ANC in trouble - Numsa

2012-06-05 12:17

Durban - The National Union of Metalworkers of South Africa (Numsa) believes the ruling African National Congress is in trouble and has left the masses leaderless.

This is according to a report by the Numsa secretariat that is due to be presented to the union's 9th national congress being held in Durban.

"Our honest view is that the movement of Oliver Tambo is in trouble ..." because it had failed to produce cadres who have "revolutionary consciousness to serve for no material gain".

The report said that Numsa had defended the ANC against the "unholy" alliance of the Congress of the People (Cope) and the Democratic Alliance (DA).

"We cannot continue with the current situation where the masses are leaderless."

Looking after the working class

It claimed that the ANC was failing to produce "revolutionary cadres" because of the country's capitalist system which bred corruption.

The report said that the ANC had a duty to look after the working class, which was its primary support base.

"Numsa is going to insist on the implementation of the revolutionary programme of the ANC, and the leadership elected in December must be a leadership that is equal to the task of implementing the Freedom Charter," it read.

Numsa had a good relationship with the ANC, "but we can also say boldly that we have had some difficulties at certain times with some key leaders of the ANC".

The leaders were not specified.

Tripartite alliance

The leadership of the SA Communist Party (SACP) and the Congress of the SA Trade Unions (Cosatu) were not spared.

"It has been a historical problem of the working class that almost always, when individuals get into leadership positions in the ANC from either the revolutionary socialist trade union federation Cosatu or the SACP, for some strange reason they tend to want to surpass the right-wing in the ANC in bashing the working class and their formations," the report read.

Numsa also expressed concern at the alliance between the ANC, Cosatu and the SACP.

"The alliance seems to be plunged into so much internal conflict and factionalism."

It lamented the fact that this had happened when the "secretariat" of the alliance members were "experienced communists".

Without naming the secretariat, "for all intents and purposes, the alliance under their watch is quite dysfunctional".

ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe is also chairperson of the SACP, while Minister of Higher Education and Training, Blade Nzimande, is the SACP's general secretary.

Numsa would, according to the report, be demanding a review "of the post- Polokwane functioning of the alliance".

  • anthro45 - 2012-06-05 12:22

    But at the end of the day you still vote for them.

      Jono - 2012-06-05 12:36

      The problems wont change if the ANC remains the ruling party! vote for a new ruling party for a better RSA! i have no sympathy for those who vote for the ANC and suffer to survive!

      francois.smith.7 - 2012-06-05 12:40

      This is absolutely great coming from Numsa - if the ANC can get a leadership that will try to implement the freedom Charter, it implies that the Constitution will require change - and for that you will need at least the 66.67% but for those that NUMSA wants it is 75% - thus hopefully this will cause strong division in the ANC and its membership. Then if Numsa is to anti - capitalism, I think that the first resolution they must get to pass as new policy is the reduction of all members of the ANC to minimum wage and only use of public schooling and health for them.

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-05 12:42

      @Steen - you mean even at the expense of the entire country? That's not loyalty, that's called stupidity. It's also called racism. But OK, what about a 'Black' government that isn't a bunch of corrupt crooks? Would you vote for them? Because that's all we want - a government that can actually govern instead of dragging our country through the mud.

      John - 2012-06-05 12:44

      Steen, there is no party these days dominated by whites except in your narrow mind. You deserved to be crapped on for the rest of your life but don't include me.

      Loo - 2012-06-05 12:46

      Be carefull what you wish for guys .. NUMSA .. is a communist movement. Last thing we want is the commies to take over. Well even be more screwed

      Henri - 2012-06-05 12:47

      They were headless to start off with.

      NrGx - 2012-06-05 12:49

      @Steen - and theres the BIGGEST problem SA is facing, you, and people like you STILL vote along racial lines. Yes, apartheid was horrific, and yes, it will take time to heal, can we move forward if we keep looking back? The fear that apartheid will return is just PROPOGANDA spread by the anc to stay in power. Remember the whites also voted to abolish apartheid, we also suffered (I admit, not as bad as africans), and we saw your suffering. Rememeber what Mandela fought for!.... so that YOU have a choice, now that you do, why not use that freedom to benefit YOU and YOUR family AND the whole of SA. It just does not make sense to continue like this! for ALL our sakes, live for tomorrow, not for yesterday.

