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ANC election process depressing - Zapiro

2012-12-04 22:24

Cape Town - The process leading up the ANC's elective conference in Mangaung is depressing and does not bode well for South Africa, cartoonist Jonathan Shapiro said on Tuesday.

Addressing the Cape Town Press Club, Shapiro, who is known as Zapiro, criticised some in the ANC for pushing to give President Jacob Zuma a second term as African National Congress president.

Zapiro said it was "ridiculous symbolically, and in terms of where the country was at the moment".

He said there were a few positives he wanted to depict in his work. These included civil society organisations standing up to the government and criticising its spending patterns.

"I've already mentioned the way groupings within society are working together and being a kind of a curative, curbing those kind of excesses."

Shapiro hoped more voices would be raised in opposition to the way the ANC was running the government.

"I think Zwelinzima Vavi is in a very interesting position because he sort of spans both camps," he said, referring to the Congress of SA Trade Unions general secretary.

"Maybe things will get so bad at some point that he'll break off with a number of others in various sectors."

Where the ANC was concerned, he hoped there would be a "break-off to the left".

He showed and discussed several of his controversial cartoons, some which have led to legal action against him.

They included the cartoon depicting Zuma unbuckling his belt while Lady Justice lies on the ground, being held down by the president's allies.

Last month, Zuma dropped a lawsuit against Zapiro involving this cartoon. He had originally claimed R4m in damages and later reduced the amount to R100,000 before dropping the case completely.

Zapiro said he would not deny that the cartoon was defamatory.

"Why would I deny that I was saying something as hard as I possibly could, as harsh as I could?" he said.

Zapiro said his lawyers would have argued, had the matter gone to court, that although the cartoon was defamatory, it was also in the public interest and was a crucial issue to the country.

"These are nationally known figures and what we are saying is we can justify why I did a cartoon like this and why the Sunday Times published it."

Comments
  • chris.rama.18 - 2012-12-04 22:41

    i agree with him, its boring. I dislike your hot headedness, you behave like a youth,you are becoming another malema.

      lukhele.george - 2012-12-04 23:45

      There's something on your eye, Rama.

      lukhele.george - 2012-12-04 23:47

      Rama, you've something on your eye. I think its called headedness.....lol

      cyril.mpanza.1 - 2012-12-05 04:39

      No, this fellow is correct. The ANC is has let us all down. I am going to the opposition next election. These people in the ANC are no longer freedom fighters. This fellow is truthful not like that child Malema.

      bambanani.mdzimba - 2012-12-05 07:35

      zapiro must keep his opinion of the ANC to himself and fellow ANC haters,if he is not satisfy with the anc election processes he must,please form his own party and do processes of election that will make him happy,he doesnot have any right to tell ANC who to elect in mangaung,whether right or wrong can we allow the ANC to elect its own leaadership,the old white mentality that black people cannot in their own without some white messiah to elect its own leader is still dominant among whites.blacks didnot struggle for white people to tell them who should lead them.

      johann.dutoit.355 - 2012-12-05 09:06

      @bambanani troll... Yet you keep on refering back to race, white and black... No better argument to use? nothing? really...? Shame man!! Instead of blaming the "white" man, blame the current system. and BTW, the DA is not a white party, go look at their membership and followers race. If you really have nothing else than the race card to try and pull, you're a very sad human beeing..

      richard.hipkin - 2012-12-05 09:11

      @bambanani, it's called freedom of speech, a democratic right, deal with it. We will say what we want about who we want when we want, kapeesh?

      carl.debeer.52 - 2012-12-05 10:11

      Bambanani Zapiro isnt paid by DA to draw his pictures...The ANC just make it so easy for any cartoonist or comedian to rip them off cause they are so stupid - simple fact! Perhaps we could encourage you to draw cartoons depicting the work the DA has done? Although how boring would those cartoons be with clean streets, working municipal services and non-corrupt leaders - you have your work cut out for you!

      sjmanthey - 2012-12-05 12:18

      @Alicia: For goodness sake.. dramatic much? Lighten up. Not everyone lives in a dull state of depression so quit inflicting your sorry life on others. Bamabani - typical shallow opinion from your type, need I say more.

