ANC condemns ANCYL violence

2011-08-30 11:18

Johannesburg - The violence that erupted in the Johannesburg CBD ahead of ANC Youth League president Julius Malema's disciplinary hearing on Tuesday was "totally unacceptable" and tarnished the name of the ANC, the party's spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said.

"We totally condemn such violence. It is totally unacceptable," Mthembu said, as groups of people gathered to support the league's leadership were filmed throwing stones and bottles at reporters and photographers in the city centre.

A Sapa photographer, Werner Beukes, and two eNews journalists Belinda Moses and Cathy Mohlahlana were pelted with stones.

'Not disciplined'

"It flies in the face of what the leadership has called for - disciplined behaviour," said Mthembu as groups tried to push towards ANC headquarters Luthuli House.

"It is not disciplined, and criminal," he said.

"We have seen journalists being pelted. We have also seen even our police being pelted with stones, and all types of things."

"We are therefore saying this is unacceptable and we put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the ANCYL."

"We are very concerned."

The ANC appreciated the role the police were playing and called on them not to become violent in the face of provocation. "They must ensure the safety and security of everyone within the city."

Gauteng police spokesperson Colonel Lungelo Dlamini said that even though the groups were throwing objects and burning posters, they felt they had the situation contained.

"We have got enough members on the ground to contain the situation," he said.

'Totally un-ANC'

Earlier police used water canon trucks to control the crowd and three helicopters were seen hovering over the region of Beyers Naude Square and Luthuli House which is situated on the corner of Sauer street.

By mid-morning he said no arrests had been made, and no injuries reported.

Asked whether the ANC leadership planned to go outside and address the crowds, he said: "We believe those that are responsible for bringing the people here should be responsible for that. The ball is in the court of the ANCYL leadership."

"The insults that are being thrown, the burning of posters, faces of our leadership that are on some posters, generally the unruly behaviour, cars being damaged ... that is totally un-ANC, you will not expect members of the ANC to do that. We cannot be quiet. They are tarnishing the image of the ANC."

  • Spyker May - 2011-08-30 11:21

    The monster turning on the master...

      Nimitzz - 2011-08-30 11:32

      Try to snatch power from my hand, young grasshopper.

      RonJeremy - 2011-08-30 11:33

      Why only now is the ANC saying that their party's name is being tarnished? The ANCYL have been damaging the ANC brand for a loooong time. DOWN WITH THE AFRICAN NATIONALIST RACISM OF THE ANYL !!!

      Green Oaks - 2011-08-30 11:34

      Well ANC. Now is the time to show some balls, and do something about it. Don't be intimidated by a bunch of no brain, useless idiots.

      Nimitzz - 2011-08-30 11:37

      Exactly. They are sympathising with the fact that this so called "act of aggression" has tarnished the name of the ANC and what they stand for. Okay, then why did you allow it to resonate to this point? Does the ANC honestly want us to believe that they are putting their out-most effort into resolving this problem between them and the ANCYL?

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-08-30 11:40

      The ancyl are a disgrace. Look at the animals. Kick the leadership out of the ANC and disband the whole youth league. Return to the politics of Mandela.

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-08-30 11:42

      Whatever has happened in the past, the ANC have an opportunity now to do something. Act with courage and expel these monsters. You will gain respect and the moral high-ground if you do!

      James - 2011-08-30 11:42

      Yeah well said ..... and my question is: "What are you going to do about it Mr President? by the way, where are you? hiding?" come out and face your creation ...... maybe it's his plan after all ...... Be a MAN JZ ..... for once in your life ........

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-08-30 11:55

      Dear, Jackson "drunken master" Mthembu, These useless, parasitic gluttons are your anc children. You let them run wild without educating them, & now you all you can do is talk. They are useless ignorant forkers who burn instead of learn..I expect more yada yada from ANC "leaders" as usual.

      christo.kotze - 2011-08-30 11:56

      and his minions on him. I thought he was guaranteeing that there will be no protest and and and... He cant even lead his own followers...

      willieman - 2011-08-30 11:59

      ANC pull the other one you encouraged it now it is biting you.Try hard to spin the whole thing you failed as parents,the elderly in the anc ,leaders in the anc.Eat what you have cooked

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-30 12:01

      @legens really? nazi terminology?

      Together - 2011-08-30 12:07

      We'll believe him if he goes outside and stands between the youth league supporters and the cops - like real leaders should...

