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ANC blocks Parliament debate on Zuma

2012-11-15 10:47

Cape Town - The ANC has used its majority in the National Assembly to block a debate on a motion of no confidence in President Jacob Zuma.

Die Burger reported on Thursday that ANC chief whip Mathole Motshekga said the opposition's proposed motion was frivolous and unnecessary.

The ANC's parliamentary caucus met on Wednesday to discuss the motion.

DA chief whip Wattie Watson and Cope's Juli Kilian wanted to know if the ANC was afraid of a debate, or a secret ballot.

Eight opposition parties last week gave notice of a motion of no confidence in Zuma, with DA parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko saying that "under his leadership the justice system has been politicised and weakened; corruption has spiralled out of control; unemployment continues to increase, the economy is weakening, and the right of access to quality education has been violated".

Comments
  • camp.j - 2012-11-15 10:52

    There can be only ONE reason for this, they know there is a strong possibility there would be unanimous support. This block has done Zuma more harm than good, watch the space.

      Eterni80 - 2012-11-15 11:10

      I'm sure that whenever JZ has visited Zimbabwe, it was for lessons on how to stay in power..

      morris.khunou - 2012-11-15 11:34

      If you can clarify how harmful? True that it was a political game that sought to take advantage of ANC MP not in favour of Zuma. The game was not succesfull please dont scandalise it.

      jack.milano.104 - 2012-11-15 11:39

      Nzimande and the commies want to create a law to stop Zuma insults. Welcome Africa to SA. Jean-Bédel Bokassa of the Central African Republic declared himself "king" of the Central African Empire. He made it compulsory to refer to him as "His Imperial Majesty" How long before showerhead starts...

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-11-15 11:48

      DOWN WITH ANC!!!!

      Claudia_Meads - 2012-11-15 11:50

      Welcome to INSANIA... For the record: On this day, the ANC has formally NATIONALZED INCOMPETANCE - it has now given itself the unapposed right to appoint the the most incompetant freaks it can find, to the highest positions conceivable.

      camp.j - 2012-11-15 11:52

      @Morris, the ANC is merely protecting Zuma, i shall repeat myself, watch the space!

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-11-15 11:53

      I ask everyone who wants to comment against the current regime to add this as a signature: "DOWN WITH ANC!!!" I am SICK and TIRED of hearing news about how we whites hate the blacks and how we insult them and what not! ANC is a RACIST REGIME and we need ONCE AGAIN to fight the good fight against ANOTHER apartheid regime... Together means - all colours as one under the name Citizen of South Africa! ANC PLEASE get this fact right! Black fellow South Africans - PLEASE see past colours and understand that the anc is stepping al over your intelligence so that they can rule like dictators in the rest of africa. Let's stand united against a new regime of hate called the anc regime. They are so scarred to have a public debate, one in the parlament, because they are hiding behind media and laws and whatever else so that they do not get exposed publicly for what they really stand - they stand for themselves and for divide! We have fought this kind of evil before let's do it again! Please see us the whites as your compatriots and not your enamies the way the anc wants you to see us. DOWN WITH ANC!!!

      camp.j - 2012-11-15 13:26

      @Kagiso and Morris, i'm gonna offer you guys some free food for thought so sit and enjoy. Have you for one minute considered that had the ANC allowed the vote and JZ had come out on top (as you claim he would) that it would have rendered him virtually untouchable and thoroughly vindicated? Just saying!

      djmain1 - 2012-11-15 13:27

      The cANCer doesn't feel it is answerable to anyone - least of all the SAfrican public! Phansi cANCer, phansi!!!