  • wesley.fick - 2012-12-04 23:13

    Go Zapiro! You've always said what's on other's minds and have never been afraid to be branded a racist by those who don't want to acknowledge the truth - this country is going downhill so quickly it won't even be possible to calculate how fast, because by the time we've melted into a banana republic, we won't have anyone who knows how to do math properly!

  • vernon12345 - 2012-12-04 23:34

    Well done Zapiro keep drawing, u capture the political picture perfectly well in everyone of your pics. They don't like what you are drawing because it makes them uncomfortable and shines light on their bad ways. Thumbs up

      beverly.young3 - 2012-12-05 00:14

      Oh I agree completely. He has to be a very clever cartoonist to capture in a few lines, the essence of what is going on here. I think he is brilliant. So he has an opinion? So what, we all have, and voice them loudly here.

  • truthbetold221 - 2012-12-04 23:50

    Backbone

      sheik.mohammad.378 - 2012-12-05 02:15

      Zuma and those in government have a lot in common with jelly babies....... all have no backbone. That maybe the reason why books weren't delivered to Limp-popo was that books have spines and the ANC could not relate to that.

      truthbetold221 - 2012-12-05 07:13

      It's sad that the only people who can stand up for something are the people outside ANC, everyone in the ANC is like a zombie controlled by the master Zuma.

  • tamara.webster.9 - 2012-12-05 00:23

    Mr Zapiro the sad fact is most SA doens't care

      sheik.mohammad.378 - 2012-12-05 02:17

      I was once a proud South African, the ANC erased that.

      emile.marais - 2012-12-05 02:56

      Sheik, to be honest the ANC where not alone.

  • 75sibusisomhlongo - 2012-12-05 00:24

    zapiro is just another white person expressing his anger at the country's black presidents, we would be lying if we said he liked Mandela or Mbeki, no he didn't. he just doesn't believe in a black person running the country. since when did cartoonists get involved in politics, so much that they even criticise people for electing the leaders they choose to have? i know and understand the anger he has in connection with the re-election of Jacob Zuma since he obviously hates him but i keep wondering if there is no political organisation behind all this.

      Gerhard - 2012-12-05 00:42

      "Since when did cartoonists get involved in politics?" Did you not have history lessons in school?

      reza.ryklief - 2012-12-05 02:48

      You should go to your school and ask them for a refund, since they obviously didn't do a very good job. One of the main reason for "The Arts" (movies/comedians/cartoons/music etc.) has been to comments on relevant issues. It's called social commentary.

      emile.marais - 2012-12-05 03:02

      Hold a mirror up to nature...

      wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-12-05 04:51

      @75sibusisomhlongo: Ha ha !! Dude, you're living proof of the "Education Crisis" we're experiencing in this country.

      bibi.vanzyl - 2012-12-05 07:41

      @75: you are so ignorant. Cartoons are used the world over to express opinions on politics and always show more insight than politicians themselves. Before you pull the race card, you need to do a bit of research on Zapiro and his political views. You ignorant sod.

      p.borchard - 2012-12-05 09:17

      sibusiso, like most of your fellow angry "we demand-generation" you just don't get it. Mandela was very much liked (not that that is a pre-requisite for a good leader). He was also a hands-on leader who achieved enormously good results at a difficult time. Mbeki was totally out of touch with what went on in South Africa - he spent more time "intervening" in the trouble spots in the rest of the world, that he left us to be governed by unsupervised power- and money-hungry underlings, who also could not give a hoot about the betterment of the country, unless it benefitted directly into their back pockets. Zuma was one of those looters that Mbeki did not care to supervise - and he has brought everything to new heights of patheticness :-- corruption, degradation of every existing structure that was before, criminality, no education, no foresight, no hope for a better future for ALL in South Africa.

      mfumbayelangabi.silwane - 2012-12-05 09:48

      Spot-on Njomane I don't think we have a place for the likes of him.They had over 352 of practice yet there were no services delivered to the majority and now they think they know better, we only have less than 20 years but we have done far more than they did in their previlaged years.

      p.borchard - 2012-12-05 11:00

      mfub-xckoeirl etc. In your words "we have done far more" - unless you want to brag about doing far more damage, you are talking nonsense.

      nataschja.ferreira - 2012-12-05 11:08

      You clearly had no education especially education in history. Cartoon are used worldwide to communicate to the masses. You probably did not have that. Racist retoric!! hahahahahahahahhaa you are a joke

      Adam Garden - 2013-06-02 11:00

      Sibusi so does the 75 refer to your IQ ?