      Sharkie - 2011-08-30 12:10

      "King" Tsehpo.... And ince the mines are natioanlised? You expect a payout? Dream will be kept poor and ignorant. And once the land is expropriated? assuming there is enough land for the millions of black South Africans.... what you'll each have your 10 cows and 20 mielie stalks? good luck with that then, tell me, and my kids what a great success it is when the whole country is starving won't you.....?

      Jvandm - 2011-08-30 12:10

      ANC, you made your bed, now sleep in it. This is not "un-ANC" behaviour. This is EXACTLY what the ANC does when it doesn't get its way. Not so nice when you're on the receiving end, is it? You should have nipped this in the bud long ago before it was such a big problem. Oh, and speaking of nipping things in the bud. When (not if) nationalization and land-grabs fail and people start dying of hunger, the crowd storming Luthuli House will be much bigger and angrier, with much less to lose. Think about it.

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-30 12:11

      @KingTshepo... exactly witch shenanigans,i ask because you supported him on every single one of them and now that he's going down you turn on him,you dont give a crap about your hero's,all you care about is the racist spew in the YL.All you want is revenge against whites and dont care who shouts it out,if they gon down you just throw them away like the trash they are.

      saliem - 2011-08-30 12:19

      Clearly @Spyker. Quite ironic, however, that the ANC is calling it a disgrace, when it was not so long ago that the self-same leadership were doing exactly the same things... in fact some ex MK members (now in senior positions in the SANDF) received medals for the same behaviour. I have a question... can a movement born out of a revolution, re-invent itself or will the focus constantly be on revolution? If it cannot re-invent itself, we will constantly see disputes "resolving" themselves via displays such as the one going down in Jo'burg. It's really quite sad for moderates in the movement.

      KingTshepo - 2011-08-30 12:21

      well the.srg it became pretty clear the Malema is corrupt and a crook and i cannot allow a man like this to be a role model for my children... As my children follow who i follow it is important i lead by example so that my children follow me... i cannot have my little 6 year old daughter supporting a guy like Malema it is just wrong... that is my honest answer so i have to find a new role model for my 6 year old within the ANC now.... lets see who is up to that task shall we!

      Smakaroo - 2011-08-30 12:24

      So, so true!

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-30 12:39

      About nationalisation, to explain it simply, based on 100 years of experience from other countries: 1) Imagine: now there are a few thousand people earning crazy wages, a few million on decent/average wages and a whole lot without money or on low wages. Nationalisation (in line with communism) = a few thousand people (party members + collaborators) earning millions and everyone else on low, low wages. We will all be poor! 2) Imagine: now it's getting hard to buy your own place, have your own farm, work for yourself. With nationalisation and expropriation, you cannot have your own place and therefore have no free place to practice any form of freedom (see Cuba). Workers all getting paid the same wages will demotivate them and less food is produced, causing mass starvation (see USSR). With no freedom of work/residence/food, the State can do anything it wants and kill people for any reason (see China pre-1970s). The State, having control of everything, can even tell you what to say, think and believe and if you differ, you die (see any former Eastern Bloc country pre-1990s, USSR pre-1945, China pre-1970s). 3) Look at current SA parastatals such as Eskom. If the ANC can't even run this properly, what do you think they'll do to the mines and farms??!! So those in favour of nationalisation - learn from the mistakes of others and DO NOT NATIONALISE ANYTHING!!!

      KingTshepo - 2011-08-30 12:53

      matt there is no point trying to change the views of those in favour of nationilsation..... the minds have been made up, simply put your seat belt on and get ready for the nationlisation ride and see where it takes you because honestly we just dont know what will happen but were excited to find out... you guys can stop trying to change our minds now on the subject because no one is taking your serias....

      C_S - 2011-08-30 13:04

      The ANC cannot really comdemn this behaviour, they taught them how to behave....

      Together - 2011-08-30 13:08

      Tshepo - it's much more about where it's going to take YOU - I'm not employed by a mine, or a farm. I understand your excitement because I know that all of SA's youth dream of being farmers and miners. But also remember these days very clearly - they will become the good old days if someone doesn't start thinking clearly about the future.

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-30 13:29

      @KingTshepo aka..Tshepo the man aka Tshepo16v....will the new hero of your child be a racist like malema,you never seem to mind throwing racist comments around this site and maybe thats why you have so many alias's since they keep kicking you off the site

      Met - 2011-08-30 14:53

      Why shocked? Violence and destruction is easy, absolutely no skill required. Just like the gravy train. You just hold on and smile.

      Met - 2011-08-30 14:59

      I hope that the decent albeit naive SA has woken up to the fact that the problem goes much further than Malema. Fact is, there are millions of Malemas in SA. which begs the question: Is there a human solution to the problems faced by SA???

