ANC hits back at 'ignorant' Mazibuko

2013-01-14 17:52

Johannesburg - Ignorance lay behind DA parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko's latest criticism of President Jacob Zuma, the ANC said on Monday.

It rejected her advice to Zuma to retract a remark that it was to the benefit of business to support the African National Congress.

"It is a sad fact that... Mazibuko is so naive when it comes to African traditions that she cannot relate to them," spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said in a statement.

"It is our tradition as Africans that if someone gives you something, in return you thank him/her and wish them prosperity and abundance."

Speaking during the party's birthday dinner in Durban on Friday, Zuma told businesspeople that those who supported the ANC would see their business "multiply".

Mthembu said the ANC rejected "with contempt" Mazibuko's stance and said that the ruling party was the only party that had policies which supported business and the economy.

"The implication of this reality is that if business wants to [prosper] in South Africa, they have to support the ANC as their prosperity is dependent on the ANC being at the helm of South Africa's government."

Earlier, Mazibuko said she would submit parliamentary questions to Zuma so he could explain whether the remarks were in fact government policy.

"These remarks... have the potential to severely compromise the principle of good governance, which our constitutional democracy fundamentally depends on.

"They imply that by backing the ANC, businesses will be provided with financial reward, which can only be leveraged through state resources," she said.

"This is further evidence of how President Zuma fundamentally confuses the role of the state and party, and how the government continues to misuse public money, which should be spent on the poor," Mazibuko said.

The R250m being spent on the upgrade of Zuma's Nkandla residence was the most glaring example to date, she said.

She suggested Zuma spend more time on ways to fight corruption, instead of making dangerous and irresponsible comments that had the potential to undermine the country's constitutional democracy.

  • Vishen - 2013-01-14 17:58

    You need a drink, Jackson.

      Twolips - 2013-01-14 19:58

      Geez, parry, is that drink also an African tradition? ;-)

      Mbongeni Masilela - 2013-01-15 00:04

      Mthembu must not be taken seriously, he probably had one too many...

      heinrich.etsebeth - 2013-01-15 07:17

      Damn he murders that Johnny with water...

  • avremel.niselow - 2013-01-14 18:00

    This is weak even for the ANC spin doctors.

      heinrich.etsebeth - 2013-01-15 07:19

      Mbongeni Masilela: well the article is about the irresponsible utterings and nature of the ANC so should avremel.niselow be commenting on your inability to clearly see what is given to you on a platter?

  • jacobus.krynauw - 2013-01-14 18:02

    Dis vreemd dat Mazibuko nie van rassisme beskuldig word nie?

      Mbongeni Masilela - 2013-01-15 00:16

      I can't read Afrikaans. I hope that wont make me a racist because I'm not.

      heinrich.etsebeth - 2013-01-15 07:22

      Mbongeni: Can't say he is racist but jacobus is definitely rude. Just as rude as people standing in a company kitchen talking English and suddenly switching to Sotho or Xhosa when you walk in :P

  • Erna - 2013-01-14 18:04

    Black culture and traditions really cover a whole lot of utterings by the president - BUT only when it suits them.

  • Attie007 - 2013-01-14 18:05

    ANC amazes me, so it right to pay a bribe to get a Tender because that's how it looks

      patrick.mbense - 2013-01-15 07:38

      Sfiso Mbongeni Pongo Masilela aka Mbongeni.Masilela. Your an idiot!

  • pws69 - 2013-01-14 18:08

    DA=1, ANC=0 (own goal)

      ron.wale.3 - 2013-01-14 18:20

      Yep, the ANC shot themselves in the foot this time!

      dewaldmontgomery - 2013-01-15 07:21

      Professionals? Perhaps in view of those who they deliberately keep uninformed, illiterate and poor. I mean, even you are a professional at some things you're supposed to do in private. Everyone's a professional, at some point in time. That doesn't make you a master of the art.

  • morne.nortier.98 - 2013-01-14 18:10

    Uhm Jackson... It is decent in any culture to say thank you when someone gives you something out of the goodness of their hearts. But to tell someone to give you something first before you will say thank you (or reward them) is utterly disgusting (in any culture). That is not decent, that is a threat. Idiot.

      heinrich.etsebeth - 2013-01-15 07:35

      Mbongeni: It would seem that you are busy calling the kettle black. You are bashing everyone on the forum that simply points out the stupidity and the impact of the inappropriate statements made by Zuma and the ridicule it actually causes your culture by claiming that it is the way it should be. So allow me to enlighten you once again: What Zuma is saying is that it is that he condones corruption, nepotism and thus crime. What his spin doctors at the ANC are saying is that it is part of African culture. So combined they are saying that it is in your culture to steal, corrupt and destroy everything rather than to build anything from scratch. So by siding with them are you saying that they are correct?

