ANC concerned over Numsa comments

2012-02-25 22:47

Johannesburg - The ruling party is concerned with the call by the National Union of Metalworkers of SA (Numsa) on Saturday for a change of leadership within the African National Congress.

"The position adopted by Numsa is tantamount to interference with the internal democratic processes of the ANC," spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said in a statement.

"The resolution by Numsa is not in line with respect of independence enjoyed by individual member organisations of the tripartite alliance."

He said the ANC respected the independence of its alliance partners and would not interfere in "the internal democratic processes that elect their leadership".

"The determination of the leadership of the ANC is the sole responsibility of the ANC branches and the leagues of the ANC that will be nominating for the national elective conference in December 2012," Mthembu said.

Numsa deputy secretary general Karl Cloete told reporters on Saturday that the current national executive committee (NEC) of the ANC should be replaced post-2012.

"They have not been able to drive the implementation of the Polokwane resolutions and therefore we are very clear that we will, in our branches of the ANC, make sure that this current ANC NEC does not return," Cloete said, according to SABC radio news.

"We are not making any apologies. We are very clear that the ANC NEC must change because the ANC NEC is the collective body that is entrusted with the policies of the African National Congress."

  • Bob - 2012-02-25 23:23

    Maybe NUMSA has seen the light and you ANC are blinded by your arrogance...!

      Sean - 2012-02-26 02:12

      See the light , see no light !! Same sh@t !! Just don`t forget , they are dealing with highly ``uneducated`` ( the way the ANC likes it) people !!

      Mehluli - 2012-02-26 08:10

      Great Bob they have seen the light however are you aware that the light they have seen is the nationalization of mines,expropriation of your farm without compensation and economic freedom in our life time.Good luck Bob because your farm is gone.

      Thouca - 2012-02-26 12:36

      perhaps the unions should stick to what they do best...voice of the minority employed and keep destroying jobs?

      Nic - 2012-02-26 13:00

      A change of leadership, to bring back malema?

  • Mantsho - 2012-02-25 23:36

    And here the matter continues

  • Vusi - 2012-02-25 23:40

    The ANC doesn't like the country turning against them one by one..... Is the party over ANC? I think so. Troubled times ahead! Your speeches at the Centennial Celebrations left us all uninspired. We are not interested to be fooled about with while you keep reminding us of your struggle credentials while the whole country is being robbed by unscrupulous party members with no vision for our future. Unfortunately, you don't currently have Leadership to fix our problems. If you can't even come to a conclusion on your disciplinary hearings on Malema, how, please tell us how are qualified to govern us as a country? Are you fading from our future horizons ANC? I think you have....................

      Vusi - 2012-02-26 00:01

      It is heartbreaking to think how many people lost their lives, both black and white, for our freedom. Within 18 years the ANC has turned all that pain our people have suffered into a raiding spree of the country's assets. As a liberation movement they were only a bunch of thugs in the end. Pravin Gordham stood there this week and smugly paraded his mismanagement and lack of control over our revenue. I cry for my Country in the hands of the weakest leadership the ANC has had in 100 years!

      Vusi - 2012-02-26 00:11

      I think it is too late Leonard. They have overplayed their hand with us.

      AyGeewils - 2012-02-26 08:11

      AS always Vusi - spot on comment. But I ask if the ANC have the democratic maturity to relinquish power without dragging this land into chaos? There are no competent replacements for leadership in the ANC - they all have their noses in the same trough. So Change of goverment is essential to stop this corruption and theft - but can it be achieved without mayhem?

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-02-26 08:58

      Vusi: I have not much to comment. You reflected my assessment of the ANC exactly. The question is how do we get rid of this obstacle to real freedom and democracy? Talking to each other on forums such as these, is superfluous. We must find some other way of getting to communicate much wider.

      Vusi - 2012-02-26 09:29

      @Maserati. This was our starting point. News24 can be seen as the place where we debate the immediate issues. I believe from here we move on and form the first Internet based party. A page should be created on Facebook because that allows us to jointly form our own constitution and lobby support. There are many obstacles ahead when one forms a new political party, but the sooner we do this now, the better. Bongani forwarded me some brilliant ideas you had on structure and I think we should revisit those ideas of yours and get going.