  • Eddie Rautenbach - 2012-12-05 00:46

    Zuma is corrupt, and should burn in hell!! however votes for him are uneducated and have no brain cells shame. fraud disgusting sick ANC!!

      thabo.manganye - 2012-12-05 05:07

      If you read through your sentence again, you might find reason not to call others uneducated because you seem to fall in the same bracket with those you are insulting. Pot calling kettle black

      dee.bone.39 - 2012-12-05 08:20

      eddie. Do u have brains or education?

  • Eddie Rautenbach - 2012-12-05 00:50

    Fox you uneducated. VIVA black man rule not for very long!! this country is in GOD's hands and the White Man will rise up in victory and the revolution will happen!! VIVA AWB and DA!!! Helen Zille voted best leader in the world!! so keep on wishing foxi mwa

      geronimo.feather - 2012-12-05 02:20

      dude, if you support the AWB then you have no place supporting the non-racial DA. The DA doesn't want ignorant and racially prejudiced people like you and Fox Trixter.

      emile.marais - 2012-12-05 03:09

      Eddie, your Nationalist dream is an illusion. Learn to respect everyone's rights, and why do you think white people would do a better job? Our last great plan was Apartheid. How did that pan out? It's 2012, get with the times.

      amanda.dewinnaar - 2012-12-05 06:10

      I feel so sorry for you Eddie! Jy's een siek, siek seun... Om darem God se naam in 'n boodskap vol haat te gebruik maak nie sin nie. Dit doen Sy naam oneer aan.

  • Maria Mary-ann Mamabolo - 2012-12-05 01:24

    how i wish that one day our comments will move from race and colour and discuss the essence of the matter at hand. when are South Africans going to realise that bashing something non of us has control over (our skin colour) is NOT going to solve the challenges this country faces on a daily basis?

      flower.fourie - 2012-12-05 04:09

      Mary the day this happens then we will all be saved. But it's a long time coming.

      archie.mooki - 2012-12-05 06:13

      when that happens I will gladly leave New York and come back home, let's have hope and pray for it.

      marianne.jacobszkapp - 2012-12-05 10:41

      Maria, at long last, someone with sense. Good governance has nothing to do with skin colour. Until we stand together as South Africans, and look for a better path for all of us, rabble rousers and politicians without real substance will continue to exploit us to further their own ends. Forget about colour, we need to find the right person for the job, whether black, white, male, female. We need someone who will care about the people of this country and a better future for ALL our children.

  • reza.ryklief - 2012-12-05 03:07

    ANC's winning formula - 1.) Spout some right-winged pro-black racial BS 2.) Get a tsunami of votes, from gullible idiots 3.) Enjoy 'La Dolce Vita' On another note, if you're wondering what a cartoon is doing 'interfering' with politics, then google: 'Social Commentary' and... I dunno, 'The last 2000 years of human history', at least.

  • ppisciotta - 2012-12-05 04:21

    Zuma has already presented himself as a joke to the civilized world. May America and the EU stop funding SA and let us starve until this evil that is 'Zuma-ism' is done away with.

      moeketsilesetla - 2012-12-05 05:37

      EU fund SA or SA fund EU, I don't get u

  • brionyl.french - 2012-12-05 04:59

    We all disappointed in the ANC they the laughing stock of the world. Behaving like kids all the time, They all need to be put over their mothers knee for a good hiding!

  • thabo.manganye - 2012-12-05 05:14

    Coming to think of ot, people know the ANC will be ruling this country again after the next elections hence they are all concerned about the internal affairs of the party because if people like Zapiro were so confident that the ANC is facing a big challenge from the opposition, I think they would be caring less about anything to do with it.

  • SKY7471 - 2012-12-05 05:19

    Why has Zuma been voted back in???? can only be to keep the gravy train moving as the passengers would be thrown off by a different driver!!! sic!!

      Isikhothane - 2012-12-05 11:37

      Why did whites vote PW Botha pre 1994, that lunatic racist, since when now white South African know know the attributes of a good president as the last time they voted presidencies into power after 1910, it was racist and brutal presidents so please back off. Zuma is a joke but not a killer and a racist, that operated without a constitution like the all the previous white presidents in South Africa.