  • catgirl1971 - 2013-01-14 18:11

    Hmm, just like owning a dog is unafrican? Culture/tradition my foot - convenient scapegoats for when the going gets tough.

      ron.wale.3 - 2013-01-14 18:21

      Zuma has no culture! He's proven that time and time again. He's the laughing stock of African politics.

  • gary.doyle.520 - 2013-01-14 18:12

    We were expecting a daft response from the anc and Jackson Shabeen Mthembu doesn't fail to disappoint.

      Mbongeni Masilela - 2013-01-15 00:22

      lol Jackson 'hansa' Mthembu

  • - 2013-01-14 18:14

    Mthembu, JZ said it. Is this damage control? Continuation bribery, corruption

  • werner.coetzer.311 - 2013-01-14 18:18

    Geez like, waar de hel kry hulle sulke mense soos ou Jackson?!?! Praat van deur jou gat praat!! Hy's amper so slim soos ou Marius (Fransman) en Tony (Ehrenreich) se 2 IK punte bymekaar getel.

  • shirley.steenkamp - 2013-01-14 18:19

    The only "igmotant" ones are those who continue to vote for this corrupt seespool!!!!!

  • manjay.gates - 2013-01-14 18:19

    Was he speaking as the president of the country or as the ANC president. If he was speaking on an ANC president then I see nothing wrong with his utterances.

      luzuko.qongo - 2013-01-14 18:31

      Can you tell which hat he's wearing when he speaks in public? He, himself, can't even tell

      andrew.crawford.50 - 2013-01-14 18:48

      A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. George Bernard Shaw

      derek.francois.3 - 2013-01-14 19:19

      manjay the gates locked on this one.............

      michael.tetley.35 - 2013-01-14 20:45

      Problem is that he is president of the country and leader of the ANC and the ANC is also the ruling party, therefore you cannot separate any of his public utterances accordingly. The two are one and the same and are viewed as such worldwide. He is supposed to be above reproach on both counts. The fact that he views the state and party resources as one and the same also negates the excuses of the apologists and spin doctors.

      Mbongeni Masilela - 2013-01-15 00:27

      What difference does it make?

  • matt.cumming.77 - 2013-01-14 18:20

    another case of a good spin doctor deflecting valid criticism of a buffoon like President, unable to think before talking...Zuma take the Chinese's advice think 4 times before you say something...

      squeegee.pilot - 2013-01-14 19:01

      Matt? "good" spin doctor - I don't think Jackson succeeded at all...

  • PERCYMN - 2013-01-14 18:20

    I think Zuma should have tried other words than say buseness ppl would multiply their buseness if they support ANC, we knew that all along bt from presindent, that was immature.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2013-01-15 07:24

      Yes, but he's not OURS. I mean, the ANC keep telling us they only look after THEIR supporters, not the whole of the country. And boy do we see that. Cape Town = DA. Buses, logos, letterheads, banners in ALL the colours of the flag. Tshwane = ANC. Buses, logos, letterheads, banners in YELLOW GREEN and BLACK. Yup, he's yours, not ours. Because we wouldn't want to worship a WHITE president if he was as pathetic as this moron.

  • salvador - 2013-01-14 18:22

    This is mind boggling terrible. Scary utterances from our governing party that are unfortunately swallowed as okay by the electorate.

  • cza.ziphethe - 2013-01-14 18:22

    At least Jackson Mthembu and the Big Mac earn their salaries. Cleaning up the boss's mess.

  • luzuko.qongo - 2013-01-14 18:26

    And they think we are so dumb that we have not noticed that this is excatly what has been happening all along? JZ is stating the obvious.

      MJS1234 - 2013-01-14 20:43


  • aroka.murombe - 2013-01-14 18:28

    So in this way dey are buying votes

  • walter.corbett.54 - 2013-01-14 18:31

    The Nkandla Development Plan (NDP) in action. Watch "How the LEECH stole Xmas" (and funded Nkandla with a little help from 'ol Prav!)

  • tinus.dupreez.397 - 2013-01-14 18:34

    Banana replic here we come eish but of course they will all stand behind uncle Z THE GODFATHER ha ha what a joke!!!!

