govt - they are so going to see their as*es on this one.

  • maureen.churchill.9 - 2012-11-21 06:45

    This is the very reason why we must vote DA. DA probably won't win the election, but the ANC will no longer be in a position to ramrod anything through parliament they see fit. We have got to have a strong opposition

      Jeremy - 2012-11-21 12:02

      Very good comment mapepaki. In the light of Nkandla, e-tolls and all the other corruption, not to mention infighting, incompetence and nepotism, it'll be very interesting to see what percentage of the vote the DA gets in 2014. Unfortunately, there'll always be the uneducated and corrupt who'll always vote for the ANC regardless - a bit like ZanuPF supporters in Zim really!

      Michael - 2012-11-21 16:13

      @jeremy - i believe that there is often a danger in automatically choosing to link a lack of education, intelligence or morality to someone just for their being an ANC supporter. I think it offends people by seeming superior. For many the party is represented by more than just a snapshot of its current makeup and it probably will be for a while longer at least. So while not an ANC supporter i believe we should remain tolerant at least of people's rights to support different parties (or gods or whatever else), however much one may not relate. I'm not a bleeding-heart liberal, honest... :)

  • mark.mcdonogh.1 - 2012-11-21 06:56

    All the comments of anything to do with the ANC government must tell us that the only hope (in the natural) is for all reasonably minded people to stand together under one banner at the next election and unite with a common front. We need to force towards a two party state for at least once in our history. We must not dilute the vote thru many parties standing which have no hope of a voice for change. No matter what we think about the DA we must back them, each and every voter, to achieve sanity in our nation. If we fail the test by voting for small, power-deficient parties, we almost condone the ANC's existence. Win democratically and we will win back the country to prosperity for all. No future government must be a racially dominant structure. The solution is in our vote. Let us try by word and deed to convince the country that voting for the DA IS THE ONLY REaSONABLE alternative at the present time. Come on, South Africans! We can do it. Don't waste your next vote! If you do, you may never have another chance!

  • ashley.stroebel - 2012-11-21 07:07

    Hahaha that Board looks like the old SA flag..........

  • paul.stanley.5621 - 2012-11-21 07:22

    I dont care what they do, if we refuse to pay and make them drag every non payer to court, then the whole system will colapse. We must all stick together on this and refuse to pay. Our stregnth lies in unity, and because of the past events, Joe Public have rolled over and accepted what ever the goverment have done, and the ANC are hoping the same will happen here. Its quite simple, we dont pay, and if we stick to our guns, the whole system will colapse. Lets stick together.....Unity

  • Gary.desousa7 - 2012-11-21 07:24

    What has buisness done to really block this toll road stuff as the private motorist is such a minority that we hardly count, we will just pay up. Taxis,public transport are exempt but why is PUTCO not supporting us nor is SANTACO??

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-21 08:42

      Youi have to be kidding.

  • piccky.wockky - 2012-11-21 07:38

    My method of legally delaying e-toll payments is extremely simple, yet completely successful, and wholly legal. 1)    After the first 4-6 weeks of passing through toll gantries, send SANRAL a registered letter, expressing your concern, that for the last 4- 6 weeks you have not received a payment request from them. You must state that you are COMPLETELY willing to pay the toll fees, but this cannot be carried out without a detailed invoice. Unreliable postal services could be to blame, so please would they send you your invoice by registered mail, to ensure you receive it. (This is a fully legal AARTO requirement for any letter of demand.) Make a photocopy of your letter, get a COMMISSIONER OF OATHS to stamp the copy, and keep your registered mail receipt. Such a request could take months to be settled, and if you are fortunate, never at all due to the sheer volume of similar requests received. Should you finally receive a notification that a registered letter has arrived for you, take as long as possible to collect it. This method is based upon the fact that they do not use registered mail to send invoices. If one considers the past history of all traffic fines received, these all arrive by normal mail to prevent the high costs of registering letters.

      richard.scully2 - 2012-11-21 07:58

      Thats a great idea if you feel something for them...I on the other hand feel absolutely nothing for them, so I intend to ignore everything to do with etolls. I am not registering, not paying, not responding. If I cannot register my vehicle as a result thereof they will lose that revenue as well

