ANC appalled by Malema hate speech ruling

2011-09-12 15:09

Johannesburg - The ANC said on Monday it was appalled by the South Gauteng High Court's ruling that ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema's singing of the words "shoot the boer" amounted to hate speech.

The words undermined the dignity of people and were discriminatory and harmful, Judge Collin Lamont ruled.

"No justification exists allowing the words to be sung... the words were in any event not sung on a justifiable occasion."

ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said the party viewed the judgment as an attempt to rewrite the South African history which is not desirable and unsustainable.

"This ruling flies against the need to accept our past and to preserve our heritage as an organisation and as a people.

"The ANC will carefully study the judgment and understand its full implications before releasing a much more comprehensive response.

"In the meantime we will respect the decision of the court while investigating options of dealing with this judgment.

"Then we will explore every possibility to defend our history, our heritage and our traditions.

  • Uber1 - 2011-09-12 15:11


      Jan Spies - 2011-09-12 15:36

      ya,rly. and; 'The truth seems to be that words to the same effect first were chanted in Pan-Africanist Congress (PAC) circles in the early 1990s along with their infamous slogan of “one settler, one bullet”. Shortly thereafter, the late ANC youth leader Peter Mokaba borrowed the slogan and began chanting his “kill the Boer, kill the farmer” version in 1993 after the murder of ANC and Communist Party leader, Chris Hani.' inb4Sheep

      DW - 2011-09-12 16:00

      Exactly, Jan. So this song does not form part of the ANC heritage, but the PAC heritage - and then only a year before our democracy when negotiations were well under way. How does that make it a song reflecting their heritage and fight against apartheid?

      ~daisy_d~ - 2011-09-12 16:01

      @ George: firstly, they have started changing names. secondly, the street names don't incite people to go and kill other people, and thirdly there are no cost implications for not singing the song. the sooner people get the fact that it INCITES violence, the better. it's not rewriting history, it's preventing violence...

      Barry O - 2011-09-12 16:02

      What happened to respecting the judgeemnts of the courts!? One really has to question why the ANC/government is so obsessed with issues such defending songs that are clearly offensive to sections of the South African population rather than delivering on jobs, fighting crime and alleviating poverty etc. Surely that is where attentions should be focussed! So much for unity and the Rainbow Nation that Madiba spoke of.

      Enuff - 2011-09-12 16:05

      @ George - You are missing the point completely. It is not that a struggle song is sung, it is the meaning of the lyrics of the struggle song!

      willieman - 2011-09-12 16:08

      "This ruling flies against the need to accept our past and to preserve our heritage as an organisation and as a people." Mr Mthembu put yourself in the shoes of the minority and refer to history in terms of the horrible genocides that happend in the past in modern times..Even if i understand history and the content and context of the song,personally i do not think the song is still appropriate.We need to move on without polarising our great nation further.

      alicia - 2011-09-12 16:08 head spins. Why did they send him to Court in the first place, if this was their way of thinking. I am flabbergasted.

      Werner - 2011-09-12 16:16

      @George. Idiot, most of them are changed at a cost of millions of rands in any case. An old name on a street and continuing to sing a song causing hatred and murder is not the same.

      John Right - 2011-09-12 16:32

      Moderator ... Really. Singing in Afrikaans is rasist now? Bonejaan klim die berg so haastig en so lastig bonejaan klim die berg met jou sitkamer stel op sy rug ... Seriously ... You delete this as a normal song but you condone singing kill the farmer kill the boer .... Be a little bit more transparent and less rasist

      John Right - 2011-09-12 16:34

      Moderator ... Really. Singing in Afrikaans is rasist now? Bobejaan klim die berg so haastig en so lastig bobejaan klim die berg met jou sitkamer stel op sy rug ... Seriously ... You delete this as a normal song but you condone singing kill the farmer kill the boer .... Be a little bit more transparent and less rasist

      blanco_pta - 2011-09-12 16:41

      @Neil, u r clearly an idiot in extreme degree. These people are getting paid to remove comments such as yours. They will keep on removing and eventually disallow u to comment here.

      slg - 2011-09-12 16:46

      Just goes to show how out of touch the ANC is with regard to its own Freedom Charter.

      betweenu&me - 2011-09-12 16:49

      @Neil: The problem this country is facing is polarisation. It comes from Malema and it comes from people like you too. How do you expect anything to get resolved that way?! Tit-for-tat doesn't work.

      alicia - 2011-09-12 16:55

      Shite Neil....I thought I would see it in print. Was too busy. But it is the Gospel truth. Glad you enjoyed it. So what is a Boer? Is there a Xhosa word for, they call us Boere and the whole world knows what they mean when they say, sing or chant it.

      JohannV - 2011-09-12 17:46

      It's like confuddling the two most popular lies: "I won't come in the mail" and "The cheque is in your mouth." :-)

      Brainbow - 2011-09-12 18:11

      "One settler, one bullet" - remember that... Well, Julius is also a settler. He is also a farmer, lest we forget!

      Al - 2011-09-12 21:09

      Geeze George, there is a big difference between having a street named after a past mad dictator and having a current youth leader of the ruling party calling for whites to be shot dead. What do I tell my children when she ask my why that man wants to kill her?

