ANC delays Malema talks

2011-08-08 16:42

Johannesburg - The ANC put off discussions planned for Monday to bring ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema to heel, after he angered the party by calling for nationalisation of mines and meddling in foreign affairs.

Analysts said the African National Congress may try to temporarily silence the outspoken Malema but it will be difficult to keep down a man expected to be a power broker when the ANC elects its top officials at a party gathering next year.

The ANC and the youth league met briefly on Monday and decided to postpone further discussions because of the complexity of the issues, an ANC official said.

Party sources had said at the weekend the talks would focus on friction between the two sides.

Malema's call to nationalise mines and seize white-owned land has unnerved investors but struck a chord with poor blacks who make up the majority of the population and who envision him as a future leader of the country.


"There are people within the ANC frustrated with what the youth league is doing, but they see a benefit to the youth league's support and will keep quiet even if it is possibly damaging for the county or the party," said Lucy Holborn, research manager at the South African Institute of Race Relations.

The ANC, which prides itself on keeping its squabbles internal, blasted the youth league for its call to overthrow the democratically elected government in Botswana.

"The African National Congress would like to totally reject and publicly rebuke the ANC Youth League on its extremely thoughtless and embarrassing pronouncements on ‘regime change’ in Botswana," it said in a statement.

The ANC last week slapped down Malema's calls for nationalisation, saying they are hurting the economy.

Malema in recent weeks has faced charges that could derail his career, with major papers reporting he has a slush fund for bribes used to pay for his lavish lifestyle.


The youth league accused white capitalists of a conspiracy to bring down Malema, saying the family trust fund on which media reports have focused is used to finance charitable work.

Malema, 30, has no direct policy-making power in the ANC but his ability to influence the masses of poor puts him in an influential position, with senior leaders including President Jacob Zuma courting him to secure their political aspirations.

Malema's call for nationalising mines would bankrupt South Africa, economists said, with many seeing it as a ploy to help his allies obtain bailouts for bad investments they made in the sector.

Even though nationalisation could send the economy off a cliff, the ANC has kept the topic alive by saying it requires further study, so as not to alienate Malema.

The market capitalisation of listed mining firms in South Africa is about $270bn, equal to about two-thirds of GDP or twice the annual national budget.

Threats to tweak laws in order to expropriate shares for a fraction of their value would run up against international investment guarantees that would almost certainly trigger severe backlashes from South Africa's trading partners.

  • Thandiwe83 - 2011-08-08 16:44

    Kick Malema out of the ANC. He is a disgrace.

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-08 16:49

      The ANC chickens out again...what is so complicated about this,he has brought shame to the entire country but the will just keep postponing cause they cant handle anything at all...kick the entire ANC and ANCYL out as they are whats wrong with this country!

      My2c - 2011-08-08 16:50

      Lyk my iemand almal is te bang vir die mal emmer, niemand wil hul nek uitsteek nie, netnou stort hulle pap nat

      squeegeepilot - 2011-08-08 16:52

      Their finances are so intertwined they dare not cause waves. Zooma (The Silent One) does not know how to handle Kiddie Amin...

      Sheda Hab - 2011-08-08 17:15

      THE ANC IS scared of JUJU...................... Besides that they have no balls.................

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-08 17:23

      bet the lunch menu they had was a 'banana split'(as was the topic files of the meeting)

      johan - 2011-08-08 17:23


      tryanything - 2011-08-08 17:24

      He must have some interesting photos of zuma doing something wrong...

      LBS - 2011-08-08 17:33

      @Sqeegiegeepilot : he he, Kiddy Amin, very good! The ANC has no back bone! I can't wait for the crack to burst!

      Greybeard - 2011-08-08 17:37

      @ squeegee, "Kiddie Amin!" - LOVE IT!