      Jono - 2012-06-05 13:04

      Ova...go stand at the robot and beg for bread buddy! thats what your black goverment has done for you!!! our mixed goverment will sort this out but you to stupid to pick it up! you wouldnt even know if a good thing has smacked you in the face!

      NrGx - 2012-06-05 13:05

      @OvaprivilegedWhitey - left, right, up, down, black, white, pink, blue.... none of this matters if theres nothing left. Is this what you want for YOUR children? Is this the legacy you wish to leave behind? Do you want to set an example for you children on how to better than previous generations, or do you want to be seen and nothing better than past? ITS TIME! - make your choice, not for me, not for them...BUT FOR YOUR CHILDREN and your CHILDRENS CHILDREN.

      Jacqui - 2012-06-05 13:06

      Yes and we all know NUMSA want everything nationalized, free. There goes Pick and Pay.

      John - 2012-06-05 13:07

      One of the reasons I enjoyed the book 'The Lord of the Ring' is that it iterated how no man can be trusted to be alone with so much power. They begin with noble ideas and the best of intentions, but with so much power in their hands, the seduction to take short cuts in the name of good is great. Pure capitalism is most definitely not perfect. Communism has failed dismally, and the examples from around the world abound. The corruption in government, is not so much the fault of capitalism, but a lack of balance of power. The ANC stands unopposed, it's cadres drunk with power getting fat off tax money instead of channeling it to cure the ills of the poor. Making the ANC more 'revolutionary' is a euphemism for taking a communist approach. Where under a para-capitalist system the ANC has a lot of power and little opposition, a communist system will guarantee they have absolute power. If Numsa think their comrades will suddenly become more honest, and less seduced by power under a communist system, they are really ignorant and short-sighted. ANC will have more unopposed power under communism, and no one will be able to say anything of how they exercise that power - not their opposition and not even their followers. Everyone will only be able to hope they do the right thing and be at their mercy. Numsa zealots are truly blind.

      Wendy - 2012-06-05 13:07

      @Steen - you mean that if a party 'dominated' by whites could give you: jobs, clean water, good roads, housing, reliable electricity and decent education for your children, you would still vote for the ANC? Yes? Then you deserve what you vote for.

      Bob - 2012-06-05 13:12

      Steen, you have been brain washed by your ANC, this country will never be governed by a white majority party, the DA are a black majority party, trust me I'm a white guy and every single one of the ruling government can be black , very few of us could care less what colour the government is, we just want them to do their job properly and stop their corruption, unfortunately as long as you keep voting the ANC into power they will continue to fail in every way.

      Matthew - 2012-06-05 13:14

      @ Steen & @Nigel: I could not care less whether the okes runing this country were green,blue,purple or pink.Really now,sticking to racial tendencies...F that.Dosnt matter what race or colour the buggers are AS LONG as they arnt corrupt like our current government at the moment. AS LONG as its capable people not seeking to deepen their pockets by stealing from the people,then who the hell cares what long as they do their job honestly and with the peoples interest at heart,not their wallets.

      peter.gugelmin - 2012-06-05 13:27

      In reply to Steen. You are a racist and you have no clue how democracy works!

      tcCarla - 2012-06-05 13:36

      The problem is that there is no other viable party for the majority of blacks to vote for. A party they can identify with. the ANC needs some healty compition to keep democracy alive. The scariest remark I ever heard was - I was talking to a black friend who complained about his Police case (been robbed twice) files just dissappearing. I asked but why do you keep on voting for the ANC and he said the ANC is the only party that wont bring back apartheid. I almost fell off my chair. unfortunately most blacks believe this. Guys, Apartheid was voted out by whites in a referendum, the majority of whites voted for change.

      John - 2012-06-05 13:44

      @tcCarla: I understand the fears, but I guess I won't understand the apartheid fears to the extent a black person would. The ANC continue to use this real fear to keep their voting public. They are very well aware that your friend's sentiment is shared by literally millions. All they see in Zille is a white face. The vast majority don't know that Zille fought against the apartheid regime as well, alongside other freedom fighters. It's both an irony and a huge slap in the face when ANC followers accuse her of being racist, and worst of all fear her bringing back apartheid. Other issue issue is that she is a woman - culturally, most black men will not be seen dead following a woman. Gender issues are enormous. It's a very sticky situation I'm afraid. And ignorance abounds.