      Fred - 2011-09-12 22:48

      Jackson Mthembu says that this song has to be accepted as part of the ANC's past, even though it was only started just before independance ... not much of a past, methinks. However, I would agree, provided it stays in the past and doesn't raise it's ugly head again, just like apartheid was in the past, and must not raise it's ugly head again. If the ANC can't accept this, then it confirms that its intention is to get rid of all the whites in the country.

      Mark Stevenson - 2011-09-12 23:57

      @ Fred, You shoudl know by now there is NO history before 1994! It never happend! Our history is now only 20 years long according to the ANC! The only History they know of before 1994 is apartheid, the whole 400 years! lol

      Frankly_Every1 - 2011-09-13 03:04

      What I don't get is why you guys allow these people to overwhelm your lives with their drama, greed and hate. Doesn't matter who it is they will do the same thing to anyone who tries to live amongst them. Africa's history proves this. Why do you choose to spend your lives caught up in their crap and fund your own genocide with your taxes nogal. Yes its hard to emigrate but hey get off your asses and take a stand by leaving them with nothing.

      AJ2 - 2011-09-13 03:20

      So a party in power in government is appalled that a political movement cannot sing a song with lyrics that celebrate the shooting of a group of people. In the most stable regions of the world this would be an unforgiveable stance, for it to be accepted as 'ok' in Africa and furthermore South Africa in particular is dangerous in the extreme.

      HONKY101 - 2011-09-13 07:05

      You don`t like the K word, we don`t like your song, lets compromise chaps !!

      JM - 2011-09-13 08:04

      It is quite disturbing that the ANC compares this song to the Voortrekker Monument and to the De la Rey song. Both of these so called Afrikaans symbols contain no direct threats to another population group. How would the ANC feel if they appeal this hate speech ruling, succeeds in getting it overturned and a group of Afrikaans artists get together and create a similar song in reply? Shaka Zulu annihilated 2 million people, mostly black people and yet this government allowed statues of him to be erected in this country. Even an international airport was named after him. This country’s leadership has gone mad!

      Neutkraker - 2011-09-13 08:35

      What is really appalling is the fact that they want to maitain their sole right to insult, and intimidate other ethinic groups, and insite thier own to perpetuate hatred, commit violance and murder.

      Neutkraker - 2011-09-13 09:58

      I wonder if anybody considered what message the ANC is sending out to white South Africans. With their decision to fight the court ruling and to defend the practice of fuelling racial hatred, which the words of this song incites in people, they clearly have not considered the same fuelling effect it has on the so-called "Boere". If they have indeed considered this, there can only be one clear message to every white skinned person in this country....... What concerns me is the ignorance shown by the ruling party and all its voting members in their sincere belief (which they have voiced on numerous occasions) that we "Settlers" have been stealing from them without a hint of recognition to the fact that we have positively contributed to- and developed an economy which they are now reaping such huge benefits from - to the point of complete destruction and collapse. It is a dangerous game, but nevertheless a calculated one they are playing. They are very self assured and confident in the execution of their goal - and with good reason. Our European civil reluctance to act and "rather sit back and observe" nature, is seen as a decided weakness. It is also the reason for more and more militant statements and daring challenges to which we still fail to respond to. This kind of inner strength which we choose to display is also sending a message which the African mind chooses to ignore, as it is not a threatening one.

      Neutkraker - 2011-09-13 09:58

      Already political- as well as military power, have been transferred. Soon enough all economic power will be transferred to "those who are the true inheritors of Mother Africa" and lastly all land will be seized from us to complete the picture. Anyone who thought the wait-and-see game is going to afford us the luxury to quietly go about our day-to-day business, because in doing that, we will once again prove ourselves triumphant by means of our economic prowess, have another think coming. Without the economic toys we so cherish, we will be neutered and rendered impotent. The ANC knows this and are working diligently and blatantly towards achieving that goal. Ironically, our economic greed will prove to be our downfall. AA, BEE, and all other A's, B's and E's have exposed our underbellies to the ANC, as we so willingly and mindlessly co-operated to "ensure" our economic future. What concerns me most is the ignorance we display in choosing to ignore the writing which is clearly on the wall....

      sikuma - 2011-09-13 10:39

      They never learn that singing that song will indicate them as crime committed against humanity and war criminals. All the UN and international conventions are clearly saying this. This 18yrs old heritage song will mock the 99yrs old ANC liberation movement as a terrorist movement.

      ivory - 2011-09-13 12:08

      Jy hoef net deur die court photos te kyk om te sien in watse wanorde hulle is. Vir wat staan hulle en skree en sing buite 'n hof, kan hulle wat so kla hulle is werkloos nie gaan werk soek nie? Ek is glad nie rassisties nie en werk saam met 'n goeie klomp swart werkers wat baie flink en wakker is. Hulle is die tipe wat jy nie sal sien skree vir hulle regte by 'n hof nie! Hierdie ANC ondersteuners het geen ambisie of vooruitsig nie, dis net verlede verlede verlede!

      mo-man - 2011-09-13 14:06

      SA appalled by the (A)lliance of (N)on-delivery and (C)orruption!!