      Zion - 2011-08-30 16:36

      The ANCYL is only the spawn of the ANC. And the sins of the fathers etc..... Would it be insensitive to claim pride that our, non-ANC/ANCYL, children do not act in this 3rd world manner. Cannot help making the comparison.

  • Lestor - 2011-08-30 11:23

    The ANC tarnishes its own name all by itself... not that I disagree that the youth league isn't helping.

  • iDubula - 2011-08-30 11:23

    "The insults that are being thrown, the burning of posters, faces of our leadership that are on some posters, generally the unruly behaviour, cars being damaged ... that is totally un-ANC, you will not expect members of the ANC to do that"... Ummm - isnt this type of behaviour exactly what the ANC and it's affiliates known for????

      Grant - 2011-08-30 11:32

      We have certainly seen more than enough evidence to support your post just over the last few weeks of strikes/rioting!

      King Msendi - 2011-08-30 11:36

      All those things you've mentioned above are fast becoming the culture of the ANC. Remember how ANC dealt with Mbeki's situation. Malema is just an idiot used by some within the party to disrespect Zuma. He was also used to disrespect Thabo Mbekiā€¦

  • Dayat Atime - 2011-08-30 11:23

    A black day indeed for South African politics

      Smaal - 2011-08-30 11:26

      Bbbbwwwaaaaa hahahahaha! Brilliant!

      MissGremlinSays - 2011-08-30 11:32

      *quiet giggle*. Very very quick thinking.

      Vullis - 2011-08-30 11:39

      Yip and there it is. Some people will never change! Hence, Nationalisation must happen and swiftly!! That house in Constantia is waiting for me!!

      James - 2011-08-30 11:43

      HA HA HA HA ..... that it is ........

      zena - 2011-08-30 14:45

      Vullis....even better that house in Sandton is worth more, take it from Malema i dare u.

  • Paul - 2011-08-30 11:25

    Like father like son

  • Smaal - 2011-08-30 11:25

    I don't see why they are complaining. This is how they are and this is what they do so what's the problem?

  • Sammy - 2011-08-30 11:26

    "you will not expect members of the ANC to do that" hmmm WAIT? WHAT?!

      Blougroen - 2011-08-30 16:01

      Yeah - and who in teh ANC was so stupid to hold this hearing in the middle of Johannesburg ?????????????????????????????????????????

  • zena - 2011-08-30 11:26

    The ANC allowed this to happen as well, if they had taken steps long ago when he started with the hate speech towards fellow South Africans. They should have outright condemned that because that is not what is in their Freedom Charter. They left him to do as he pleases and now look what is happening. Who is running this country???

  • fantasticjac - 2011-08-30 11:28

    Dear ANC, thank you for reacting. But in order to create a true reaction, one must not merely speak, but prove your leadership. Blame the ANCYL, yes, but take a little responsibility too. For, if I remember correctly, Malema has been allowed to get away with his irresponsible behavior for some time now, and, as a result, you have created a strange monster.

  • Ulindi - 2011-08-30 11:28

    Hope these are not more empty words and that appropriate action will be taken so send out a very clear message... "...we put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the ANCYL" - Amen, someone with some authority is finally seeing the light!

  • Gordon20 - 2011-08-30 11:29

    Where are all the ANC suppoters?? Why dont they go down to Luthuli House and defend the ANC against the ANCYL??

      Jvandm - 2011-08-30 12:20

      Oooooh, that will be even more fun to watch! The ANC is publicly imploding before our very eyes, although, I do suspect that not much will come of this. The ANC will probably only have some moderately strong words directed at Juju, and then the grip the yoof-leak has on the balls of the ANC will only get stronger.

  • LLEWELLYN - 2011-08-30 11:30

    ANCYL = totally acceptable to tarnish the name of the ANC.

  • MissGremlinSays - 2011-08-30 11:31

    Too late. Your silence on previous matters has been taken as condonation of such behaviour. You made your bed, now sort it out.

  • Kleinjan - 2011-08-30 11:32

    It's apartheids fault.

      Vullis - 2011-08-30 11:40


      James - 2011-08-30 11:45

      HA HA HA HA ....... it will probably be ......... HE HE HE

      gaeleen - 2011-08-30 12:06

      so tired of that excuse

  • darquan - 2011-08-30 11:33

    He must be a Bloody Agent for saying these things, serving his Collonial Masters! It was a Third Force causing the violence! Well, isn't that what they always say? Now the shoe is on the other foot! Discipline these unruly youth - they are giving ALL South Africans a bad name!