      James - 2012-06-05 13:50

      @OvaprivilegedWhitey aka johnsloan what a prize idiot and racist you are .Carry on with your stupidity and sa will become Zimbobwe. As*wi*e.

      Christopher - 2012-06-05 13:59

      @Steen....I also will never vote for a party that is dominated by Blacks, never. Whites forever!

      Bryan - 2012-06-05 14:06

      Yeah@Ovapriveledged/JohnSloan... You can change your name but your stupidity is here to stay cuzzie... Have a sign, and a banana!!

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-05 14:09

      @ Matthew - exactly my point.

      Oom - 2012-06-05 14:10

      Steen, You sound like a clever ouk...What do you think will happen should the ANC loose to anouther party...what will happen ..??

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-06-05 14:15

      Yes, Steen, I guess that means whites should never vote for a party that is dominates by blacks, then? Idiot. Stop voting based on COLOUR. Vote with your brains. If you have any.

      rowen.loretz - 2012-06-05 14:31

      the majority of South Africans are brain-washed. They will continue to vote ANC cause they don't know better. Hopefully the more educated they become the better as hopefully they will change their mindsets. Africa has alot to learn. If they want to stay afloat and participate in the global village they have no choice but to change their mindsets. Vote anything with some brains....please!

      tshifhiwa.vandermunalisi - 2012-06-05 14:32

      Whether you white people vote for ANC or not, we all know what the results would be, keep on voting for Madam the masses will keep voting for ANC until we get it right, Rome was not built in one day, Martin Luther King had a dream and that dream was realized when he was long gone. We believe in our ANC and it is for this reason that we will keep on voting for them until they govern the way we want. It took 400+ years for you white people to acquire wealth from your apartheid system; we only have 18 and still left with 382 years so with time we will get it right.

      bertie.brink - 2012-06-05 14:32

      @Steen anything other than ANC will be better for all in south africa. ANC has been in power for almost 20 years and only good leader who did something for the people was Mandela he united us showed us the way we even went against all odds won a world cup because simply he believed in the players. if we have the same belief in each other imagine what we can achieve. ANC leaders have grown greedy, its time for a change to move forward in life with unity!

      Christopher - 2012-06-05 14:33

      anc in trouble-Numsa South Africa in trouble- South Africans

      chikunga - 2012-06-05 14:59

      sorry Christopher ANC doenst need white votes,maybe white money, companies or mines but not their votes.there is enough votes from blacks currently

      Cameron - 2012-06-05 15:07

      You mean 50 years inequality steen..get it right! Apartheid was not around for 400 years!! i dont know where u gwaps get ur facts from!

      Adam - 2012-06-05 16:19

      anc will be better suited as an opposition party, where they can learn how to run a country. DA is mostly black, but I will vote for them.

      Loo - 2012-06-05 16:36

      @ovapriviledgedwhitey .. BTW the ANC has moved from left to right wing in context. Use it lose it, who cares

      rowen.loretz - 2012-06-05 19:57

      @ Steen. You may have the fooled masses vote for the ANC, but you surely don't seem welcome on news24 with all those thumbs down. Why don't you find some other site to express your view. We want positive constructive views based on fact, not on some fairy tale. Take a hike

      Kenny - 2012-06-05 20:06

      @Anthro45...Who do you think we should vote for if there's no alternative?

      Kenny - 2012-06-05 20:07

      @John...We were "crapped on" for 350 years!

      John - 2012-06-05 20:53

      @Kenny: anyone but the ANC. ANC Needs opposition to balance its power.

  • dennis.vermaak.5 - 2012-06-05 12:26

    Wake up all South Aficans - vote these idiots out ASAP !!!

      Sganja - 2012-06-05 12:45

      Who are `these idiots`?

      Felix - 2012-06-05 12:55

      Sganja, stop trolling beech. I see steen is back at it too. Do you guys go to the same kindergarten as Polywolydonkeytroll?

      Alan - 2012-06-05 12:59

      @SganjaTroll -the anc/cosatu/sacp alliance.

      TSOTSI Smilification - 2012-06-05 13:08

      Sgnanja- Trolling again? Geezeee, get a life!