      Lucasvli - 2011-08-08 17:42

      Their hands are tied and they can't do anything with him. They have learnt to live him with him for he is the one who put most of them in those positions. Even Zuma knows this.....he has got no tooth to bring Malema into line.

      g t - 2011-08-08 18:02

      That the ANC is paralysed to act against this thug makes them an equal disgrace

      Spyker May - 2011-08-08 18:11

      Sqeegiegeepilot, LBS and Greybeard, Let us keep things sincere and give credit to David Bullard as the originator of the "Kiddie Amin" tag. Eg, Many other people have also seen parallels between JM and the despot monster Idi Amin (he who loved his people so much he ate them) - eg

      steve - 2011-08-08 18:33

      "you must never role model a rich person who can't explain how they got rich.In the ANC we must not have corrupt people as role models. Corrupt means a simple thing- you can't explain the big amount in your bank account"- Julius Malema 2 March 2009

      Vince York - 2011-08-08 18:46

      Instead of everyone belching online, go to your nearest civil society agency and make real demand for REAL & IMMEDIATE investigation of not just one Trust Fund (called Laundry Funds in SA) and even the arms deals (plural) will be neatly revealed. Even dictators come AND GO!

      BigD - 2011-08-08 19:36

      I did not expect the meeting to take today. They are all having a long weekend.

      Creeky - 2011-08-08 20:46

      Damned if you DO KICK HIM OUT.... AND YOU DAMNED if you DON'T!!!! Malema can start his OWN POLITICAL PARTY... THE ANC NEEDS HIM and the 5 MILLION followers.... PLUMPY is NOT AS STUPID as most Mhlungu's think he is... He has the BACKING... HE HAS THE VOTES... the ANC ARE SCREWED WITHOUT HIM! As CRUDE as that may sound... it is the TRUTH!!! Only way the ANC can BEAT HIM, is by HIS OWN GAME... Find the FUGGER GUILTY OF TAX EVASION.... Lets hope!!!!!

      Creeky - 2011-08-08 20:54

      SOrry.... I meant to say 5 MILLION UNEMPLOYED FOLLOWERS!!!! Thats like 68% of the VOTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Henk - 2011-08-09 08:48

      He is part of their plan, why would they reprimand him? They would rather enjoy a nice holiday and some KFC. Malema is in fact not the out of control Monster of the ANC. He is just the Bad Cop doing the dirty work for their long term plan.

  • Fedup - 2011-08-08 16:46

    We all new this would happen

      cliffarc - 2011-08-08 18:48

      - Where's the complexity ffs ? The Ancyl have ambushed the Anc and are calling all the shots. A parent ,wayward child situation calls for immediate discipline and punishment. The tail continues to wag the Dog and Zuma is too gutless to put his foot down. - The vote buying ploy using Malema as the front ,is coming horribly unstuck.

      unknwnartist - 2011-08-08 19:40

      Its probably a long weekend for them.

      fraidycat - 2011-08-08 21:09

      And what was the price for the ANC to back off? A measly R50000 fine...

  • Grant - 2011-08-08 16:47

    Nothing is going to change...the upper echelons are too busy looking after their own corrupt influences to worry about the effects this is having on the entire countries future.

  • Carbon - 2011-08-08 16:48

    Why am I not surprised.

  • TBOOZE - 2011-08-08 16:48


      OorOppiGrond - 2011-08-08 16:54

      i know they can't

      Advocate - 2011-08-08 16:57

      Look at history. The rise of Hitler, Idi Amin and others followed a similar pattern

      fraidycat - 2011-08-08 21:11

      The ANC would already have taken steps against him, if they wanted to. He is a planned dictator!

      Raakvatter - 2011-08-09 12:37

      Zuma, mantashe and all the others know this too. Though act for them to try and save face and pretend as if they have any power or control over him at all. Fact of the matter is that the ANC leadership is scared witless of this black Hitler and the following he commands.

  • OorOppiGrond - 2011-08-08 16:51

    What a circus! This is a joke!

