ANC fears DA-Britain 'plot'

2012-10-21 16:33

Johannesburg - South Africa’s spooks are zooming in on the “suspiciously” cosy relationship between the DA and Britain.

A senior government official, who is also a high-ranking ANC leader, confirmed to City Press that the State Security Agency had increased analysis and surveillance.

The ruling party has been uncomfortable with the closeness between the two parties of late.

Issues that have fuelled the unease in the past three months include:

» A meeting last week between Western Cape Premier and DA leader Helen Zille and British government officials, including High Commissioner Nicola Brewer, where Zille allegedly asked for 10% of all investment in South Africa to come to the Western Cape. Zille denies this;

» A visit by Zille with a tourism delegation from the province to London earlier this month, where she told the SA Chamber of Commerce the ANC would split in the next seven years; and

» Former Zille adviser Ryan Coetzee’s appointment as adviser to Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg this month.

“There is something deeper than meets the eye and South African security has to analyse that,” the official said.

He said government was concerned that “an aggressive onslaught” from Britain and other European countries would undermine South Africa’s value-based approach to foreign policy.

The DA was establishing international relations to prepare for taking over government after the 2019 or 2024 general elections, the source said.

April fool's joke

Another high-ranking government official said the closeness between the British and the DA was similar to the British backing the MDC in Zimbabwe to overthrow the “hostile” government of President Robert Mugabe.

The matter is set to be discussed at the ANC’s third International Solidarity Conference, which kicks off on Thursday.

Zille said the story sounded like an April Fool’s joke.

“Is someone occupying a parallel universe somewhere? Or is this part of the ongoing ‘Zanufication’ of the ANC?”

She said in London she spoke positively about South Africa’s future. She met High Commissioner Zola Skweyiya and “had positive feedback every time”.

She was also interviewed by CNN, the Financial Times and The Economist, among others.

She said the DA’s relationship with Britain was “professional, as with all other governments with which South Africa has diplomatic relationships”.

The DA previously complained that they were being spied on.

State Security spokesperson Brian Dube said the agency “is guided by a need to uphold national security guided by the Constitution and national laws. In this regard, the agency does not interfere in normal political activities”.

- City Press

* Read more on this in Mandy Rossouw's blog: "The ANC and the big DA-Britain conspiracy."

  • Samuel - 2012-10-21 10:25

    I don't c wrong with DA marketing themselves.

      Rabbler.Rouser - 2012-10-21 16:44

      Usual ANC conspiracy theories. The ANC also has a cosy relationship with Britain. Zuma was the Queen's guest a few years ago. It's not their exclusive domain. Absolutely nothing wrong with the DA marketing the Western Cape for the benefit of all it's people.

      lownabester - 2012-10-21 17:00

      Running scare are we:)))Bang gatte, Poor Helen, I agree it sounds like a April fool's joke.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-21 17:06

      This is even more proof of how the filth that is the cANCer are running scared. They've started to wake up to the fact that SA citizens can see right through them, but it's a little too late. There is not a member of cANCer that is not pure pondscum.

      jannie.koekemoer.58 - 2012-10-21 17:20

      the anc has a cosy relationship wit zimbabwe!! this relationship is scary!!

      nicholas.graan - 2012-10-21 17:20

      It must be a plot ..

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-21 17:28

      Tit for Tat methinks. The "forgotten, misplaced or non-existent" spy tapes ring a bell ?? This wouldn't have been said if the "tapes" didn't come to the fore.

      fred.murgatroyd - 2012-10-21 17:29

      I think the anc is consulting the wrong sangomas. They must just be sure not to kill any rabbits now.

      liesure.larry - 2012-10-21 17:42


      alf.pop - 2012-10-21 17:44

      ANC paranoia at its best! The state security agency is giving it everythingto make sure the whole government ends up with egg on their faces! Do they now want to legislate who we are allowed to talk to? Ffffforget about it! Make up your minds, Zumarians: Do you want foreign investment - yes or no? Why do you keep begging in Europe if you prefer the Far East? Schizophrenia is really on the increase in government circles!

      Vince.York - 2012-10-21 18:17

      ANC-PF now complete?

      sani.ghana.3 - 2012-10-21 18:21

      The corrupt ANC regime always spread these lies to pollute the mind of the people, madam zilles hands are clean and ANC fears takeover. I can no longer stand with these corrupt agents my vote I will give to the strong woman

      LiveYourOwnLife - 2012-10-21 18:33

      abner your comment smacks of racism and intolerance, the DA are not linked to apartheid in any form in fact the NP that enforced apartheid joined the ANC, the only party in this country that is not basing it's performance on racial and past politics is the DA.

      godfrey.welman - 2012-10-21 18:38

      One way of taking the focus away from Zummaville, Mangaung, Mining strikes, Down-grading SA credit rating, Cosatu...feel free to add to the topics that the CancER should attend to but are unable too.

      lara.vanrooyen.1 - 2012-10-21 18:47

      Margie, he's always stiff.

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-10-21 20:02


      Robsschele - 2012-10-21 20:27

      If she did ask for 10% of investments then it's too little. There are nine provinces and an equal share is 11,1%. Then investments are divided equally.

      husaberg.twostroke - 2012-10-21 21:03

      Seems like the anc is in a state op paranoia. Mmmmmm I see CRACKS HUGE CRACKSSSSS.

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-21 22:32

      Just shifting the focus among their ranks; the State Security can't even find there boss' machine gun.

      aj.oosthuizen.7 - 2012-10-21 23:41

      Lets see....South Africa consists of 9 provinces...And if one province was to get 10% of the investment money....that means its not getting all it should? Correct me if I'm wrong. And being the most well run province should triple that percentage anyway....

      richard.hipkin - 2012-10-22 09:31

      Either way, it is VERY concerning that the Govt spies on the opposition. This should be ringing HUGE alarm bells!!!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-22 09:42

      Abner.Malema why are you so against the DA? You think it is a white party that will bring back apartheid if they win the votes? Please man, if you think that, or actually believe it, then you are more retarded than i thought. apartheid will NEVER happen again... white people do not want to oppress anyone... we just want this country to be great, and to be able to live and work together as one nation. Stop looking through skin colour lenses...

      mlucejko - 2012-10-22 10:03

      The ANC are becoming more and more like the 'Apartheid Government' they took over from !!

      aijaman.pirlo - 2012-10-22 11:03


      ed.gutsche - 2012-10-22 11:59

      baldersnatch - 2012-10-22 12:44

      They're trying to nurture the fears of imperialism and "bringing back of apartheid" in their constituents. Even though nobody wants either of these things there is an obvious deep-seated lack of trust.

      freddie.miff - 2012-10-22 13:01

      The ANC fears democracy.

      willem.vanrensburg.562 - 2012-10-22 14:35

      ..My word....the ANC is afraid of the MADAM after all...IDIOTS...!!!

      louis.olivier.988 - 2012-10-22 17:22

      Was it not mad bobs strategy and an excuse to seize the white owned farms because they cosied up to Morgan in the eighties. The anc is becoming desperate. They say these kinds of things and their backward electorate believe them. They are now attempting to raise the fears of their followers by indirectly saying Britain and the DA are enemies and want to re- colonize SA and bring back apartheid. Of course the intelligent ones don’t believe a word of this anc BS

      derek.francois.3 - 2012-10-22 19:13

      Zoooomer and his cronies hands are stuffed so deep in the cookie jar that they're paranoid about everything around them

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-23 19:25

      R3ndi3r - considering the amount of thumbs up you've got, that pretty much says it all.