      Bob - 2012-06-05 13:16

      Sganja, there is only one political party that are voted in, so ask yourself, who do you think Deeteem is referring to, it's the corrupt government that you and like minded people have voted into power, how much more evidence of failure does it take before you realise you have voted an unworthy party into government.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-06-05 14:18

      Of course you're an idiot. You've fallen for fairy tales for almost 20 years. Half the time the NP has governed since taking over from the colonialists. Wake up, be brave, do something different. You might just be surprised.

      balan.morgen - 2012-06-05 15:03

      @Sganja, not idiots but IDIOT and thats YOU.

      John - 2012-06-05 15:25

      'troll': 9. slang (computing) a person who submits deliberately inflammatory articles to an internet discussion cite:

      Nicolaas - 2012-06-05 18:22

      @DOMSGANJA, you and the rest of the ALL NATIONAL CRIMINAL PARTY SUPPOTAS and then you really have the decency to come and ask the most stupidist question here on a public forum! You clearly dispalying your lack of WESTERN CAPE education!

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-06-05 12:28

    From what I understand it seems like NUMSA agree with what Moeletsi Mbeki said few weeks back.

  • lulama - 2012-06-05 12:28

    Then lets not vote for them.

  • Riad - 2012-06-05 12:30

    you reap what you sow...........

  • Henk - 2012-06-05 12:31

    Nothing wrong with the ANC when I read this article...More like the masses who wants everything for free again!

      Jean - 2012-06-05 12:42

      ANC is not a threat, it's their little side kicks like numsa, ancyl, cosatu etc. Their the ones that are talking a lot of nonsense and influencing their members.

      Jacqui - 2012-06-05 13:26

      Craig, what you work for rightfully belong to you. Stop waiting for free handouts it won't bring you selfrespect.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-05 13:52

      Craig, when you look at a chop on the braai it must be like looking into a mirror hey.

      bertie.brink - 2012-06-05 14:07

      @ Craig living in the past... this is why south africa will always fall behind. never want to work together for a better tomorrow cause you guys are too focused on the past.

      Nicolaas - 2012-06-05 18:28

      @Craig, you mean to tell me that they allowed you to study at the NIDD, NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR DOM DONNERS! What PHD do doing now, HOW TO STAY STUPID FORVER 101?

      Charnelle - 2012-06-05 19:53

      @Craig, how can you say you can not go forward without going backwards? Yet your the one using the past as ammunition? I have the right to safety and security as a citizen? What happens if I use the same mentality as you?

      Charnelle - 2012-06-06 17:55

      @ Craig, your up at 2:02? You ask what threatens me? Extremist warmongering individuals who keep on posting racial threats. Numsa is moaning about the ANC and then you go off trolling about the white government and and and. Tell me Craig do you by any chance have a problem with women too? Or is it just white women?

  • Hermann - 2012-06-05 12:33

    The Freedom Charter (full of socialist jargon) was aimed at removing apartheid which happened eventually. Now apartheid is gone and they are living according to a Free Charter which must only be put to paper - The Free to Take Charter.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-05 13:53

      Craig - how about a nice, luke warm cup of shut the f up :-)

      Nicolaas - 2012-06-06 01:23

      @DOMCRAIG!Do you have a boyfriens, if yes then please do SA a favor and drowned both of you in the kitchen sink, if not, please go and play with your blow up doll that looks like your grandmother!

  • Sharon - 2012-06-05 12:35

    forget about revolution and start building a future you prick - numsa= empty barrel making the same noise over and over

  • Don.Tandy - 2012-06-05 12:36

    Anarchy Nepotism Corruption. You reap what you sow.

  • mariuskowie - 2012-06-05 12:37

    I agree with most of the NUMSA statement. What I cannot agree with is "country's capitalist system which bred corruption" The ANC is falling apart because of sheer greed and power hunger. They are protecting their money harvesting structures with cadre deployment and by keeping the masses as uneducated as they can possibly get away with. This is resulting in massive incompetence entering the ANC ranks at the expense of the skilled. How long do they (the ANC) think that they can maintain such a lopsided and self destructive system?

  • Allan - 2012-06-05 12:37

    Numsa now is the time to break away from the ANC and start the Labour Party and take with you all like thinking unions within Cosatu. Why not be masters of your own destiny?