      Creeky - 2011-08-08 20:52

      If it wasn't so SCAREY....I would LAUGH OUT LOUD! The FUTURE of South Africa depends on this "REPREMAND"!!!!!!!! Doesn't that just SCARE the SH!T out of you? Am SO GLAD I AM OUT OF THAT SHITHOLE!!!

  • Showen - 2011-08-08 16:53

    Shakes head, shrugs shoulders, moves on...

  • Neil - 2011-08-08 16:53

    Lol!!! ANC is scared of a little toothless pavement special like Malema... HA HA HA HA.. Sissies!

      jannie.beirowski - 2011-08-08 18:24

      No, they are not scared of him, but scared of the influence he has on the voters that keep them in the pound-seats. If they lose the vote, they also lose their tickets to get them on the gravy train. They do not care about the country as long as the gravy train is not derailed.

      Neil - 2011-08-08 23:49

      @Jannie: Spot on..

  • Advocate - 2011-08-08 16:54

    OK, I will post my comment again and change the language a bit. The ANC is SOOOOO!!!!! scared of Malema.

  • Rocky_III - 2011-08-08 16:57

    ANC are spineless bullshi&&&ers. Fob it off and it will go away. Hey it works for a ostrich so why not us. Useless, ineffectual, morally bankrup, lazy, indecisive, downright corrupt and many more adjectives sum up the leadership (sic) we have.

  • Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-08-08 16:57

    When SA becomes another poor African state, the (poor) refugees (who actually want to work) will have no where to run (flee) anymore, because their "brothers and sisters" believed that envy and thievery might lighten up their futures to prosper, while not sacrificing a thing to achieve it. Time to immigrate. Yours Sincerely, The White "Capitalist"

      Advocate - 2011-08-08 17:05

      No, dont go. Malema is going to need body gaurds, and he wont be getting them amongst his own. He is going to need protection against his comrades. Join his body gaurds. He is going to make you rich, the same way Mugabe has to pay a lot more than an assassin is worth.

      hvklein - 2011-08-08 17:18

      Where would you immigrate from? If you talk about leaving South Africa you would be emigrating! English is a difficult language - ask Mampara Malema and his Merry Morons!

      Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-08-08 19:44

      Errr... Another English language (wannabee) purist. (P.S. I don't see the problem with the word used above, because you don't know my location in the first place.)

      Wolraad Woltemade - 2011-08-08 20:01

      immigrate verb. : …come to live permanently in a foreign country. vs. emigrate: intransitive verb. : …to leave one's place of residence or country to live elsewhere Thanks Mr Klein - Thank you for taking the time to teach me the King’s proper English. That you took the time to direct and teach me, does give me a sense of hope in the future of humanity. As an eager learner, I will in the future think more analytically of the words I use, especially when I take the time to write them on such an important website such as this one. Again, thanks Mr. Klein (Ek leer graag van mense, selfs al is diegene wat my oor die vingers tik self ook maar Kleinlik. Nie te min, dankie weereens!)

  • Johan Erasmus - 2011-08-08 16:57

    Now there's a big surprise!

  • v3 - 2011-08-08 16:59

    Jacob 783 is not a "lame-duck" president; he is a "lame-chicken"

      fraidycat - 2011-08-08 21:14

      Nope, a chicken is an extremely useful animal... Zuma, not so much

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-08-08 16:59

    So the big bad wolf (malema) scared the fearsome ANC comrades?

      johan - 2011-08-08 17:31


  • farmworker - 2011-08-08 16:59

    Well ANC will always do what is best for their interests, but thus human instinct. Who can black them?

      Fluke - 2011-08-08 17:04

      Who can black them? Are they not black enough?

      tryanything - 2011-08-08 17:27

      No Its ANC instinct

  • Bra Pat - 2011-08-08 17:00

    According to another source, he was just adviced to be more deplomatic with econ-subjects. Birds of the>>>>

  • Advocate - 2011-08-08 17:01

    If Mugabe (Malema's rolemodel) was in charge here, Malema would have been rotting in jail allready

  • YES - 2011-08-08 17:01

    It's called power balancing. To call Malema to heel might have serious repercussions for those who want to run for another term. The boy is indeed a catalyst of change and influence within the party as NEC can do nothing about it.