  • china.phashe - 2012-10-21 10:40

    I really don't see anything wrong in DA making friends in the world.ANC can't choose friends for DA and dictate who to talk to and not.

      rontheogre - 2012-10-21 17:12

      The ANC are covering their bets for future elections as the old and lame "apartheid" and "colonialism" excuses seem not to be effective anymore. Now they will say "the DA and UK plotted against us to.....(you fill in the rest as the situation demands). Always looking for a scapegoat to point the finger at instead of themselves, and the supporters believe it. No wonder pyramid schemes and internet scams are so successful in SA, the most successful of which is the ANC top brass that have been stringing the suckers along for 18 years while Zuma and company are coining it beyond belief.

      gavin.simpson.0 - 2012-10-21 17:42

      @Ronald, right on the money. It's all part of cANCer's battle plan.

      art5SA - 2012-10-21 18:57

      ANC are SLAVES to CHINA... Three times a year, either Zuma or his Deputy flies over to their MASTERS in Beijing, to give UPDATES on how they are PLUNDERING the COFFERS... Look how many CHINESE businesses are POPPING UP.... and Employing their OWN FAMILY MEMBERS.... not LOCAL... Should those businesse be European owned, there will be HELL TO PLAY by the Dept of Labour! If your eyes are SLANTED or you look "SLEEPY".... Dept of Labour looks the other way!!!

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-10-21 20:21

      Politics is such a dirty game....

      frank.cornelissen.1 - 2012-10-21 22:38

      George Orwell's 1984 wasn't meant to be an instruction manual for these insufferable fools from the ANC!!

      aj.oosthuizen.7 - 2012-10-21 23:44

      Well, now there is two likely outcomes.....either 1.) The ANC splits up or 2.) South Africa splits up...and im really hoping for the former..

      merven.halo - 2012-10-22 07:07

      "that “an aggressive onslaught” from Britain and other European countries would undermine South Africa’s value-based approach to foreign policy." And the ANC selling SA out to the Chinese is not undermining South Africa's value-based approach to foreign policy?

  • Roto Rate - 2012-10-21 10:53

    Yes, these are the real owners of the DA, it is owned by Britian. Their purpose is to undermine black leadership. They are interfering with our government to destroy.

      spartanx93 - 2012-10-21 16:44

      your current black leadership could not even organise a piss up in a brewery! - 2012-10-21 16:48

      You mean your government is destroying the country and they are intervening to save the large investments they have made in our country. Neanderthal man, come let us civilized people teach you something. lmwao

      SharonE - 2012-10-21 16:51

      @ Roto - The ANC have tried time and time again to discredit the DA nationally, and have failed. Next step: Feed the people's fear, let them distrust the DA by making wild accusations. Don't be blinded by the ANC propaganda. Look at their motive. The DA has become more than irritating to the government, and they would love to discredit them by any means possible.

      matthew.ovendale.3 - 2012-10-21 16:54

      i can't pick up wether that is humorous or just news24 speak - 2012-10-21 17:01

      The ANC Government has already destryed this country by very bad leadership and corruption through and through...Why don't you get your head out of the sand and learn something new for a change!!!

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-21 17:08

      @Roto Rooter. Adjust your thinking.

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-10-21 17:19

      Considering the wholesale theft in and racist policies of the ANC, how can anyone be blamed for trying to destroy it. Evil parties will always die, no matter how long it takes. Thus gone are the NATS and gone will be the ANC.

      rontheogre - 2012-10-21 17:21

      Roto, the largest think tanks in the world, never mind the DA and UK, could never come up with the novel ways in which the ANC is greasing the slide under SA. Read the comments and articles, listen to the interviews and statements of the traditional ANC supporter to get a small indication of how gatvol they are of their own so called "leaders". The Black leadership needs no plot to undermine them as they have it well in hand themselves. Do you really think it is outside entities that is forcing them to steal the public blind and then try to defend it with laws and regulations that expressly proves them to be criminals? Do these outside entities also force them to lie repeatedly in public forums, just to be shamed when these lies are proven? Please learn to take responsibility for yourself, then force our government to do the same.

      claudia.meads - 2012-10-21 17:21

      If this is even remotely true then the ANC clowns are completely out of control. If the ANC is using state resources to spy on Zille/DA then South Africa is back to the days of Apartheid practices and as such warrants absolute full international sanctions against SA - IMMEDIATELY. This article is either the biggest joke since "The War of the Worlds" or it is the most serious incident in post-94 SA. Then SA is legitimately on the brink of full-scale civil war.

      jacqui.c.baumgardt - 2012-10-21 17:24

      Oh, puhleese!

      Zahir - 2012-10-21 17:36

      The anc is already in self destruct mode they don't need the DA to help them f..k things up

      helmut.smrz - 2012-10-21 17:40

      He brother I am looking forward to be recolonised and get rid of the scum

      Desilusionada - 2012-10-21 17:49

      @Claudia Believe me when I say that you are probably much closer to the tuth than you think. The Zim example. Blame it on the UK when the Apartheid excuse is no more. A 10 year "Boeremag" Trial, Info Bill, weak Army, harangue against the press, stuufing up education, building Nkandla, weakening Rand, poor/reluctant foreign investor trends, and most of all -beginning of loss of control over worker demands..... "establishing international relations to prepare for taking over government after the 2019 or 2024 general elections" If this is reason to respond as they did , then it is quite clear that they are preparing to never accept any political party change, and any are thus preparing to violently suppress it. I have yet to see a public, unequivocal and unambiguous statement condemning the Machine Gun or Kill the Boer songs..............

      art5SA - 2012-10-21 18:58

      Roto Rate... you must be an OBE "graduate".... Cannot think or imagine further than your nose.... now can you?

      rodney.bevan.58 - 2012-10-21 19:12

      Paranoia setting in already boys? Nothing like dragging the old "colonial" scare card out is there? Who will be arrested and jailed for sedition, treason or any other trumped up nonsense you guys can think of? Since when is it any business of the ruling party to decide who the opposition can and can't talk to? Ya think maybe the western governments are already looking forward to the day the ANC get booted out? I certainly hope so!