  • Sharkbite - 2011-08-30 11:33

    And the baby eats his mother. I am praying a million prayers a minute that this kills the ANC and its pup.

      PinkAndProud - 2011-08-30 11:36

      I'm an aethiest but if praying will do, then I'll sure join in.

      Vullis - 2011-08-30 11:41

      i didn't know fake Aetheist existed.

      john - 2011-08-30 12:13

      There are no atheists in a pothole on Fox Street.

  • Zolani - 2011-08-30 11:37

    I'm having a good laugh, the new anc has no control over the voters, they cant even control there own pockets.

  • POLS_G - 2011-08-30 11:38

    "By mid-morning he said no arrests had been made, and no injuries reported." This is not a protected strike, in fact it is outright vandalism and public disobedience. Why are people not being arrested? Police need to restore law and order, if necessary (in the Bheki Cele's ethos) by shooting to kill. See how quick they will scatter then.

      James - 2011-08-30 11:47

      That would make good TV ............

  • Yoda - 2011-08-30 11:38

    Yup, now that the shoe is on the other foot and the one receiving the kicks is not the apartheid regime, this type of behaviour is un-ANC. Not long ago exactly this behaviour, and much worse, was totally ANC. Zuma likes Macbeth, so here's one from that famous play: "Bloody instructions which, being taught, return to plague their inventor!"

      Smakaroo - 2011-08-30 12:33

      They'll find a way of blaming it on the "rest" of us. You know, those South Africans who actually WORK, (don't have time to support hooligans) and hence pay the taxes (to death) that are keeping this country afloat, and keeping them in government grants so they can feed their faces.

  • BoneCollectR - 2011-08-30 11:39

    Jackson reminds me of Michael Jackson's "Thriller". Deal with your monster, Mr Mthembu. You created it!

  • POLS_G - 2011-08-30 11:41

    "The insults that are being thrown, the burning of posters, faces of our leadership that are on some posters, generally the unruly behaviour, cars being damaged ... that is totally un-ANC, you will not expect members of the ANC to do that" It seemed to fine, and apparetnly inaccordance with ANC values when the same tactics were used to intimate Jacob Zuma'a rape accuser, as well prosecutirs in his corruption cases. Not to mention when Mbeki was removed. Now suddenly it is "un-ANC". In short, ANC have set the precedent that you behave however badly you wish, when you do not get your own way. Now they are suprised when their puppies do the same. LOL

      Kent007 - 2011-08-30 13:16

      That is why malema thought he could gate crash the anc bigwig meeting 2 weeks ago and JZ aked him whether he thought he was running SA.

  • tut - 2011-08-30 11:42

    But you allowed this barbaric obese thug to rise to power and now you are suffering becasue of the consequences! Shame ANC! I guess your lack of leadership has now bitten you in the bum!

  • Blap - 2011-08-30 11:42

    "It is not disciplined, and criminal," so arrest them or do something.

  • Evan - 2011-08-30 11:44

    Don't condemn the behavior of the ANCYL, arrest and charge those who are breaking the law. The demonstrators are throwing bricks at our police and nothing is done. This says a great deal about our government, why even have laws when they are continually broken without any consequences. Worse, is the fact that this is what the world sees of the SA governing party. If you cannot control your most staunch supporters how on earth will you be able to govern the masses, many of whom are NOT your supporters?

  • Fredster69 - 2011-08-30 11:45

    'Totally un-ANC' - excuse me, you are no different

  • GypseyAnn - 2011-08-30 11:48

    People have been warning for years that the "beast" should be tamed. Unfortunately you are now reaping the rewards of ill discipline methods that you have made use of in the past. Sins of the fathers, etc, etc!

  • daaivark - 2011-08-30 11:50

    I would really be interested in estimated numbers. Although this lot are making a mess and performing to beat the band, I have a strong feeling that the numbers reflect that Malema doesn't command nearly the sort of following that he expected. But thus far the only mention of numbers was at the beginning, when only 70 or so had turned up. Actual numbers would be newsworthy. The rest is stuff we expected.

  • ANGRYMAN - 2011-08-30 11:50

    The ANC created a culture of violent protest & this is the result. This type of " dissatisfied " behaviour has been inbred, generation to generation. Talk about biting the hand that feeds....OUCH !

  • HeregoesthePlanet - 2011-08-30 11:51

    Seems like the ancyl supporters are also getting away with alot theyve injured 2 policemen , damaged propety and attacket journalists, but no arrests have been made, so i guess this behaviour is acceotable them!!!!! If we had to do the same theyd probably use live ammo and arrest every one

  • Thelma - 2011-08-30 11:53

    What you sew you shall reap!!!!!