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-11-15 13:46

      @kagiso.booi - the anc members are scared of going against one of their own! Look at the deaths and the death threaths this "peace-loving" anc is dishing out! The idea of this was to allow the anc members to voice their opinions SECRETLY and allow a change within the anc without anyone being in danger of being persecuted or even killed afterwards..! It is SAD that it has to come down to requesting a secret vote instead of using the normal democratic ways! But even so, the anc has put their members on the spot and requested them to block this move because THEY KNOW that there is unrest WITHIN the anc itself. @morris.khunou - your comment indicates that there is NO DEMOCRACY in sa as you seem to IMPOSE on me and others that our votes do not count because the anc will be voted in power whatever may come. Corruption, crime, dictatorship - you guys want it JUST because it is the anc! However, I would like to remind you of the wonderful dictatorships up in africa that have recently been removed by the force of the common people who are GATVOL of being walked on by the few that you guys love to keep in power at the expense of peache and unity. The history is FILLED with failed one-man power centers! You guys OBVIOUSLY have not learned from the past..! Don;t worry lessons will soon be dished out! But SERIOUSLY why do you want to get malema as the pres.??? Is he not corrupt and a chancer that loves to leech on the pain of the poor masses for his personal gains?

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-11-15 13:49

      @morris.khunou - are you guys not satisfied with your women? Why go into Claudia's character using your bellow-the-belt approach? Are you related to that d!ck-head zuma? Besides he is into ugly fat ones, Claudia is by far above the president in many ways! and I put it to you that you are a RACIST!

      morris.khunou - 2012-11-15 14:28

      @ John> Which ever way you look at it John, certainly it was a dangerous motion to allow as its origin sought to take advantage of the pre-Mangaung lobying. It was possibly ochestrated wit the help of some in the ANC opposing Zuma, solely because their lack of support for him will result in Zuma not prefering them on his second term. Hence my reference to it as a political game. The ANC was quiet right not to experiment with the end results as this was going to polarise the organisation and even bring unintended consequenses and unwanted presidences in the politics of our country! Your insinuations on free food spoils what nearly became a civil and educated discussion! But keep well you have a potential to be level headed and sober!

      morris.khunou - 2012-11-15 14:53

      @Anikevander> My suport of ANC is based on policy, principle and conviction.Our support of the ANC does not mean that we support corruption and related problems faced by the organisation. Many of the corruption you here about is leaked to the media and opposition by members of the ANC. MANY OF US ANI ARE OPPOSED TO CORRUPTION, BUT WE CHOOSE TO FIGHT IT FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES, I choose from within and you choose to fight it in the opposition. Start to campaign very hard for 2014 election, we will start campaigning three months before,lets see who wins! Good luck! .... As for Claudia, common man, Get a life man and have a sence of humour! You are stressing too much! Claudia is much more intelligent as I read her postings and I am sure she will not struggle to realise this is a joke! Are jokes not allowed here?

      morris.khunou - 2012-11-15 15:07

      @Anikeventer > Many here know that Malema is not my favourite and always vehemetly opposed to what he represents both in character and ideology. I used "maybe" with reference to what he said that one day he is going to rule the ANC. I dont see that happening in our life time to make you feel easy. But who knows people my need him epecially if this arrogance and disrespect of black people continues.Political maturity and tolerence is needed, but this is usually a problem with emerging democracies like ours! untill then keep well!

  • john.kirkwood.9619 - 2012-11-15 10:53

    the cANer couldnt debate their way out of a paper bag, they are not clever enough to be in the same room as some of the opposition.

      art5SA - 2012-11-15 14:04

      Whilst ZUma is "IN CHARGE"..... the MASSES can PLUNDER AND STEAL to their HEARTS CONTENT!

  • moafrika.walenyora - 2012-11-15 10:53

    motion or no motion come 2014 we'll vote them out

      ansie.b.badenhorst - 2012-11-15 10:58

      Definately, whether he stays or goes, they are out in 2014!

      waiszee.sing - 2012-11-15 11:46

      I don't understand how people can still be voting ANC #2014

      willem.vanrensburg.562 - 2012-11-15 11:47

      These ouks are so full of dirty tricks, dont be suprised if he ""wins"" ...

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-11-15 13:43

      Support the anc buy your Etag now.....Not.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-11-15 10:53

    Crooks stick together,like tar and feathers.