      Ayoba - 2011-09-13 14:52

      A victory for agriforum. I will send agriforum the list of other black heritage songs that need to be abolished until they have no more so called struggle songs. Then I will write the songs that the blacks will be allowed to sing during their gatherings. I will then recommend the names that need to be blotted from our country because those people have to do with apartheid times. E.g Steve Biko, Oliver Tambo,Robert Sobukwe, etc.

      Gazza69 - 2011-09-14 10:36

      Changing History???? What about all the streets and towns that were renamed? Double standrds by racist ANC mafia regime!!! GFY.....

      Spyker May - 2011-09-14 10:44

      One of the key indicators of a country on the verge of collapse, is one poised on a knife's edge - certainly SA is precariously balanced on a very fragile tip.., eg, Imagine the leading article's heading was, "...ANC appalled by Malema hate speech..." SA would have been a country that had an annual economic growth rate > China, it would have has a rate of unemployment < 10%, a GDP/capita that ranked with the best in world, productivity that exceeded the best achieved under the previous regime, an ever closing gap in inequality, a solid-, good education system, AA being phased out through natural merit, etc, etc. Instead, the heading reads, "...ANC appalled by Malema hate speech RULING..." And the reality is that SA is on its way to being simply another African basket-case...

      Denise - 2011-09-14 11:45

      The ANC slammed the ruling and is now going to appeal against it. That can be understandable seeing that they are quite open about exactly what they want to do to whites in South Africa, namely kill them. I am sorry, but a song that says, “They are robbing us these dogs, Kill them, Kill the Boers, Kill the farmers…” Is in my eyes utter racism and hate speech of the worst order and contributing directly to the killing of thousands of whites and white farmers since the ANC came to power. So what will happen if the ANC appeal succeeds? Can we whites then start singing, “Kill the K****rs, Kill the blacks”? The blacks in SA are hiding behind their “Struggle” and historical significance of their traditional songs that are all based on hatred towards the white people of South Africa. The fact that they are fighting tooth and nail to continue singing these hateful songs says a lot for their so called Truth and Reconciliation Committee (TRC). It just shows that there has never been any reconciliation. The TRC was a fraud and a theft of public money that delivered no truth and no reconciliation.

  • Who Knew - 2011-09-12 15:12

    There's a surprise.

      Jelly - 2011-09-12 16:02

      Dear Lord, Michael Jackson was my favourite singer, now he is dead! Heath Ledger my favourite actor, dead! Brittany Murphy my favourite actress, dead! Lady Diana my favourite princess, dead! Dear Lord, Julius Malema is my favourite politician I promise!!!!!!! Just thought I would let you know Lord......

      Oldbuck - 2011-09-12 16:11

      the anc are so used to buldozing their way through anything and anyone whenever they make a mistake that they thought they were going to get away with this one,tough luck thieves you can suck on a lemmon this time

      cliffarc - 2011-09-12 17:19

      - This leaves little doubt about the Anc's anti white sentiment. They are determined to prolong the racial divide and disharmony amongst blacks and whites. The Anc are an evil , sinister grouping of bigots with a tyrannical agenda. There is sadly little hope for the future.

      unknwnartist - 2011-09-12 21:55

      As long as there is an enemy, the longer they can keep the wool over the poor peoples eyes.

      Ruben32 - 2011-09-13 06:23

      The ANC is a revolutionary party, without a revolution there is no reason for their existence. There wasn't peace in Africa 1000 years ago, there still isn't. Mandela showed us that maybe there could be, unfortunately for the better part of his life he spend locked up. Maybe that's what gave him his incredible insight. I got no answers.

  • Ek_Ruik_Rot - 2011-09-12 15:12

    Of course they will be! Just shows that they condone the extermination of the whole white population!

      Michael007 - 2011-09-12 15:24

      Wel jy is seker n rot, dit is hoekom jy een ruik?

      BigD - 2011-09-12 16:03

      They wish. They are in for a shock.

      Ek_Ruik_Rot - 2011-09-12 16:05

      I never said that they will succeed. I just think that this ignorance regarding the verdict shows us that the ANC (who is the ruling party) does not care about the lives of minority groups in this country. And therefore it essentially condones the extermination of the white race..

      zackie - 2011-09-12 16:13

      anc is pushing for a civil war to gain access to all of SA wealth the R1 trillion paid in taxes is only pocket money to them..

      Peaceful - 2011-09-12 16:44

      Think before you speak, come on? What a knee-jerk generalization, there are so many level-headed people in the ANC that have in the past stood by what is right. This site is a breeding ground for fanatics and racists.This country came to the abyss and stepped away, purely because it was not in the interests of any group to have a civil war.Come on guys, you are not helping anything with your racist and threatening rhetoric!!!!! THINK>

      Ek_Ruik_Rot - 2011-09-12 16:48

      Peaceful. What is racist about anything we have said? The ANC condoning this song means they want to exterminate whites? Who is being racist, I ask you?

      daaidoos - 2011-09-12 16:48

      thank-you rot, good point.

