ANC did not refuse motion - Mantashe

2012-11-19 16:40

Johannesburg - The ANC in Parliament has not refused to discuss a motion of no confidence in President Jacob Zuma, party Secretary General Gwede Mantashe said on Friday.

"The question we are dealing with here is not refusal, but a programming issue."

The party's decision was that there was no urgency in the matter, Mantashe told reporters in Johannesburg.

At a meeting the past weekend, the national executive committee (NEC) of the African National Congress agreed with this view.

Mantashe criticised opposition parties for their plans to take the matter to court, saying they were seeking to reduce Parliament to a subsidiary of the judiciary.

"By taking a purely parliamentary programming matter to court, the opposition is... impeding the legislative independence of Parliament," Mantashe said.

The Democratic Alliance launched an application for an interdict on the matter in the Western Cape High Court on Friday on behalf of eight opposition parties in Parliament.

It seeks an order compelling Parliament to hold a debate on a vote of no confidence in Zuma before Parliament rises for the year.

The matter is to be heard on Tuesday.

  • peter.mansfield.395 - 2012-11-19 16:45

    Clearly the ANC cannot hear the gurgling sound of SA's credibility slipping down the plughole.

      joe.irwin.50 - 2012-11-19 16:53

      Deaf and fitted with blinkers. But talk, no problem in that department, although little of what they say is believable or makes sense.

      frederik.vanas - 2012-11-19 16:57

      I wish I could pooh in Gwede's porridge.......

      kala.bafazi - 2012-11-19 17:01

      What ever the anc says this week will definitely change next week.

      colin.dovey - 2012-11-19 17:08

      They could have fooled me - the cheering in Parliament from the ANC benches told another story.....

      lsfreak - 2012-11-19 17:16

      Can someone...anyone please explain to me what the cANCer NEC has to do with the goings on in Parliament. If the NEC made the rules in SA then why aren't they siiting there in the benchers :/

      bullet.proof.9400 - 2012-11-19 17:22

      Can;t believe the crappy excuses these twats come out with

      JanGrimbeek - 2012-11-19 17:33

      @ frederik, do you really want to degrade your pooh in such a manner ?

      Montagnes.Bleues - 2012-11-19 18:09

      Come the 'conference' at the compound in Mangaung there will be no zuma. He will be sitting awaiting trial'S..... zuma's best defence at this moment is to "STEP DOWN" and let the lawyers handle the fallout - noone is indipensable! It'll be best that quite a number of the NEC make quick preparations to depart SA as well. There is another tsunami of zuma's own making crashing down from heights unimaginable right this moment and NOW you will all begin to understand why Mbeki did the correct thing and remove him from office for teh duration it took to settle these matters. The ANC has been extremely foolish and is now utterly desperate - but the flood of goodwill has long evaporated. Don't continue stall tactics to try and weazle him through the Mangaung debacle

      devon.riley.52 - 2012-11-19 18:23

      No wonder we are so deep in the poop. We have a corrupt scumbag leading the country, and they recon it should move to the back burner as it is not a important matter. You gotta be joking Mantashe, or is your head so far up zipper's hole so that you can retain your spot on the gravy train?

      devon.riley.52 - 2012-11-19 18:25

      And its a known fact that 1/3 of the members of the ANC NEC are criminals. And what we should now be relieved that this criminal filth agreed?

      brad.ken.18 - 2012-11-19 19:30

      "If the ANC does to you what Apartheid did to you, then you must do to the ANC what you did to the Apartheid government" Nelson Madela (Address to the September 1994 Congress of COSATU

      morris.khunou - 2012-11-21 14:12

      DA and its cohorts does not represents the views of majority of SA. We are increasingly getting impetient and soon FATS WILL BE LOST! Your news sources gives you what you want to hear, so as you can continue to buy their publications! Read other sources, You will be shocked!

  • ivan.ferreira - 2012-11-19 16:49

    He absolutely makes no sense.

      kala.bafazi - 2012-11-19 17:02

      He sense make no absolutely.

      colin.dovey - 2012-11-19 17:08

      Ha Ha - it all adds up to NON-sense :-)

      godfrey.welman - 2012-11-19 17:15

      Not urgent...from who's perspective???

      Desilusionada - 2012-11-19 17:41

      His no sense is absolutely.......

  • chrisjanbotha - 2012-11-19 16:49

    Programming matter my **s....

  • carla.vittori3 - 2012-11-19 16:50

    Changing the goalposts again? How can they say there is no urgency? Its a matter of no confidence in the PRESIDENT of the country for crying out loud. Pathetic! I guess they just don't want JZ to look bad come Mangaung.

