ANC going against its constitution: ANCYL

2011-09-02 15:35

Johannesburg - Information regarding ANC Youth League president Julius Malema's disciplinary hearing channelled by the ANC to the media, is against its own constitution, the league said on Friday.

"The ANCYL’s understanding of the ANC constitution’s clause concerning public communication is that it can only be done once all processes have been finalised," spokesperson Floyd Shivambu said in a statement.

The league would stand by this understanding in its own dealings with the media, it said.

The information so far divulged did not reflect what had happened in the hearing so far, it claimed.

For example, the report released by the ANC's national disciplinary committee (NDC) claimed Malema had argued that charges brought against him were contrary to the ANC constitution. The league said this was untrue and had been refuted by Malema.

Urgent application to stop communication

As such, the league would issue an urgent application for future ANC communications in this vein to be stopped.

The NDC announced to the media on Friday morning that Malema's bid to have the hearing dropped had been rejected.

Malema's former deputy Andile Lungisa told supporters at Beyers Naude Square in central Johannesburg that the league's national executive committee was "surprised" by the outcome of Friday's hearing.

"We have agreed to review what happened today."

He said a number of surprises had arisen, but he urged the crowd to continue their support for their leader.

False information

"We are putting on record that information communicated to the media is false and not genuine," Lungisa said.

"The youth league never said it disrespected the ANC, we never said that. The league will always respect the ANC."

He said they would stand behind Malema.

Lungisa told supporters that their presence was appreciated and that they should not be fooled by the media. He announced Malema would be there in person on Tuesday.

Malema was brought before the NDC on charges of bringing the ANC into disrepute and sowing divisions in ANC ranks.

He recently said the ANCYL would send a team to Botswana to consolidate local opposition parties and to help bring about regime change, as it believed the government there was "in full co-operation with imperialists" and undermining the "African agenda".

Charged with him are ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu, deputy president Ronald Lamola, treasurer general Pule Mabe, secretary general Sindiso Magaqa and deputy secretary general Kenetswe Masenogi.

All except Shivambu were set to appear before the committee on Friday. His disciplinary hearing had been postponed to a later date.

  • Cynical Sci - 2011-09-02 15:44

    This is very amusing seeing that Malema's argument for having the charges dropped was that the ANC constitution was too confusing. Now they're saying they're going by their understanding.

      Together - 2011-09-02 15:48

      "The ANCYL’s understanding of the ANC constitution’s clause concerning public communication is that it can only be done once all processes have been finalised," spokesperson Floyd Shivambu said in a statement. In which case, making public pronouncements about the economy, Botswana and the ANC leadership WITHOUT TOTAL CONSULTATION AND CONSENSUS was a direct contravention of ANC rules. Is this like pleading guilty via a spokesman?

      willieman - 2011-09-02 15:50

      ANCYL they are just throwing all sorts of gabbage to trying to discredit the mother body.Why don't they interrogate their leader about allegations(tenders etc ).I suppose there is a high level of intimidation in this organisation.

      Cynical Sci - 2011-09-02 15:52

      @Together: Is Pinocchio flammable?!

      Together - 2011-09-02 15:57

      I don't know - isn't that a major woodwork question.

      Herdsman - 2011-09-02 16:01

      @ together....hysterical !!!

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-02 16:26

      With the ANCYL using, as its defense, attacks on the ANC, that to me is a 100% crystal clear indication that they have no leg to stand on and are guilty as heck...

      Wonderboy - 2011-09-02 16:32

      Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex. It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage - to move in the opposite direction. - Albert Einstein

      Christelle - 2011-09-02 16:34

      Very amusing indeed. But then again - he confuses himself all the time. And heartwarming to see how they ANCYL is scrambling - do we sense panic??

      Neil - 2011-09-02 16:37

      "The youth league never said it disrespected the ANC, we never said that. The league will always respect the ANC." HA HA HA.. an hour ago they called them a kangaroo court. Clearly they have the brain span of a gold fish (3 seconds)

      rtshilande - 2011-09-02 21:08

      this is really disappointing, this boys thinks theY own ANC, they think they are incharge of this country.

      abir - 2011-09-03 08:32

      ....very amusing indeed as I think burning posters with your leaders pic on and your party's flag tends to suggest a lack of respect....I don't think they understand themselves!

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-09-02 15:44

    Spin-doctors at work? ANCYL are a bunch of corrupt,incompetent brats.

      Charles Kane - 2011-09-02 16:45

      Not incompetent when it comes to manipulating things to go their way. Malema may be ill-educated and uncouth but he is not stupid. At least they have a strategy, which cannot be said of their opponents. Not good for SA - this is how the Nazis got into power.