  • lenand40 - 2011-08-30 11:55

    I wish I could say I feel sorry for Zuma and the ANC, but they engineered Polokwane and created monsters. Deal with your own monsters.

  • Slapper - 2011-08-30 11:57

    The ANC made them. It was just another thing that the ANC stuffed up, in a very long line of stuff-ups.

  • Born To Fish - 2011-08-30 11:59

    What was that about the wheel turning? Did the ANC not teach them to do this in the 80's?

  • johvoda - 2011-08-30 12:00

    Well ANC and ANCYL, you have now brought this into the public domain. So let the public in on how you put the blame fairly into the ANCYL lap, and show the public how you reprimand them and call them to order. Show the public that you condone violence, and condone the spread of racial hate!!

  • gaeleen - 2011-08-30 12:04

    how about an age limit at these things - school kids should be in school not at a protest - Bring back the Truant Officer

  • Mike or Mpho - 2011-08-30 12:08

    ANC condemns violence? Since when?

  • cpdennis1 - 2011-08-30 12:09

    Typical. Get rid of Malema once and for all, he is rubbish!

  • LiraShea - 2011-08-30 12:10

    Wat julle saai, sal julle maai.

  • Tronn - 2011-08-30 12:11

    Anybody supporting Malema and his tactics cannot be educated.

  • AndV - 2011-08-30 12:12

    These hooligans were created by the ANC always turning a blind eye to the ANCYL disgraceful behaviour. Now they can't manage these rats.

  • bluefox5401 - 2011-08-30 12:12

    Trashing the place is becoming the norm, what will be the next step for these ppl. It will take a small group to bring guns and then it will spark a whole new problem.It very possible for it to happen because im sure there are ppl like that out there. ANC is starting to loose control and it will affect every single one of us negativly. We need solid leadership to be a united country.

  • Tronn - 2011-08-30 12:15

    do not have to fear Malema. Malema is simply Kgalema Motlanthe's mouthpiece and cannon fodder.

  • Daryl - 2011-08-30 12:16

    "They are tarnishing the image of the ANC" pffffft!! They are merely living up to their reputation.

  • Aijaman - 2011-08-30 12:16

    What is wrong when the ANCYL members march to Luthuli house?What is done by ANC is undemocratic. They should allow comdrades to march and voice their concerns. When Pres Zuma had a rape case in KZN. ANC members use to gather outside court, police never block those comdrades to support the president.When ANC was fighting apartheid.Comdrades would march to Union buildings to voice out black people voice.What's wrong when it's done by ANCYL members?These riots are the results of the undemocratic move made by ANC. Allow ANCYL members to march to luthuli house and show the support to it's leadership. ANC leadership should be blamed for this and they must be accountable for any death or damages arrises as a result of these riots...

  • Tlou - 2011-08-30 12:17

    Only those who cannot think for themselves support Juju and his group.Don't forget that Malema's company funds the Youth Leaque and some individuals within the leaque.All those who gathered at Luthuli House are those who are benifiting from Malema. Most of them are tenderpreneurs. PLS ANC fire them, let them start a new party.

      Aijaman - 2011-08-30 12:32

      Talking about ignorant comments.

  • The Mighty Stassen - 2011-08-30 12:19

    "...the burning of posters, faces of our leadership that are on some posters, generally the unruly behaviour, cars being damaged ... that is totally un-ANC" Really? Now, is it? Interesting how you say that, but I remember quite a lot of all of the above happening during the 70s and 80s. Ouch!

  • Tesco1 - 2011-08-30 12:19

    A day before yesterday Malema was prepared to kill for Zuma; Zuma was happy and ANC was silent. Yesterday Malema was happily singing kill the boer; some members of the ANC gave support and blessings. Why are they shouting ''disgrace'' now. What goes arroung cmes arround.

  • jabbering j - 2011-08-30 12:20

    "...the unruly behaviour, cars being damaged ... that is totally un-ANC, you will not expect members of the ANC to do that. We cannot be quiet. They are tarnishing the image of the ANC." Two words, you stupid, STUPID man... Soweto Riots. Oh, how conveniently the wheel of Revolution turns!

  • Big mack - 2011-08-30 12:21

    Stomach in, chest out..!!! Come now Mr Police commissioner, get with the programme!! Or are you just another big talk and no action puppet???

  • Jonathan - 2011-08-30 12:22

    Um, I think what you meant to say Jackson Mthembu, is that this is normal ANC behaviour...The ANC and its members are the scourge of this country.