ANC bemoans doubt on committee

2011-11-16 20:34

Johannesburg - It was unfortunate the ANC Youth League had chosen to cast doubt on the party's national disciplinary committee (NDC), the ANC said on Wednesday.

"Some of the issues raised by the youth league are issues they need to take to the appeal process and make those arguments there," the African National Congress said.

"We find it very unfortunate that they have chosen to cast doubt on the NDC, the process of the NDC itself and the outcome thereof."

The ANC, nevertheless, welcomed the pronouncement by leaders of the ANCYL that they would appeal against the NDC outcome.

ANCYL president Julius Malema, league spokesperson Floyd Shivambu, deputy president Ronald Lamola, treasurer general Pule Mabe, secretary general Sindiso Magaqa and deputy secretary general Kenetswe Mosenogi were sanctioned by the NDC last Thursday.


Malema was given a five-year suspension and told to vacate his position as president and Shivambu was suspended for three years and also told to vacate.

The other four leaders all had their youth league membership suspended for two years. This sanction was suspended for three years.

Malema said on Wednesday the league rejected the outcome of the disciplinary hearings and would appeal against the convictions.

There was suspicion and concern over the legitimacy of the hearings, he said, contending the decision to suspend the leaders was taken before the hearings started.

ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe and spokesperson Jackson Mthembu had made statements to this effect, Malema said.

The NDC was convened "merely" to give the conviction legitimacy.

Mantashe had said the ANCYL had "crossed a line" before the disciplinary hearing started, and Mthembu had made a statement, on behalf of the party, that the ANC could not harbour the leaders of the ANCYL.

Not pre-determined

The ANC said the statements made by the two were never raised as a factor in deciding the sanctions by the NDC.

"Issues that were pertinent to the sanction were isolated individually and addressed in terms of why they constituted in the words of the NDC "violations" and consequently how these impacted on the ANC's integrity as an organisation," the party said.

"Both the SG [secretary general] and the spokesperson are not members of the NDC and therefore they could not have pre-determined through their commentary the outcome of the NDC."

The ANC said it was satisfied that the competence of the NDC was not questionable.

Malema on Wednesday also said that the disciplinary hearings were used to settle a political score and that NDC chairperson Derek Hanekom had a political agenda.

Hanekom publicly said the youth league's policy on expropriation of land without compensation would not happen as long as he was in the ANC.

The ANC denied this, saying that the youth league leaders were never charged for calling for economic freedom, nationalisation and land grabs without compensation.

"Any insinuation that the charges brought against them as well as the outcomes thereof were "political" is therefore without any substance," it said.

The ANC said it was disturbed at what it described as attempts to divide party leaders with regard to last week's suspension of ANCYL leaders.

"There is no doubt in our mind that the process, as well as the outcome of the recent disciplinary hearings, enjoys the respect and acceptance by all leaders of the ANC and members," the party said.

  • spookhuis - 2011-11-16 20:47

    What the hell did you grew a demon, and now you are surprised.

      Sky - 2011-11-16 21:17

      I am confused: "the league rejected the outcome of the disciplinary hearings and would appeal against the convictions" How do you appeal a case if you rejected the outcome? If you reject the DC, then you by implication also reject any further appeal procedures..

      Sky - 2011-11-16 21:20

      I hope the new ANCYL leader will be a young, smart, educated black girl...

      Squeegee - 2011-11-16 21:22

      He just does not know when to shut up. In every statement he is pushing the leadership of the ANC further away. Time to get tough on this barking mutt.

      GAMMAT - 2011-11-16 21:27

      They were too busy considering the vote implications for their own aspirations to realize they were fostering a mutinous group of radical warmongers. Now its grown into a very uncomfortable situation. They should act now, decisively and swiftly with political surgery, and remove the cancer before (if not) its too late.