      Peaceful - 2011-09-12 17:00

      @Ek_Ruik_Rot Read Alicia and Neils comments across the spectrum every day and then tell me they are not racist.And so many others.Are they contributing to nation building or just looking to take up arms and be superior.Cummon man, surely there is intelligent life left here?It does require adult debate, with excludes vile statements and racism, but alas, I see so little of that I despair. Read the comments again and tell me how this will help to solve anything or change anyones mind.

      Ek_Ruik_Rot - 2011-09-12 17:04

      Peaceful. I am sure most people do not want a war, and reject racism. However, do you blame people for acting out at the moment, if their own government condones a song that could potentially threaten their lives?

      Peaceful - 2011-09-12 19:01

      I agree with you here Ek_Ruik_Rot But seriously, read what people say , does it take us a step towards where we all want to be.No, it doesn't. All I am saying is let sanity prevail and let us all- black, white and all colours of the spectrum engage in adult debate and find a way forward. I hold no grudges or loyalty to any race or party. I just love this beautiful country I call my home. Let us all find a way forward without hatred,racism or anger- we owe it to our children.

      Silma Parker - 2011-09-12 19:18

      "However, do you blame people for acting out at the moment" That is EXACTLY the problem. Everyone 'acts out in the moment', causing untold destruction with their careless words and sentiments. As adults, we should know better, so yes, I do blame people for making racist comments 'in the heat of the moment'.

      Blondemoment - 2011-09-12 20:25

      Our dear ruling party has taken lessons from the Americans - another inside job, no doubt. Imagine OUR beloved country in 10 years...

      Picasso - 2011-09-13 10:59

      @Peacefull, how can you expect from any normal citizen to be cooperative towards non-racism if our ANC government instigate racial hate? The fact that a racist organisation like the ANC is in charge is proof that the general population is racist because the ANC got in charge via the majority votes.

      Fractious - 2011-09-13 13:22

      @Peaceful. The time is past for bleeding-heart liberalism. Time and again, those in power have referred to me and my kind with utter disdain. You cannot appeal to their reason, because they seem to have lost the capacity for reason. You can't appeal to their sense of fairness, because they don't seem to have any. What then is left to us but to fight?

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-09-14 09:04

      @peaceful: How is the weather in your fairyland this time of year? Back in the world of reality we have a country run by a corrupt bunch of thieves incapable of anything adult. Come back to reality - we miss you.

  • JMan - 2011-09-12 15:13

    "This ruling flies against the need to accept our past....{..}".. you mean like apartheid?

      Taurus 11 - 2011-09-12 15:52

      Remind them of the part they want to forget BLOOD RIVER

      Blackbeard - 2011-09-12 16:34

      How did the ANC cry about "De La Rey" when it launched, and that had zip to do with any struggle against the ANC. It was freedom from British rule! Maybe the ANC works for the previous colonists?!

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-09-12 18:17

      BlackB, the DE LA REY deal was because the ANC and like minded people who see a prob with todays ruling are scared sh*tless with the prospect of the "Boere" becoming united and standing against threats leveled at them, which the song calls for.

  • Sir Eidolon - 2011-09-12 15:13

    Judge Moegoe Moegoe will overrule this shortly :D

      Barry - 2011-09-12 15:17

      @ Sir Eidolon That is why He is called Moegoe

      Goosestep - 2011-09-12 15:36

      Lol!Moegoe Moegoe... so furious they named him twice. Perfect timing with the appointment... re-active politics *sigh*

      Fu Manchu - 2011-09-12 15:56

      Eidolon, agree with your first comment... your second one is just attention seeking and childish. You are exactly the same as the people who always posts bible verses etc on an open forum... just on the other side of the spectrum. and I'm an atheist btw... Grow the F up, moron!

      cj - 2011-09-12 15:58

      You are ignorant. Please read Justice Mogoeng's minority judgement in the McBride case where he took a very strong line against defamatory and insulting speech on the basis that it offends the spirit of the new dispensation and the constitution, and the idea of ubuntu which is a foundational value of the constitution. There is little doubt that he would phold this judgement.

      Alkie - 2011-09-12 16:04

      Sir???????? This judge says he serves the LORD then Malema would have been in jail.

      Picasso - 2011-09-13 11:04

      You are dreaming CJ, Mogoeng Mogoeng stated in various statements that he is an employee of the ANC government - clearly he doesn't see himself as an independant judge. He will place judgement as the ANC demand him to judge.

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-09-14 09:06

      Stupid people can't spell stupid.

  • jontheb - 2011-09-12 15:14

    How about respecting the rule of law...wouldn't that be a start for the ANC!!!

      Isgaak - 2011-09-12 15:21

      but that is what they are doing. they've accepted the rule and will make a comprehensive statement later. what part dont you understand? also talk about minority groups. it took you a long time to realise that you are a minority group.

      Wizard101 - 2011-09-12 15:27

      It will be a first

      Shadoz - 2011-09-12 16:16

      isgaak we might be a miority but we had the brains and capability to rule over the majority for a long time. maybe thats because the lack of education has held the majority back for years. I mean if malemana really wanted to be a champion of the poor perhaps he should concentrate on education instead of hate. But he won't because that wont make him rich and feed the hate he so loves and feeds off like a parasite that needs to be aquashed.

