ANC disturbed by veterans' warning

2012-10-25 16:46

Johannesburg  - The ANC has expressed disquiet at the party's military veterans' warning to Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe not to contest the position of president.

"This statement amounts to a threat, which is in violation of the ANC constitution which allows any member... in good standing to be eligible... to any position in the organisation," spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said on Thursday.

"There is no place for threats and coercion in the ANC and its structures."

Last week, the Umkhonto we Sizwe Military Veterans' Association (MKMVA) warned Motlanthe that if he challenged President Jacob Zuma for the ANC's presidency, it would not support him.

"We will support Kgalema Motlanthe for deputy president, but if he contests the [presidency], the conference resolved to support comrade Cyril Ramaphosa [for deputy president]," chairperson Kebby Maphatsoe said.

The African National Congress holds its national elective conference in Mangaung in December.

Some party structures have said they want Motlanthe to take over the position of leader from Zuma. Motlanthe has not said whether he will accept the nomination.

Mthembu said the ANC had to guard against creating intolerance in the party.

Lobbying had to happen within acceptable limits of motivating the capacity of a candidate nominated.

"Our members must refrain from introducing foreign practices that can polarise and divide the organisation," he said.

  • greg.quinn.353 - 2012-10-25 16:52

    It's not about what you veterans want. It's about what this country needs.

      daniel.jacobs.3766 - 2012-10-25 17:24

      Sadly, nowadays it's not what the country needs that we will end up with.

      celtis.africana - 2012-10-25 17:29

      Not what the country need but what ANC needs.

      junaid.vanderwalt - 2012-10-25 17:31

      They're useless organisation, wasting tax money through ANC. I don't see them benefiting anyone, they're loosers.

      sani.ghana.3 - 2012-10-25 17:33

      ANC and all their bras much go we are tired of them, we want strong and crime free terror lekota and madam for next government

      louis.olivier.988 - 2012-10-25 17:45

      Any one in good standing. Now where do these crroks find that person

      danie.strydom.7 - 2012-10-25 18:04

      This was a misprint, the headline should just read ANC DISTURBED

      gieljam.gomtor - 2012-10-25 18:21

      Now they actually proclaimed themselves nutty , disturbed meaning they should be in an asylum.

      moriri.mosweu - 2012-10-25 18:48

      These lot are a disgrace, when we were fighting down here they ran away under the pretence of being in exile, now they are eating the whole cake and commanding who's going to scrape the scrambles of the whole cake they are....bloody hell. Zille fold your sleeves and get ready to take over, enough is enough.

      art5SA - 2012-10-25 23:29

      Shortest book EVER WRITTEN? "VICTORIES",.... by Umkhonto iSizwe Front page, Back page... and sweet buggerall between those!!!

      Oraniaboer - 2012-10-26 04:53

      Ag who cares about the innerworkings of the Clown brigade? We all know everything that comes out of the anc circus is a joke anyway.

      sean.carbutt - 2012-10-26 08:28

      Don't you find it ironic that black people always throw racisim and apartheid in your face, yet these old farts are cool with keeping the status quo. I mean, hey, they black, they old, why should they ever have to change. Please do not vote for the cANCer, please. For once follow through on your threats.

      esrom.mohlolo - 2012-10-26 08:57

      Well said Greg,its what majority of us are saying.We can't seat back and watch RSA becoming world laughing stock,our voice should make a difference for the sake of our children future,Friendly the future is doomed for our children under the current ANC leadership,The President has fail with flying colors.the legacy he is going to leave behind as the former Pres is wht?answer=NOTHING.

  • Willie - 2012-10-25 16:52

    "'s military veterans..." who are this people with wrinkled faces and tired knees They fought for freedom of expression,freedom of speech.I'm convinced they do not know this concepts.

      phello.khiba - 2012-10-25 16:57

      veteran's r not future of this country,their time is gone..we need fresh blood.2 hell with their advice they fail this country,during their time..they must give ntate moholo zuma,that advice.2 step down,n join old age home..

      digger.dighead - 2012-10-25 19:48

      It's the same story all over Africa and will take hundreds of years to change; Give me, take what they want, power, dictatorship, fight and fight again. They really do not want to live a peaceful life, all you hear are negative and aggressive comments. When last have you hear anything positive or constructive coming from our so call leaders? “We want our land and will take it, we want our minerals, we want, we want…” and if they get everything they want, then will turn on each other and start fighting for what’s left of that destroyed country. (Don’t take my word for it do some research of Africa)

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-26 14:31

      Makenawn. Most of them hung around in Zim. and Zambia, making babies and getting drunk. Lots of those wearing the uniform today never went anywhere, never did anything, but hell, who cares as long as the colour is o.k.

  • camp.j - 2012-10-25 16:53

    South Africans cannot allow this evil, greedy, despicable man a second term. Think of the dire consequences!