      Shistirrer - 2011-09-02 17:03

      Sorry, I'll go for stupid. Clearly what's going on in the hearing and what he communicates to his own people are two different things. On Wednesday he told them "victory is imminent". Today he refuted saying that the charges are unconstitutional. The 22 points of his defence against the legality of the proceedings are documented and in the public domain, where he clearly stated that (1) the charges are unconstitutional (i.e. against the ANC constitution) and (2) the ANC constitution in unconstitutional. Who does he think he's fooling? Obviously he suceedded in fooling his own constituents, but that's not too hard to do.

      John - 2011-09-02 19:08

      The ANCYL's reasoning is hilarious. I have laughed so much in a long time. What a bunch of ar$eholes.

  • iamasouthafr - 2011-09-02 15:45

    Evil will never prevail.

      VargVikernes - 2011-09-02 15:47

      Evil sometimes prevails, however, stupidity always fails :)

      arthur.amgen - 2011-09-02 15:48

      Where are you living? Evil always prevails. Gaddafi?(42Years) Hitler? Mugabe? Malema? Zuma? etc.

      VargVikernes - 2011-09-02 15:57

      Gadaffi - being hunted in the desert like a dog Hitler - suicide and complete worldwide condemnation, to this day Mugabe - dying of tertiary syphillis and after his death, will leave the legacy that he deserves, ie destroyer of a whole country Zuma - early days yet Malema - thats what we are waiting to see.

      schmerz - 2011-09-02 15:58

      Sooner or later the ANC will screw themselves sideways and get nudged into a very uncomfortable position. They will collapse as their very foundation has been stolen, they know about nothing but theft.

  • Slapper - 2011-09-02 15:47

    An amazing statement from the ANCYL, who want to trample the constitution. Oh its lovely to see crooks fall out.

      Shistirrer - 2011-09-02 17:07

      ... and worms squirming.

  • Makenzi - 2011-09-02 15:49

    Hmmm...earlier the ANCYL claimed that the ANC's constitution was "unconstitutional", now they say the ANC is going against its (unconstitutional) constitution. Is there any logic there?

      Yislaaik - 2011-09-02 16:01

      Makenzi, I was wondering why I was feeling very confused, more so than Vetbooi is about the constitution. I thought they could have one or more hidden constitutions somewhere for use in disciplinary courts :D :D

      Makenzi - 2011-09-02 16:04

      Lol..@Yislaaik maybe they have their own latest edition of the constitution

      Yislaaik - 2011-09-02 16:15

      Like microsoft patches, the changes arrive in the night without being prompted. Always for security purposes of course. The next day you wake up and find your constitution updated. Not all members get these updates, obviously.

  • StevieWonder - 2011-09-02 15:50

    These little overweight, arrogant, dumb idiots are trying very hard to fight with the big, overweight, arrogant idiots.... What a bunch of useless fools!

      JohnnyBB - 2011-09-02 15:57

      ...ANCYL + ANC = useless idiots....!!!! ...and the ANC-voters...

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  • Buic Unix - 2011-09-02 15:52

    An idea not coupled with action will never get any bigger than the brain cell it occupied.

  • cerveza - 2011-09-02 15:53

    The ANCYL leaders went against their own constitution with several of their actions the last 2 years. Now they are going against the ANC's constitution in the way they handle the process. Their supporters are going against the South African constitution and the way they disrespect the ANC leaders, their elders foes against African tradition. Have they realised they are in big trouble and are trying every dirty trick to stay "alive", or have they gone into the deep end where they can see no fault with their won actions no matter how much it goes against their "beliefs". Only time will tell if they are acting like an animalbacked in a corner or if they have slipped in the realm of Dictator Dimensia

  • AceOfSpades - 2011-09-02 15:53

    Malema undermines everything that is decent and civil in our country. Get rid of him.

  • Elaine - 2011-09-02 15:54

    Kangaroo court meaning of:Slang of U.S. origin.] An unfair, biased, or hasty judicial proceeding that ends in a harsh punishment; an unauthorized trial conducted by individuals who have taken the law into their own hands, such as those put on by vigilantes or prison inmates; a proceeding and its leaders who are considered sham, corrupt, and without regard for the law. You call the ANC unauthorised to discipline one of its own members, and that they are hastily taking the law ( meaning the processes of the ANC)into their own hands. Well, I've got news for you sganja, Juju was warned long ago that he would face discipline from the party. And now that he is us against it, he mobilises thugs behind himself to try and wiggle out of it by calling the party into question. It's high time the ANC called the baba in for a whack.

      OZNOB - 2011-09-02 16:18

      THAT whack is long overdue and may be too late to save this spoilt kid

  • Ben - 2011-09-02 15:54

    alogic vs alogic... the world of physics is gonna be turned upside down...

