ANC backs Zuma on debate stance

2012-10-16 16:45

Johannesburg - The office of ANC chief whip Mathole Motshekga welcomed President Jacob Zuma's decision to not publicly debate with DA leader Helen Zille on the state of the economy.

"Perhaps Zille can explain to the public how affording her an opportunity for a grandstanding spectacle will bring the much-needed solution to the current challenges that the nation faces," his office said in a statement on Tuesday.

"No right-thinking president will be preoccupied with feeding the delusion of grandeur of one individual at the expense of finding an urgent... solution to the serious challenges facing millions of people."

On Monday, the Democratic Alliance leader said she would write to Zuma to call for a debate.

"All South Africans are presently deeply concerned about the state of our country, and particularly our economy," she said in a statement.

Zille said Zuma had not proved himself worthy of leading the country in the wake of escalating labour protests and the downgrading of the country's credit rating.

Motshekga's office said if Zille was serious, she should address her "yet-to-be-written letter" to African National Congress Western Cape chairperson, Marius Fransman.

"This will give her a good opportunity to outline her vision and plans for the Western Cape."

It said Zille missed the "perfect opportunity" to do so at the party's provincial conference at the weekend.

"In the eight-page speech delivered to the congress, Zille mentioned the 'ANC' and 'ANCYL' 24 times while only mentioning the 'DA' six times," it said.

"A leader of opposition, who is trapped in oppositionist (sic) politics... cannot be in a position to offer sound economic advice on the complex challenges facing the country and its people."

The presidency said on Monday that Zuma had declined Zille's request.

"The presidency sees no need to engage in any exercise that diverts attention from getting stakeholders to work together," presidential spokesman Mac Maharaj said in a statement.

The presidency was responding to media enquiries on the debate, as Zuma had not formally received Zille's request by Monday afternoon.

  • nikondaniel - 2012-10-16 16:56

    No debate due to lack of IQ.

  • hitting.thefan - 2012-10-16 16:57

    If I was the ANC I as well will do all in my power to prevent the debate because it will expose the ANC as a bunch of idiots following a buffoon. O yes as long as he provide a seat for them on the gravy train they will support him.The reason why Mbeki had to go was that he was willing to make unpopular decisions. Unlike Zuma that is even below the IQ level of George Bush and that is a accomplishment that is not easy to achieve.

      nico.dejongh.90 - 2012-10-16 20:47

      The cowboy has a brain like a computer that works with ones an naughts only. e.g. R 1 000 000 + 0 = R 10 000 000 .. si .. economics is child play.

  • bevan.carpenter.1 - 2012-10-16 16:58

    he can hardly speak without reading it off a pre-written sheet, no wonder he/they cannot 'man-up'

      ACvanNiekerk - 2012-10-16 17:04

      Carpenter you should know speech writing is only taught in Grade 11....

      desertratbkf - 2012-10-16 17:20

      If they did decide to, they would first ask for a list of questions, and go and do prepwek. And that would take a year!

  • jy.wilmos - 2012-10-16 16:59

    The ANC are correct to reject the challenge: A masterful debating performance from the President would put the public, business and foreign investors' minds at ease, and help stop some of the economic bleeding, and save thousands of jobs. What we would get instead - a half-witted stumblebum without an ounce of vision being torn to tiny pieces, dry-roasted, rolled and smoked like a fat zol by Helen Zille - would only make things worse as there is no prospect of getting rid of this blight any time soon.

      desertratbkf - 2012-10-16 17:24

      Brilliantly put!

      colin.dovey - 2012-10-16 18:02

      2014 is coming

      kyle.mclaren1 - 2012-10-31 10:57

      "Half-witted stumblebum". That's brilliant!! Nothing more needs to be said on the matter after this post...

  • bibi.vanzyl - 2012-10-16 16:59

    The only good decision made this year. Let's face and be realistic, he knows zip. He has a lot of more intelligent guys holding him up and their arms are getting tired.

  • kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-10-16 17:01

    Off course they would! Birds of a feather flock together. Or shall we say vultures rather. :(

  • clive.kihn - 2012-10-16 17:01

    Don't blame the ANC; Jake and his pea-brain - I never liked peas as a kid - wouldn't stand a chance against Helen's intelligence and logic.

  • Zimzon - 2012-10-16 17:02

    Zuma is a sissy, scary cat, but he is also clever because he knows Zille will crush him in debate....