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-10-25 16:59

      Problem is, Motlanthe is no better. Either way we are screwed. The only salvation for this country is to oust the ANC and vote the DA into power.

      mohlala.moroamadile - 2012-10-25 17:17

      @stirrer.stirrer - now u talking nonsense - how do u know Motlanthe is no better

      sani.ghana.3 - 2012-10-25 17:35

      I will vote for terror and the madam, their hands are clean and they know the job

      sean.carbutt - 2012-10-26 08:32

      @ Mohlala, let me answer that question. Up until about 2 weeks ago, i would have given him my vote, no problems. Compared to zoomer, well it's light and day. BUT, about 2 weeks ago, the Dep Sheriff showed us and the rest of the world that he is an OUT AND OUT COMMUNIST. Thats why he must never come into power and why he will now never get the support of the non cANCer voters. So i am afraid, i will have to vote for godzille

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-26 14:32

      Camp.j. we are getting Zuma again in December and this time he wants his plane and a helicopter as well.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-26 14:35

      Mohlala.moroamadile. Mothlanthe is a dear man but not capable of leading a country. He blows with the wind and others will rule behind the curtains. In fact there is no leadership material up high in the ANC and they prefer to keep it that way.

  • funiabsalomndala.funi - 2012-10-25 16:55

    SA is heading for a free fall

      gieljam.gomtor - 2012-10-25 18:12

      yes free for all that demand hand outs don't want to work and just take...

  • berni.venter - 2012-10-25 16:56

    Power struggle up and down the ranks... What promises have been made to the veterans by whom I wonder?

  • raymond.billson - 2012-10-25 16:57

    bob mugabe and the zanu-pf Miltary wing = jacob zuma and the anc Umkhonto we Sizwe Military Veterans' Association. Look at the policy similarities. Where is our "rainbow naition" going. The rainbow is fast disappearing.

      armand.horn.58 - 2012-10-25 17:30

      @Ray. When the sun goes down, there are no rainbows left.

      nico.dejongh.90 - 2012-10-25 19:08

      How long still before politics becomes back ground sound like a Buick or Merc, quiet but powerful and effective. What bothers is African leaders now in RESPONSIBLE positions use the power gained as politicians to 'brag' over 'their' riches which in fact belongs to all, irrespective for who you vote. The government of a country is there to look after the people, they work for us, yes they are our slaves. This does not get explain here in Africa, they are hiding this truth to fill their pockets. The politicians are keeping Africa poor. Skelms.

  • rob.gunning.1 - 2012-10-25 16:57

    "There is no place for threats and coercion in the ANC and its structures" but on the other hand, there is plenty of space for rampant corruption, theft, racism, mismanagement, lies, corruption and self enrichment at the expense of the tax payer. Did I mention corruption?

  • wackidmaledu - 2012-10-25 16:57


      stephen.scott.376043 - 2012-10-26 12:12

      That's the word.

  • shamiel.mathews - 2012-10-25 16:58

    If Zuma can focus more on being a president and spend less time lobbying he will be one of the greatest presidents. All he does is connive and scheme cause that’s all he knows coming from the intelligence of the ANC. No substance, no vision, but unfortunately he is good at what he does…..which is scheming and clinging to power.

      rob.gunning.1 - 2012-10-25 17:00

      He will never be one of the greatest presidents. Maybe the greatest pilferer but that's the only accolade he deserves.

      shamiel.mathews - 2012-10-26 10:26

      I agree Rob, he will never be a good president. He is too self-absorbed, lacks vision. I honestly think he is good at scheming. Look what he did to Thabo when he was fired. My only wish is that if he is re-elected (& unfortunatly there is a good chance he will) people should move away from the ANC so that we can have a real democracy....where a party can be voted out if they don't deliver. What we have is not a democracy, because there is no accountability. At the moment the president and many gov ministers ignore court orders. Now how can this be a democracy???

  • bongane.zwane.948 - 2012-10-25 16:58

    It shows that there's no strong leaders in the ANC why would they even want to put people up when they feel like it bunch of ....... anyway lets change the ruling party for good in the next elections.

      sandra.j.rennie - 2012-10-26 11:32

      I have yet to see a Good African Leader ! These people cannot lead, period.

  • BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-10-25 16:59

    Oh what a wonderful democracy we have.

  • thando.ramncwana - 2012-10-25 17:00

    Is this a threat by the MKVA?.....they were just saying their stance on the issue. They did not say he mustn't stand or else they will eliminate him......they just said they wont support him.

  • zakazarurwa.vuma - 2012-10-25 17:00

    what can they say they are old as their leader zumba

  • ben.alexander.16144 - 2012-10-25 17:00

    The anc always shows it's true colours, they have a tendancy to violence and dictatorship is what they want. How can SA survive 5 more years with this???