      lownabester - 2012-10-21 19:41

      Roto rate, you really dont care to make a fool of yourself, do you? Its people like you that should take zuma and leave this country to be run by people that have brains.

      patricia.dewet.92 - 2012-10-21 19:50

      Spies pretend to work. The spi boss did not even know his wife was a drug smuggler, sleeping next to her, THAT IS SCARY.

      croix.mactee - 2012-10-22 06:24

      Rotavator - Don't let your mind wander, son. It's way too small to be let out on its own. The rabid cANCer should rather worry about the perceptions the SA public (and the world) have of your so-called "black leadership". Wake up & smell the pig 'manure'!

      gerrit.vanpletzen - 2012-10-22 06:38

      What an idiotic comment. Typical of an ANC supporter.Your lack of intelligence is stupefying. Sorry, I forgot you would not know what if mean.

      pieter.haasbroek - 2012-10-22 11:36

      In RSA and Zimbabwe black and leadership are mutually exclusive.

      ed.gutsche - 2012-10-22 12:00

      holger.schonfeld.9 - 2012-10-22 12:32

      you ignorant little man, where is your call to duty for democracy- it is because of comments like yours that we will prevent our country from emerging out of the current state- and FYI business ties NOT = to politics!

      darryl.maze.5 - 2012-10-23 10:28

      And the first dumb brainless idiot speaks. Well done you moron!!!

      archangel.zerachiel - 2012-10-23 19:42

      Black Leadership? Surely an oxymoron as there is no such thing. Or is that an AfriMoron? No wait, that title is reserved to FatBoi MalEneMa.

  • sCruu - 2012-10-21 11:07

    Nothing wrong with DA having its own Int. Relations. ANC is friends with the Beijing, China.\r\n This is what Zille said on Financial Times : “The next five years will be complex and difficult\r\n but the break-up of any liberation movement is\r\n always complex and difficult,”. Do you think she would again contradict herself in public and say she forsee a ANC split in 7years?

  • mboma.maligana - 2012-10-21 11:28

    Denial, Denial and Denial!! Is interesting how the paranoia make reference to Zimbabwe, and seemingly conveniently forget how MDC came to prominence. Unlike Zimbabweans, South Africans, a lot of them, will see no wrong if the leadership in South Africa Change. The ANC is about tenders no matter how weak and destructive a leader is his popularity among the core remains intact. Why, because their bread is not (yet) affected. Rock dumb!! If the ANC is incapable of changing bad leadership, South Africans will embrace anybody who will change things for them. Where else in the world have you heard police shooting its own people and those who were shot at are arrested?? Where in the world have you heard a government choosing to subsidize air travel and decides to toll-road ordinary citizens?? Where in the world have you heard so much money spent in private dwelling (other than Zim)?? 20 houses for body guards!! A banker!! Is not a bunker is safe/vault to hide all ill-gotten money?? Freedom fighters with no soul, heartless!! This is getting worse than the apartheid regime.

      gretchen.oswald.3 - 2012-10-21 17:08

      Nbona, I wish to applaud you. You couldnt have said it any better.....These things only happen in Zim and SA.

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-21 18:35

      Starve them at manguang please

      lownabester - 2012-10-21 19:44

      Mboma, you nailed it. Well said. 20 houses for body guards??? and how many house for body guards for his wives??? He is draining our country.

      art5SA - 2012-10-21 21:11

      Mbomba....Those Body Guards are MERCENARIES.... Whom will get paid with SAFFA'S TAX MONIES!!!!

  • sakhile.gamede - 2012-10-21 12:04

    Dont give the power and land to the moniority...they will give it back to the British...

      spartanx93 - 2012-10-21 16:45

      dont you have a mine strike to attend??

      vaaldonkie.visagie - 2012-10-21 16:46

      My friend, go read about the two Anglo-Boer wars. - 2012-10-21 16:50

      moniority? WTF sounds a bit moron like to me.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-21 17:07

      I think we should have a competition here. Who is thicker? Sakhile.gamede or Abner Malema. It's a really difficult call.

      gretchen.oswald.3 - 2012-10-21 17:14

      I suppose people with a mind set like yourself would like to see our country go to Mugabe? Viva to an even greater economy!

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-10-21 17:20

      ..which might be better than you lot handing it to China.

      rontheogre - 2012-10-21 17:31

      The urban legend of the "Wit Gevaar" is alive! How can the "white minority" give it to the British if they themselves fought against British rule and do not wish to have any other leader than a competent South African. Us whities learn from our mistakes. The black majority, be they ANC or DA will not allow it in any case nor will the rest of the world allow us to fall back to the previous political system. I would like to think that a large portion of the voters might be uneducated, but not criminally stupid.

      Zahir - 2012-10-21 17:33

      Anc relies on brainwashed fools to stay in power keep on going to anc fools paradise

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-10-21 17:47

      This is typical propaganda. Ppl like sakhile, rotand the lIkes are just here to write one comment like this and to stirr the pot.

      altusvanzyl - 2012-10-21 17:55

      Dude. The british killed us afrikaners by the thousands. Yes we know what it feels like to be opressed!

      gert.dupreez - 2012-10-21 17:58

      Sakhile there is nothing to give to anyone. This is all of our country. Get over your racist ANC thinking. There is only one evil from the colonial/apartheid eara left, that is the ANC. Vote them out and start fresh. Let the history be just that, history. Live for the better live for tomorrow. Open your mind.

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-21 18:13

      @sakhile.gamede. "Give it back to the British", According to popular belief the white minority stole it from you, not ??. This news report was directed at the horse, not the scab on it's @rse.

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-21 22:02

      My ancestors (Scots Irish and Cockney) left Britain to get away from the Government, stratified social order and to improve their lot in life, why in f**ks name would my childrens generation want to go back to that nonsense. You are stupid beyond understanding.

      gerrit.vanpletzen - 2012-10-22 06:41

      It's now in the hands of MORONITY!

      mullerier - 2012-10-22 07:38

      Sakhile, SA is the only country in the world where the majority (in all it´s diverse colour and culture) supports affirmative action. To me, this speaks of a willingness to share and work together. Incidentally, only 9% of this country contribute to the economy in ways that can be considered "productive" (with other words, this group excludes those who destroy existing infrastructure and do not resort to breaking this country down", why would a 9% with this level of tolerance and work ethic need to give this country to the British?? This may surprise you...but there are people in this country that love this country and it´s people (regardless of colour and culture). That is why we are still here.....and we did not leave to become bankers and lawyers in London. We are more than capable of building and managing our own country TOGETHER WITH our fellow South Africans....granted, it is tough at times....but we are South Africans and we choose to remain so.

      derek.hebbert - 2012-10-22 12:57


      jason.marshall.1804 - 2012-10-22 21:19

      "The blody British" Can you tell me who said that? I think you should move to Zimbabwe to wake up!

      darryl.maze.5 - 2012-10-23 10:29

      Go back to the hill top where you came from. We don't need brainless comments from you.

      colin.langley - 2012-10-23 13:35

      Total retard

      roxy.mcwilliams - 2012-10-23 14:27

      the british have their own issues and are not plotting to take over SA. there are no minorities in SA anymore, we are all South Africans. the DA serves everyone and thats why the hippies vote for them.