  • george.mabena.146 - 2012-12-05 05:19

    I don't blame him whites have always thought they are superior to other races.Even in this age and day they still look down on blacks.they go about displaying christianity signs on their cars and co.vehicles but that's only to fool the unsuspecting people.this is not the work of God

      mark.corrigan.3910 - 2012-12-05 08:28

      Oh, I am not a Christian. And I don't feel superior to blacks. Only ANC supporters. And judging by the comments on this forum...can you blame me?

  • tikoloshe.hogana - 2012-12-05 05:22

    tell me where the country was before and where it is now. i dont understand zapiro.

      mark.corrigan.3910 - 2012-12-05 08:29

      There are many things you don't understand. Have a lie down. Rest your peanut.

      tikoloshe.hogana - 2012-12-05 11:53

      BEFORE -Blacks were opressed. TODAY- Blacks are politically free. they are still oppressed economically. they are poor as before. a solution is for ANC to nationalise all our natural resourses and re destribute wealth (land) to all South Africans

  • SKY7471 - 2012-12-05 05:24

    With Zuma back in fat boy is screwed!!

  • mawandewonderman.mkuba - 2012-12-05 05:25

    Eddie Rautenbach: man please go back to school you sound pathetic

  • wendetutubalang.wende - 2012-12-05 05:33

    Leave matters of the anc to anc . That organization is big and it shall cleanse itself

      richard.hipkin - 2012-12-05 09:20

      hahahahahaha!!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-12-05 09:20

      You mean enrich itself.

  • mawandewonderman.mkuba - 2012-12-05 05:40

    Zapiro u've got big balls. Ur the man.

  • molebatsi.ramonaheng - 2012-12-05 05:46

    I don't see how ANC processes are any of ur business, as a Jew why not concentrate on Israel's atrocities on Palestinians? Racism is the worst sin

      celeste.m.lackay - 2012-12-05 06:39

      @Mole- you are what's wrong with this country. You, 90% of the ANC and its obviously uninformed supporter base. Unfortunately since we a teetering on the verge of total stupidity as a country (average of 13% in Mathematics), it would seem that the ANC may just be around much longer than is right. Like you and I, Zapiro has EVERY right to zap and question Zoomer, the ANC and everyone else who expose themselves, their foibles and their stupidity publicly!!! I pity you and the rest that spew the filth, hatred and intolerance!! Shame!

      Sho Sbu - 2012-12-05 07:00

      @molebatsi: Jews are people who pay tax like you. for the record, am as black as they come. you need to empower your thinking bru. what stupid person say this on a public domain?! just so you know, this domain is accessible even to your bosses.goodluck!

      mark.corrigan.3910 - 2012-12-05 08:30

      Wow, astounding comment. You do Africans proud.

      ernest.letsoalo - 2012-12-05 10:29

      You just wrote a racial comment,Molebatsi..why does everythinh has to be racial?

  • alican.francem - 2012-12-05 06:12

    Whenever folks put something on the table for constructive discussion one puppet comes in with his baggage of race cards. ANC is a joke we cannot deny that and one worse thing to do is to put a shepard to run a country. I wish youth can demonstrate this deep frustration in 2014 general elections. Let us not be blinded by our skin color, we have seen the power of diversity in the recent US elections, together we can overcome this hypocrisy.

  • Yosi Sesoana - 2012-12-05 06:16

    zapiro zapiro zapiro

  • Shane Prins - 2012-12-05 06:21

    anc supporters are correct, why are outsiders worried about their internal processes? just dont vote for them in the elections, I certainly wont. sa should move on from this anc fixation and try to fix our country despite the buffoons currently in charge

      mark.corrigan.3910 - 2012-12-05 08:32

      Thank you, Captain Obvious. Here, have a muffin.

  • Stephen Radebe - 2012-12-05 06:44

    Casing a damaging reduction in economic activity

  • Adriano Rodrigues - 2012-12-05 06:50

    Strikes, violence, marches and etc are not the way. When the government is hurting the people, we vote them out. Thats democracy. I hope people in SA understand that some day. Zaphiro is right!

  • lenox.ntlantsana - 2012-12-05 07:15

    Are there any results yet in the WC? Tell me about it Zapiro!