      Juicecard - 2012-02-26 10:04

      @ Vusi, u`re so disillusioned boy with your Internet party. I knew one day your true colours will show out. U`RE A TROLL

      Kusleg - 2012-02-26 11:37

      You are a troglodyte

  • Myvision - 2012-02-26 00:06

    You have to be an AN member to understand this.

      Vusi - 2012-02-26 00:11

      Understand what? Please help me!!!! I need to understand this weak leadership. I need to understand how party members are allowed to steal us blind and I must be happy? HOW?????????????? Enlighten me, because our future in the hands of the current leadership is DARK!!!!

      jack.oosthuysen - 2012-02-26 00:49

      One has to be very stupid not to understand this. YOURANCOURFUTURE

      Sean - 2012-02-26 02:14

      AN member ?? lol !! You just proved a point !! lol lol lol

      Johann - 2012-02-26 08:27

      @ Vusi. You say our future is DARK with the current leadership? Show me any leadership the ANC had after Madiba that was not DARK!!!!! Then just for fun, mention the possible leaders in the near future that will bring out the LIGHT!!!!!!!

  • Mncedisi Budaza - 2012-02-26 01:51

    Its true the current ANC leadership have no direction and the are real issues that they need to address. The power struggling, misusing the tax money, nepotism, corruption and these new laws that they are implementing, secrency bill and the misuse if intelligency to keep their position. Eish ANC.

      Sally Lewitt - 2012-02-26 03:46

      BRAVO & AMEN Mncedisi.. Any chance we can vote for you?

      Glyn - 2012-02-26 07:56

      Yes, the anc have no direction, just going down a tube and bouncing off the walls all the way down! To get the country going I will be voting DA. I need help with this one! Look at the Western Cape, do the right thing! If 15% more voters exercise their power thru' the vote the anc plundering will be history!

      Kusleg - 2012-02-26 11:43

      Even if you were to be voted in as Pres, you would most likely behave the same. The previous government behaved in the same way too.

  • Samora Machel Thamsanqa - 2012-02-26 04:28

    Dear ANC, If you want my vote, recall Zuma, Land reform(The Mugabe way), make racism illegal and arrest all awb retards.

      jannie.beirowski - 2012-02-26 06:12

      Is this your second name that you are using? Is your real name Malema? You sound exactly like him in his drive to destroy our country and it's people.

      petrakzn - 2012-02-26 06:46

      Samora, if racism is to be made illegal and all awb retards to be arrested, I think your comment here, puts you on a double line to be arrested. Think, "tsebanga" or go back to your roots and try the concept, LIVE AND LET LIVE. Land reform can only work if it is given to people who WANT to WORK and not get what they have not earned. As a country we have come FAR but the people still in the struggle is the poor and uneducated only. Give it up already and do something for yourself.

      Wendy - 2012-02-26 07:52

      yep, you are one very intelligent dude .. look what a wonderful job Mugabe has made .. his country is flourishing and the world are q'ing to do business with him .. just like they will here soon. Yes!! you have the answer!

      Tony - 2012-02-26 14:22

      Oh oh .... Only whites can be racist... And then there is YOU! R sol

      mkerruish - 2012-02-26 16:08

      SM (sado-masochist?) Thamsanqa, you sound disconcertingly like the Nats in 1948 when you make statements like this. Recall Zuma? Sure, but why? If it's on the basis of his suspect dealings prior to becoming president, I have no problem with that. Racism is already illegal. Or didn't you know that? Perhaps not, seeing as you don't want to have anything to do with people who aren't just like you. Your statement of "arrest all AWB retards" is also unconstitutional. I may think that AWB sorts are stupid and I may say so freely, but unless they break the law they have the same freedom of expression as everyone else. Everybody has rights. That what the strugggle was for.

  • Sipho - 2012-02-26 07:05

    Agreed, they must all go. However, there must be a broad consultation with the masses to constitute a new NEC. We do not want the NEC to be replaced with immature hobbledehoys, like the current leadership of the ANC Youth League.

      Wendy - 2012-02-26 07:54

      The problem with that Sipho is that the masses voted in the ANC they are the uneducated ones who believe the lies as they have nothing else to hold onto.

      Tony - 2012-02-26 14:25

      Sopho ... The ANC are the symptom, you ... the ANC suppotrer are the problem. Even NUMSA can see that now.