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-06-05 14:18

      Now that's a good idea.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-06-05 14:18

      The ANC is a movement, not a party, after all.

      Dianne - 2012-06-06 09:44

      @dewaldmontgomery......a bowel movement I think!

  • Phelamanga - 2012-06-05 12:43

    The ANC is in trouble because its leaders have continued to live in the past - a mythologised past that has no real bearing on the present. They cling to outmoded and retrospective thinking in the belief that it can still work in the 21st century. What is evident, though, is that there seems to be a fear that the business-minded leaders of the ANC will emerge triumphant after Mangaung, and these left-leaning, Leninist-Marxist organisations will begin to see the power they have through their imposition of the puppet Zuma begin to dissolve rapidly, which will eventually lead to these organisations being consigned to the scrapheap of history along with the Soviet Union, and their leaders having to justify a lifetime promoting a failed ideology. Corruption cannot be blamed on capitalism because these comrades are today's corrupt breed.

      Alan - 2012-06-05 13:03

      Well said TrueBlue. But I am not sure that the ruling lot even think past today? Seems like instant self enrichment is the order of the day.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-06-05 14:22

      Yes, they just celebrated 100 years. But the bad news is that they won't make 150. There's not a single 'revolutionary party' on this continent that survived so long. Mostly because their people were bright enough to see past rhetoric. We have a problem here, though, because we're stuck with people who vote based on loyalty and false hope rather than bravery and real hope. All about fairy tales. Yeah, the DA will bring back the dompas. Yeah, the DA will bring back the death penalty. Yeah, the DA will take away your subsidy (yeah, actually they might, because they might create a job and you might actually have to work). Yeah, the DA will protect 'white capital' and 'white interests'. Hellloooo. There are only so many white people's interests to protect. Wake up. Become active in your local DA branch, and you might be surprised.

  • nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-05 12:45

    Well I don't think this country needs "revolutionary cadres", we just need proper leaders / statesmen instead of a bunch of militant thugs.

      Alan - 2012-06-05 13:01

      forget it Nigel ... to the mindsets of the masses, having a sustainable economy never enters the equation. With inflamatory leaders, they will 'buy' whatever is told to them, not having thre ability to see past their noses. baaaaaa baaaaa

  • Mbambo - 2012-06-05 12:47

    The ruling party was so damn good under Mbeki's administration. Combrades were blind-folded, used and he was recalled. In no time, ANC and the country as a whole will be ruled by the KZN Kingdom. When Malema says, "Some current ANC leaders are behaving like Dictators", and hence he was expelled. SA Citizens are becoming voiceless by day. This is how the crisis and turmoil started in most of our neighbouring African countries.

  • Tax - 2012-06-05 12:50

    Any country that is governed by a party that has alliances with a trade union and a communist movement will be in trouble.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-06-05 14:23

      Absolutely. Because they constantly try to multiply wealth by dividing it.

  • Duma - 2012-06-05 12:51

    Spot on Numsa, but it is such times that revolutionary movements of your caliber unite against the capitalists and all those who languish and see things as normal in an unequal society , and put a stop to the abuse of these ill gotten gains.

      Tax - 2012-06-05 12:56

      How are capitalists the enemy? Capitalists are the people who provide employment and manufacture products for consumers. The only ill gotten gains were gained by corrupt government officials. Capitalists work to gain. Socialists and communists just expect to be given.

      Phelamanga - 2012-06-05 13:07

      The state can never create enough jobs to employ the millions of unemployed. There is only one way to lift people out of poverty is to help them create their own wealth through small businesses and home industries. These mini-capitalist ventured will ensure that people have their pride restored and this will stimulate the economy. The society is unequal because the present rulers choose to keep it unequal. It's not the capitalists who are wealthy, it's our government ministers and union leaders. They are the ones who want to implement policies that protect themselves.More direct investment is needed which can create work for more people. Socialism is littered with people who have lived the lifestyles of emperors while the people starved - 20 million under Stalin while he languished in his dacha on the Black Sea.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-06-05 14:26

      Sorry to say, but half the monopolies in this country, yes those who hamper growth and job creation, and let YOU suffer in the end, are controlled by your pathetic excuse of an ANC-government. SAA? In trouble. SABC? In trouble. ESKOM? In trouble. Telkom? In trouble. Transnet? In trouble. State hospitals? In trouble. Perhaps if you open up to real competition (i.e. controllde capitalism) where business FIGHT each other for profit, and therefore only the ones with the best products and services and best value for money for YOU AND ME, things might change. Communism hasn't work. Hyper-capitalism won't work either. That's the reason MOST 'capitalist' countries settle for something in between.