  • sean.noble1 - 2012-11-19 16:52

    yup if you have no issue with holding a session as important as this, then you should deal with it right away and clear it up, how does tomorrow look in your calenders? Oh wait we have to waste taxpayer money to get a court to make you do what is right. See you in court hope you get humiliated, and while the opposition is there save some time and money and lodge an impeachment case as well. JZ abused the oath of office he needs to step down. NKANDLA liar.

      rontheogre - 2012-11-19 18:47

      It is the same attitude that caused promises made 18 years ago not to be attended to.

  • brad.ken.18 - 2012-11-19 16:53

    What disgusting liars these idiots are! Running scared! YOUR NOT ABOVE THE LAW!!!!! Get that into your very, very thick skills! Then set a date! Like Friday!

      brad.ken.18 - 2012-11-19 17:33

      What gets me most, is these bastards think the public is stupid!!!! "Die Burger reported on Thursday that ANC chief whip Mathole Motshekga said the opposition's proposed motion was frivolous and unnecessary".

  • alonso.opinion - 2012-11-19 16:54

    Who do we believe? This was reported by News24 the other day: "Cape Town - The ANC has used its majority in the National Assembly to block a debate on a motion of no confidence in President Jacob Zuma. Die Burger reported on Thursday that ANC chief whip Mathole Motshekga said the opposition's proposed motion was frivolous and unnecessary. The ANC's parliamentary caucus met on Wednesday to discuss the motion."

      alan.jerrold - 2012-11-19 17:26

      Alonso, it's simple. "If the ANC says it, I don't believe it." A very helpful motto to live by.

  • dennis.crossman.9 - 2012-11-19 16:56

    Programming issue? I guess they plan to debate this after cANCer leadership election. Hoping that the will have rectified opinions of Zuma in the process. Normally votes of no confidence are priority over all other business since they affect all future business discussed by the so called Parliament of the day. Wakey Wakey cANCer, how can anything you do now be taken as true and ethical since the opposition has lost confidence in your leadership and it seems some of your cadres as well.

  • mtizozo.nsele - 2012-11-19 16:58

    I still feel that this motion is a blody waist of parliament time. They should be discussion about how do we bring back death penalty in this county, what would be the impact, how do we empower small business is this country in order to create more jobs in the society, how do we minimise people from moving from the rural areas like Inkandla to the cities and overpopulate the cities since there were designed for minority. Maybe they will say let’s build more mentions in the rural areas, this will empower small business, i.e plumbers, air-conditioning companies,

      sydthefirst - 2012-11-19 17:12

      Your priorities are spot on Mtizozo, only problem is the cANCer also refuses to discuss those issues in debate, together with many other that is currently causing the downfall or our country. Pathetic bunch of spineless cowards.

      mariuskowie - 2012-11-19 18:19

      mtizozo.nsele, are you actually willing to allow someone like Zuma to oversee the death penalty? Horror of horrors!!!! Does not matter how badly South Africa needs the death penalty, we simply cannot entrust it to the current incompetent government. They can not even get books to the schools. Imagine how badly they are going to Fu*k up the death penalty. Most likely they will require the condemned person to strangle himself. Also, there is no medical parole from the death penalty!

      byron.matthews.562 - 2012-11-19 19:07

      lol @ "how do we minimise people from moving from the rural areas like Inkandla to the cities and overpopulate the cities since there were designed for minority"

  • BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-11-19 17:00

    Well the only way to deal with the ANC based on past experience is to force them to abide the Law and the constitution through legal channels. If one doesn't, they do as they please.

      mtizozo.nsele - 2012-11-19 17:24

      I agree, law of this country need to be excursive by any individual, we need to be careful of losing out the time for our priorities and utilising the chance to bring up the alternatives.

      mariuskowie - 2012-11-19 18:21

      Your idea works once or twice, then they change the law to suit themselves.

  • ray.molekoa.5 - 2012-11-19 17:01

    Gwede guy again, you guys are in government , please save the nation this humiliating embarrassment of lying without thinking how it affects the citizens . How do you respect chronic lairs like this people ? Just how do you command respect with this kind of behavior ?

  • phillip.jacobs.94 - 2012-11-19 17:03

    So Gwede! So why was it necessary to get an interdict? I'm sure you're not that stupid to have seen the urgency from what transpired in the house. Or do you want people to spell to you?