      I_ARE_BABOON - 2011-09-02 17:01

      the ancyl already attempted to divide by zero with their "going against the unconstitutional anc constitution" - soon the universe will fold in on itself.

      Shistirrer - 2011-09-02 17:06

      I fear for the world of woodwork.

  • v3 - 2011-09-02 15:54

    "The ANCYL’s understanding of the ANC constitution’s clause concerning public communication is that it can only be done once all processes have been finalised," spokesperson Floyd Shivambu said in a statement. The "process" - Malema's "trial within a trial": appealing to have the hearing thrown out - were finalised. You may not like the answer, but that is what happened. Interesting that the ANCYL is now saying that the ANC is dishonest. The rest of us have known that all along.

  • falcon2020 - 2011-09-02 15:54

    No Honour Amongst Thieves

  • Erlywerly - 2011-09-02 15:54

    Yes spin doctors at work!! Anything to move the attention away from the big issue of his fraud and corruption investigation!! Which I read have been put on hold due to no funds to continue the investigation!! Oh what a circus!!!

  • edd - 2011-09-02 15:54

    Dog eat Dog Everyday on our fellow man we prey

  • ProsAndCons - 2011-09-02 15:54

    Reading all the ANC's issues into the main issue, I wonder if they aren't giving Mal Emma the chance to resign before Monday - it certainly sounds like it.

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-02 20:45

      Very good point. If Fatboy resigned as opposed to being kicked out the outcomes would be very different.

  • Grey B - 2011-09-02 15:55

    Isnt it weird that no-one understands Malema and he is always misquoted? Just saying.

  • camp.j - 2011-09-02 15:59

    I sense someone is sh1tting himself. Dont worry Mr Malema, the ANC is gonna get you then SARS is gonna get you, the public protector is next and finally the Hawks. Sleep well tonight

  • VirVeritas - 2011-09-02 16:02

    The wheel is turning & the children are not enjoying the hiding they are getting. @Floyd - we adults refer to this as a learning curve; seeing that you have no active brain cells you will not comprehend this.

  • crackerr - 2011-09-02 16:03

    There is a huge irony at work here. But really GIGANTIC. The ANCYL's protests will not have any effect on the outcome of the disciplinary hearing(s). They can only get relief at the end of the day from the High and higher court structures of the country. The country and the ANCYL are not going to fight Malema out of his predicament and the ANC into submission because of the ANC's alleged non-observance of its own constitution and bias. So, now that they urgently require independently minded and competent referees to control and oversee the rules of the engagement, what do they think of previous utterances about judges they have made? What if the judges were all ANC appointed, based on ANC and Jacob Zuma loyalties? Which is exactly the sort of regulation they (Malema and his organization) would have liked to see, based on what we heard them imply. Judges appointed according to skin colour and revolutionary tendencies. Now the political allegiances and sentiments have taken an upside down turn. What now? Now that the courts will be called in eventually to sort out the fights, the occasion for reflection by the Malema supported sentiments should be not be allowed to pass unproductively. It is in times like these that the protagonists really crave that independently minded and intellectually and legally superior ability that only an independent and peer reviewed appointment process can produce. No so?

      Phaedioux - 2011-09-02 16:18

      I think you may have gone over a multitude of heads? I agree - for you and me this whole episode is a 'win/win' situation and outcome!

      Dazbo - 2011-09-02 16:50

      My understanding is that this is the same as any other internal disciplinary hearing...Not sure if Juju has recourse to escalate this higher than the NEC. I assume that this is the highest he can go and must, therefore accept the verdict. Classic case of "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" !!

  • Bakunin - 2011-09-02 16:03

    understand constitution? but the YL Pres said he do not understand the rules and their are confusing. But former, talks about contravention of constitution, how do they know that it is being contravened if their do not understand it? But I get it they just learned it

  • nhlanhla.madide - 2011-09-02 16:04

    Folks check your sources.

      gatvol4corru - 2011-09-02 16:24

      Maybe true? Also,you need to do a reality-check

  • GT - 2011-09-02 16:09

    Could Andile please explain were you got his Breitling watch. Does he have any involvement in tender business? I suspect that the kids are about to get trampled by the ndlovu inside the big house

  • EM - 2011-09-02 16:11

    I think they must taste their dirty medicine now. since those who are backing you up for their own agenda which will not benefit the youth once more

  • Kenneth - 2011-09-02 16:15

    And they said they not at war with the mother body???

  • DW - 2011-09-02 16:15

    "The ANCYL’s understanding of the ANC constitution’s clause concerning public communication is that it can only be done once all processes have been finalised" - The process has been finalised. They turned down his bid to get the charges dropped. They are now fully within their rights to communicate this with the media. They will now proceed with the hearing. Once that process has been finalised, the ANC will then be within their rights to communicate with the media once again.