  • cyrreal - 2012-10-21 12:33

    And we all quietly forget how close the ANC was to Gaddafi...At least the DA is not cosying up to murderous regimes.

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-21 18:40

      And we all saw what happened to Gadaffi...........

      lownabester - 2012-10-21 19:46

      And may we wish the same happen to the ANC!!!!

      sachasea - 2012-10-22 10:14

      Going by the amount of thumbs down, which I received for that comment it seems you aren't the only one in denial. Easy to thumbs down, not quite as easy to refute.

      ed.gutsche - 2012-10-22 13:09

      sasha...dude, i agree! remember that since the phoenicians, greeks, romans, dutch, portuguese, belgian (the worst), british, american and now chinese, there has been history of complicity. at one stage even SA was included in the 'murderous regime' category. how easy we all forget though, which is why knowledge of history is so crucial for it teaches us to never forget the lessons that repeated history can teach us. as for the brits, they were definitely NOT saints. just look at cecil john rhodes himself, the closet gay guy, and how he created his own personal fiefdom in southern africa by destroying all his business associates before he ruthlessly lied, cheated and destroyed the matabele in what becamse rhodesia. the brits themselves did not believe in ending slavery, but had to be forced to do so and even then, on the day of the poll, it was only because the anti-slavery groups mobilised more voters that they won in the end. it was NOT because the brits, as a nation, were anti-slavery...anyway, either which way i agree with you and can certainly say that the DA is NOT a saintly party. ed

      sachasea - 2012-10-22 14:04

      Exactly Ed. I'm half British and half South African and I'm still not afraid to give criticism where it's due. I see the good and bad in everything. Not a fan of cherry picking or political spin.

      gail.hayesbean - 2012-10-22 18:32

      Iowna - it's obvious that JZ believes that this is about to hapen. Why else would he be copying Gaddafi and building bunkers and tunnels in Nkandla unless he was making a bolthole from someone. He might find though that it's the Chinese that he has to bolt from in the long run.

  • themba.mabona.33 - 2012-10-21 13:14

    british colonilist will alway undermine black leaders. Obama. Zuma. But the somer the Anc reinstate Malema the more the Anc will be stronger.this is the price the Anc will pay for comprimising what rightfully belong to us.. Black SA are afraid of hanger thats why they don.t want to impliment Total freedom. Example Zimbabwe

      matthew.ovendale.3 - 2012-10-21 16:59

      gosh. i see an education is in need.

      george.slade.161 - 2012-10-21 17:10

      THemba ----English not great but Logic even worse . Try School for a while !

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-21 17:14

      themba.mabona.33. "british colonilist" ?? I'm afraid you are speaking through your colon.

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-10-21 17:28

      @themba You should ask some of the Zimbabwe refugees in SA about their freedom

      rontheogre - 2012-10-21 17:33

      Matthew, it might even get rid of that huge chip on his shoulder, but I won't hold my breath.

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-21 22:08

      OBE education failed, what a statement for your CV. If Zimbabwe is what you aspire to I have family there who will put you up just remember to take enough clean water with you and food and some US dollars (for bribes), and ask a friend to video your favourite TV prgrammes whilst you are away as you cannot watch TV when the electricity is off as it often is in Zimbabwe. As the french say Adieu

      gerrit.vanpletzen - 2012-10-22 06:43

      One has to look no futher than the drivel you spew to realise how brain dead you already are.

      art5SA - 2012-10-22 09:35

      Britain undemining OBAMA?? You are one SERIOUSLY STUPID DUDE!!! LMWAO!!!!!!!!

      derek.hebbert - 2012-10-22 13:08

      the ANC will rule till Jesus comes (and he aint coming in case you hadn't noticed). As long as there is a black majority in this country they will continue to vote ANC no matter how much their "BIG MEN" rip them off and lie to them. It's the African culture to respect the "BIG MEN" no matter how corrupt and useless they are. So folks get ready for a worthless Rand which will eventually be replaced by the Yen after the inevitable collapse. The only surprise here is that its happening sooner than anticipated.

      hein.huyser - 2012-10-22 21:10

      Temba, if zim was the perfect example of total freedom, why are 80% of their population here? Come on, please do tell!! Me thinks racism makes one stupidh,

      colin.langley - 2012-10-23 13:39

      Hey Themba. Why you use the words British Colonialists? Where did your struggle hero's flee to when the NP wanted to imprison them? Which country took them in and gave them the opportunity to attend prestigious universities? Who helped to bring an end to apartheid? Yup..the same British Colonialists you are talking about. You have the nerve to bite the hand that fed you. Bloody agent hypocrite!

      ryan.gatley - 2012-10-23 13:54

      @derek.hebbert, don't you mean Yuan? Themba, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

  • abner.malema - 2012-10-21 13:28

    I never trusted DA. Those blacks who support it is like the apartheid blacks who were bought to kill their brothers and sisters(askaris) to keep apartheid alive. If you don't like ANC they are a lot of parties in SA

      spartanx93 - 2012-10-21 16:50

      You don't even trust yourself.....

      rontheogre - 2012-10-21 17:47

      And you trust the ANC?? After all the broken promises, lies, scandals, tenders, self enrichment and fraud? I agree that there are many other parties out there, so support them. In the areas where the DA was trusted to improve the future, they have. Yes, there were glitches, but in the whole, rand for rand allocated to and spent in the DA run areas, they have a much better track record than any other party in SA. Not my conclusion, but results posted by the Auditor General, an ANC government entity. Just as an example, the Toilet saga. These structures that the DA had to erect as per a court order were completed many months before those that the ANC only completed 2 weeks ago.