  • ACvanNiekerk - 2012-10-16 17:03

    Hahahaha! So it seems @PresidencyZA is afraid of little old @HelenZille. Do you have a lot to hide Mr. Zuma? Can't face the crowd?

  • george.slade.161 - 2012-10-16 17:03

    It would actually give Zoomer the opportunity to come up with Solutions. The Coward however rather hides behind Puppet Spokespersons who dont know the difference between their front or rear orifices.

  • malcolm.baillie.50 - 2012-10-16 17:03


  • robert.dood.1 - 2012-10-16 17:04

    The ANC do not have the ability to debate. Zuma would loose hands down .

  • willem.leroux.75 - 2012-10-16 17:05

    Our president is a Chicken! Thism is a pure copout!

  • raath - 2012-10-16 17:05

    "...offer sound economic advice on the complex challenges facing the country and its people..." So by the ANC's own admission the economic advice from the DA is sound and worth of exploring - they probably can't face the embarrassment when the president can't say why they haven't thought of these solutions. The ANC better take the 'sound' advice - it might be the only ray of light in their "plans"

      mammudi.makgaleng.3 - 2012-10-16 17:52

      Don't 4get the words that says too much pride can destroy a man. That's simple as it. Nothing else but Pride

      mammudi.makgaleng.3 - 2012-10-16 17:52

      Don't 4get the words that says too much pride can destroy a man. That's simple as it. Nothing else but Pride

  • Skwertno1 - 2012-10-16 17:05


  • ndlovuvincent - 2012-10-16 17:05

    Big thank u for turning for turning down that request.Beside that JZ will not give adequate answers to the problems but my problem is that the president cannot allow some other people to dictate terms and divert his focus on other most important issues.Sorry madam,your debate will be scheduled for 2019 after general election when we have new leader with better understanding of what u claim your supporters are concerned about.That debate will be between u and Ramaphosa,someone who will match u pound for pound.

      joe.bat.52 - 2012-10-16 17:18

      so you admit it that he's not all up there between his ears! and you also wont admit that SA is in turmoil because of him! you are so blindsided!!

      raath - 2012-10-16 17:31

      Clearly you don't know what a democracy is, do you?

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-10-16 17:37

      Except, you just proved how ignorant you bunch ANC voters are. You will rather VOTE your idiots in, suffering for another 5 years, than talking about those issues NOW, and addressing them NOW, just by voting OUT your pathetic excuse of a "movement". Image the respect your dear Ramaphosa would earn if HE stepped out NOW and decided to debate Zille. Now that would have been spectacular, for both ANC and DA supporters. But instead, you stick to wishful thinking. If you're to sissy to debate the DA now, you will be to sissy to do so 2019. That is, IF South Africa as a democracy still EXISTS, then.

      maune.moima - 2012-10-16 17:46

      no ramaphosa is too big 4him, wil giv her sum-1 looking for spotlight jst lyk her, go busa rona moo 2helllllll

  • gavin.taylor.79 - 2012-10-16 17:06

    Politicians in a democracy debate. Dictators dictate. It's as simple as that.

  • bibi.vanzyl - 2012-10-16 17:09

    Zuma sees what he wants to see, and he hears what he wants to hear. The rest of the time his head is in the sand. How anybody, unless they have some sort of deal with Jacob, can vote him in for a 2nd term is beyond me. Do those guys not know what is happening with SA? Everything is spiraling out of control. Why are Africans so complacent and accepting of their lot.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-10-16 17:38

      Not all of them. Just the morons that vote ANC.

  • gary.doyle.520 - 2012-10-16 17:10

    Zuma can't debate, we've all seen the chuckling chimp in parliament. He shouldn't be intimidated though, he's actually to thick to be contradicted. We see that alot in the ANC!!

  • joe.bat.52 - 2012-10-16 17:10

    looking at the picture says it all...ek is bang vir die miesie..Whaaaahaa He stands no chance in the debate . SA is in turmoil and he will have no proof that SA is in goods hands!!!

  • Jeremy.Traygon.Opperman - 2012-10-16 17:10

    Our president is a coward! not hard anything from him... maybe he is too busy upgrading his home with other peoples money...