      Slartibartfast - 2011-09-12 16:19

      Isgaak .... Boet ... what is your heritage? You know ... Zulu, Khoza, What? Perhaps you are a minority group and just don't realise it hey? And ... go read the TRUE history of Africa boet ... You will be quite surprised where you actually come from ... geographically speaking that is.

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-09-14 09:08

      @Isgaak - Whites weren't always the minority. The fact that they chose to procreate responsibly and have smaller families who could enjoy a better life style bit them in the butt.

  • Grayman - 2011-09-12 15:14

    What's there to 'deal with'? The ruling is that you can't sing it any more...period. Get over it. Move on. Create a better life for all in South Africa.

      Cynix - 2011-09-12 16:03

      The use of 'K' word is undesireable and people are sanctioned as a result - why not make this song the same and as you say Grayman - get over it!

      Blondemoment - 2011-09-12 20:32

      Unfortunately "can't sing it anymore" means nothing to the hordes that will now be singing it at every opportunity, and no-one will control that...

      mo-man - 2011-09-13 14:14

      @ Grayman: Amen dude!!

  • jack sparrow - 2011-09-12 15:14

    Mistake Mistake will overule...

  • Peek - 2011-09-12 15:15

    "Rewrite history" ... THAT'S WHAT THE ANC HAS BEEN DOING SINCE '94. Changing town names, street names, removing monuments !!!! FFS !!!

      spiral - 2011-09-12 16:05

      good point!

      Kevin - 2011-09-13 08:47


      Sou4lJah - 2011-09-13 13:38

      Damn engenious!....Love your work!!!!

  • daaivark - 2011-09-12 15:15

    Oh crap, ANC. The ruling is pragmatic and absolutely coherent.

      Jonas - 2011-09-12 16:22

      I mean what are they actually implying? yes we support songs that can trigger genocide, yes we linger in the past and don't focus on the future, yes we are outraged at a statement about a guy that is deviding our party and generally makes outrages statements that he should be made accountable for... huh?

  • Felix - 2011-09-12 15:15

    F U too ancrap, just when I thought you were turning over a new leaf.

      DW - 2011-09-12 15:19

      What would make you think that? They only do what is in THEIR best interests, never yours. If your best interest and their co-incide, then you are just lucky. But never misunderstand their motives. They do not do anything with you in mind.

      Felix - 2011-09-12 15:52

      True, I just thought they would be interested in a united country.

  • CHIPPER_CHAP - 2011-09-12 15:15

    Off course they would. They are all racists and the whites have only got one purpose in this country still and that is to be blamed for everything.

      Adri Truter - 2011-09-12 15:42

      Yeah, even Derek Hanekom, Joe Slovo and all other white people who support the ANC

      Lab-Rat - 2011-09-12 15:48

      Let's not forget that our other purpose is to be milked dry.

      cj - 2011-09-12 16:03

      Adri, Joe Slovo is lankal al dood. Bly wakker meisie.

      Charl Marais - 2011-09-12 16:16

      I agree the only reason we are still here is to get blamed for all their failures and of course to be the source of funds (as it`s mainly whites that pay TAX)

      Ruben32 - 2011-09-13 06:29

      Wait till the rates and tax money runs out, then we're in deep sh&t.

  • KarenC - 2011-09-12 15:15

    A tradition to kill farmers???

  • Dr. No - 2011-09-12 15:15

    No surprise here then!! If they had actually bothered to listen to the judgement they would have seen the judge Lamont covered their concerns in passing his judgement. But piss first and then look for the toilet seems to be the ANC modes operandi

  • Vanessa Van Der Biggelaar - 2011-09-12 15:16

    Why are they so surprised? What did they think was going to happen? If Darren Scott can get into so much trouble for his racist comment, then what makes Julius so different? Eish!

      Sphynx - 2011-09-12 15:36

      My sentiments exactly _ bunch of hypocrites

      Mzanzi Fosho - 2011-09-12 17:39

      Eish bass, because he is BLEK baas. Consistency is not a cultural strong point of the ANCrap

  • Kerr - 2011-09-12 15:16

    Oh ANC. This surprises you why?? I guess this means you will now be more lenient on the proven racist Malema, who very clearly hates whites and loves money. Sigh...

      Steve - 2011-09-12 18:26

      Malema has just announced that he is changing his surname in order to fit in better....from now on he will be known as Julius Geldenhuis.....all he want is Geld and Huise.....its a joke to difuse the tempers of all people(need to explain as not all will understand)

  • piempies - 2011-09-12 15:16

    it is in nobodys culture to insight the killing of one human being by another unless yr a savege r y?

  • Verbatim - 2011-09-12 15:16

    "In the meantime we will respect the decision of the court while investigating options of dealing with this judgment" - In other words, we will do as we always do. We will tell this judge to p*** off, screw the constitution and find a way to have our little song back on the streets in no time.