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-10-21 17:51

      Abner I don't trust the anc. To quote in the same line like u: they are like the apartheid and Nazi gov but with the intelligence of a wood stick.

      jackal.tshikosi - 2012-10-21 18:40

      Abner your assumption is a bit too simplistic. I have voted for the DA and trust me I am not a sell out or a house slave if I may say. The ANC has sold out black folks finish and klaar. The ANC and the DA are both useless. But if I had a choice between the two, I will take DA any day. The ANC can't even make it compulsory for white kids to learn a black African language. Where the DA is useless is that they don't capitalise on the ANC's lack of action regarding such matters. Athol Trollip of the DA is fluent in Xhosa he should be driving that call to make it compulsory for all kids regardless of race to learn at black African languages at school. Your beloved ANC is actually pampering white people. Hellen Zille has been outstanding but her and the DA can still do much more. Brett Kebble look at how he corrupted gullible ANCYL members? You see where I am going with this? So maybe those are the sell outs or as they like to say in ANC circles anti revolutionaries.

      art5SA - 2012-10-21 21:15

      No PARTY bigger than the ON GOING ANC PARTY.... where Johnny Walker Blue flows like water.... But the ad for Johnny Walker also makes perfect sence... "KEEP WALKING... COMRADE"

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-21 22:10

      Yes and they are full of even less competent idiots that abound in the ANC.

      gerrit.vanpletzen - 2012-10-22 06:44

      Just another JACK!

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-22 13:42

      @Gerrit. I'm taking the liberty to finish your sentence "JACK" ..... ASS.

      colin.langley - 2012-10-23 13:40


  • amakgalemela - 2012-10-21 13:36

    If she indeed indicated that investments must be channeled to the WP, I see nothing wrong with her being spied upon. At government level, we cant have selfish party interests, as opposed to the interests of everyone in the country. Blasphemous, I say!

      lownabester - 2012-10-21 19:47

      amakgalemela, you are so stupid, but I guess you know that by now.

      kaven.huang.50 - 2012-10-21 21:16

      hay boet, selfish is not supposed to be used in this context. Using South Africans' TAX to build a "quarter of a billion" hometown for the president which will benefit NO ONE except the himself and a few people within. Rather than using the money for everything else that this broken down country needs! Almost EVERYTHING is lacking in this country! We don't even know our own laws to begin with! IF we did then we would know how to defend ourselves against incompetent political parties which holds idiotic people that have so sense of shame. Selfish you say???? use another word then we all might come to an agreement

      art5SA - 2012-10-21 21:16

      What about CHANCELLOR HOUSE'S connection the the ANC??? Who's investments are we talking about...@ amakgalemela?????

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-21 22:12

      She is Premier of the Western Cape fool why should she do work for the useless incompetent cadres in the ANC controlled provinces, unpaid nogal?

      liveby.thesword.1 - 2012-10-21 22:25

      @amakgalamela. "we cant have selfish party interests"....what exactly is nkandla...??please go back to school..

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-10-22 12:57

      If you cannot see anything wrong with the ANC government using state funds and organisations to spy on an opposition party, then I suggest you do not understand democracy. Which is fine, because the ANC does not understand it either. I suggest you read up on the Watergate scandal in America - where a president was fired because of doing exactly that. I have just as big a problem with the blatant use of the police and courts to prosecute Malema - not because he is not guilty, but because the timing is suspicious. It smacks of using the suposedly independent judiciary to muzzle political opponents - something Zuma used to get off scott-free in his corruption trial. And finally - asking Britain to ensure 10% of the investment comes to the WC when there are 9 provinces, and the WC is the second biggest in terms of GDP is quite generous of her...

      khwibi.s.aphane - 2012-10-22 15:39

      Let me hear u crusify me. Zuma is wrong but that doesnt mean madam Zille should make such request. Mangaung cannot come sooner so that we can forget about the Nkandla Machine. Dabates on this platform would be factual and not emotional.

  • masinasibusiso - 2012-10-21 13:42

    We all know that britain has alot invested in SA

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-10-21 17:21

      Would you prefer them to take it all and leave?

      art5SA - 2012-10-21 21:17

      Yep... the British have BILLIONS invested... thus EMPLOYING MILLIONS of SAFFA'S too...

      gerrit.vanpletzen - 2012-10-22 06:50


  • abner.malema - 2012-10-21 13:44

    You are stupid. Let me tell before 1994 all whites were given properties for free. Politicians took a lot now they are owners. The same white people are telling you you're black politians are corrupt, they don't have experience as if they are born with experince

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-21 16:44

      OMG Abner! I feel such absolute pity for your stupidity and ignorance. Didn't your parents even try and help you?

      surfing.sam.9 - 2012-10-21 16:44

      Lololololololololol, please show me to that property I got for free, they must have missed me somehow. DUMB IDIOT

      maureen.walton1 - 2012-10-21 16:47

      What a load of rubbish. I don't know any whites who was given properties for free. I certainly was given anything. Go check your facts before you write nonsence like this. - 2012-10-21 16:53

      oh my word idiot. prior to 1994 we worked our asses off for what we have. The only difference now is, we still work our asses off, but to look after the majority cause all they do is breed and don't care where the food will come from to feed the babies.

      Jillian Viviers Arnold - 2012-10-21 16:54

      I cannot believe you even know how to work a PC. Idiot. I don't own land and never have!!!! This is exactly what the ANC are telling their supporters to keep the focus off their corrupt ways!!!

      matthew.ovendale.3 - 2012-10-21 17:07

      And that is what your leaders will tell you and you will believe this because your leaders have not educated you, so it is far easier to steal from you. the past was bad, very bad. let us not repeat it. Let us acknowledge injustices of the past for what they were but please dont fall into the trap that misguided vengeance and greed will make everything right. It won't. Think, act and work towards a future that is sustainable for all.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-21 17:08

      Abner, do the world a favour and commit suicide. Actually, you'll be doing yourself a favour too and one more thing, please don't breed. One of you is more than enough.

      george.slade.161 - 2012-10-21 17:13

      Thanks Abner --I never knew this --always wondered where my 5 bedrooms and pool came from : Those who were not sure that man evolved from Apes now have proof ! Abner has reversed the process .

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-21 17:15

      @abner.malema. Where was I when the lights went out ??

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-10-21 17:21

      Given? You are a barefaced liar.

      John - 2012-10-21 17:22

      You are nuts!! Never has ANY government given anyone white property for free. I so wish that I in the last 60 years was given a property. I always had to PAY!!! PAY!!! PAY!!! and still have to pay!!!

      Zahir - 2012-10-21 17:27

      U need to go back to school u missed some grades your comment is a joke

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-10-21 17:33

      @Abner you must have been at the same meeting where some of my black friends were told that after 1994 they could also get credit cards like the whites and that they could get everything for free and not have to pay anything back

      rontheogre - 2012-10-21 17:54

      I will go to the registrar of properties tomorrow to check up and claim the free properties given to us that we do not even know of. Thank you for the heads up, Abner. I can now also claim to be a previously disadvantaged citizen as neither I nor any of my family were notified by the apartheid government that we actually own property we did not pay for. Who knows, Abner, you might be sitting in my lounge watching TV?