  • piccky.wockky - 2012-11-21 07:39

    2)    Should SANRAL surprisingly, after a lengthy period, comply with (1) above, then send them a second CERTIFIED letter by registered post, requesting that they send you a photograph  for every single gantry you have passed under for that month,  proving that is was your car you that is being invoiced.( Perfectly legal and reasonable request from any motorist ). Such photographs obviously, you must request to also be sent by registered mail to ensure delivery. Also takes weeks to collect such registered mail, should it in the unlikely event, ever be posted. Explain that you have heard that certain motorists are using illegal false number plates and you therefore require the photographs to prove that it is definitely your cat that is being charged. Such a request could takes months to be settled, or if you are very fortunate, never. Consider the sheer volume of requests they should by now have received. If their system is not set up for such requests, which I am almost positive is the case. (Hope I am not wrong on this one) Can you imagine the difficulties and problem they will have, in trying to MANUALLY comply with the thousands upon thousands of similar requests received. To be really difficult, how about querying some of the less clear photographs taken at night. Even if they come back to you asserting that the photographs are in their opinion, all perfectly readable, further delays will have been successfully applied.

  • piccky.wockky - 2012-11-21 07:40

    Should SANRAL try to speed up communications by requesting your e-mail or fax number, or send you SMS’s, or trying direct contact by phone, I have considered very simple ways of negating each of such requests. I am not mentioning any of these methods, as I want to keep this article 100% above board, and free of any questionable actions. 4)    In the unlikely event that all the above somehow be resolved, than obviously pay, but only for that particular month under review. 5)    Start the whole lengthy procedure all over again, 4-6 weeks after the termination of the second month’s toll fees due. Continue with the same, for every individual month that follows. I picked this advice up off another news site.

      guy.rice - 2012-11-21 08:21

      Great points! What happened to point 3)

  • altus.kirsten - 2012-11-21 07:47

    Funny that the toll road board resembles the old SA flag...oranje blanje blou. Interesting?

  • IcemanGP - 2012-11-21 07:49

    They ain't trying to RAM it through. They already have, and stuff you Joe Citizen.

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-21 08:44

      It aint a done deal - Cosatu and Joe Public will bring tolling to it's knees.

  • sandy.sutherland.58 - 2012-11-21 07:52

    ANC wants to go shopping for Christmas - their Johny Walker blue label is running a bit low!

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-21 08:44

      well - they can keep walking - coz they wont be able to use the toll roads after Cosatu gets going.

  • Forgotten - 2012-11-21 08:10

    Here is an idea, okay, why don't we as the people in South Africa, the public, just say NO!!!

  • daniel.mogale.94 - 2012-11-21 08:34

    It seems these guys want to fill their pockets before the next General Elections...............We should start by boycotting this e-toll system.

  • garg.unzola - 2012-11-21 08:42

    "Only 18 submissions on the bill were received from the public" What absolute nonsense. Do the emails not count?

  • peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-11-21 08:53

    ANC filling its pockets again!!

  • george.frangs - 2012-11-21 09:02

    Seems like there is another motive behind the tolling systemms, especially if they're in such a hurry to push this bill through. So why don't we all just take up that great South African pass-time of burning things when we're not happy about it??

  • ashleigh.ronaldon - 2012-11-21 09:09

    Do not Register Do not Pay Use the roads it belong to us.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-11-21 10:04

    Zuma's good at ramming. How many kids has he got now?.

  • mart.botha - 2012-11-21 11:47

    Now introducing the all new 'electronic dompas'....coming to a road near you soon.....and oh yes, this time you have to pay the authorities for the right to go where you want to !!!!!

  • sharon.houghton.984 - 2012-11-21 12:21

    Of course, Xmas is coming and they need to put their hands on even more money to live their lavish lifestyles

  • emmanuel.roodt - 2012-11-21 13:10

    They just don't listen to the Public. We said NO. Don't they understand NO. If a woman says NO, then it means NO. If men don't listen to the women saying NO, then we will be in BIG trouble. We said NO! If you the government don't listen to NO, then we have a big problem. Then does this mean NO means YES in the new South Africa?? Just a simple question.

  • jenny.nel.92 - 2012-11-21 19:26

    There was no need for them to take on such a massive loan for the roads. They had more than enough money but chose to splash it around on luxury vehicles, five star hotel stays, frivolous overseas trips for cadres, legal defense for out and out criminals not to mention that monstrosity of a compound that Zuma is building with our money. No. No more. We absolutely have to stand together on this one. I don't believe that so many people have bought tags, and to those of you that have, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Let them carry on. This may just be the tipping point for even the most ignorant to realize that the ANC has raped us and the DA is the way to go.

  • rory.n.price - 2012-11-21 19:32

    Love the colour of the billboard

  • mashavha - 2012-11-21 19:56

    I am not gonna pay

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