ANC gets ready for policy brainstorm

2012-06-21 15:43

Johannesburg - The ANC's most important policy brainstorm - held every five years - is set to get underway in Midrand on Tuesday.

At the event, no fewer than 13 policy documents will be discussed over four days, ahead of the African National Congress's national conference in December.

About 3 554 delegates will attend the policy conference.

They will review the ANC's policies, the progress it has made in reaching its strategic objectives, and the state of the organisation.

The policy conference at Gallagher Estate is being held in the ANC's centenary year, and after almost 19 years in power.

Economic freedom

On the release of the policy documents in March, Jeff Radebe, head of the ANC national executive committee policy subcommittee, said: "The ANC‘s policy conference in June will take place within a paradigm shift in the approach of the ANC towards the economic development of our country."

In his January 8 statement, ANC president Jacob Zuma said: "Political emancipation without economic transformation is meaningless, that is why we have to commit ourselves to economic freedom in our lifetime."

This thinking is developed in a key document up for discussion: "The Second Transition: Building a national democratic society and the balance of forces in 2012".

Also known as the strategy and tactics paper, it suggests that the ANC has concluded its first transition into democracy, which focused mainly on political emancipation.

The party should now enter its second transition, focusing on the social and economic transformation of South Africa over the next 30 to 50 years.

"Our first transition embodied a framework and a national consensus that may have been appropriate for political emancipation, a political transition, but has proven inadequate and inappropriate for our social and economic transformation phase," Radebe said at the launch.


The document also proposes that the ANC undergo a 10-year programme of organisational renewal "that consolidates and expands the character and values of the ANC as a revolutionary people’s movement whilst building its capabilities and its capacity for innovation and renewal".

The other documents outline policy proposals for social transformation, state intervention in the minerals sector, economic transformation and gender.

Also on the agenda are papers on peace and stability, education and health, communications, legislature and governance, international relations and land reform.

Radebe said there would be "no holy cows" when it came to discussing the policies.

The ANC's constitution requires that a policy conference be held at least six months before its national conference, to review ANC policies and recommend amendments or new policies.

The policy decisions made at the policy conference will then be discussed and finalised at the 53rd ANC national conference in Mangaung, Free State, in December.

These policies would form the basis for the ANC government's policies, new laws or amended laws.

  • Kala - 2012-06-21 15:46

    An ANC brain storm!!!! Bwahahahahahahaha. You firstly need a brain to storm with.

      Bryan - 2012-06-21 15:52

      Exactly!! ANC and Brain do not belong in the same sentence!!

      Rendani Munzhelele - 2012-06-21 15:54

      true that, and Zooma has proved that having a large head nt always means brainy!!

      fussed.anderson - 2012-06-21 16:08

      I thought they said rain so there will be a drought

      anthonycharles.williams - 2012-06-21 16:09

      so that,s why they fail in governing...

      Joubs1957 - 2012-06-21 16:41

      @ John - Do you smoke your Post Toasties in the morning???? - 2012-06-21 16:46

      Absolutely! This is a no brainer.

      Gerald - 2012-06-21 16:49

      @ John do you only have 1 thing to say to everything. Looks like you cut and paste the same pile of crap over and over on these forums. It is not about black vs white, it is about dumb following dumb and getting dumber

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-21 16:51

      @John - sanctimonious Bollocks. Substitute the words 'White Privilege' with 'White Achievement'; 'Progress'; 'perseverance' etc etc, this might get your brain untwisted and allow for some intelligent thought.

      Press - 2012-06-21 17:22

      A "barn storm" would be a more appropriate metaphore for the spaces that mostly exist up there . . .

      Glyn - 2012-06-21 17:22

      @John - What "white privilage"? You cannot answer that can you? Been smoking the weed?

      Glyn - 2012-06-21 17:23

      @John - What "white privilege"? You cannot answer that can you? Been smoking the weed?

      faizieishlah.shabalala - 2012-06-21 17:39

      Its a Spear not a Brain

      oscar.vanriel - 2012-06-21 18:05

      It is going to be a very lite storm...more like a drizzle.

  • charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-06-21 15:51

    If the ANC invited some DA brains to their party, they might able to come away with some clever policies.