  • khaedu - 2012-11-15 10:53

    Even they (cANCer) know zoomer sucks

  • michael.smit.73997 - 2012-11-15 10:54

    they cant run anything

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-15 11:16

      They can. They run away from responsibilty very effieciently

      frederik.vanas - 2012-11-15 12:08

      oh yes they can!! run the biggest crime syndicate in the history of the RSA!!!

      mark.singh.9889 - 2012-11-15 15:29

      Yes they can! The country down the tubes

      cynthia.smith.71619533 - 2012-11-16 11:25

      The cANCer couldn't successfully run a kid's birthday party. They would probably order an Icecream birthday cake on the hottest day of the year and the cake would melt before the poor kids had a chance to eat it. LOL.

  • aviweam - 2012-11-15 10:55

    Who is surprised?? Protecting nonsense!

  • richard.hipkin - 2012-11-15 10:55

    Blocking a motion is unconstitutional.. The ANC may have a majority but not absolute majority, the people want this motion debated, this is not a dictatorship.... oh wait....

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-11-15 10:58

      Are you criticizing our black government? Stop being a racist! :)

      khaedu - 2012-11-15 11:02

      Lol dumbwin nice one

      arthurenlouise.tarr - 2012-11-15 11:05

      You almost had me there Charles! lol

      asdhasgd - 2012-11-15 11:09

      Charles you cant say that thats racist xD you didnt even use BLACK haha

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-15 11:25

      So the opposition parties must take the matter to the Constitutional Court. Section 29 & 102 are there for a reason.

      JManAtheoi - 2012-11-15 11:42

      @ frenchie...Charles was obviously being sarcastic..... (I just defended CD...must be one of those days ;) )

  • firmsly.kabelo - 2012-11-15 10:55

    They dont trust themselves,ANC is divided. If they allowed the secret ballot to take place,we would be talking a different story now.

      morris.khunou - 2012-11-15 11:40

      Divided on the issue of who should lead the ANC post Mangaung! Pretty normal I suppose!

      morris.khunou - 2012-11-15 13:51

      The people who made thubs downs on the above statement just prove to me how robotic peole participating here are! They are programmed! That is a neutral statement that does not need any reaction! What a mistake they are!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-15 15:48

      The whole electoral process is f**ked up! How is it democratic when the president of the country is basically elected by party members? The PEOPLE need to decide who is president, not ANC NEC.

  • Daniel - 2012-11-15 10:55

    It would only be an unnecessary debate if the attachment ANC has already decided that there is no future for roomJZ as the President

  • patson.nedzamba - 2012-11-15 10:57

    They will do anything and everything to avoid rational discourse. This ANarChy administration is a danger to civilized society.

  • Montagnes.Bleues - 2012-11-15 10:57

    Halala!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ZUMA EXPOSED = http://n24.cm/UFofU1 WHERE ARE TEH ZUMA "GO TO JAIL" TAPES?

  • Foremind - 2012-11-15 10:58

    Come 2014 elections, Zuma will be removed. Anc will not win by majority, I edge all anc supporters who wil decide not 2 vote coz they disagree with da anc leadership 2 cast their vote, just vote for any opposition party, we wl b able 2 get rid of Zuma

  • indianajohn - 2012-11-15 10:58

    It's like a teenager spending 2 days perfecting an excuse for the dishes not being done, rather than spending 10 minutes doing the dishes.

  • charles.alfonso.7 - 2012-11-15 10:58

    Bunch of cowards. Job security more important than integrity and well being of the people of the nation. We should cut off the supply chain in the form of an income tax amnesty. No more gravy train.

  • andre.c.79 - 2012-11-15 10:58

    No surprises here.