  • Bomb - 2012-02-26 07:12

    The ANC should rather be concerned over the state of the country. Anyone is allowed to have an opinion about anyone else, so go throw your toys out the cot in another place. Bunch of babies!!

  • Nathi Ntshobodwana - 2012-02-26 07:29

    Jackson must be fired.....Numsa is an affiliate of COSATU and very influencial in membership within the ANC is so stupid of Jackson to ignore that......

      Bomb - 2012-02-26 08:20

      Zuma, Mantashe, Mthembu, Lindiwe, Mathale, Magashule, and the complete ancyl structure, just to name a few, are the slow poison that is destroying this country.

  • Phumlani - 2012-02-26 07:45

    Some of us Numsa members are still soul searching as a result of Numsas business initiatives eg funeral covers, medical aid schemes and more...Surely all this done without us taking part and here they are having not consulted with us [constituencies]they declare on our behalf the willingness to change the ANC structures...WHO ARE WE? getting confused now.

  • Wendy - 2012-02-26 07:45

    What democratic rights? The only rights practiced in this country are those of the black elite! and calling them rights is stretching it.

  • Glyn - 2012-02-26 07:46

    The anc gave the unions too much power, now they are using it.

      Simnikiwe - 2012-02-26 08:48

      Unions played a massive role in fighting Apartheid. It's only fair they are given such power.

      mkerruish - 2012-02-26 16:42

      I don't believe the ANC could survive without the unions. I, for one, am glad that we have other voices rather than a single-party choir, even if I don't agree with what is being said. @Simnikiwe: fair comment but beware granting hereditary power. The unions then and the unions now are not the same.

  • Mboneni - 2012-02-26 08:33

    The SACP through Gwede Mantatshe and Blade Nzimande is causing confusion in the ANC.How can Mantatshe who is the chairman of the SACP insist to discipline members of the ANC,he should concentrate on the SACP which exist only in name

      mkerruish - 2012-02-26 16:47

      So, Mboneni, we agree that the SACP should contest elections as a party outside the tripartite alliance? Cooperation on issues where programmes match still being possible, of course.

  • Avhasei - 2012-02-26 12:24

    i'm educated and have a good job but when its time for election i vote the liberation movement ANC, i will never vote DA, NEVER AND NEVER AGAIN.

      Tony - 2012-02-26 14:27

      And what a waste of money paid for that education... Liberation has come and gone fool! You are the baas so vote for whoever gives you the jollies baas.

      mkerruish - 2012-02-26 16:51

      Just goes to show that education and parochial thought are not mutually exclusive. I don't support the DA but I challenge you to explain why you will never vote for the DA "NEVER AND NEVER AGAIN". My, how strident.

  • Honest - 2012-02-26 15:21

    There is nothing new with leadership change but I would like to see a leadership that will deal decisively with the thuggery in the movement not people that will make things worse for the movement and the country . In so far as those that drive or want to drive that change , they better be not be the same thugs we want out of the movement !

  • Carl - 2012-02-26 16:29

    our proletariate allies should leave anc processes to the anc and its branches,they should be doing a comprehensive introspection as to what they stand for in society,the anc is not a dumping gound where failed unionists retire.numsa will never be a voting delegate of the ngc..

      Luckyboy - 2012-05-15 08:36

      freedom of speech must be allowed to all who live's in south africa black and white.After all workers form part for branches also voters.they are works at work and ordinary citizens at home also alliance partner of the ruling partner and that is their opinion.carl yo speech is amounted to provoking workers, insult to the institutions of democracy

  • Eduard - 2012-02-26 16:56

    kudu's for NUMSA!!!

  • Neville - 2012-02-26 18:04

    And so the wheels are turning finance minister pls watch the coffers

  • Neville - 2012-02-26 18:12

    After Madiba I think Mbeki is the man with the most brains, But Malema& co voted him out to get the MONEYYYYYYYYYYYY , But u cannot steal all the time

  • sandy.langenstrass - 2012-02-26 21:41

    To all of you who post a bit of your mind on news24, it's time to take a break from all the problms in our country, and for once sit and watch Trevor Noah...lets for a moment laugh at ourselves, and enjoy the way Trevor cleverly portrays the different cultural groups in might even find you are more tolerant to your fellow SAfican.after...take a break and have a good laugh...he has got you...and me down to perfection.

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