      Kirsten - 2012-06-21 16:44

      As a supporter of equal opportunity; Charles, if you're going to use the DA in a status- referring to them as "clever" but not stating "how" against someone with an intellect like Craigs- well- it only does the DA harm.

  • gaff.harrison - 2012-06-21 15:53

    Now that's a contradiction in terms if ever I heard one! Hahahaha! ANC and brain in the same sentence!

      Kirsten - 2012-06-21 16:47

      I think all SAfricans need to pause before they type. Is this an "all for one lets make it better for all" or a a "let's divide and fight like children in a sandpit... wait let's gang up because that kid said the wrong word in spelling today!" grow up everyone. And not because I'm white... because I'm human- omw imagine that- i might even make a mistake oneday!

      Azande - 2012-06-21 17:18

      @gaff, how do you explain the ability to be in power for the past 18 years and having helped the economy of this country at a steady incline? The fact that SA is amongst the most respected countries in the world in application of democracy and development of the most progressive and fair constitution, was indeed product of "brains" and surely not from DA.

      Irene - 2012-06-21 18:13

      Azanda ~ Obviously you don't get out much or read the international press.

      Kevin - 2012-06-21 21:11

      Azande after the stuff up made by the NP of the country's economy, the only way to have ruined it further would have been the Mugabe option (thats the one preferred by the ANCYL). All 18 years in power shows is the stupidity of the voters, they keep voting into power the same crowd of incompetents who are preventing the economy from taking off, as they are preoccupied with taking whatever they can get for themselves.

      Oom - 2012-06-22 14:37

      craig is back, just being his normal moronic self again...

  • charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-06-21 15:54

    I wonder what this brain storming conference will cost us taxpayers? Luxury car hire 5 start hotel stay 5-course meal buffet tables laden with way too much food johnny walker blues for everyone

      gaff.harrison - 2012-06-21 15:56

      And lots of gravy to go with the buffet food!

      sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-06-21 16:17

      And KFC for every half hour snacks

      Irene - 2012-06-21 16:50

      Shame Hadebe, that electronic equipment you've got there is so outdated. Also, why do you wear sunglasses inside your house?

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-21 16:55

      Well perhaps, but surely you mean this will happen on the rare occasions when not sleeping in their chairs?

      Hadebe - 2012-06-21 16:57

      Irene u wearing those thick lensed spectackes your granny left u on her will? No wonder.

      Sharon - 2012-06-21 17:11

      hadebe,you want wealth,try working and saving instead of being an oxygen thief

      vandeventer.sarel - 2012-06-21 17:28

      Hadebe is one of those blacks that wants everything on a platter. Economic freedom is coming, maybe not in your lifetime but your children wil benefit. Apartheid was terible, accept it!!! But theres no quick fix to it, a quick fix wil damage the economy to the extend that only the politicians wil have money. Stop being stupid and try your best to build the economy

      Zahir - 2012-06-21 17:30

      Any excuse for a good party the first day will be used to discuss important policy like who has the biggest car and what's for lunch

      Irene - 2012-06-21 18:16

      Hadebe ~ No wonder you have such a dark outlook on life. I would too if I wore sunglasses where there is no bright sun. And by the way, I never inherited any glasses from my grandmother - our eyes are different so hers wouldn't work for me, or didn't you know that?

  • Ben Nel - 2012-06-21 15:55

    That implies the existence of a brain somewhere in the ANC. Even then, asking for a brain fart would be to much

  • MefrouwPoefparra - 2012-06-21 15:56

    No, only storming will take place. No brains to storm with. Unless they plan to storm other peoples' brains, and steal it for themselves. They are stupid enough to try it.

      sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-06-21 16:18

      Maybe they storm with their asses ?????????????????? fart competions

      wesley.nel.5 - 2012-06-21 17:14

      They orderd 58 buckets at KFC. Now they ready

  • Kala - 2012-06-21 15:59

    "Our first transition embodied a framework and a national consensus that may have been appropriate for political emancipation, a political transition, but has proven inadequate and inappropriate for our social and economic transformation phase," Radebe said at the launch." Is there an English translation for this?

      gerhard.muller.988 - 2012-06-21 16:08

      Simple Kala, we have no idea what we have been doing for the last 18 years and if we throw out statements that have big words that basically mean nothing, people will think we know what we are doing and will vote for us again. Then we can continue to enrich ourselves further for another four years.