  • willie.botha.9480 - 2012-11-19 17:05

    Gwede must really think the the people of SA are stupid. Well he and the rest of his cronies are in for a surprise ...

      sewsexy - 2012-11-19 17:25

      @dino.goodman.7 You obviously have much hate in your heart dear man - let go of this hatred, it will free you. Open your eyes and see what is going on - this will also free you. Open your ears and hear what people are saying - this too will free you!!!!

      mtizozo.nsele - 2012-11-19 17:31

      @ Dingo it's not only the fact the guy is a Zuma, also some people especial those who have not lived in the rural areas, to them they are still thinking that anything done for rural community is a waste of gov money. Let alone if some individuals like the Zuma can do it themselves. Mental Slavery will always bring this country back. I will never vote for any other party since that will mean take this country 36 years back. It’s just a cheap politics and stupidity from the so called opposition.

      JanGrimbeek - 2012-11-19 17:35

      @Dino.goodman.7 > As you rightly said dino, you are OF SA and there is a "parliarment" and not a parliament. But hey thanks for that new word, very fitting for that place of lies !!!

  • johan.maree.5036 - 2012-11-19 17:05

    Me: So anc, what are you up to? anc: Just spinning...

  • paul.korb.9 - 2012-11-19 17:12

    Gwede why dont you rather just keep quite - you are ruining your struggle name with these corrupt persons -be a man and stand up to this BS! but you are not a man.....are you?

  • gazaspells - 2012-11-19 17:14

    the da will lose the motion in parliament for no anc mp wants to destroy he anc by even having one vote for pro-motion, do the maths there are more anc mp's. i wonder why they are even taking the matter to court since the democratic process allows for such a motion to be refused as has been done. the majority rules that democracy

  • timothy.mbele.3 - 2012-11-19 17:19

    It is hard to understand all Zuma supporters when they argue a case. There is no logic in all their defences.

  • JanGrimbeek - 2012-11-19 17:21

    They did not request to DISCUSS the matter, they requested it to be DEBATED.... some difference in the two, normally a debate about something like this will end with voting whereas a discussion will end with vomiting.

  • tlaksbanda - 2012-11-19 17:22

    I Think Cde Mantashe is Politicking Here - Mathole Motshekga Has Clearly Indicated That The ANC Were to Use its Paliamentary Majority to Prevent the Matter from Being Raised Beyond the First Stage! Isn't That "Blocking" The Discussions? On the other Hand, I Somewhat Agree With Mantashe That, The Paliament Should Not be Reduced to a Subsidiary of the Judicial. Frankly Speaking, I Don't See The DA Winning This One!

      tendani.mphaphuli - 2012-11-19 17:40

      Majority Rules in parliament. Until the rules are changed there is nothing you can do about it. To change the rule, you also need majority

      mtizozo.nsele - 2012-11-19 17:47

      Majority has more right then minority, how is that for people who can not understand JZ. That's why when you enter the parliamnet you sit on the left because you can't sit on the right since you are a minority. gues what idiots will take him to court for that,,

  • tendani.mphaphuli - 2012-11-19 17:38

    The DA has totally lost it. Where on earth does the court decide on parliamentary issue? I bet that the court will not entertain the matter and it will refer back to parliament for consideration. Does Lindiwe Mazibuko understand what epoaration of power means? I understand the frustration and does not want JZ to be the president, this is the wrong and stupid approach. I hope Judge Hlope preside over this one.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-11-19 20:24

      The court does decide on Parliamentary issues. Remember the thieves who stole the taxpayers' money (the travelgate scandal), most appeared in court and struck plea bargains to pay back. The ANC thieves then forgave them and said they should not pay. Do you know Tony Yengeni? He got a bribe (discount on his mercedes benz ML) in return for awarding a tender to some German company. This happened in Parliament. And guess what, he was convicted and sent to jail. So what the hell are you smoking?

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-11-19 17:39

    Bulldust it like it is not apartheid it is transformation. Same bung.

  • mtizozo.nsele - 2012-11-19 17:39

    If you listen to leader like Dr MG Buthelezi, UDM Leader Holomisa, Tutu, you can sense a element of honest and sympathy for the pressure that an ANC is a carrying for the last 18yers. Some people can realised that anc has never govern this country but have been fixing the mess from the previous laws. i.e this country still suffer a lot from in-equality and sensors has recently confirmed that it will take this country 50years from now to balance the inequality, this is provided whoever is more richer now is helping to empower whoever is more poor now.

  • JanGrimbeek - 2012-11-19 17:39

    Eish ... a misunderstanding again.