  • kala.bafazi - 2012-10-16 17:14

    "A leader of opposition, who is trapped in oppositionist (sic) politics... cannot be in a position to offer sound economic advice on the complex challenges facing the country and its people." Where on earth do these politicians come up with this cr@p. they look like utter fools at the expense of trying to sound intelligent.

      beyjgwen - 2012-10-16 17:26

      how doez a fool look lyk? Plz dnt make urclf a fool tryng to ansa da question

      sthembiso.jali.50 - 2012-10-16 17:29

      The problem with zille- she's not sure whether she is a politician or a jounalist. She spends more time investigating anc than to represent the people. There is only madonsela.

      george.pistorius - 2012-10-16 17:31

      ''LIKE'' you mean st#pidity showing now??

      carl.debeer.33 - 2012-10-16 17:43

      ANC jargon.

      clive.kihn - 2012-10-16 19:52

      Well said, Kala. As long as the masses think that only the ANC can be right - even when they are wrong, and no one else is capable of generating worthwhile and debatable ideas, we are doomed. And Jali, what "sound economic policies" has the ANC implemented - not discussed ad nauseum - to solve the "complex challenges" which we undoubtedly face?

  • denis.dendrinos - 2012-10-16 17:15

    "Perhaps Zille can explain to the public how affording her an opportunity for a grandstanding spectacle will bring the much-needed solution to the current challenges that the nation faces," his office said in a statement on Tuesday. "No right-thinking president will be preoccupied with feeding the delusion of grandeur of one individual at the expense of finding an urgent... solution to the serious challenges facing millions of people." Yet more convoluted, high end, pompous language that basically means "We don't want to be shown up, and we don't want to Give Zille a platform by which she might make more sense than us" At the end of the day, the ANC do NOT understand democracy, they do NOT understand the idea of a debate will empower people to choose the best people to run the country...... or maybe they do......

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-10-16 17:39

      No, but they do understand Afrodictonepohypocracy.

      FooFunk - 2012-10-17 09:05

      It was urgent 2 months ago.....coming to the table now is a little bit late hence the reason for a debate.....aka WTF have you been doing while the country has been going down the toilet.....questions need to be asked....eeeergh deeeergh!

  • gerrit.vanpletzen - 2012-10-16 17:17

    Of course they would. Wouldn't help the party if the madam made the president look like a fool, which he would if he tried to debate on something he has no clue about.

      tasmee.hylkema - 2012-10-16 23:42

      he looks like a fool at everything he does!!

  • customdesign - 2012-10-16 17:17

    It isn't the first time he has turned down a debate with the opposition. Even though he does not debate, I don't see why he does not do a proper state of the nation address. The country is in serious trouble and nobody knows where the government stands on these things. The have pulled our country through their *swearword* They are too interested in cashing in before Manguang and maybe keeping their positions to give a flying *swearword* about our economy. If they nibbed the strikes in the butt when they could have, we would not be downgraded by the international community and our economy would not be heading for a fall. Weak and corrupt leadership. It is pathetic.

      norman.buchalter - 2012-10-16 18:34

      Don't you know Zumit gets advice from Stevn Friedman who says there is nothing much wrong with the country. We have had strikes before, he says, and with less violence. We have had service protests before he says. We have had money flowing out the country before. we have had inflation before. So if the esteemed prof is to be believed, we have had crises before and so today's crisis is not something that will impoverish the poor any further, or destroy the country.He omits to explain how we get back from the brink this time though. Methinks a case of rose coloured spectacles or myopia?

  • mmaphongwana - 2012-10-16 17:18

    We all know her puppets will stand on her side as well,she deserves a debate with Malema not a president...I'm expecting 100 unlikes and julle siek Kommente

      Justin Mettew - 2012-10-16 17:23

      Trust me, you will be flooded by disillusioned comments from paranoid people believing all the wogwash from that woman!

      louiseroger.higham - 2012-10-16 17:34

      You're the sick one with your stupid comments, u already expecting negative comments dah thick head

      mmaphongwana - 2012-10-16 17:40

      Higham lol! And you made urself the first and foremost puppet commenting here,I bet the shoes just fit u neh!