      Jellyarse - 2012-06-21 20:45

      Basically translated it means that Our first 18 years were a total political fu*k-up that didn't think about any of the needs of the people, hence our need to look at this NOW or else we will lose elections in the near future

  • Ken - 2012-06-21 16:01

    The ANC policies are well understood, keep on giving an increasing unemployed, uneducated population more grants. If there is any taxpayers money left over, attempt to cream off as much as possible.Wherever possible all Mini-stars must try to work the works "Transformation and 2nd Revolution" into any speech.

  • Teuneman - 2012-06-21 16:06

    They shouldn't brainstorm too hard, the mielie pitte in thei're heads might pop en explode their heads.

      fussed.anderson - 2012-06-21 16:09


  • aspruyt - 2012-06-21 16:10

    Should read: ANC gets ready for policy brain farts

  • matthews.bantsijang - 2012-06-21 16:12

    On record: in his January 8 statement, ANC president Jacob Zuma said: "Political emancipation without economic transformation is meaningless, that is why we have to commit ourselves to economic freedom in our lifetime.."

      johan.maree.5036 - 2012-06-21 16:33

      political emancipation without a hard working government following close by doesn't amount to anything!

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-21 16:57

      Yes of course, and 'economic transformation' means? Why not promote economic achievement?

      Zahir - 2012-06-21 17:24

      Zuma was thinking of his own economic freedom spent R60 million upgrade on Nkandla so he seems to be doing ok using our tax money

  • altusvanzyl - 2012-06-21 16:12

    But they first need propaaaar structures to brainstorm??? LOL

  • willem.botha.5623 - 2012-06-21 16:12

    Day 1 show up,eet,brag about new Ipad,eet,sleep,eet, go home. Repeat for 5 days. Every day brag about something new like, BMW,Merc, Corruption, how little hour you where at work and how much you where at the casino!

      Hadebe - 2012-06-21 16:37

      Baas botha, be most gratefull they are going to do that, be most grateful, i say, otherwise u should be really rily scared.

      willem.botha.5623 - 2012-06-21 16:43

      @Hadebe?, My life is not in the corrupt hands of the ANC. I don't belong to them. They might \govern\ this beautiful country of ours. But nothing last for ever.

      Hadebe - 2012-06-21 16:49

      Thats just what ian smith once said.

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-21 17:00

      @Hadebe - do not for one minute sell us this ghost theory that we are 'lucky' or that we have been 'let off the hook', whilst we pay for half your nations daily survival. You see one tenth of the big picture and then pass moronic comments revealing just how damn ignorant you are.

      Irene - 2012-06-21 18:17

      Hadebe ~ Bring it on thicko. Can't wait.

  • joe.farmer.92775 - 2012-06-21 16:13

    it is nothing but a brainstorm in a teacup

  • sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-06-21 16:16

    How can u brainstorm without brain ...........for crying out loud many more fluck-ups do they wanna muddle through..........just give it up and save face assh*les

      Dawn Campbell Gibson - 2012-06-21 16:32

      now, there are 2 words that can NOT be used in the same sentence. Brainstorm and ANC!

  • robertmroba.mahlagaume - 2012-06-21 16:21

    This old spear its no more Ayoba!!!rather use the new one.

  • eblockwatch - 2012-06-21 16:29

    The ANC should put out a tender and sub contract Helen.

  • Andre - 2012-06-21 16:30

    The ANC brain works as follows: The brain has two sides, a left side and a right side. In the left half, nothing is right and in the right half, nothing is left. So, there you have it!

  • nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-21 16:32

    Brainstorm? Not likely.

  • Shaun - 2012-06-21 16:37

    At which point does the ANC measure the effectiveness of policy? SA society remains completely non transformed. Blacks and whites have never been more polarised in this country, economic inequity has more than quadrupled under their watch, unemployment is fast approaching 30%, education and health care are non existent if not private, social grants are completely unsustainable, corruption is rife, crime is rampant, municipalities have all but crumbled, private citizens are being forced to pay for road infrastructure (etolls) and, despite(arguably)the best environmental legislation in the world, our environment is still so threatened. Can we all just wake up already? Despite their intentions, the ANC will NOT transform this country in the way that is needed.