  • stanley.seisani - 2012-10-25 17:00

    ANC will suffer a major blow after mangaung,I don think people will continue voting 4 mafia party

      rob.gunning.1 - 2012-10-25 17:14

      Of course they will.

      keith.ngobeni - 2012-10-25 18:09

      @Stanley, south Africa is full of idiots and brainless people who doesn't know what they want, come election time they'll still vote for the ANC because they're brain-dead scumbags who lacks basic education to understand the future consequences of keeping the ANC in power.

  • lesego.motshebe - 2012-10-25 17:01

    The anc under president zuma has been reduced to a mickey mouse operation

      rob.gunning.1 - 2012-10-25 17:12

      Mickey mouse is far more successful and organized. Mickey shows tolerance, he supports all regardless of their support for him and he is far more realistic than Zuma will ever be. Mickey mouse for president, he'll do a much better job!

      george.slade.161 - 2012-10-25 18:07

      It always was Micky Mouse !

  • Vince.York - 2012-10-25 17:02

    No coercion or threats or the likes within the ANC? he he hee! Plenty black plastic bags & cooler boxes in convoys with blue lights full of used notes is good enough not to be considered as coercion hey? nxa

  • - 2012-10-25 17:02

    We are fast becoming a Zumabwe!

  • lvhukeya1 - 2012-10-25 17:03

    NOTHING gonna happen to them bcos they're supporting dat big headed thing some of u call president.

  • lucky.lehlaka - 2012-10-25 17:04

    How can they say that?

  • lvhukeya1 - 2012-10-25 17:10

    NOTHING gonna happen to them bcos they're supporting dat big headed thing some of u call president.

  • richard.zanner - 2012-10-25 17:21

    Here is still big trouble coming. This play for power is not going to get pretty anytime soon. It has the smell of civil war.

      lvhukeya1 - 2012-10-25 17:26

      true... there is still more to come.

  • siyanda.kobo - 2012-10-25 17:27

    Under Prez Zuma Presidency: Protection of State Information bill High corruption Strikes No rugby world cup Cartoonist threatened

      Randomhero6661 - 2012-10-25 22:26

      he is a real D@@s i say...

  • ashley.rhulani - 2012-10-25 17:30

    Veterans must just go to hell and leave us in peace...

  • nghamula.mdunwazi - 2012-10-25 17:37

    This time he's sober.

  • neilsen.swartbooi - 2012-10-25 17:39

    People can be just unfair, Mbeki criticised Government and it was said he was raising his views. MKMVA is voicing their view and are entitled to that.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-26 14:41

      Neilsen.swartbooi. Well said.

  • neville.watson.94 - 2012-10-25 17:41

    What foreign practices ? it is only South Africa and the ANC that can say who must be president and not the people of the country for this there will always be corruption ,they do not serve the country but see how much they can get out of the country

  • hannah.p.mostert - 2012-10-25 17:44

    No I think the people need another 5 years with Motlante to be convinced that ANC will never deliver. They will never believe us cause we are white, they must suffer to understand we must just watch them die without food because they don't want our help

      Ezra Eey-z Ranjers - 2012-10-25 18:18

      thats the only problem you have whites you thnkong you are smarter than you many countries in the world with whites president but arent they suffering?you dont even know how it takes to be a leader.all i see on every white person is recist are foregners let us rule our country and you go back to rule where you from.back off

      tshilidzik - 2012-10-25 18:28

      What kind of help? Where do u accumulate what what u have?, i think here. U are a foreigner, just back off, God wil bring the solution in to our lives. Not u.

      Desilusionada - 2012-10-25 19:50

      @Ezra Eey-z Ranjers When you have asked for your education money back, please spend it on English spelling and grammar lessons. Then come back and tell us what you are trying to say.....

      thabane.magcaba - 2012-10-25 22:12

      white peaple get this into your heads, you are not the solution to our country problems. black people dont need you and stop acting like you care

      Randomhero6661 - 2012-10-25 22:36

      "There are only two races on this planet-the intelligent and the stupid." -John Fowles

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-26 14:44

      Ezra Fey-zRanjers. You see on people's faces what you want to see. The racism is in your mind and by the looks of things it isn't doing you any good. Please tell us where a white president is stealing from the poor in his country?. Don't stay a plonker all your life.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-26 14:50

      Thabane.magcabe, neither are you the solution to this countries problems, rather you are a semi-perpetrator by keeping those in office causing the problems in the first place. Get use to the idea that white people are here to stay and if you don't like it, go live near the graves of your ancestors in the Congo.

  • Michael - 2012-10-25 17:46

    "military" veterans....hahaha...HAHAHAHAAAA!!!!

  • eugine.bouwer - 2012-10-25 17:49

    South africans the dream is dead,dictatorship is in our backyard, but nothing last I know mugabe is ur rolemodel madala

  • john.thelps - 2012-10-25 18:03

    Hey!! Wake up, this is Africa!! We can do what we want!!