  • mbambo.shi - 2012-12-05 07:35

    Doing the right thing is an insult to ANC and it's supporters. Should Zapiro pulled the ''New Age'' all along, he would have long ago been honoured with a Noble Price from ANC. Since he stands for what's right, expossing all wrongs unappoligitically, he has become a number one enemy to the corrupts.

  • khehlas.mbatha - 2012-12-05 08:15

    Zapero's depresion arise from the re election of Zuma, that confirms his personal hatred of the president.

      mark.corrigan.3910 - 2012-12-05 08:33

      That's okay, he's not alone. Many people hate Zuma. I think you will see in 2014.

  • mark.corrigan.3910 - 2012-12-05 08:27

    It is so ironic to see all these ANC groupies dis Zapiro, who has been fighting oppression (and who fought the Apartheid government) when they were probably still infants, picking their noses and "experimenting" with the goats.

  • abdul.cassiem.9 - 2012-12-05 09:11

    U go Shapiro say t way it is!!!!! U t Maaaaannnn!!!!!!Poor ANC supporters u hve a lot of anger an hatred in u.CHILL out Amigos!!!!! U have t country an power already so Y worry

  • mfumbayelangabi.silwane - 2012-12-05 09:38

    only when you realize you pocking fun of our Presidet is not working you start to cry like a baby.I would like to comend you guys you taught us well and we are fast learners .What is frustrating you ,is it because people are not taking you serious any more.Steve has arisen and we need to go to the grass roots to promote BLACK CONSCIOUSNESS

      mark.corrigan.3910 - 2012-12-05 10:07

      More like BLACK UNCONSCIOUSNESS. Just let the ANC do your thinking for you, okay bud?

      wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-12-05 13:30

      ...Black Consciousness ? Lol ! I seen more consciousness in a comatosed person.

  • SirFGrumpy - 2012-12-05 09:54

    The state of the nation is depressing, Zuma is depressing, the behaviour of striking workers is depressing, the level of crime and violence is depressing, the level of fraud and corruption is depressing. The future for this country is depressing!

  • mondli.khumalo.16 - 2012-12-05 10:17

    Looks like DA aka devil alliance have manage to create their own MALEMA... Pity this version of malema doesn't understand his mandate. We as Africans we don't care what you have to say mr zapiro why dnt you share your opinion with Zille and her followers.

      mark.corrigan.3910 - 2012-12-05 11:14

      "We as Africans..." cannot speak for ourselves? If you "don't care" about Zapiro, why are you here making dumb-a$$ comments?!

  • mondli.khumalo.16 - 2012-12-05 10:19

    There is a world toilet summit currently being held in Durban.... Go and ask for domestors and wash your mouth cos you talk s$-@#t

      steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-12-05 11:14

      Hey Mondli, you are one seriously warped troll! If you ever went to school, go back and demand a refund!

  • Isikhothane - 2012-12-05 11:30

    There a Zulu on my wallet.

  • Isikhothane - 2012-12-05 11:41

    When all is said and done, we won't have a white president in SA, that pleasing. Lindiwe Mazibuko must just use Herbex, in her current body weight she will make a good addition to Zuma's wife tribe.

  • vusisayoni.mpanzakasola - 2012-12-05 12:09

    Zapiro not the member of ANC, Please give ANC members a space to choose the leader they want. DA congress you never say anything about it. I dont thinky ever voted for ANC even during the time of Mandela. Zapiro please can you draw pictures about whites who are abusing blacks farmers, domestic workers. Amen

      mcollen.mcollen - 2012-12-05 21:34

      u bcme a domestic n farm worker s a results of yr lazynes n failure 2 try.wen ur lazy,u gt wht lzy ppl gt.dats it.

  • magomarele - 2012-12-05 12:26

    You go Zapiro. We support you all the way.

  • sifiso.mabaso - 2012-12-05 13:50

    blowing off hot air,no substance to his rantings

  • mfanafuthi.mhlungu - 2012-12-05 14:09

    oh zapiro is depress thats a good news go

  • wonderboy.s.maseko - 2012-12-06 02:36

    If Zapiro is the political cartoonist he must focus to all political parties nt only ANC, like he's doing at da moment n he mst knw that only ANC members in good standing would decide on their own leadership without any influence of non-ANC member.

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