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-10-21 17:58

      Abner. Why were there banking corporations in S.A. during the apartheid??? Perhaps it was to give bonds for houses. U are perfect example why the anc lobes to keep your kind illiterate. So they can buy your rubbish.

      gert.dupreez - 2012-10-21 18:04

      MAre you realy so stupid or was it bad or no education? Where is my property? Dont talk rubbish. Forget the past Live the future. Get an education.

      shaun.hillary - 2012-10-21 18:07

      Come again? Free house? From where? You sir, are a blind fool.

      lownabester - 2012-10-21 19:50

      Are there still people like you roaming this country, Get out!!!

      tasmee.hylkema - 2012-10-21 20:31

      you abner, are the embodiment of the typical ANC member, who is too lazy to go out there are research your facts, because it is easier to be emotionally stirred by your lying thieving corrupt party. It is uneducated people like you that are the reason why SA is one of the fastest downward spirals. Maybe you should actually study and educate yourself, then you wont be made to be a fool in front of so many.

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-21 22:19

      Abner you're from Limpopo, which explains a lot. Some of us had books at school which with the help of a teacher were used to educate us. Go and find an adult education centre and see if they can help you make up for all the wasted time you spent visiting the building they called a school in Limpopo.

      liveby.thesword.1 - 2012-10-21 22:29 one is given anything in this world for free....what planet you live on......if you want something...go and WORK for it bitch!

      John - 2012-10-21 22:48

      Maybe I'm not as white as I thought because I never got a house- I had to bleed for every last cent I earned! And still, when I checked in the mirror, my @ss is really lily-white....I feel cheated!!! :)

      warren.deeves - 2012-10-21 22:55

      Hahahahaha!! Just when I thought an ANC supporter couldn't say anything more stupid, abner goes and opens his trap! It never ceases to amaze me how dumb some people are. People like abner should be put down, because they're wasting oxygen!

      stephanie.sutherland41 - 2012-10-21 23:39

      Abner, if that was the case then i must have lived in a rented house we should have owned. I need to tell my mom to go ask the goverment what happened to her free house. Who tells you this crap. If you want proof to the opposite i am quite willing to provide it for you. Can't believe you can be that ignorant and stupid to believe this crap.

      gerrit.vanpletzen - 2012-10-22 06:51

      There's no medicine for stupid, Li'l abner. I give up.

      croix.mactee - 2012-10-22 06:52

      @abner.malema God help us! These creatures walk among us every day. You sir, are CRIMINALLY STUPID! Does it run in the family?

      mullerier - 2012-10-22 07:47

      I am going to have to put in a "land claim"...I never received a house??? Talking of being "left out"??

      susan.pretorius.31 - 2012-10-22 09:03

      Your surname explains everything...

      joe.muhr.14 - 2012-10-22 14:23

      Don't feed the troll.

      dave.johnston.52459 - 2012-10-22 18:52

      Oh come on..really really? You must be joking ne'. I can't believe for one single moment that you actually believe white people were given property for free. Nobody is that stupid, or am I fooling myself believing that nobody can be that stupid?

      hein.huyser - 2012-10-22 21:23

      Abner, where is my property? Not got anything for free from any gov. Do you really believe these lies? Maybe you do, thst's why you guys make such stupid demands and acusations. Goodness me, and to think you have internet and still you don't use it to educate yourself.

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-10-23 11:03

      Abner - I know of not a single White person who was given a property for free. However, I know of millions of Black people who were given an RDP house - for free!

      aspruyt - 2012-10-23 12:11

      Brain dead and beyond help! Where is my free pre 94 property? I'll come collect it from you then as you made the claim. Self entitled lazy good for nothing oxygen thief!

  • Khetha Hlophe - 2012-10-21 14:22

    I am not suprised,

      surfing.sam.9 - 2012-10-21 18:44

      Me neither, they are the only party who gives a damn about the country.

      hein.huyser - 2012-10-22 21:32

      No good trustworthy parties or governments on this continent to partner with. Then I suppose its them or the Chinese.

  • evans.s.mazi - 2012-10-21 14:46

    Balderdash.These spooks are spooked.What sort of spooks leak about what they are doing unless they must has asked them to cause mischief.There's nothing wrong if true what the DA is doing.There is nothing wrong about working to bring investment to your state. This is just put out here to cause some sort of distraction from the Nkandla issue.This so called spies should be ashamed of themselves.We all know they are nothing better than ANC tools. Why are these so called spies involving themselves in politics? The DA should press a charge or go to court on this issue.The ANC is running scared, as they see the DA doing well in the province it runs and also making inroads. I am not given to hyperbole, but you would think these words would fit exactly with Mugabe when MDC started threatening his hold on power. The DA and its leader have a right to meet foreigners and campaign for investment in the Western Cape.It's legal. Britain is not a ANC or South African enemy and fun enough it hosted most of the ANC exiles during apartheid.Is 22 years long enough to forget for this people who sought refugee in Britain and were looked after by British people's taxes.

      mullerier - 2012-10-22 08:01

      Thank you Evans, people like you is what keeps people like me not packing for Australia!! Always a relief to hear a voice in the darkness of despair. Come to think of it, I should have accepted the job offers in London, in the early 1990´s...maybe that is why Jonny Oates did...we may have been better positioned to support this country we all love!! Should have done what the ANC exiles from a nice flat in London and then return when this country is nice and stable again.....and ready to welcome home those of us, actually wanting this country WITH ALL IT`S DIVERSITY OF COLOUR AND CULTURE to succeed!!

  • evans.s.mazi - 2012-10-21 14:59

    Ryan Coetzee was one of the key figures behind the success of South Africa's Democratic Alliance party. Nick Glegg hired him on that, EXPERIENCE and ACHIEVEMENT.I know the ANC doesn't believe in the two when deploying its cadres.Coetzee is well known to Jonny Oates, Clegg's chief of staff, who used to live in South Africa. I suppose the so called spooks haven't made that connection yet.Whoever is pushing these nit-wits of so called spies, is barking at the wrong tree and is just bent on causing mischief. Zille should make sure to always sweep her mobile, office phone and home phone for spying bugs.The ANC is becoming reckless and paranoid.The DA should now resort to the old school letters and stop using mobile phones and email.The ANC and its 'bloody agents' are getting mental.