      Michael - 2012-10-16 17:43

      Helen Zille had a dream at night where she was SA president, so she thinks she can just take the president on a debate, Zuma is the president in reality and Madam Zille and her followers must understand that dreams are not real during the day.

      mmaphongwana - 2012-10-16 18:19

      As I said,here they!

      charl.malan.12 - 2012-10-16 20:12

      Hope your shack is nice and comfy tonight, my house in Campsbay rocks!

      mmaphongwana - 2012-10-16 21:18

      Hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa! Just listen to your selfish comment of racism and oppression,mxm unfortunately for u I've never and will never be inside a shack if that's DA's plan,ek het n mooiste huis en n lekker bed,totsiens!!

      joe.bat.52 - 2012-10-16 21:25

      @ started with a stupid comment and you will get it back 10 folds ..not worth talking on the same level as you because your IQ is lower than malema and that says a lot.

      idille.borchers - 2012-10-17 07:56

      Mmaphongwana : I am very happy for you that you have the prettiest house and a nice bed and have never been in a shack. What worries me is that you, like the anc government, does not care two hoots about the millions who are still living in shacks, without water and sanitation and have no jobs. Enjoy your good life while you still have time.

      FooFunk - 2012-10-17 09:13

      If the president is to high and mighty then surely he should be man enough to have a little conversation with a little old lady....oh no wait he probably doesnt want to have to answer any other possible questions like R247m for Zumaville and R4.6 BILLION for entertainment......yeah you go ahead this is the type of person you are trying to justify.....please tell me how this all benefits you? And you think its unreasonable that the opposition party would want to have a debate....hes the president hes supposed to be challenged otherwise how the hell are we supposed to know if he is the right man for the job......well easy answer clearly hes not! I think this is the big misconception which everyone has....I/WE dont give a F who the president is only that they do their F'ing job and look after ALL of SA's people, EVERYONE not just him and his family and friends!!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-10-18 12:51

      I'm still waiting for a human to comment here... These all sound like they coming from some alien life form on this planet.

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-10-22 11:36

      It won't be a debate it will be a humiliating massacre for the showerhead and the ANC are well aware of it.

      kyle.mclaren1 - 2012-10-31 10:41

      The only people who vote for the ANC are people who benefit from corrupt tender activities or the uneducated masses who believe that the ANC will one day simply give them a house. mmaphongwana , I'm guessing you fall into one of those two categories?

  • Michael - 2012-10-16 17:18

    If H Zille has some ideas, she can give them to the president, why should there be a debate if ideas are in the best interest of the country? This is some cheap political strategy, and it wont work for SA voters.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-10-16 17:46

      Shall we answer? Because (1) the ANC never listens (2) the ANC and its supporters always call people with different ideas for the future of our country "racists" and "counter revolutionaries". Shall we add examples? The ANC were warned in 1996 not to mess with the education system. They FORCED Curriculum 2005 which destroyed the futures of millions of black South Africans. The ANC were warned in 1995 not to close agricultural, nursing and education colleges. They DID, with disatrous effects. The ANC were warned not to focus on superficial transformation, but to use "white" people at the top to HELP them achieve their goals rather than getting rid of them. The effets? Billing crisis; Bancrupt municipalities; Failed SAA; Failed SABC; Failed Transnet; Failed Post Office; Failed SANRAL; Failed Yskor; Failed Krygkor; Failed NIA; et al. The ANC were warned in 1997 not to allow unions too much power, and it's catching up with them now. The ANC were warned not to close state clinics and hospitals in 1999 - with disastrous effects. The ANC were warned to attend to Eskom in 1997 - with consequences. The ANC were warned to attend to the water crisis in Mpumalanga in 1998 - catching up with them now. The ANC were warned not to disband farm security structures - with more and more farm workers out of jobs, decreased production, and essentially turning as from a producer to a consumer due to murders. The ANC were warned not to mess with fiscal policy in 2001. Need more examples?

      Michael - 2012-10-16 18:48

      You can not defend systems that isolated other people , eg, education policy and curriculum had to change so that all learners in this country receive the same education, teacher training colleges had to be reduced because there were too many teachers who didnt have jobs because homelands created by apartheid regime could only train their people on this areas while you people were doing engineering and boiler making, economic policy had to be changed to enabble those who were sidelined to have access also, and thats why today we have black people in high strategic position in many corporates, any black child who is not studing hard can not blame this on the change of education policy.

      loki.scribus - 2012-10-16 19:39

      @Michael: The purpose of debate is to encourage transparency at the top; it's to bring politicians closer to the people; it is intended to ensure that ordinary people have the opportunity to make informed decisions. In fact, debating is close to the foundation of a democratic system. You have to recognise that everyone on this forum wants to see the country work - that's why they're so upset. So they have the same ultimate goal as you (I assume). But when something doesn't work, and when it continues to fail the people, they'll automatically think back to the last time it did work. It's human nature. You don't need to join the DA, but I suggest you do your own objective research and come to your own conclusions instead of believing what those at the top of a non-transparent organisation tell you.