  • jon.jones.90663894 - 2012-11-15 10:58

    and in one little very successful corner of the world on a continent arguably has buggered as our own ...... http://www.bellanaija.com/2012/09/27/meet-the-poorest-president-in-the-world-uruguayan-president-jose-mujica-drives-a-volkswagen-beetle-donates-90-of-his-salary-to-charity/

      cynthia.smith.71619533 - 2012-11-16 11:34

      i'd like to see this lot just donate 1% of their donations (can't call it salaries because you EARN a salary for the work you do).

  • terrylee.heuer - 2012-11-15 10:59

    I'm holding thumbs that Adv Jeremy Gauntlett is voted to the Constutional Court!!!!

      mzwa.mthombeni - 2012-11-15 12:50

      Good luck with that. Its hard living your life whinging,waiting for a revolution. When will you get it? This Zuma is not going away. Especially when the call is made by those who didn't vote him in.

      suash - 2012-11-15 13:21

      @mzwa - The people voted him into power are ignorant fools who protest daily for poor service delivery and their children will get an education that isn't worth the paper their matric certificates are printed on. Keep voting for him and the ANC and get nothing except when it's time to vote and they fill your heads with promises that they will not deliver.

  • Jaco JP Venter - 2012-11-15 11:01

    One word for the ANC”Broederbond”! It is the same as Apartheid

  • anna.turner.9237 - 2012-11-15 11:01

    Chicken.....!!

  • saschalipka - 2012-11-15 11:03

    Zim style....... On the road to nowhere

  • gideon.walt - 2012-11-15 11:04

    Get Him!!!

  • michael.jackwood - 2012-11-15 11:05

    That was the most stupid motion led and proposed by Lindiwe and Terror Lekota, how could they let their constituency down, i happy i am not part of all these opposition parties, they knew it wont get anywhere as they dont have numbers. Lekota is an angry guy. I was dissapointed to see Lindiwe tabling such motion, especially knowing her credibility and independent opinions on issues. I hope there are lessons to be leant, you dont just wake up feeling happy and proposed motions which are not realistic.

      charles.alfonso.7 - 2012-11-15 11:21

      Michael,Michael, Michael the fact that the motion was blocked and not allowed to be debated in itself tells you a story. Lindiwe was right in tabling the motion. Mr. Zuma and company are concerned that a secret ballot will in fact support the motion. One only has to see the pain anc member Ben Taurok went through for having abstained from voting with his masters. Give us a secret ballot. Mr. Zuma will join the ranks of the unemployed with all of his cronies.

      warren.rodel - 2012-11-15 11:23

      You need to turn the light on upstairs.

      theo.martinez.980 - 2012-11-15 11:47

      Michael, if the opposition only needs to look at numbers they they should not come to the parliament at all. It is part of a democratic debate to have such a motion debated. If the ANC would play democratically they would allow the motion to be debated in the full chamber and have a vote on it. They have the numbers to easily defeat it. So why noT/ Are they afraid of not having quorum/ Are they afraid that even maybe only 1 ANC MP would not vote against the motion? It's the ANC silencing debate just like they wanna use the Secrecy Bill to silence the media, and the Key points Act (from apartheid) to avoid having to reveal Nkandla spending. And soon, under drive from red wine drunk Blade, it will be forbidden to even mention say something about Zuma in parliament and in the media. The difference between the current crop of ANC and the fascists NP is just the colour of the skin.

  • wikus.schalkwyk - 2012-11-15 11:05

    wow...

      maria.mmupudu - 2012-11-15 11:43

      Do u think they realy knows the\meaning of debate is\if zuma win the 2nd term,am affraid the way is going to be rude to us,pls vote him out,

  • nisar.tiseker - 2012-11-15 11:06

    Another publicity stunt by the DA - What were they thinking - The majority will allow such nonsense duh :-&

      marco.bischoff.35 - 2012-11-15 11:15

      Oracle? you are a dumb f%$k

      warren.rodel - 2012-11-15 11:24

      ndaba?

      warren.rodel - 2012-11-15 11:45

      Oracle put the crack pipe down!