  • Mafele - 2011-08-08 17:04

    The boy's untouchable. He knows a lot 'bout most of them. They used him against Mbeki, now's his time to use them to loot state resourses. They are scared. He's in fact running the country. I would have given the boy rattex a long time ago, just to get rid of him. Viva Julius! I like it when you toment your "handlers". Your motto is " loot first & nationalize whatever is left."

      LBS - 2011-08-08 17:36

      Perhaps he is doing us all a big favour, by splitting the ANC into a thousand pieces! Somethings gotto give!

      Benny66 - 2011-08-08 18:36

      You're so spot on. A few weeks back on TV he said: "I don't mind them doing a lifestyle audit on me. But, then they must do it for all the public figures in government as well" - or words to that effect.

  • Mundu - 2011-08-08 17:04

    What a disgusting circus this all is. There is no brain power between the leader of the ANC or ANCYL, infact I think they are in competition to see who has the lowest IQ and the thing that boggles the mind is the "masses" who follow like sheep to the slaughter. You just can't fix stoopid!!!

      Leon - 2011-08-09 20:51

      Folk do not be fooled. JM may not be academically smart but he is extremely shrewd and has been 'in politics' from a young age. He has the 'mass black vote' in his pocket. The ANC Adult League who are all jockeying for power are extremely aware of this and therefore 'no action' will be brought against JM. It simply 'aint gonna happen'. He may be 'mildy reprimanded' behind closed doors but he will not be made to lose face in the public eye. The only weapon we have at the moment is the freedom of the press and ever vigilant journalists who need to continously expose the blatant corruption.

  • william.botha - 2011-08-08 17:04

    Birds of a feather...

  • Tom - 2011-08-08 17:04

    Chicken. What a sorry state of affairs that the current leadership of the ANC is so s**t scared of this creep that now they don't know how to slap down the cuckoo in the nest. He is going to destroy the party and they are too dumb to see it.

  • amabok - 2011-08-08 17:06

    F**kin Pussies!!!

  • Bart Zimzon - 2011-08-08 17:07

    you know, a trust account might just be a "vehicle" to siphon off funds from the government, to the pockets of a specific political party. Hence the fright and ducking/diving.

  • tokoloshe - 2011-08-08 17:08


  • alex.manhique - 2011-08-08 17:12

    you guys must do ur job,cause even if they postponed the date as long as they sit down with him solve his atitude,then u guys thumb's up from me

  • Eissom - 2011-08-08 17:12

    At any event that is staged for the public, one has a commedian between scenes to distract you from whats happening behind the scenes. Julius the Comedian What are the ANC up to ???

  • yes-well - 2011-08-08 17:12

    Surpriced anyone?

  • Agliotti - 2011-08-08 17:13

    Forward with NATIONALISATION forward!!! I support Malema 100% on this ONE.

  • Scorpion - 2011-08-08 17:13

    Sadly I think that we will soon be referring to this fart as the president of South Africa sooner than we think. My word can you imagine what the "regime" will be like in SA for those with "white tendencies" Just watch this space people.

  • - 2011-08-08 17:15

    No balls, no backbone, no brains, no shame...and they make him a President!

  • W Mukori - 2011-08-08 17:17

    ANC leadership's failure to deal with Malema the first time he opened his foul mouth only served to embolden him. The whole nation is now paying for it. And all this dithering by the party will make matters even worse; Malema, now more confident than ever than he can say or do anything and get away with it will be coming out with even more shocking things. No doubt there will be many more who will follow in his footsteps! SA is certainly on a dangerous slippery slope and all hands on deck before it is too late.

  • jamesbond - 2011-08-08 17:20

    all i can say is Malema you massive M O R O N!!!!!