      idille.borchers - 2012-10-17 08:07

      You obviously have not read the article. If she has any ideas she has to write to Marius Fransman, hahaha. The President is too busy figuring out how to lay hands on more of our money, than to apply his mind to such unimportant matters as getting the country out of the mess it has tumbled into through the incompetence of the anc government. If you cannot comprehend the seriousness of the situation then I feel very sorry for you and your ilk. None so blind as those who do not want to see.

      kyle.mclaren1 - 2012-10-31 10:47

      With reference to dewaldmontgomery. I believe the ANC orchestrated the downfall of the SA education system. This being that if they keep the "dumbed-down", uneducated masses that way, they can enjoy many more years in power as the people will be oblivious to there activities. It can't have simply got that bad from maladministration?

  • deemanyuwa - 2012-10-16 17:20

    Our president is a coward.

  • siphiwo.maurice - 2012-10-16 17:20

    I think the Presidency should have allowed the debate. It is in the spirit of engaging that we can find the solution in the areas that are burning as we speak. We have witnessed that, dodging the engagement, ultimately results into one party feeling sidelined and or. It is about talking now.

  • bill.mckimm.9 - 2012-10-16 17:22

    Makes sense. What political party would want this chop debating. He has enough trouble reading a speach which has been written for him. Boy have we got the government we voted for.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-10-16 17:48

      I for sure didn't vote for him. Did you? Really?

  • ptmakgato - 2012-10-16 17:22

    Bunch of selfish animals trying to hide behind people whom they don't give a damn about. What better solution could you possibly come with when the only best thing u can do is to missuse our monies...go on a debate with Zille so u can expose your stupidity suckers

      nico.dejongh.90 - 2012-10-16 21:04

      Thanks girl, you are proof that the youth's eyes are opening up.

  • goodguy.buthelezi - 2012-10-16 17:24

    We dont have time for debates, we have a country to run OK. If you want debates, go open a political party in Europe or America not here!

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-10-16 17:50

      You just PROVED why democracy is a dismal failure in Africa. Because you don't understand it. Democracy is ABOUT LISTENING TO OTHER PARTIES, ENGAGING WITH THEM, and WORKING TOGETHER, not on your own. Democracy is about exchanging ideas, about understanding different perspectives, and never about dictating and forcing just one group's will. Welcome to Afrodictohyponepocracy.

      rofhiwa.ronald.1 - 2012-10-16 18:39

      @goodguy.buthelezi do u know that we r adopted the very same wersten democracy which is from european countries. Ihope ur were not sober when u write this :::ONE:::

      idille.borchers - 2012-10-17 08:19

      Well , you have been doing a very good job of running the country INTO THE GROUND OK. Maybe if there had been more debates instead of so much 'meeting and eating' the country might have been in better shape right now. Have you noticed how disgustingly overweight people in government and with government connections have become while the vast majority of your voters look like stick figures.

  • jola.jose.7 - 2012-10-16 17:26

    Where is the anc that we all love and respect the anc who always debate discussed with everyone and win the discussion,they must ask mr mbeki debate on behalf of zuma .CHIICKENS!!!!!

  • pmalungana - 2012-10-16 17:28

    It a game of politics hey

      nico.dejongh.90 - 2012-10-16 21:16

      Mmampara mara and zanele go back to school.

  • janzanele - 2012-10-16 17:28

    I agree with the majority that ANC is turndown Madam's debate because it's won't serve any good.1 she is a leader of Western Cape were black people are still oppressed,by so saying they do have proper housing,sanitation while she still want a debate and on top of that you go to Midvaal white people are racist,so she must first radicate those things politics you must come with facts not story or hearsay

      mmaphongwana - 2012-10-16 17:48

      Gud point Zanele,she must first debate about Western Cape,qha ke!