  • pws69 - 2012-11-19 17:43

    Mantashe is right, it is just a programming issue. The ANC have set it down for the second Tuesday in December 2056

      piet.motsoeneng - 2012-11-19 18:33

      Lol Pws!

  • braamc - 2012-11-19 17:43

    Also time for you to f off

  • hasani.malungana - 2012-11-19 17:51

    They just want our President to spend sleepless nights.Being a President is not a joke but a hard job. I also think there is no urgency in the matter. The Court will find in favour of the ANC on this one.

      piet.motsoeneng - 2012-11-19 18:32

      Yeah, you would probably not see urgency evn if it were to hit you on your face. So, you think its better fo millions of South Africans to have sleepless nights rather thatn one pathetic dude? What will probably make him have sleepless nights is how to respond to parliamentary question about who is funding developments in his Nkandla Palace.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-11-19 20:27

      Being a President can't be hardwork for Zuma. He just reads speeches written for him, steals some money to build his harem, and chase after women during his spare time. How difficult can that be?

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-11-19 18:06

    Mantashe criticised opposition parties for their plans to take the matter to court, saying they were seeking to reduce Parliament to a subsidiary of the judiciary. This one should actually retire he does not know the truth anymore.... It is the ANC which tries to make parliament a subsidiary...... like the ANCWL Like the ANCYL Like the ANC war veterans.......????? Like Casatu... Like the Communist party...... all subsidiary leeching entities that rely on milk from the mother body...

  • hitting.thefan - 2012-11-19 18:16

    They are liars. They have no morals!

  • firmsly.kabelo - 2012-11-19 18:20

    Is Mantashe in parliament? No then why hes talking? The Chief Whip must talk about parliament not him and the Chief Whip said this motion is playful,silly,not serious and desparate.

      piet.motsoeneng - 2012-11-19 18:25

      Good point Kabelo. When an issue is too difficult for them to respond to they will tell you that thats govenment business not ANC, and today they are responding to parlimentary matters. Hypocrates.

  • leon.delange.3 - 2012-11-19 18:30

    you are on my pay roll.DO YOUR WORK

  • njdejager - 2012-11-19 18:33

    NOTHING is ever urgent for the ANC. Thats why this country is in such a state. They better start waking up seriously.

  • joe.smit.549 - 2012-11-19 19:13

    Gwede. You are uuuuuugly. I used to have two pugs. You are twice as ugly, as two of them put together.

  • joe.smit.549 - 2012-11-19 19:16

    Just watched you on the news. You talk crap!

  • brad.ken.18 - 2012-11-19 19:27

    "If the ANC does to you what Apartheid did to you, then you must do to the ANC what you did to the Apartheid government" Nelson Madela (Address to the September 1994 Congress of COSATU

  • Prince Bird - 2012-11-19 19:31

    If u r running with times, u wont protect Zuma! If they block motion of no confidence,Bring Nkandlagate or recent bond lies from honorable Shower man! Being a fool is a job and half.

  • Shane Prins - 2012-11-19 19:39

    anc cant afford to have the fitness of the zuma slimeball debated just before mangaung...especially his cronies...

  • bill.mckimm.9 - 2012-11-19 19:45

    The ANC now controls the who, what and how much; now they beleive they have the right to dictate when and where anything can take place. But it has to be after jz is re-elected by a corrupt electorial process which they will attempt to replicate in Parliament. If that is not a definition of a banana republic I don't know what is. We need a miracule to be rid of these criminal opportunists.

  • debduplessis - 2012-11-19 20:41

    Typical... the back tracking starts LOL

  • mark.a.fysh - 2012-11-20 00:29

    Mantashe insults all South Africans, regardless of their political persuasions. This is refusal by another name; and yes, we are bright enough to work it out. Perhaps it has eluded you, Mr Party Secretary.

  • alf.pop - 2012-11-20 07:46

    So what Motshekga said in parliament was taken out of context? Unfortunately it was aired on TV, but that should not be a problem. The SABC will surely make the footage disappear if ordered by Mantashe (the barbel with tooth decay!). Whenever one of these3 crooks opens his mouth he or she is lying. No wonder, if you have a chairperson (Mbete) who has a less than perfect record from her days in Mamparalanga.

  • GenIuSouL - 2012-11-20 20:57

    The DA is impeding on the principle of separation of powers, talk about a potential ruling party.

  • morris.khunou - 2012-11-21 14:06

    How desperate!

  • bongamanci.xhangayi - 2012-11-22 05:33

    Ha ha ayesaba amagwala!! We lost trust to Zuma so he must go!! Viva DA viva!

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