  • Hasani P - 2013-01-14 18:35

    So is the tradition which we don't understand . I suggest the president must always cite tradition each time he speaks in public. He must go like "traditionally if u support the ANC u will be rewarded with cows or goats" . Cause value in African tradition is measured in that way, or land etc, but no money. U are right mr. Mthembu , but I still have a problem with this justification , it is naive to the extreme for lack of better traditional words

  • osmaseko - 2013-01-14 18:38

    This coconut Mazibuko should stay in some rural area or ekasi for her to relate. She has lost it....she needs induction on African traditions and cultures

      boitumelo.matshediso.98 - 2013-01-14 19:06

      Whoever thinks like u and Jackson are dragging African culture through the mud.Thanking someone and wishing him/her prosperity and assuring it are two different things.When are the likes of you going to stop hidding behind Apartheid,Race and Culture for every blunders that you make.

      ron.vanmarshall - 2013-01-14 19:17

      if dats d case Zuma xud gt an induction in d tradition of governance.........wch is legal,after all juju is vindicated....dis is infact a banana republic ran interms of african tradition

      derek.francois.3 - 2013-01-14 19:25

      OS you have the culture of a vulture looking for a tender.............

      aspruyt - 2013-01-14 19:30

      She never lost it, you never got it.

  • Shane Kelly - 2013-01-14 18:38

    Please cANCer when you are wrong say you are wrong you are running a country not a kindergarden.

  • luzuko.qongo - 2013-01-14 18:39

    As a self respecting African I take exception to this African traditional. Jackson, ever heard of something called Corporate Governance???

  • Hasani P - 2013-01-14 18:42

    I think we must all join the ANC otherwise we wii rot in poverty. Look at Julia's after being expelled he is already crying bankruptcy . The president is so right, let's join the ANC, after all we all love Mandela, so in his honor. This is tradition

      KUSTAMK - 2013-01-14 18:52

      The ANC of Mandela died before him. Don't be cought in that Zuma trap. South Africa is new to corrupt Black officials. In fact if Mandela would read your comment he'd simply say Uphambene. Mamela was cast out because he was an uncontainable sell out.

      derek.francois.3 - 2013-01-14 19:29

      HA! HA! HA! HA! now I have heard it all dear "Comrade Mampara"...............Mandala must be so ashamed and embarrassed by the organization he founded which is a shadow of its former self.....................

  • ktheron2 - 2013-01-14 18:42

    The ANC, as usual, thrives on delusions of grandeur. That is their destiny.

  • justin.schonegevel - 2013-01-14 18:42

    I think any business will take advantage of any situation. Even if the ANC or DA was in power. It is seperate to state. If for now means that they work with the ANC, it does not mean they support them and will vote them. One must be of low education to be mind controlled by the ANC

  • leslie.erasmus.1 - 2013-01-14 18:57

    Abner malema.several black africans are more than confused by this culture u refer their comments

  • deonk - 2013-01-14 18:59

    Pot, kettle...

  • KUSTAMK - 2013-01-14 19:02

    Zuma did it again. He...mxm im too tired for this.

  • fairness.iseverything - 2013-01-14 19:04

    For once I support the DA on their point, in fact I also supported their previous point as well. Corruption does not benefit my childrens future, it promote's ineqaulity and crime. You will lose my vote...

  • nyakanyaka.nyakanyaka - 2013-01-14 19:05

    They knwo knowpublic, this is the tradition of the anc nd tsuma, if u differ u r in a wrong place nd aluta cotinua. Viva mallema viva

      dewaldmontgomery - 2013-01-15 07:30

      You're way behind the time. Your pathetic YL is now aligning it with Pugface. Which means Malema is a mongrel out in the desert.

  • lungile.ndyibithi - 2013-01-14 19:05

    Even though I bliv in the ANC if what the President said is the sentiments of the ANC then it will take forever for them to beat corruption

      dewaldmontgomery - 2013-01-15 07:31

      Exactly. Because in principle, what he said is: There is no such thing as corruption. In African tradition, we bribe people with government deals to vote for us. (i.e. the VERY DEFINITION OF corruption in the rest of the world).

  • ian.robertreid - 2013-01-14 19:09

    Actually ANC u r buying into favour's!! She may b correct ~ using culture is a means to an end??

  • riaan.w.vanwyk - 2013-01-14 19:15

    And the rest of the world is sitting back and shaking their heads in disbelief at the utterances made by our leaders. The ANC has proven their behaviour to be no different from the corrupt and backwards trends observed in the majority of Africa.

  • Mzondi Wakwa Maqina - 2013-01-14 19:15

    The question is where do you draw the line? How is giving back gonna differ to bribery in this case? We are not fools maaan. If they support ANC see they are guaranteed to get business! Is that what you mean?

  • KCorsar - 2013-01-14 19:15

    What BS!! African culture is the new flavour in use when trying to JUSTIFY their actions.