      Vusi - 2011-11-16 21:38

      @Sky. His English is not good and the media purposely take his words and twist it so they can sell newspapers. By this I am not defending him at all, he is menace. Every article I read I have to figure out what is he really trying to say. When he said he rejects the outcome, he actually meant he isn't happy with the outcome and will appeal. This happens all the time. Every sentence this madman speaks gets printed or posted out of context and written to create a mass hysteria. This is the end of his ANC career as he has known it. From here onwards he will become a liberation movement funded by Mugabe and Friends and will attract the poor in South Africa as a constituency. The "rich" of the ANC will never relinquish power and have agendas that will horrify us if knew what they were really doing behind our backs, and sadly their day to day activities have nothing to do with governing this country, but all to do with enriching themselves. At this time in our history we don't really have a formal government, we are just floating out there at sea and nobody within the ANC is showing true leadership. This phenomena started when Mbeki took over and has never stopped. The DA will never become a "black" party because Mrs. Zille isn't going to relinquish her position either. It is a game of egos. We will only be saved by a new party (not COPE, again egos got in the way) Because until we have a strong opposition our misery won't end.

      GAMMAT - 2011-11-16 21:48

      Vusi, you speak my language. For sure, we need a new party, one without greedy corrupt people. I propose that this party should employ leaders in their perspective fields, true professionals to start real meaningful dialog and leaders with expertise and practical ways of lifting this wonderful country to new heights where everyone with good intentions can benefit. Hey Vusi, where's the draft?

      Had - 2011-11-16 21:59

      Vusi - I am usually in agreement with your sentiments but I cannot agree with what you say about the DA. You are talking Black & White now which we do not want. The DA is doing a tremendous job for all South Africans - irrespective of race. Another party will not strengthen the opposition but will fragment it & this is something we do not need.

      Vusi - 2011-11-16 22:16

      @Gammat. Doing research here all the time. Draft coming up. Will be done by Monday. @Had. The DA does wonderful work Had, I'm not disputing that, but the people with money, on the other side of the fence, will never vote for the DA. They are all on the Gravy Train and it would be very unfashionable in Johannesburg's Northern Suburbs to be black and NOT vote for the ANC. It is a status symbol! Sad but true! The people that are keeping the ANC going, live in the North and the people suffering because they vote for the ANC live in the South of Johannesburg. The ones in the North, can tell the ones in the South anything, and they will be believed because they arrive in a black Merc and that is what EVERYBODY within the ANC believe they will have one day if they keep voting them in. This strategy has worked for 17 years and all Malema is saying.....time to produce the goods! He just doesn't know how to say it in proper English and the media are having a field day with this.

      spookhuis - 2011-11-16 22:19

      @ VusiMabaso -Helen has openly said she would give up power to a better leader. So what now?

      Vusi - 2011-11-16 22:28

      Spookhuis, then she must do this so we can get on with life. As simple as that! I still stand by my point, that her ego is also way too big to unite our country!

      Vusi - 2011-11-16 23:57

      Now for something that will horrify all of you, but I will always be true to myself and look at facts soberly and try and work with "what works" for all of us. Hilary Clinton would have made a far far better President than Obama could ever dream to be! I can't stand him, he is a puppet and his administration can't get over soon enough now. Having said this country, taking ALL cultures into account, the DA would have gained far more votes if they had been lead by a black man. You can all stone me now, but that is another truth we have to look straight in the face and admit. Now Auntie Zille is grooming another woman to take over from her. Why do I keep getting this horrible feeling that she has a "thing" about women in control? Is it a gender thing or is she really grooming the right person for the job? I can't shake this feeling off!!!!

      CALAMITYSA - 2011-11-17 08:07

      Vusi - Agree with you - A black leader would have helped with votes FOR the DA. Shows you what the CULTURAL thinking means. It means NOT using your brain. Do you know the speech of Churchill after he lost the election against Atley after the voting age was changed to 18 from 21? If you don't let me know.