      Carl - 2012-06-21 19:36

      Well said Shaun. What "policies" are there to brainstorm? Policies in the ANC don't mean anything any more.We have ALL been let down and living in fear of what the future holds for ALL OF US.

  • Joubs1957 - 2012-06-21 16:39

    Policy brainstorm probably means the s**t is gonna fly?

  • faannagel - 2012-06-21 16:43

    @John,if it wasnt for Whiteness you wouldnt have the luxuries you enjoy 2day..grow up man...

  • evanknowles - 2012-06-21 16:47

    I predict a riot.

  • Brad.Kopping - 2012-06-21 16:53

    ANC brainstorm in a nutshell: Jacob Zuma: "Ok guys, lets promise more promises...Lets adjurn for lunch!" Tossers.

  • Ryno - 2012-06-21 16:55

    and the heading says it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the only thing they can do, is storm

  • Allan - 2012-06-21 16:55

    We need to decide once and for all is it communism, socialism or capitalism and then chose partners to take us forward from there as it seems the ANC cannot work without an alliance of sort.

  • Shaun - 2012-06-21 16:59

    @ John. Take up this personal challenge PLEASE. Take your racist glasses off for a minute and ACTUALLY debate what the issue at hand is. 1. South Africans ARE getting poorer. 2. 3,5 million young people cant find work. 3. 15 Million on social grants, 5 million taxpayers. 4. Non existent service delivery. 5. Public health care non existent. 6. Public schools in a shambles (I can give you a list of schools who, in June, STILL do not have text books.) I can go on, but the point is these issues have NOTHING to with race. Black people are in government, while black people get poorer, and less educated.

  • Azande - 2012-06-21 17:11

    Let the discussions begin. Our future depends in those deliberations.

      Sharon - 2012-06-21 17:16

      under their rule you have no future unless you join the party,shout slogans,slate the whites and sing two word songs,then the brain dead masses will vote you into power and you can steal like the rest of them

      grace.andtruth.77 - 2012-06-21 17:16

      Azande you mean the FATCAT's future, and the people's demise? They don't have one full brain between the lot of them!

      Azande - 2012-06-21 17:26

      Guys, the current ANC leadership is indeed failing the masses. I however cannot vouch that DA will do better considering the recent problems in their only province. They run only one province and we see service delivery protests. How much more will we see if they rule all provinces?

      Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-06-21 17:34

      Change is as good as a holiday.. Perhaps DA should be given a chance. If they don't prove themselves better then re-elect but 19 years of empty promises is SURELY enough evidence that something drastic needs to be done? Can you live through another 19 years of this?? I sure as $hit can't, don't want to and won't! We're gonna kill each other out of pure frustration and disappointment!! I wish God would step in..

      Azande - 2012-06-21 17:50

      @Emily, that's a fair statement and indeed change is one thing that is worth trying when ends do not seem to meet. However, some changes may be detrimental to a point beyond control, example is, there was an increasing tension between top ANC leaders and former President Mbeki. Eventually a drastic change was imposed which today proves to be the worst mistake ANC has ever made in its history. So, my point is, one would be wary to think about to relinquishing power to a party such as DA.

  • Zahir - 2012-06-21 17:15

    We have enough policies why is there no implementation no progress crime out of control unemployment is 50% massive govt corruption taxes increases

  • leko.dada1 - 2012-06-21 17:16

    Brain-storming or brain-draining? ANC need to make things easier for themselved by simple implementing freedom charter...

      Azande - 2012-06-21 17:30

      that is not the easy thing. the easy thing is to "stop stealing" simple, the rest shall follow.

      Ken - 2012-06-21 17:34

      And what part of the FC would that be. Nationalization would destroy the country as the ANC says. FC Land issue as explained by ANC does not allow for stealing land with no payment. So I really don't know what you are looking for. If you ignore the above look forward to a land were there are no poor, they will simple be cooked and eaten by their own brothers

  • givenmasanabo - 2012-06-21 17:30

    anc is the best .godluck

  • Carel de Lange - 2012-06-21 17:39

    Such a nice way to sell the lie of a communist takeover and genocide which will follow. And all these useful idiots believe it. SA will bypass Zim and head straight to Somali type anarchy! Just know one thing, there are millions in SA who will not tolerate what is up for discussion. Be warned!

  • Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-06-21 17:48

    B- Bull$hit R- Rantings A- Amid I- Idiots N- Never S- Solving T- Tyranny O- Or R- Reaching M- Methodical I- Ideas whilst N- Negotiating with G- Gluttony!! Ha ha ha!!

      grace.andtruth.77 - 2012-06-21 18:10

      Emily lol.... That was excellent!!! I think you should write their definition of what a policy is too hahaha! (remember to put it in simple format) :-)

      goodman.segage - 2012-06-21 19:20

      @Emily, your definition tells whosover sees your comment, how hating and angry are you! Learn to respect your leadership, as long as you reside within the SA border they are your leaders. Learn to repsect them sister.

      Irene - 2012-06-21 19:33

      @Goodman ~ What is there to respect? Please give me one thing about the cANCer filth to respect. Come on, just one ....

      Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-06-21 19:35

      Oh Goodman Gracious! Little bit of lighthearted humor between all this $hit! How can I respect people who have not earned it? Hate? Oh so you know me know? You know nothing brother so don't judge k!

      Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-06-21 19:37

      Kagiso.. Watch your mouth. Bit rude your comment huh? Don't judge me. FFS find your sense of humor again and watch what you call people you judgmental A hole

  • blaauw3 - 2012-06-21 17:49

    In order to "Brain Storm" you need brains to start with...

      Kagiso Spat Truthtell - 2012-06-21 18:31

      Hertzog, Verwoerd, Malan, Botha all didnt have brains, and more recently Leon and Zille dnt have any brains but they brainstorm...with their arses. Now let our leaders brainstorm so that they can change this constitution that serves to protect white man's apartheid gains.

  • Ntambolicous - 2012-06-21 18:15

    82 yrs of struggle and 18 yrs of corruption, definately not what we fought we fought for. Lets put aparthaid in the meuseam and fight corruption. I have been reading your comments with interest for sometime and my question to you my fellow countryman and women is, what is our legacy are going to continue the racial hatred while the politicians dig at our wealth as they please or do we unite and take them to task, what do we teach our kids at dinner tables? Our government has always been corrupt past period and as long as we continue with racial hatred we will continue to to loose sight of what matters most. If we don't protect our farmers who will transfer the agricultural skills to upcoming farmers. If majority of white farmers are racist trust me killing them aint no solution. Let us engage each other, if were all claim to be human than surely we will find one another. We got through 1994 without civil war so let us draw inspiration from that day when we proved that all races living in this country do not want a war. It won't be easy but for the sake of my children and yours let us do right by each other. LET US LIVE AND STRIVE FOR PEACE, EQUALITY IN SOUTH AFRICA OUR LAND. ps. equality and peace shall not be at the death of one race by another, we are better than this come on Mzantsi

      Millos Mpofu - 2012-06-21 18:56

      Thx ntambolicous you learn to our neighbouring state now all of those who fail their state they are here their left the poor comdres to come and stay with us.They live in Sandton /Cape Town who looks their freedom fighter they children study in Europe

  • michael.i.wright - 2012-06-21 18:49

    We can expect 3 inch waves to batter our coast?

  • patrick.m.vianello - 2012-06-21 19:05

    This is it my friends, this is when the trenches will be dug. This is going to be their declaration of war on our land and wealth. WE EARNED THE WEALTH AND HAVE GOT THE LAND LEGITIMATELY!! Land back to the Africans, wtf is that meant to mean?? The last time I checked my family have been here in the Southern tip of Africa for over 350 years and blacks crossed the Limpopo river just over 1000 years ago. WE BOTH SETTLED THIS LAND and here in the Western Cape we whites go back over 350 years whilst the blacks werent even born here! This land, especially here in the Cape, is OURS! This crap of Africa belongs to blacks is rubbish. without Africa I ain't anything! And this isn't Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, the farmers won't just run away, the weapons will come out. Problem is, the ANC don't know what war is, they never had their friends head blown off in the middle of battle, yet people in the organisation say, if war is necessary we'll go for it! War will make our country the worst country in Africa. Remember also, many whites had military training and also are seasoned veterans from the border war. No push over there. A sleeping dragon is waiting to wake up here ........