  • Daemos1 - 2011-09-12 15:16

    We can't sacrifice the dream of harmony for a small group's concept of what 'heritage' includes. By the ANC's logic, german's should be allowed to spraypaint Nazi insignia wherever they want because the swastika is part of their 'heritage' We're a country ruled by bitter old men sies

      betweenu&me - 2011-09-12 16:17

      Bitter old men on both sides.

      Keevus - 2011-09-13 09:59

      do you know anything about logic or do you understand ???lets compare,what was the Germans struggle for,against who?if anything at all,Jews should be the one allowed to sing their struggle songs against Germans,because they suffered terribly against Hitler.Swastikas are a symbol of racism and hatred,but liberation songs help inform the younger generations about the history of this country and how it got to be where it is,ONLY!!.If you suggest they are aimed at inciting people against Whites,then you have your own agenda>>>>

      Picasso - 2011-09-13 12:14

      @Keevus, with more than 3000 farm killing the Kill the Boer song IS instigating violence against Whites. Look at the farm killers that get caught, they are all young blacks in their early twenties, the type of guys who follow idiots like Malema singing these types of songs.

      Delarey - 2011-09-13 22:52

      @Keevus, "liberation songs help inform the younger generations and how...", what kind of a moron are you? As to your Jew/German comment you imbecile, so the Afrikaaners must also sing anti-British songs for eternity for educational purposes?? (As to what the Germans revolted against go and get a history lesson). As a percentage of the population the number of women, children and unarmed men of all ages murdered and the suffering they endured under the British was greater than the Jews. Please take your bigoted glasses off! It is quite clear you simpleton, a hate filled black youth leader standing in front of thousands of supporters holding his finger as if gun and singing "shoot the Boer" is blatantly inciting them to do just that and not busy imparting some historical wisdom to the unknowing you @shol!! It is appropriate that you should mention the Nazis, read their mission statements and policies and you will see they are frighteningly close to what Mampara and his cronies are advocating. Take your head out of your nether regions and open your eyes!

  • HellRaiser - 2011-09-12 15:17

    So is it ok for the "Boers" to defend their heritage and traditions too?? Can they have their historical "White's only" swimming pools?

      C_S - 2011-09-12 15:24

      Now this is a good idea! Hellraiser for president!

      Fakmore - 2011-09-12 16:06

      Boers already do have white only you want me to give you a full list of resorts that do not allow black people? Ironically, many are in Malema's backyard in Limpopo

      Alkie - 2011-09-12 16:08

      I will support this.

      Point Blank - 2011-09-12 16:42

      Yes please Fakmore, list them here..

      Lab-Rat - 2011-09-12 16:45

      Oh please do Fakmore, we're all waiting for this list of yours. Please.

      Kevin - 2011-09-13 08:49

      We do not need whites only swimming pools. The non swimmers cannot swim.

  • MSGRule - 2011-09-12 15:17

    If we need to accept our past why are street and town names changed costing millions. Except the ones past but not the other. Sorry Judge Collin Lamont this most probably your end. "In the meantime we will respect the decision of the court while investigating options of dealing with this judgment. Lets respect it for now whilst we make other plans.

      Fakmore - 2011-09-12 16:07

      Exactly...theres nothing wrong with Hendrik Verwoerd Street. He was a great President and part of our proud heritage.

      Delarey - 2011-09-13 22:58

      Seems as if Fakmore knows Fak-all but spews nonsense all the same!

      Shere - 2011-09-14 11:01

      MSGRule build a bridge and get over it the ANC an Malema lost AFRIKANERS RULE

  • Jon - 2011-09-12 15:17

    so the ANC condemned Malema when he sang the song and now they appalled at the ruling!!! WTF has this country come to wow!!!!! RACIST IDIOTS!!!!! This country still has apartheid but in reverse!!!

      Nintendo - 2011-09-12 15:20

      its gone to the dogs and they are sending it back

  • loggers - 2011-09-12 15:17

    let us whiteys rise up now for a NEW struggle against this current "apartheid" government and sing our old heritage and historical chants and songs.

      Taurus 11 - 2011-09-12 15:56

      What De La Rey

      Alkie - 2011-09-12 16:10

      What will those be? We dont have songs that tells you to kill.

      2WhiteStars - 2011-09-12 16:11

      The White Consciousness movement!

      Point Blank - 2011-09-12 16:43

      We don't have any songs calling for killing another human being...

      Hayek_rules - 2011-09-12 16:46

      We could sing the Afrikaans Lullaby to Mal-Lema: Siembamba, mamma se kindjie, ... draai sy nek om, gooi hom in die sloot, trap op sy kop dan is hy dood ...!

      Lab-Rat - 2011-09-12 16:47

      No, it takes a special kind of savage to make up a song about killing other human beings. We're far more civilised than that but in any case, sign me up. I'm fighting till the end.

      bytejuggler - 2011-09-13 03:01

      @Hayek_rules: Even that's song's actually an accident apparently -- I've been semi-reliably informed that "siembamba" is a accidental conflation of "sien die mamba", which if you substitute as such in the song, you'll seem implies actually then a very meaningful little nursery rhyme that happens to educate little Johnny in how to deal with a green mamba should he encounter one...