  • gmmotong - 2012-10-21 15:04

    Haaaa haaaa haaaa let the party fights begin, I do not care who wins all parties are the same in this country, they are political parties of the stomach and their famalies and relatives, so why bother while after so many years citizens of this country are still suffering while they have voted for a government thinking will do better for their lifes but in stead for certain individuals to benefit alone. Please go to a place called Madidi village in Madibeng municipality North West province, and then look at the conditions there of services starting with roads, schools and clinics, there is nothing government is doing there we are in darkness but we have a party we voted for to help us.So what?

      matthew.ovendale.3 - 2012-10-21 17:26

      do you understand how democracy works? if not i see that you have a connection to the internet so treat yourself and do a bit of research. Here is a snippet for you. If you vote for a political party you are voting in order to secure your interests. ie infrastructure, education, safety ect ect... If this political party does not provide you with the basic needs that they promised you, vote for another political party that you can see will provide you with what it is that you so desperately need. So who is in power in south africa? ANC, are they providing south african citizens with their basic needs? No, ok then now what province is really providing for its people as best it can? The western cape. Why? Its people voted for the DA and the DA is proving that it can deliver on its promises. So you think, you see that there is a better option to the ANC and then come election time you use that knowledge and you vote DA. And then you work very hard with the rest of your countrymen and make the whole country better. Or you just don't vote, remain in the same town with no job, no education, no food and no help from the government and complain how nothing works and there is nothing you can do about it. pretty cool ha!

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-21 22:22

      They must have given you electricity!

  • sipho.kunene.716 - 2012-10-21 15:58

    Black people please stop defending the undefendable like the corrupt anc and its leaders otherwise we risk losing the tiny respect that other races still have for us. The perception out there is that we are idiots with blind loyalty to a party that only give us grief. The dire state our country finds itself in goes beyond color line bashing but requires us as a majority race to wear our thinking caps and do the right and vote out anc in 2014. Lets do this to save our beloved country otherwise will find ourselves in a Zimbabwe type situation and will have no one to blame but ourselves. Only a child that does not see this that we heading straight that disastrous situation if we give anc another term in office.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-21 16:45

      Well said Sipho. So glad there's someone that can think.

      Peter - 2012-10-21 17:43

      Dude its always about race the DA got are white leader and the anc got are black leader which w\r\ne all know that they will never be are white person running an african country

      Bruce - 2012-10-21 17:47

      There first needs to be a credible opposition to the anc, not the da and the likes of cope...SA needs an opposition that will truly represent the interest of the community at large and not be perceived as being elitist like the da..the da doesn't speak to or of the lay man on the street, its for the snooty nosed middle class..the majority of the country can not relate with these people...well, the anc maybe corrupt, greedy and inefficient but its the only hope the poor have, even if this hope is misplaced.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-10-22 09:25

      @Bruce, you dreaming. There will and can never be a party that will come and contest the ANC or DA - Cops tried, but it failed in a matter of months.

      masamune.azeem - 2012-10-22 09:42

      lol why did poor somikazi.pita get so many thumbs down,fact is she speaks the truth. Yes the ANC is corrupt but honestly do white people expect the black people to vote for the DA, do not be delusional.After something like apartheid,lol that's never gonna happen.White people accept that what you guys did, well came back to bite you on you asses. Fact is black people hate and fear the thought of a white man ruling them, i dont blame them do you?

      rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-10-22 14:34

      @ masamune and others who fear white rule through the da or any other party.... Your reference to being ruled UNDERLINES the problem in your thinking. RULING is what kings (or queens) do in monarchies. In democracies the majority party does NOT rule, it administers. Invoking highly emotive terms including RULE serves only to inflame fears of domination (whatever race, group, culture or colour is involved). So let's vote for EFFECTIVE ADMINISTRATION, and right now you get one guess as to which party that is!

      hein.huyser - 2012-10-22 21:42

      @masamune. Democracy still escapes you and the average voter in this country. Sad, Sad, Sad

  • JackTrend - 2012-10-21 16:42

    goodness, they can come up with the most stupid crap.

  • Sammy Willow - 2012-10-21 16:44

    anyway to get rid of the anc go Helen

  • FUNKMASTERFLEX.AKA.BAIN - 2012-10-21 16:46

    where did Mbeki go in exhile during apartheid? where was there a strong anti-apartheid base? If the ANC were not doing such a bad job in running the country ,they would not really care on whether the DA has so called strong ties with Britian .gosh we have clowns running this country.Competent people of all races stand up and fight

      ingrid.webbe - 2012-10-23 19:25

      Too true Funkmaster - all the exiles were in England, being educated at universities and were considered holy martyrs by the West. Everything white and South African was dung. The Brits were slapping sanctions on SA and insisting on regime change and now that SA is imploding under a corrupt, useless, inexperienced and uncaring government, the ANC hate Britain and their western "imperialism" and even imagine that they're plotting with Helen Zille. Kind of divine justice, in a way but the bumbling Brits will still keep on supporting the ANC their rotten governance cause they can't bear to admit they were wrong!

  • vaaldonkie.visagie - 2012-10-21 16:46

    The Soviets also saw capitalists behind every bush.

  • thabo.mkokeli - 2012-10-21 16:50

    chiken cANCer,propaganding.

  • - 2012-10-21 16:50

    Being tjommies with the DA is far safer than being tjommies with that lunatic next door.

  • - 2012-10-21 16:53

    So Julius is allowed to spew effluent in Zimbabwe which inevitably contributes to the downfall of the SA economy but Helen isn't allowed to do something constructive - my word, the woman is a forward thinking leader!

  • peter.mansfield.395 - 2012-10-21 16:54


  • leon.vanderlinde.14 - 2012-10-21 16:56

    Standard procedure in the former USSR, East Bloc countries and Cuba. Guess where the ANC got their training. The USSR, East Bloc countries and Cuba. It is standard for a government who reigns through terror and dictatorship to keep looking behind every door and nook and cranny. They will always be suspicious. They cannot even walk down the street without half the army protecting them. Zuma needs a stronhold for when "his inside buddies" take over the reigns. Same as with Mugabe. It fits.

  • louiseroger.higham - 2012-10-21 16:57

    What rubbish, the ANC is sick.

  • Bruce - 2012-10-21 16:57

    The anc has lost all touch with reality, I hate to admit it but the evidence lays bare like a nudist, our leaders are so dumb its scary.

  • joe.whiteman.9 - 2012-10-21 16:59

    Abner Malema is a prize chop !!!!!

  • catherine.l.vanzyl - 2012-10-21 17:07

    THULI MONDOSELA HELP start a support group for the PUBLIC PROTECTOR through all media links, lets show we have the PUBLIC PROTECTOR to protect us and put all money FOOL money munches in the eyes. If FOOLS munch our money the PUBLIC PROTECTOR will put you in the eyes and let the law runs it course. Let’s make it really difficult FOR FOOLS to munch our MONEY...SUPPORT THE PUBLIC PROTECTOR...lets ELEVATE THE OFFICE THROUGH OUR VOICES....let give the FOOLS stick, the FOOLS who are giving us a thieving beating. LET STICK IT BACK TO THEM THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROTECT SUPPORT OUR PUBLIC PROTECTOR; let the public protector know we support her and her team! Email/twitter/facebook let the present government hear loud and clear we will NOT stand for this daylight robbery no more…FULL STOP

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-10-21 17:43

      Thguli for President

  • philip.vde - 2012-10-21 17:08

    I'm worried about the close relationship between the ANC and China ...