  • flummoxed - 2011-08-08 17:26

    ANC 'big guns' to rebuke Malema.. What a a damp squib yet again. No-one in the Mother Ship can deal with the petulant little Alien

  • justmeme - 2011-08-08 17:27

    We all know by now that Malema rules the ANC and not the other way around.

  • Mukiwa - 2011-08-08 17:29

    The ANC is proving to be extraordinarily gutless on this issue. Evict Malema from the ANC membership and he cannot be the powerbroker at the 2012 conference. End of problem unless JZ feels that he can't win without him supporting his candidature for a second term. Then it's a question of what Malema can do outside the ANC? Probably not much. Other than using his own slush funds and trust funds, I doubt whether he can mobilise sufficient funding and organisational support to set up his own political entity. His organisation would make COPE look like Barack Obama's election organisation, which in reality is a total disaster. Malema will instead go to jail without the heavy protection he is currently afforded by JZ. The challenge is to the ANC, have some guts to turn around your organisation that's becoming Julius's bitch. Kick him out and let the law take its course.

  • sheep - 2011-08-08 17:33

    Isn't it funny that literally no-one on this forum had any real expectation for something good to happen, I for one am tired of empty talk from our governing party, I will be actively campaigning against the ANC next election, hopefully help the cause against this utterly impotent government.

      fraidycat - 2011-08-08 21:19

      Well, I did not want to say it, but we told you so...

  • Doug - 2011-08-08 17:35

    zuma man or mouse? Now is the time 2 prove your worth as president and bring that rabid dog juliarse to heel, b4 he bites u in your arse!

  • Bart Zimzon - 2011-08-08 17:35

    a father doesn't like to use a whip on is son.

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-08 17:52

      apparently the 'mother body' neither

  • corro51 - 2011-08-08 17:38

    Zzzzzzzzzzz.This matter will quietly die a death, never to be revived.

  • thefeather - 2011-08-08 17:40

    Holy smokes, I NEVER saw this coming!!!

  • andre - 2011-08-08 17:43

    The ANC think they are running the country but the economy is run by the whites in spite of them and they are just a liability

  • Jaco - 2011-08-08 17:47

    OMG, it is embarrassing how afraid the ANC leadership is for this idiot. I've never seen such pathetic spineless leaders in my life anywhere.

  • Colin - 2011-08-08 17:54

    Another back-down - will the ANC ever try to control Malema . The rest of the world is watching these developments and SA is sliding down the investment ladder and tourism will continue to wane

  • eh eh eh - 2011-08-08 18:07

    Typical sub-human efficiency

  • Dan Grey - 2011-08-08 18:08

    The ANC has created a monster and they have lost control over him.

  • Sir Eidolon - 2011-08-08 18:08

    Limp cocks.

  • lesm1984 - 2011-08-08 18:12

    It is unbelievable that the ANC has to kow-tow to an uneducated, corrupt, power-crazed idiot like Malema; have they no shame? Is there no depth to which they will not sink to hold on to power? Malema is a racist megalomaniac whose absolute hatred of the whites is equalled only by the Nazis hatred of the Jews. When the government of South Africa is prepared to allow this dangerous half-wit to bankrupt the country, to undo all the good that Mandela himself started, then it is time Malema was assassinated.

  • Peter Pan - 2011-08-08 18:13

    Everyone is so afraid of Mr Melema... so very afraid. he has more charisma and leadership abilities than the whole ANC top leadership put together. Whether I agree with him is a different story.

  • Dan Grey - 2011-08-08 18:13

    No one in the ANC wants to discipline Malema, because they all understand that he represents the voice of the voting majority. Whilst some in the ANC leadership do not agree with Malema's vision for South Africa, they are all to scared to speak out. Their main concern is loosing their place at the feeding trough, as Malema will fire those that did not support him when he finally takes power. It won't be easy for an uneducated ANC leader to find the same type of job with its generous salary and zero responsibilities in the private sector.