  • louise.minnie - 2012-10-25 18:12

    mmm I think I like the veterans

  • CdeMalatji - 2012-10-25 18:20

    Finally Cde Jackson is sober

      Bra Tebzaah Sibilanga - 2012-10-25 18:22

      Saw his street kid @ the robot begging.

  • themba.mngadi.71 - 2012-10-25 18:21

    I thing there is nothing rong what the MKVA said about Monhlante. but Monhlante himself 2blame, why he so Quite about his position being the next Pressident.? what he is thinking about..!!

      george.slade.161 - 2012-10-25 19:21

      Cadres dont/cant Think !

      mthelu - 2012-10-25 19:34

      @ Themba u Kgalema noko uphucukile uyazi uzoya njani phaya uzokonyulwa zi branches then xa ephethe akazunika zikhundla kuma cdes ambeke phezulu no no no uzobeka abantu aba professional abafana naye yilo nto ke ethule

  • ray.molekoa.5 - 2012-10-25 18:27

    Signs of things to come ! Brainless old common criminals who run away and joined the ANC in the camps and have no positive contribution to make to the country's challenges . When is this circus going to end , and how ?

  • Sphiwe - 2012-10-25 18:41

    These veterians are still existing most of them are old,poor and they were the ones who want to chase whites out of the country we will vote for motlante or better IFP than zuma

  • phuti.hlabane - 2012-10-25 18:42

    Y not discipline them?

  • maluxionn - 2012-10-25 18:44

    The comments by those MkVA lack wisdom and show cowardice on their side.They don't understand what democracy is,clearly the years that they spent in the bush during apartheid had an effect on their judgment capacity.I see an element of triabalism en blind loyalty to their lieutanant Zuma.We don't need such pple in our country.I say to hell with them.

  • ernie.croucher - 2012-10-25 18:45

    Die ANC is Manguang verskrik. Dink net aan hul self, vergeet van die res.

  • phuti.hlako - 2012-10-25 18:45

    Is'nt abt few veterans only, ANC is disappointed by Zuluboy

  • shaun.cousins1 - 2012-10-25 18:58

    "What luck for the rulers that men do not think." —Adolf Hitler

      jacob.molife - 2012-10-25 20:04

      Didnt kow Nazis have hav a fanatic in you ...SHAUN COUSINS.1 ?!??

      stephanie.sutherland41 - 2012-10-26 00:10

      @jacob.molife- its a reasonable quote by an unreasonable man. A very true quote in this case. The man might have been nuts, but that quote is probs the only thing of sense he ever said lol

      jacob.molife - 2012-10-26 07:41

      Stephanie.Sutherland41...I appreciate your good natured but factual reply.

  • alican.francem - 2012-10-25 18:59

    This will take a whole lot of energy to fight, federal clowns and their leader.

  • rasthami.m1 - 2012-10-25 18:59

    I grew up with a knowledge that wisdom is attained from old people but it really is disturbing when an old person makes such statements it really is disgraceful ,it says a lot about the fading vision which ANC was founded upon ,if the movement is going to cater for such individuals who are guilty perpetrators responsible of sowing division within the ANC structure then the future of the ANC is uncertain

  • joyce.beeton - 2012-10-25 19:13

    It's not the ANC who is "disturbed" - it's the Veterans who are mentally disturbed. Who are they to threaten anybody? In a "real" war they would have been wiped out - no back-bone, all jaw. GO HOME - SIT IN THE SUN AND ENJOY THE YEARS YOU HAVE LEFT.

  • jacob.molife - 2012-10-25 19:26

    So democracy does not allow veterans the freedom of speech? prejudice !!? !!?

      muzi.cele.5 - 2012-10-26 06:22

      your freeedom of speech must not threaten anyone.

      jacob.molife - 2012-10-26 07:05

      Define the word 'threat' against what the veteran s said exactly.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-26 14:53

      Jacvob.molife. It all depends on whose democracy you are speaking about.

  • edwin.phadu - 2012-10-25 20:08

    So there is freedom of assocoiation and democracy within ANC ranks, very alarming, I wonder where we are going as a country.

  • nofikathiniskeyi.eunice - 2012-10-25 20:09

    ibrakana zikazuma

  • hitting.thefan - 2012-10-25 20:12

    Only a idiot runs into a brick wall repeatedly, does this make the veterans idiots?, I think so!

  • Michael - 2012-10-25 20:31

    Polotics is a very exciting game, Jackson knows that he likes what MKMVA said, but he is brashing it off as if he dont like the threat! Ey, Jackson?

  • thabo.shaku - 2012-10-25 22:10

    At last MKMVA is getting a rebuke from he ANC. Sounds familir: Zim military vowed never to support Tshingarai if he wins the elections ahead of Mugabe!