  • smallies - 2012-10-21 17:08

    moenie worry nie DA die nuwe en anc verbeterde spyshop van suid afrika kan nie eers hulle eie agter ente kry nie, wat nog te praat van spy nie

  • craig.lott.589 - 2012-10-21 17:09

    You see, this is how it works. A politician, is elected by the people to work and represent the people. Now Zille was elected, and is working to ensure that her electorate in the western cape, have work, foreign investment and decent services. ANC politicians on the other hand, are elected by the people, to enrich themselves, promote exploitation by China, and have successfully destroyed 80% of the municipalities in the country and thereby all the services. So what is the response, I think we better spy on them!!!!! what a bunch of poephols!!

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-21 18:46

      Yes spy on Zille Then they will learn how to run their municipalities properly. Pick up on good governance maybe.

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-23 06:20

      Now vote again please. WC independance? Up is yes Down Is no

  • herbert.plessis - 2012-10-21 17:15

    What is wrong with a cordial, or even friendly relationship between a provincial premier and a foreign nation? If this was such a problem, why does the ANC allow foreign investment from Britain? And by the by, is this the same State Security Agency that leaked the Zuma tapes? The same ones that cannot keep tabs on civil unrest and the influx of foreign criminals?

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-23 06:28

      Lets change that to a cordial relationship with the western cape .The money will be properly spent.

  • ttivana - 2012-10-21 17:16

    why nt 2014

  • parys.fotograaf - 2012-10-21 17:16

    Perhaps the ANC is scared that the British, for once, will make a better decision on who to support.

  • luytster - 2012-10-21 17:16

    Geez, they going to have to take quiet a few spooks off the drug smuggling Posse to do this.

      croix.mactee - 2012-10-22 07:10

      So most probably drug smuggling will go DOWN? Isn't Cwele's wife in jail for 'drug-smuggling? - Haaaahahahaha!

  • terry.burne - 2012-10-21 17:24

    It is the Zanufication of the ANC - they are trying to paint the DA as wanting to re-colonise South Africa through using the British Government. Just like Mad Bob next door, they will try and paint the DA and Britian as allies and the 'enemy of South Africa'. So patently see through it is almost laughable - except their followers are stupid enough to believe this lie!

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-21 18:50

      If I was the ANC and drowning I also would grab at anything to save my skin.

  • neilpretorius83 - 2012-10-21 17:26

    I'm down with the Brits, no problem. What I'm concerned over is the suspiciously cozy relationship between the ANC and ZANU-PF, which has already created the wasteland that is Zimpopo. Basically, agents > tyrants.

  • Mary Milne Archibald - 2012-10-21 17:33

    Taking a page out of Robert Mugabe's hand book. The ANC should look for the rot from within their own party.

  • charmaine.paterson1 - 2012-10-21 17:37

    The problem is caused by the ignorance of many anc leaders and the fact that they believe everyone else in this country is as ignorant as they are. Your electorate are not as dumb as you would like to think, zuma and co. The majority of white people voted in a referendum to end apartheid and just want a fair and educated, honest leader.

      Paul - 2012-10-21 17:43

      Ur vote didn't mean anything beliv me,u guys didn't hav any choice chief

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-10-21 17:40

    Method to their madness, now a huge conspiracy linking the DA and britain......the ANC want to frighten their supporters so that they dont vote DA. They will tell them the bogey white people will chain them up again. Want to be. Never mind that the ANC cuddles up with China and runs to Zimbabwe for advice. I think at the moment the ANC know they are in trouble so are running scaread so they making up this conspiracy. The ANC reads like an open book even grade r children can see through them.

  • Alien42063 - 2012-10-21 17:40

    I hope she is making initial arrangements with Britain to support making the Western Cape a separate state. Would be the most prosperous country in Africa lol ;P

      Onke.Dali - 2012-10-21 19:11

      Pipe dream!

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-22 19:01

      Lets vote again UDI for WC Up for yes Down for no

  • catherine.l.vanzyl - 2012-10-21 17:42

    WE don’t have a reliable government we only have a reliable PUBLIC PROTECTOR our new FUTURE government SUPPORT now our new government the PUBLIC PROTECTOR THULI MANDOSELA FOR PRESIDENT…VOTE HER IN AT MANGUANG!!!

      hein.huyser - 2012-10-22 21:48

      She's not on the voting roll. It's zoomer or snake eyes. Simple choices, but with anyone of these two we are snookered. 2014 will be general election time, may we hang on till then!

  • warren.carne.9 - 2012-10-21 17:42

    Who cares if Zille is trying to get investment for the Western Cape,Gauteng premier should be doing the same instead of self enrichment bulls$%t projects like the toll gates,viva Amabritish

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-10-21 17:50

      Sorry Warren the Gauteng premier and cronies have done this for themselves through the secretive e tolling project

  • shaheen.moolla - 2012-10-21 17:43

    This is an indication of how completely the ANC has lost the plot. They have zero ability to fix SA's problems. The only analysis they are capable of is stuff that makes a failed state. But this must not surprise us. Remember their current intellectual capacity is defined (at least by those who have an education beyond matric) by training they have had under the KGB and in Soviet institutions and the Stasi and East German institutions. And neither state exists today of course. They have no understanding how a modern capitalist economy is supposed to work or understand why we need constructive relations with progressive and successful states instead of backing other failed states such as North Korea, Burma under the Junta, Iran, Syria and Cuba.

  • sintjohn.witbooi - 2012-10-21 17:48

    Do not be side-tracked by a political side show. Let's rather create and investor friendly South Africa, and fix the education system.

  • nino.diana.12 - 2012-10-21 17:48

    Sometimes late at night, when I'm bathed in the fire light ..... The moon comes shining a ghostly white and I recall ....... That the ANC has now run RSA for 18 years and really has done very little for the masses,can't even get their supporters to arrive on time in KZN .... Why? No free t- shirts, soccer balls, food ..... Maybe let them all take a shower in the hotel you're building for yourself SIR

      kenneth.hlabane.5 - 2012-10-21 18:46

      What has NP

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-21 18:54

      @kenneth.hlabane.5. "What has NP ..... ?? Fall of your branch there while silently shouting Amandla ??. Goffel

  • sello.r.molefe - 2012-10-21 17:49

    Poverty and unemployment should be your concern..

  • catgirl1971 - 2012-10-21 17:50

    Tsk tsk ANC! I'll happily sing 'God Save the Queen' if it means getting rid of the cANCer that's ruining my beautiful country!