      Kala - 2011-11-17 09:08

      @ Vusi - It's all very well for us to say that Malema's english is not all that good and that the media then twist his words. If the media "correct" his english for the sake of their publications they would then be accused of misquoting him. I personally think the best option for him is to just not say anything at all.

  • Rodney - 2011-11-16 20:53

    If this turd doesn't shut up, why the hell don't the ANC throw him out of the party, thereby effectively banning him from being part of the ANCYL? If the ACNYL refuse to accept the outcome, disband the movement, it's past it's sell by date anyway. Come on guys, it's not rocket science.

      spookhuis - 2011-11-16 21:06

      The tail is wagging the dog.

      Lordwick - 2011-11-17 18:55

      They won't throw him out cz it's your future president.I fail to understand you and the majority of this site cz Mandela was regarded a terrorist ,bad leader,then comes Mbeki,you were still crying.Now i regard your noise as the real one cz neither of the past and the present ANC president has ever spoken about the issues DR Julias Malema is.....aren't you maybe smelling the real democracy coming?

  • Mike - 2011-11-16 21:13

    This is not going to help the youth league, they are seriously pissing off the ANC by publicly trying to make a conspiracy out of their suspensions, they are going to get a hostile respone as they are totally unrepentant and arrogant. There is a process of appeal so they must use that and keep their mouths shut. They joined the ANC voluntarily and must abide by their constitution, otherwise start your own party!

      Vusi - 2011-11-16 22:01

      Mike he doesn't understand that. In his head, and rightfully so, he has been brainwashed from an early age, as young as 12, that the ANC is a "communist" party. By that I mean, everything in white control, houses and companies will be given back to us. They voted for it, and never got it. He is just demanding what he was promised. Like a naughty child he is sulking about the beating he was given. He had nobody to guide him in life, to show him how to play political games. He is actually brutally honest about who he is and what he stands for. The danger in all of this is the fact that Mugabe has succeeded in getting a conduit to come sell all the Zimbabwean rubbish over here, because Mugabe is behind his retarded thinking. Has any of our Presidents done anything to stop the crazy old lunatic in Zimbabwe? No and it is because of that, that us the citizens of this country no longer know where we are going or where we actually came from. Did we vote communism in, in 1994 or capitalism? Does anybody on here have an answer to that? The sly ones in this game, are actually the ANC, because they are using him to show the world that we are a "democracy", which as all of you know, we are far from being!

  • tony_soprano - 2011-11-16 21:17

    The 30-year-old "manchild" Malema defiantly claims he was a victim of a political witch hunt by the ANC Leadership in his first news conference since that ruling. Sad & bitter Malema all of a sudden seems to make a lorry load of empty threats that's falling on deaf ears like..."I’m not worried about being locked up" referring to his ongoing investigation by the police and tax officials into his business dealings. So be it then please lock the bastard away for good please... Some of the other garbage he came out with were... Asked on Wednesday if his feelings toward Zuma had changed since then,Malema replied:"I have no feelings for President Zuma.My relationship with President Zuma remains a political relationship and it has got nothing to do with feelings...I have no desire to lead a 'toothless' organization(ie the ANC I reckon)where young leaders aren’t allowed to speak out...only the willfully blind can believe that this matter is purely about discipline and not intended to settle political scores and stifle debate." My understanding was that the clown wasn't even capable of any sort of debate let alone a political one. For investors,the biggest problem in the mining sector is not so much Malema's loud-mouth outbursts regarding nationalization of the platinum mines,but ANC regulators willingness to approve sweetheart deals that benefit the politically connected Elite Members at the expense of the free market.

  • Xavier7034 - 2011-11-16 21:24

    Malema, as we all know, (if we judge him by his many and varied utterances) is a very thick plank. But the trouble is, he has a horde of VERY THICK planks following him, hanging on to his every word, and many of them too, have a "G" in woodwork. There is a dangerous brew bubbling away in the cradle of the ANC pot, and very shortly it is going to all boil over, with possible dangerous consequences for stability in SA.