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-10-16 17:55

      Oppressed? With 24 new schools in black areas with TOP infrastructure - better than in "model C" schools in "white" areas? With more houses built in Khaya in 10 years, than the ANC managed to do in Mamelodi or Soshanguve in 18 years? With a rapid bus system ALREADY working in the business areas, and already being rolled out to Khaya and Mitchells, while Tshwane hasn't even STARTED yet? And Jozi's buses only run on ONE route? While tarring and redoing more than 400km roads in Cape areas in 10 years than the ANC in both Limpopo, Mpuma and Eastern Cape? (Without TOLLING them?)? While people from the EASTERN CAPE (run by the ANC) flock the Cape (run by the DA) looking for a better life? And while the last ANC strongholds voted out their representatives in Cape Town, and voted in independent and DA candidates? (Just as a side node, it's also happened with one of your "black" wards in Tshwane, if I dare mention it). Many black people are tired of your racial politics and ideology. Some will abstain from voting, and some will turn their backs on you. And those are the people "white" people, really care about. Because they are willing to think beyond "race" for a change.

      dee.bone.39 - 2012-10-16 18:01

      @janzanele. You can darem talk rubbish ne

  • beyjgwen - 2012-10-16 17:29

    this lady is too hungry 4 power

      louiseroger.higham - 2012-10-16 17:30

      No ANC scared of the truth

      dee.bone.39 - 2012-10-16 17:55

      we all gonna b hungry soon with this Zuma and Malema leaders. They have the power and want to eat everything. Nxaa

      la.maepa - 2012-10-16 18:30

      You are right she is bcos she knows she can do much better than this corrupt moneyhungry monster who's abusing

  • ctomose - 2012-10-16 17:30

    Zuma is a coward he knew clear dat he ws going 2 b exposd lyk a dog caught eatng eggs!!Its been two mnths nw since de mining strike startd,bt he has done Zero.Nkandla nd marryng again is de only thngs in hs mind.Anyway He doesnt care cos he hs neva work underground nxaa!

  • Mtuba4u - 2012-10-16 17:31

    Sounds like the ANC has something that they want kept private, what exactly are they afraid of? do they (The ANC) perhaps fear that pertinent questions will be posed that they do not want the public to be aware of? If waht they say here is true, then a public debate will make the opposition look like a fool, and they should take this opportunity to ridicule the opposition properly. How ever their neglect to take up this opportunity leads the public to believe that the ANC is either afraid of this debate, or they (the ANC) think we the public are idiots. Which statment to think is correct?

      idille.borchers - 2012-10-17 08:27

      The anc is afraid of debate and they have no respect for the electorate.

  • louiseroger.higham - 2012-10-16 17:38

    Like her or hate her she can sort this country out, let's face it the ANC has had ample time all they and their followers do is blame aparhtied. How many years do they need to govern this counrty properly instead of bringing it to its knees. Which only the educated can see coming.

  • jimmy.sekgobela.39 - 2012-10-16 17:39

    Zuma don't know much about the economy. If he accept debate he will be exposed.

  • gavin.taylor.79 - 2012-10-16 17:39

    "at the expense of finding an urgent solution to the serious challenges facing millions of people." We have seen the urgency to those problems, shown by the anc in eighteen years. We have seen the urgency shown by yourself in the four years since you took over the presidency. Most of all, we've seen the urgency with which you have acted during the strikes and the situation as it has unfolded. It is precisely because you have shown NO urgency, that the country faces these "serious challenges". Tarnnogi Nuct.

      idille.borchers - 2012-10-17 08:37

      How can you expect a person with a grade 4 education to show any urgency? It takes him for ever to 'apply his mind'. What concerns me is that the body of the anc is not extremely embarrassed by this buffoon they have chosen as their leader. They have an opportunity to correct their terrible mistake at the upcoming meeting at Mangaung. We can only hope that sanity will prevail.

  • kimard - 2012-10-16 17:40

    how grown up to run another party leader down - actually the word is sick! zuma cant face the public music - useless EF!!

      idille.borchers - 2012-10-17 08:38

      The best form of defense is attack

  • Slagen Magidi - 2012-10-16 17:47

    SA must first liberate itself from Britain and American control

      JamesMWood - 2012-10-16 18:08

      More the chinese you should be worried about

      charl.malan.12 - 2012-10-16 19:48

      The country is liberated you hogwash!

      nico.dejongh.90 - 2012-10-16 21:36

      Africa must liberate itself from their own suicidal tendencies. Zim is a very good example.