  • theprodigy - 2011-09-02 16:16

    since when did the ANCYL care about the constitution, inciting racial hatred & political intolerance is what Malema & his cohorts do all the time, if thats not against the constitution what is???

  • zulufox - 2011-09-02 16:16

    Mangaung Conference will make Polokwane Conference look like a baby shower I tell you...

  • ktheron2 - 2011-09-02 16:20

    "The youth league never said it disrespected the ANC, we never said that." They don't have to SAY that. By their actions and irresponsible verbal dreck, they are demonstrating to the whole world that they have no respect for democracy, law and order, or for their elders. This is going to cost SA dearly.

  • Kenneth - 2011-09-02 16:23

    ANCYL- we all say-R.I.P !Whilst we all know that your time is up,We all wish that you May forever hold your insane policies to yourself,leave our hard fort democracy and constituion alone,keep your stupidity to yourselves and may you all rot in hell!!! REGARDS REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA!!!

  • Deeteem - 2011-09-02 16:26

    When you are as thick as two short pine planks, stringing a four word sentence together MUST BE A CHALLENGE !!

  • santoro29 - 2011-09-02 16:28

    is it in the ANC Constitution to bring about a regime change ???? Now they want to act like they stick to the Rules ?? Bunch a Clowns

  • Megan - 2011-09-02 16:28

    Since the ANCYL's own president has absolutely no idea what the ANC's constitution is, how exactly are we supposed to believe that the rest of the league have any understanding of it. And if the YL are going to respect this apparent rule of not talking about it while the process is under way then why are they talking about it? I think someone just taught this moron the word constitution and now he feels he needs to use it at every oppourtunity. Oh and YL members, burning the flag of your party, and t-shirts bearing the face of your president is showing nothing BUT disrespect to your party so please stop being so hypocritical. More importantly, THINK before you speak and act.

  • scud - 2011-09-02 16:31

    How is it possible for so many people to have a joint IQ in the region of 10?

  • Phaedioux - 2011-09-02 16:31

    These 'parrots' are trying to outdo the masters of deception and confusion (to some) - they are losing heavily (the Polokwane and Mangaung ANCYL tactics are too well known now)! Malema must now go down! - and bring Zuma down with him by continuing to foster discontent within the youth of the ANC.

  • Daemos1 - 2011-09-02 16:37

    This is getting boring

  • esetoric - 2011-09-02 16:39

    the arguements hold no water,Juju each day you dig your grave my your ridiculous utterances-the end of you is nigh...your ridiculous utterances-the end of you is nigh...

  • esetoric - 2011-09-02 16:42

    farewell are fighting a losing battle!farewell are fighting a losing battle!

  • Mlungu - 2011-09-02 16:48

    Fatboy your days are numbered old comrade - if dont pass begin ngeke thola imali - unless of course you are payed dividends

  • Mlungu - 2011-09-02 16:51

    Fatboy your days are numbered - every dog has its day and a imfene has a long weekend.

  • Hamilton Ngwenya - 2011-09-02 16:52

    The reason I know less about other parties youth organs is that they focus more on youth related matters and leave politicking to the senior folk.

  • Charles Kane - 2011-09-02 16:55

    People should seriously stop calling the ANCYL "stupid" and stop underestimating them. They are not stupid and dismissing them as such is very dangerous. Treat ANCYL like the serious and organised threat that it is. They reason ANCYL leadership can make such ostensibly stupid statements is that they are not speaking for the benefit of the educated and informed but rather to the members of their own base (the unemployed, uneducated product of failed economic and educational policies) whom they know full well will respond to their brand of rhetoric.

      Daemos1 - 2011-09-02 17:10

      They are extremeley destructive and they are diverting the nation's resources and attention away from important amtters, the ANC needs to definitively put this matter to bed and move on

      Megan - 2011-09-02 17:11

      Still doesn't stop them from being stupid... But I hear what you're saying.

  • Jacques - 2011-09-02 17:21

    The ANC under Mandela was a solid organisation with a cancerous growth of corrupt politicians circulating at provincial and parlamentary level. Today, the ANC is a mass of cancerous tissue with, what we hope, only a few shreds of decency in the right places to initiate ''self destruction''.

  • Vela Stardust - 2011-09-02 17:42

    Confusion, misunderstanding, unconstitutional. So ANCYL.

  • Yellow1 - 2011-09-02 20:45

    I doubt if the ANC will carry this through, but for the sake of South Africa I hope they get rid of Malema. If they let him go that's just like adopting policy to turn South Africa into Zim.

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