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-06-05 12:51

    The real issue at play on the ground is the shift of conscience by a growing and much broader section of the South African populace which the incumbent parties who claim to be the ruling party have forgotten that the workers seek good governance. It is not about having a leader anymore, it is about having service.

  • Clinton - 2012-06-05 12:52

    @Steen, why won't you vote for a white party.....Anyway now days there is no such thing as a white party.If you look at all the african involement in such parties, you will see it is not a white party.

  • brionyl.french - 2012-06-05 12:53

    We as the educated masses need to go out and speak to the uneducated and explain to them that they are where they are because the ANC couldnt care about them.... They just want to get fat and live in SANDTON

  • japie.bezuidenhout - 2012-06-05 12:59

    Wake-up to all DON'T vote ANC

      sifiso.msimango - 2012-06-06 16:19

      you are dreaming, sa majority will vote anc until jesus throws the towel

  • Jacqui - 2012-06-05 13:04

    Yes and if the big man from NUMSA take over from Vavi we are all in for far more than trouble, that's for sure.

      Hadebe - 2012-06-05 15:36

      Not all of us, just you n yo volks.

  • Winifred - 2012-06-05 13:05

    Blade most of what you say is correct, and I agree we need a new leader, somebody that does not owe favours or have hangers on. We need a leader that will right the ship, work for the good of the people and the country and not for self gain. We all know Zuma was used for a purpose, to gain the uppper hand in kwazulu natal, this was achieved, but other than that he has been a very weak leader and he came to power with a corrupt record, He owed to many favours and he has been played by the puppet masters. During, this time much damage has been done. We are not pointing a finger at zuma it is the majority of his cabinet. Tell us the truth, who can run a dept like education and health is being run and not do something contructive about it. Everything government has touched has turned sour. There is sure to be an explosion soon and they are too busy trying to plug the holes (leaks). We need a new leader, who will take control, throw out the whole darn cabinet and start a fresh, somebody we can trust, because at the moment we south africans cannot trust anything that is being said, It can happen, so choose very wisely and tread carefully.

  • Raymaree - 2012-06-05 13:05

    I am so sick and tired of the ANC hanging on the anti-white banner to keep their votes. There is more racism among the many black tribes in South Africa, especially between Zulu and Xhosa. Besides all that, the ANC under Jacob Zuma has ruined this beautiful country of ours. We need a government that is for the people (all the people, white included) and the country, not their own bank balances and fast cars.

  • - 2012-06-05 13:06

    this is no offence to fellow black peeps. but let's be honest, in most cases, not all, where a black person is put in charge everything falls out of place. they become greedy and forget why they are in that position in the first place. all they wanna do is amass themselves with wealth. now the point is, since the anc took over things have gotten worse. yes, there was liberation but what is liberation when i sleep on an empty stomach? what is liberation when ministers play with taxpayers' money? is corruption liberation? have our current leaders liberated us or are we just modern slaves? i'd rather be in a country where inhabitants are priority than be liberated. we need intelligent leaders and not these comrades who feel entitled and make us think we're indebted to them. the anc's conduct constitutes extortion. their time in power has elapsed.

      Bob - 2012-06-05 13:25

      Well said tshepo, please get your point across to the brain washed masses that believe the ANC is someday going to improve their lot, it is not in the ANC's interest to promote better education in this country, the day that happens then their days are numbered, the majority will see the failures of the present government and the massive corruption.

      Jacqui - 2012-06-05 13:29

      Tshepo, words of wisdom. Thanks.

      Susan - 2012-06-05 13:30

      If only more people thought like you do, things would be so much better! The ANC is forever playing the race card, when in fact the majority of white people doesnt give a crap about the colour of a person, just as long as he or she is efficient at what they do.

      butch.poulter - 2012-06-05 13:49

      Tshepo for president

      georgebrightons - 2012-06-05 13:51

      Tshepo, go to dept. Of social development and get a grant, you won't sleep hungry. Go to any ANC branch, you will get a bursary to study at tertiary level. Go and get RDP house for free. What more do you want Tshepo? Isn't a black leadership good Tshepo! Think twice brother!