  • KCorsar - 2013-01-14 19:19

    By the way taxation is a western culture, how does that fit into the 'African Way' - my next tax payment will be in corn cobs, tomatoes and other subsistence crops. its called barter trade.

      themba.khumalo.520 - 2013-01-14 19:34

      You expose your lack of education by your comments. All governments, from the most primitive, worldwide, have some form of taxation, be it tribute, expropriation etc. The west alone did not make this world what it is now; a lot of other civilisations far removed from western thinking contributed scholastic, scientific, cultural and literary value to the vast educational pie that we all currently sup on.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2013-01-14 20:22

      Haven't you heard, you can pay your tax with all of that in ZoOrania, not in SA

      anthony.richardson.961 - 2013-01-14 20:35

      What's the going rate for a 7 sries BMW, about 20 head of cattle? Checked in Business Day but couldn't find the exchange rate?

      wim.kotze.9 - 2013-01-14 20:59

      Yes, in the heydays of the all black paradise in southern Africa, the respective kraals just looted their neighbors. Not much different from today, except its easier to steal from whites under the pretense of governance.

  • phillip.marchant.52 - 2013-01-14 19:37

    Well done, Jackson! Yes, nice work, Jackson! Is this the very best you can come up with, really? I thought Mac the Wife was the one credited with the wisdom of Solomon, to explain the unsurpassably dull-witted utterings of the fatuous Clown Prince? But I must say, this one may even have the heavyweight-champ perjurer grasping for words! There is precisely nothing 'African', nor 'cultural' about the critically incriminating remark, nor your comic lie. Do not insult the intelligence of South Africans by trying to justify the unjustifiable with racial or cultural innuendo - you might just end up in the same place some treasonous Zulu emperors and their mouthpieces are headed.

  • andrew.arnesen - 2013-01-14 19:45

    Ah, it reminds me of many of the churches' that insist that God will bless you if you give them your money... How, aside of some sort of spiritual insider knowledge that I am not privy to, and short of direct compensation, does supporting the ANC cause a business to prosper??? I really want to know because if it works, I would change my allegiance straight away!!!

  • rory.n.price - 2013-01-14 19:45

    Well Chippy has been rewarded in abundance,

  • zondra.hoffmann - 2013-01-14 20:19

    So now Mthembu has to come to Zuma's rescue. Where is Mac or has he run out of comments? If this was not tragic idiocy, it would be the joke of 2013!!

      Notrax123 - 2013-01-15 00:31

      Mac the "mirage" is as all mirages..... they tend to fade.

  • jnaledi1 - 2013-01-14 20:24

    Lucky enough Jackson was sober to come in for JZ,@ least Mac must also rest. Let's make sure He stays like that to be able to make up for pres

  • Billy - 2013-01-14 20:30

    "" wish them prosperity and abundance."" sounds very... ...chinese new masters teaching you old tricks jacob?

  • MJS1234 - 2013-01-14 20:35

    Quote: Businesses that support the ANC will prosper. THAT IS WHAT YOU SAID!!! You (JZ) have, in the last few weeks, insulted, and I hate using the word cause I still like to think of us as South Africans and not race groups, "lever blacks, westerns tendency blacks, hair straightening, dog owning blacks. In fact any person who has a dark skin and does not conform to your ideals, you call them names, unafrican etc. You have stolen so much from people who look up to you, I am so privileged because I was given a good education, I can see you talk crap. All this "whitey" wants is that you and your government give each and every citizen, EDUCATION, HEALTH CARE, AND A SOCIETY FREE FROM VIOLENT CRIME! Not too much really, is it?

      MJS1234 - 2013-01-14 21:31

      CLEVER, not lever...

  • Killbot79 - 2013-01-14 20:44

    Well since you put it like thaaaaaaat, you assume we are stupid Jackson, you dont even know what you are talking about.

  • willie.botha.9480 - 2013-01-14 20:57

    Really ? Again ? This verbal diarrhea is getting out of hand. I think it is time for an operation or enema to get all the crap out.

  • MJS1234 - 2013-01-14 21:04

    Firstly, I am not affiliated with any political party, but I do, as a mother of small children, who LOVES this country, take a huge intrest in politics, because I want my kids to have the best (as ALL parents do). I do find (recently) that the ANC have moved away from how to we give to people, to how can we take from people and all that criticize are against us. The DA are the main opposition, so their job is to be the watchdog of the government (and yes, i too get irritated by the constant criticism but that is their job) but where woud we be with out their voice? They give us balance, another side of story, THATS THEIR JOB!

  • musa.kamashobane - 2013-01-14 21:14

    Jackson Mthembu thinks that that every African is stupid like him, sies you criminal