      GAMMAT - 2011-11-16 21:39

      I agree, Malema is definitely not an intellectual challenge. What dumb statement from Malema as counter argument accusing Mantashe of witch hunting by saying "he has crossed a line" before the disciplinary hearing, I mean, for the love of life, that is why there was a hearing. To add to the irony, Malema said earlier that he never held a proper job. To me that is a confession to ill begotten wealth.

      Teboho - 2011-11-17 11:46

      Malema is just a loud mouth, Che` mast be turning in he`s grave.

  • Zebelon - 2011-11-16 21:42

    Malema & co. have gone to a public forum as their first centre of appeal although they still intend going to the NDC Appeal forum to present the same allegations and arguments. They are clearly making use of the public, ANC and all else, to put pressure on the Appeal body to reverse the sentences mitted out to them, and to put pressure on any other appeal structure available. The ANC is standing on its head.

  • Jay - 2011-11-16 21:44

    Good student Juju, good student. If my memory serves me well: The preferred strategy with the Zuma trials was casting doubt on the judiciary. And any possible ruling that they (Zuma, Juju and all the other noise makers included) considered counter revolutionary! So what did you expect, you taught the young man well.

  • GAMMAT - 2011-11-16 21:51

    This is madness, I am horrified and sad to see how South Africa has swung from one extreme to the other. There is tremendous goodwill in the majority of South Africans, we don't need another dictator style rule in this country. The Apartheid era is gone, we can only address the inequalities in this country with dialog and goodwill, and hard work.

  • alan.carstens - 2011-11-16 21:57

    The current ANC leaders have no balls. They will change their story after the elections. All politics. Come on man, we want unity!!!!!

      John - 2011-11-17 00:09

      It is not that they have no balls. They just have a GREAT need for self gratification and F%$k the rest. These guys are not stupid. When you can make statements like 'the ANC will rule until the coming of Christ', shows a mind set of confidence. They know (or think) that the majority of SA are happy with their EMPTY promises. TOTAL RULE, TOTAL CORRUPTION.

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  • Rob - 2011-11-17 07:23

    @VusiMabaso: You do seem ton have an issue with the idea that a women might be more able to lead (forgive me if I am wrong), but let me help you a bit here. I believe that education is critical for leadership positions, not only to increase respect but to have greater world awareness. This factor has been battered and punished by 'business as usual (nespotism in its various forms)' for many ANC positions, both national and local. Now consider this: Take a look at the proportion of female to male students attending and completing studies at tertiary institutions. I did a quick assessment by watching a couple of days at UNISA registration. More than 70% female, and almost all black. On merit then, who should get the jobs?

  • Merven - 2011-11-17 07:44

    Hopefully Malema pizzes the ANC off so good that he will end up like Kebble.

  • CALAMITYSA - 2011-11-17 08:00

    Get to know them - please. And tell Tokyo to open his eyes as well. Or is this gutlessness part of the cultures which you make songs about? Show the world you van act and act quickly!!

  • John - 2011-11-17 09:06

    To Sky. You can wish for an educated black girl like the one in the DA. but I have news for you: I am black, educated (Bsc and MSc in engineering plus an MBA)- qualifications that your educated black girl do not have, I run my own business and I am part of the economic freedom revolution. Get your young educated black girl - won't succeed.

      Teboho - 2011-11-17 11:53

      John, from what I have just red you don`t sound anything like an educated black person.....shame*

  • leko.dada1 - 2011-11-18 16:36

    @vusi mabaso you lacking knowledge about ANC/ANCYL ,so true wen they say ,'LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS DANGEROUS'.you fooling yoseif.wen u done...then join ANC/ANCYL

  • leko.dada1 - 2011-11-18 17:06

    ey' Teboho dnt be such a fool calling those holding diferent views against yours as un-educated...that shows u think education is yo degree/diploma certificate or speaking and writting fluent english as educated

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