  • abigail van zyl - 2011-09-12 15:17

    Yes AJ because that "preserves our heritage as an organisation and as a people"

      DRYGOII - 2011-09-12 16:04

      Weakness of white people they are too kind//////for black world

  • Ollie - 2011-09-12 15:17

    Wow so we can all sing songs/call people by names so not to damage our heritage - will this work both ways then- ANC can the white people sing "Kill the Kxxxxxs"? I cannot believe this how can this Government be so blatantly racist!!!

  • daaivark - 2011-09-12 15:18

    Jackson, go and consult some more, my brother. I think you speak for yoourself and not the organisation. Someone slap this fly, please.

      Nkalakatha - 2011-09-12 15:35

      Jackson is a bit "DOF" he needs a dop urgently oh and dont forget the Cuban cigars !!

      Oldbuck - 2011-09-12 15:53

      JACKSON - most pedis are called jackson this or jackson that so he must be from the province of no talent

  • loggers - 2011-09-12 15:18

    let us whiteys rise up now for a NEW struggle against this current "apartheid" government and sing our old heritage and historical chants and songs.

      blanco_pta - 2011-09-12 15:26

      less than 10% of the population rising up against 90%...intersting

      Wizard101 - 2011-09-12 15:29

      @blanco...spelling boet

      ChumScrubber - 2011-09-12 15:37

      Maybe less than 10% - but when forced into a corner with no other options - beware a cornered animal! This is what the ANC wants more than anything, but it is not going to work out the way they are planning.

      WarDog - 2011-09-12 15:42

      I agree. It is inevitable. Hope that when it happens I’m able to do my part.

      blanco_pta - 2011-09-12 15:43

      @chumscrubber...i get u. let's wait and see the final judgement of the matter. @wizard... error

      AntiRacist - 2011-09-12 16:12

      10% educated, disciplined and trained int the art of defense against people who cant work, lazy, no contest!

      blanco_pta - 2011-09-12 16:27

      it would be like a train and car crash. let's not even consider that route and concentrate on building the nation together. Whites are a handful in this country and it will be stupid that the rest of the white community by in on your idiocy. At least, the Justice System is stiil independent and favors no ANC nor DA but us all.

      Charl Marais - 2011-09-12 16:28

      If a race war does break out, we will not have to fear anything at all, as 99% of them will go on strike before they even start. (The African Mentality)

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-12 18:59

      @blanco_pta ~ Don't run away with yourself little boy. Don't forget that Indians and Coloureds are also very gatvol of you bunch!

      blanco_pta - 2011-09-12 19:37

      @pinkpanther, dont bet your last rand on their support coz u will go bankrupt. Even if they would join yo force, u are all nothing to black force. Blacks rule and will still rule till Jesus comes. U kissed yo time goodbye in 1994. I'm not racist and wouldn't like to be one. My advise to u would be "transform yourself for better and adapt to the new regime".

      WarDog - 2011-09-13 07:58

      @ blanco_pta: "transform yourself for better and adapt to the new regime"? Let me get this right: You must be indoctrinated, assimilated and subjugated for the “better” to “fit in”? You might see it as “the better” but from where most white South Africans are standing there is nothing “better” about the situation. With this subjugation I can assure you that a proud white South African will have a problem. You can ask the English about that. As for what’s coming, it will be difficult to see who your brother is and who the enemy is. The fight will not be as clear cut as most think it will be.

      ockert.niekerk - 2011-09-14 16:03

      @blanco_pta...A wise man once said "Treat all strangers with respect, for some of them might be your enemies".

  • s r - 2011-09-12 15:18

    jeez, get over it ANC, there are more important imperatives to worry about right now, for heaven's sake.

  • OhbiZz - 2011-09-12 15:19

    INTERESTING! So calling the Bots President a Western puppet = bringing the ANC into disrepute but singing "shoot the boer" = This ruling flies against the need to accept our past and to preserve our heritage as an organisation and as a people....we will explore every possibility [of appeal]to defend our history, our heritage and our traditions.

      frans.visserdsb - 2011-09-12 16:21

      yeah... it shows where the ANC priorities lie... not with the population of this country, because it is part of your heritage to sing a song that incites one part of your population to kill another... but please do not comment on other countries... can you imagine Pres Obama condoning a black rap song which incites black americans to kill mexicans? We have to move on people. This song, like the K word, belongs in the rubbish bin of the past.

      Blondemoment - 2011-09-12 20:44

      @frans - Pres Obama is aware and condones (by accompanying GWBush to Ground Zero yesterday)the evil of having your own countrymen killed for the evil quest for power and money. There is an agenda behind all this current nonsense - we should be vigilant...

  • Shisstirrer QBE - 2011-09-12 15:19

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, the clowns of the anc have spoken , swines, murderers

  • Paulus - 2011-09-12 15:19

    I don't understand - white people don't want apartheid back, even though it is part of our history - the struggle against apartheid is over - so why do the ANC and the ANC supporters want to sing "shoot the boer". The ruling does not take away the stuggle against apartheid, it enforces that there is no place for enciting violence that is race related in the future of South Africa. If I was a black person - I would not want to sing "shoot the boer" - I dont want to sing "die stem". I would rather think up a new song for the struggle ahead, something like "also please give me a farm" or "lets blow the ATM" or "shoot the rhino"...