  • zamani.myende - 2012-10-16 17:49

    zuma is a coward and a puppet

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2012-10-16 17:49

    The first question for zille - what's is a different between her office

      louiseroger.higham - 2012-10-16 17:54

      Your comment is a no brainer

      hudayfah.newman - 2012-10-16 18:27

      Bwahaahahahahahahaaahaha! Man this comment almost made me choke on my supper. You wanted to sound clever didn't you? Instead you look incredibly stupid lol

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-10-16 18:34

      Whaaaaa hahahahahahaha ha hahahahahahaha

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-10-16 18:37

      WTF dude?, if this is the calibre of questions we can expect from the ANC , Hellen will wipe the floor with these idiots, please tell me you're not writing zoom zooms speeches

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-10-16 18:38

      The first answer that comes to mind is: 36

      idille.borchers - 2012-10-17 08:40


      mike.down.5492 - 2012-10-22 11:42

      What's the question, I didn't get it ?????

  • ron.samuels.129 - 2012-10-16 17:56

    In most democratic countries there are debates between party leaders,the notion that Zille should debate in the western Cape is an utterly stupid excuse by the ANC to avoid.She is the national leader of the DA. The ANC brass know exactly what the outcome would be,Zuma would be crushed and embarrassed.This refusal shows that this government has no concept to make public,no grip how to right the ship,just a bunch of morons and thieves!Vote for Zille!

  • terry.burne - 2012-10-16 17:56

    There is not one of the ANC cabinet who have the intellect to debate with Hellen Zille. They will squirm and try to deflect the question - but they have no answer for the mess that they have created of the South African economy, and the last thing that any of them want is to be exposed on national television as the bunch of clueless idiots that they truly are!

  • buti.lembe - 2012-10-16 17:57

    It's only Malema who'll debate with Zille not Zuma.

  • goodguy.buthelezi - 2012-10-16 18:02

    Zille just proved what a Dom-Kop she is. Half of the nation speak/understand English yet you want to challange the President on a public debate.. Where is the logic?

      idille.borchers - 2012-10-17 08:43


      mike.down.5492 - 2012-10-22 11:43

      Goodguy your village is calling you!

  • ndlovuvincent - 2012-10-16 18:03

    @joe.bat.55-Do not be flattered by Zille's request for a public debate with Zuma and think that debate will a panecea to the ills of our economy and think that it would be an overnight solution.With regards to democracy,Zuma's refusal to have a public debate has got nothing to do with democracy unless u do not understand the meaning of the word itself.Zille is using her full right to request but she cannot force Zuma,that is why she did a professional thing by writing qa letter to the presidency.If u could explain to me how this debate will benefit me as an ordinary citizen,then I will agree with u.This must prove to u that ANC is no stupid,they are clever like the DA.I give Zille some credits for trying her luck but she must wait for 2019 after election,we will have a best candidate to match her inch for inch.

      terry.burne - 2012-10-16 18:14

      Ah Vincent - the whole point of a public debate is for both parties (the leaders of the ANC and DA) to present their proposed solution to the economic crisis facing this country. They would then each be able to challenge the opposing party's proposals. In a debate such as this, the general public would then be able to see which party had the better solution for the economic woes that we face. The ANC know full well that Jacob Zuma would be exposed as the bumbling buffoon that he realy is, and that he hasn't got a clue how to solve the economic problems of South Africa. They also know that if the general voting population got to hear the DA proposals for themselves, instead of the ANC propoganda that they normally get fed, that many of them might decide to switch their allegiance to the DA. The ANC know this - and will no way allow themselves to be shown up as the useless bunch of idiots that they are!

      ernest.oelofse - 2012-10-16 18:40

      Ah Vincent. I have a problem. 2019? We must wait until 2019? The ANC's fat cat black elite has run our beloved country into the dirt. By 2019 people in the cities will be killing each other for a drink of water. As it is they murder, maim and threaten for the cost of a cheap cell phone. There is no time left, boet.

      joe.bat.52 - 2012-10-16 21:51

      Zille didnt force Zuma..she challenged Zuma to a debate. He declined because he is sh*ts scared he will be caught out with all the lies, inaccuracy,accountability and failure to the people of SA. its called protocol for writing a letter to the President of this country. its like in the old days when people sit in a circle and debate about the pros and cons from either side. the form of democracy improves knowledge and creates innovation ideas to improve either a community or sector of the surrounding. in this case SA has failed dismally and you dont see it.. you are just as stupid as the ANC.

      idille.borchers - 2012-10-17 08:51

      We cannot wait for 2019. Even another 2 years of Zuma is going to be beyond disastrous. The only people who are promoting him for another term are those who are partaking in the feeding frenzy or still hoping to get in on the act. The same goes for those who want Thuli Madonsela investigated.