  • Tlou.debele - 2012-11-15 11:07

    If it was really unnecessary y they ddnt allow da secret vote 2 take place?? We r nt stupid cum 2014......dey will b no majority as long as Jacob is going 2 marry evry 2 weeks

      AceOfSpades - 2012-11-15 11:52

      Wanna claim your share?

      mondli.dlomo.73 - 2012-11-15 11:55

      mxm, do u really think the ANC will be voted out? forget my friend even if the opposition parties were to join hands and form one party they will never beat the ANC, never. u may keep dreaming on though, they say "ithemba alibulali". the ANC will govern this country forever.

      TeeM - 2012-11-15 12:34

      @Mondli.dlomo73. YOu right, ANC might win the next term ( regardless of whether Zuma is still Pres or not), but i am very sure they will not be relevant a term after that. The truth has a way of coming out, you can only prolong the process but can not stop it. If we still had another year before election year i promise you they would not stand a chance. Thing is, zuma might be replaced, but whoever replaces him will build his own Nkandla, and all there other stupid things ANC member do and people will at some point get tired, including yourself. you just watch the space

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-11-15 13:48

      2014 will bring a few more educated voters....

      Tlou.debele - 2012-11-15 17:41

      @mondli.dlomo73 as a beneficiary of dis corrupt government u'll defend dem bt kuzophela baba,easy cum easy go

  • Thermophage - 2012-11-15 11:07

    What are they scared of?

  • jonas.mokatane - 2012-11-15 11:07

    Bloody chickens,what are they afraid of?.

  • kEnt256 - 2012-11-15 11:07

    Cowards! What are you so afraid of? Probably afraid that they wouldn't be able to string together a single sentence without any excuses. Debate would highlight all their shortcomings and that will just no do. Right ANC?

  • mshiniboys - 2012-11-15 11:07

    The ANC is run by people who use English differently..The masses means friends and family, better life for all means better life for people in power, equal rights means an ability to stand in the queue and vote for them only.Freedom of speech means political attacks., service delivery means only RDP house,comrade means someone who agrees with you even when you are wrong.Now if they get low votes in an area they could kill you.

  • chiepner - 2012-11-15 11:07

    Surpised? I mean the other coruptors need to protect the corrupt that has allowed them to be corrupt in the first place. Have none of you heard about the term "Honour amongst thieves"?

  • sagin.verity - 2012-11-15 11:07

    Deny, deny, deny. Squash any opposition. Lie through Your teeth. south africa is finished. The anc will go down in history as the dictatorship that killed the rainbow nation dream. F u zuma and all your thieving supporters. I hate Your f ing ass.

      peter.kreuger.7 - 2012-11-15 11:17

      Blade will have you jailed for this comment! You used Zuma and thieve in the same sentence!

      warren.rodel - 2012-11-15 15:12

      yar JZ is a F@*king Thief!!!!!

  • BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-11-15 11:08

    Close ranks, defend, deny, cover up, hide away, anything but being open and transparent. What does this tell us? Well it confirms everything we've been saying for years. What a bunch of deceptive criminal gadgets.

  • wikus.schalkwyk - 2012-11-15 11:08

    really looking forward to growing old in this fallen and broken country. so much potential and promise. just love how it has grown the past 18 years, truly become an adult with no perception of reality or accountability.

  • Eterni80 - 2012-11-15 11:08

    that sound you can hear in the distance - is our fragile democracy being killed inch by inch by the ANC IF YOU THINK THE ANC HAS YOUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART YOU ARE SORELY MISTAKEN. Darkness comes..

  • tom.theunissen.12 - 2012-11-15 11:09

    After the next election the idiots will not have a 2 thirds majority anymore. Then they cannot push thru their silly ideas anymore. Dimwits

  • TheMcAttack - 2012-11-15 11:09

    The ANC are as thick as thieves!