      Mart - 2011-09-12 15:33

      because Paulus, their support comes mostly from undereducated poor people who are still being fooled into thinking that the white man is still the reason that they are still undereducated and still poor. Without rhetoric and blatant lies, the ANC has nothing to offer the world except a now well heeled hierarchy that are as unproductive as a mealie farm on the salt flats.

  • Ripley - 2011-09-12 15:20

    Why does it not surprise anyone that the ANC are "appalled" at any court ruling that does not fit in with their own philosophy ?

  • HerrCranium - 2011-09-12 15:20

    The WORLD is APPALLED by the hatespeech of the ancyl

  • JohnyBlue - 2011-09-12 15:20

    You are appalled? I am appalled that you are trying to defend the singing of the "song". I don't care about your heritage, I care about the safety of my wife, kids and family. Bugger off!!!

  • jimbo - 2011-09-12 15:20

    Didn't realise the ANC had a history, heritage and tradition of hateful, racist and genocidal tendencies. History is being re-written, but it is being done by the ANC themselves.

  • Broodjie - 2011-09-12 15:20

    Why is only your history important and not allowed to be re-written ANC? We as boer's also have the right to our history and heritage, but you do everything in your power to change and to wipe out our history! You tell lies that we have stolen this land where in fact there are written documents as proof that our forefathers baught this land. I don't think Malema will apply to this hearing anyway, as he ignores almost every ruling that Judges has made :-(

  • Anonymous Thinker - 2011-09-12 15:20

    No anti/pro apartheid songs need be sung anymore. That time is over. By still singing those songs in a political arena is hateful towards others. Be the songs white, black, pink or blue. Those songs now belong in our history books. Or theatre & film if justified. How are we supposed to come together as a country when our own politicians are inciting hate towards others? Our government needs to grow up and look forward. Nothing good can come from using our sordid history as a motivator to new generations.

  • OldSA - 2011-09-12 15:21

    I can think of a few word that is part of the South African history as well. Can I use them?

  • McFreak - 2011-09-12 15:22

    This had to happen at some point in time. It was to good to be true, to believe that there would be one country in Africa that would uphold justice as it is understood globally. White people, in the words of their youth league are rapists and criminals and should be stripped of their possessions and killed. STET

  • Tokkel Loshi - 2011-09-12 15:22

    What Ever !!

  • Podgette - 2011-09-12 15:23

    The song was applicable to the past just as the K-word was - lets leave them both there and move on people!! COME-ON we have a beautiful country - live in it!

  • Vrijheid - 2011-09-12 15:23

    I am sure the the ANC thugs are not appalled with our tax moneys.

  • crackerr - 2011-09-12 15:23

    No country in the world that has the integrity of all its inhabitants at heart will chant/sing or allow some of its inhabitants to chant/sing that some of its other inhabitants be killed or destroyed. You actually do not need court cases to state the simple obvious. Fortunately the judgement is comprehensive and the reasons given for the conclusion comprehensible for the whole world to grasp. If the ANC opposes the judgement it can only mean that they are deliberately siding with genocidal tendencies.

      Jonas - 2011-09-12 16:27

      well said brother! except if Mogoe is the judge

      wv - 2011-09-13 07:13

      You live in a country ruled by uneducated barbarians.

  • Cyberfriend - 2011-09-12 15:23

    We all should pray that this matter does not get out of hand,interested to see the "comprehensive response" of the ANC?

  • NWO - 2011-09-12 15:24

    How can these numbnuts be appalled by a clear call for violence? The song is part of the history of the majority of the population, but the judge clearly said that "the words were in any event not sung on a justifiable occasion". It seems to serve the ANC well to keep racism alive and kicking in this country. Another excuse for their ineptitude to run this country and something to distract our nation from their rape of our coffers and country.

  • Sue - 2011-09-12 15:24

    personally I don't believe the ANC want someone like Malema to be a representative of their history, heritage or traditions. If it was sung for other reasons other than those pursued by Malema then I doubt very much this would have come about.....think ANC, think!

  • Nick - 2011-09-12 15:24


  • Dr. Zeek - 2011-09-12 15:24

    Yeah well, I suppose the allotted time for using "Apartheid" as a catch-all excuse for ANC stuff-ups and general uselessness is running out fast. All that's left to cover their tracks is to vilify the white population...this is what Hitler did to the Jews and it works very well with an unhappy electorate.

  • McFreak - 2011-09-12 15:25

    Anyway, it will be overturned in the Constitutional Court. Next on the agenda is the dispossession of whites of their property so that the fat can get fatter! There will never be any ostensible benefit for the poor people. Look northwards for the proof! What a pity!

  • AndV - 2011-09-12 15:25

    RACISTSSSSS!!!! You are suppose to unite people in SA. Th K-word is part of white history....

      ChumScrubber - 2011-09-12 15:44

      Not a part of our history we cling to. The word was banned by the apartheid regime in its latter years. Lets not copy these racist ANC numbskulls.