      Henk - 2012-06-21 19:27

      Patrick, I hope you are wrong about the war part. But I do not see the tha Anc losing gracefully when that day comes.

      Kagiso Spat Truthtell - 2012-06-21 19:37

      This land is for Africans...Van Reibeck found Xhosa's in the Western cape and you ppl have been stealing land all over SA ever since. I'm ready to take up arms to take back wat is rightfully our's i dont care how much military training u hv had...we wont be cowards, u think u scare us with ur stupid training. We are the majority...en we hv many former soldiers here, i'm one myself...disgruntled, hungry, no land no money, blocked opportunities by white red-faced bosses. Ready to die to gyv our children a better life.

      Carl - 2012-06-21 19:41

      Are you reading News 24?...or watching SABC or eTV. Stick to the subject bro.

      Irene - 2012-06-21 19:50

      Kagiso ~ Get a job and work then buy some land. Bring it on !!!! Don't threaten !!!!! Bring it on coward !!!!

      Kagiso Spat Truthtell - 2012-06-21 20:00

      i wont work for any white man...i wont allow myself to fall into the trap of dependency....Africa is not free until its free from dependency

      Sharon - 2012-06-22 11:24

      @ kagiso - thats why you are poor,loose the give me for free attitude and perhaps you will achieve something,as for your soldier bit - ha ha ha what a joke

  • Millos Mpofu - 2012-06-21 19:43

    The current leadership of ANC they don't have any problem . The many problem of the ANC are their players who bussy scoring own goais to the Party and no one can lead the Ruling Party if their member bussy fighting

  • Stlouis Heidtmann - 2012-06-21 20:07

    @kagiso why do you only attack old people and women you lot are cowards and if you start a war you should get ready for an @ss kicking i am not an old army man but i can use any gun shoot from quit a distance and track what can you do

  • patrick.m.vianello - 2012-06-21 22:26

    Kagiso - you another one of those deluded r$%^ards who believe everything people tell you. Let me once again give people like you a history lesson. In 1652 there were brown people in the Cape, not black people. You make blanket statements without any evidence. Well here is evidence for my claim with regards to the Cape. 25 years ago the population was less than 5% black. And look at the Western half of South Africa today. All the klein dorpies in the western cape and particularly the western half of the Northern Cape have small percentages of blacks. Go to any sensible census site and look at small centres such as Calvinia, Springbok or Swellendam. Calvinia about 1% black. Swellendam majority coloured, then white. The blacks there influxed from the Eastern Cape. Blacks in the Cape in 1652, ja, and there were pigs on Mars 300 years ago lol. Rightfully yours? Tell me why? Give me proof we stole your stuff??? You can't because just like so many people in this country, you make blanket statements without any proof. Also, Kagiso, you don't want war, because you have absolutely no idea of the atrocities of it. See your best friend's head blown off while fighting next to him. Also, I know the ANC won't lose gracefully - that's why the country will to to the dogs because we won't give in either. Kagiso - you suffer from a disease called "entitlement". You think just because you black, you have a right to. Morally, you don't brother. I Actually feel for you!

  • patrick.m.vianello - 2012-06-21 22:27

    Also, I didn't agree with what Verwoerd did but you make another blanket statement that he had no brains. lol - he had 5 PhD's, nuff said - I don't think I need to talk anymore about that. Do you have a standard 4?

      carl.debeer.33 - 2012-06-21 23:30

      Kagiso, one day when my ship comes to land you will beg me to board you as a slave, so you and your family can survive...

  • jayjay.talbot - 2012-06-22 00:07

    more like BRAINFART...

  • Biiza M Herbert - 2012-06-22 02:34

    y is ths bt race.coz the anc is full of blacks thats y pple a hating we shld stick to e point rather than running our mouths bt irrelevant tings lik race.wites aint going nowhre an so a the blacks deal w it

  • nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-06-22 07:09

    lol, it won't last long.

  • Pieriewaaier - 2012-06-22 12:06

    A storm, yes & lots of storms, too! But brains? Nope. Totally absent. Just fat arses consuming KFC chicken and Johnny Walker Blue in between all the spear-related shenanigens which takes up a lot of time!

  • gavin.lott.9 - 2012-06-26 08:06

    More like a brain fart!

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