  • johnnie.concrete.1 - 2012-11-15 11:12

    de·moc·ra·cy [dih-mok-ruh-see] Show IPA noun, plural de·moc·ra·cies. 1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

  • lekgwakgwa.mohlatlole - 2012-11-15 11:13

    The power is in our hand woza 2014

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-15 15:50

      My man, you are right. The PEOPLE are the power. Knowledge is true power, not having a compound, or 8 wives, or a GulfStream Jet.

  • foxiloxi - 2012-11-15 11:13

    Is there no original or dissenting thought allowed in the ANC? Be warned all, we are soon going to be calling our president: His Excellency President for Life, Field Marshall Al Hadji Dr. Jacob Zuma, VC, DSO, MC, King of South Africa, Lord of all the Beast of the Earth and Fishes of the Sea and hater of dissidents!! IF only we could stand together as residents of South AFrica and not as separate races because this is no longer about Black vs white, this is about the people against a corrupt, inefficient, dictatorship style government!!!

      warren.rodel - 2012-11-15 11:25

      Yar the ANC must get stuffed!

  • kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-15 11:13

    LMFAO Gooi wal.

  • christopher.m.lowe - 2012-11-15 11:14

    It's official. We now live in a totalitarian banana republic. Ring in the new "Democracy"! Bring on the Headless Horses! Malan, Verwoerd, Vorster, Treurnich, PW and the rest of that gang are laughing hysterically. Meanwhile Luthuli, Tambo and Walter Sisulu are spinning in their graves. Biko, Helen Joseph and Neil Aggett too. Is this what it was all about? Is this what so many fought and died for?

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-11-15 14:25

      No, this is not what they wanted, nor the majority of South Africans. Yet the majority of Black South Africans still vote for them. Thus - doom and destruction awaits. If/when there is a change in government, it will be too late and we would have regressed 100 years.

  • peter.kreuger.7 - 2012-11-15 11:15

    Just wait, the wheel always keep on turning, every dog will get its day!

  • warren.rodel - 2012-11-15 11:17

    ANC can't run the country and they know it!

  • eugene.muller.7 - 2012-11-15 11:18

    Because they can't debate...scream and 'dance' is all they know.

  • richard.zanner - 2012-11-15 11:19

    It is cleat that Zuma is now blocking any form of debate and even negative remarks and will pass laws to enforce this if need be. I love this democracy. All people re equal but some are just more equal than other and the more equal ones tell the less equal ones what they may say or not.

      peter.kreuger.7 - 2012-11-15 11:23

      wait until Blade "lets outlaw insults about Zuma" gets push to the side, then we will see who insults who, just the nature of the beast. Better entertainment is hard to find!

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-11-15 13:54

      pass laws alright .Soon we will have The PASS Laws back too.

  • toofaan.monsoon - 2012-11-15 11:19

    Guys. Push for the debate after he gets the second term. Think about it. 2014 is the real goal. If Zuma is elected now, it will diminish ANC support more in 2014. Right now, as crazy as it may sound, it is actually better for the country to have him up there to further convince the people on the fence about how ineffective the current regime is. Not a popular opinion, I'm sure, but if new leadership is brought in now, ANC will win by a landslide. Not because they're any good, but they will convince voters that they've changed !!

      warren.rodel - 2012-11-15 11:27

      He shouldn't be elected, out vote HIM!

      Gareth L Pieterse - 2012-11-15 11:38

      You have a point there. Amazing how quiet Juju has been isn't it? They have so many issues, the only response is to NOT respond. The people will see their true colours more and more the longer this goes on.

  • sandy.sutherland.58 - 2012-11-15 11:19

    So there you go - Democracy, she was an old woman we used to know, she does not live here any more - Mrs DeekTatorr she lives here now! ANC = Traitors of South Africa!

  • hitting.thefan - 2012-11-15 11:20

    If the president do not know what the democracy means and is mos natural that we are stuffed!!

  • siphobongohead - 2012-11-15 11:21

    The lie deny steal cheat party, the ANC, is terrified of a secret ballot because they know what the result will be. Zuma must go.