      Bob - 2012-06-05 14:59

      tshepo = intelligent person able to form his own opinions, not looking for free RDP house, willing to work for his assetts, winner. george notsobrightons = lazy person, happy to do no work, no ambition, just sit and wait for free handouts, loser.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-06-05 15:08

      10000% agree Tshepo

      pierre.coetzee.7 - 2012-06-05 15:27

      @George, all I hear is go GET this and GET that!!!! Nowhere you speak about working for a future to look after your family, your children!!You realy think this gravytrain are going to be there forever??? Dont be surprised my china!!!

  • Ryno - 2012-06-05 13:06

    the problem in SA - to many people wanting to be in power

      Jacqui - 2012-06-05 13:30

      Ryno, too may people wanting everything for nothing.

      Bob - 2012-06-05 15:02

      Jacqui, correct, just read above that loser george notsobrightons, he is very typical of the kind of person holding this country back.

      Hadebe - 2012-06-05 15:17

      And by your comments u pushing it forward?

  • Senzo Mathebula - 2012-06-05 13:07

    Numsa, SACP and Cosatu must just shut up. They complain abt leadership problems and then endorse the very same leadership for re-election.

      Tax - 2012-06-05 13:09

      Thats true.

      Hadebe - 2012-06-05 15:12

      Aw! shut up

  • Jacqui - 2012-06-05 13:09

    Ovapriviledged, there will be suffering blacks as long as blacks want to stay victims and suffer. Radical left enriched the rich and screwed the poor. Roll up the sleeves, get going and regain your selfrespect and make a success of your life, that is the only way to go.

  • Phuti - 2012-06-05 13:10

    First it was Tokyo and now NUMSA so maybe, just maybe, we r turning in the right direction. This 'Pirates of Polokwane' must be taken to task

  • ziphok1 - 2012-06-05 13:13

    Who are they blaming for that? If they not happy with the ANC why they stil have to be in alliance? Maybe they must form the Labour Party. The weaker the ANC means the victory for everyone.

  • Steve - 2012-06-05 13:17

    What businesses have the anc /cosatu and numsa actually started which employs people .

  • Vaughan - 2012-06-05 13:19

    Watched the comrades on the weekend and as they ran into Durban there was a huge sign commemorating the ANC's centenary with the words selfless struggle heros. I almost fell off my chair laughing. I can't think of any bunch of people more greedy than ANC leaders.

  • stefventerza - 2012-06-05 13:23

    Normal as always, have not yet seen any party you have not enrich themselfs and not step on the workers class en not working people. They promise all but give very little but words. Show me one party who has so far give jobs to all, How many jobs has been lost since???? I dont beliefe there is any party that can creat jobs for all and stop corruption, murder, and and most the criminal activities. Whether it is white, non white party, does not matter. The most important is to have a proper goverment, that does not take the side off criminals, does not spend billions on court cases, investigations and personal luxuries. Every body talks, but still we all suffer. Then money is spend on meetings, holidays, seminars and still nothing is solved. Show me a leading party that can solve all within a year. I doubt. And yet they want to have a say in other countries doings if they cant even solve their own.

  • Sonja - 2012-06-05 13:37

    NUMSA boss didnt get his payoff!! now he's pissed

  • pmalungana - 2012-06-05 13:38

    All we need is the eradication of tendepreneur and replace it with real jobs in order for people to have job security and build sustainable families. We are now living in a economy that breeds temporary job opportunities, if any.We need a radical shift in the economic system

  • wisani.mathonsi1 - 2012-06-05 13:44

    The ANC, which is the home of Oliver Tambo has been in trouble ever since Zuma took office, In his term he has forgotten the mass which put him into the position, he has supressed the views of the hopeless by telling them its going to be ok and he knows what his doing. The spear must go!!

  • Oom - 2012-06-05 13:45

    I have never fully understood why the black voter will continue to vote for the ANC just because.... Surley to goodness there must be something inside your head that says...WHY..?? at some stage of your life..?? Why on earth would ANYBODY vote for the party thats done absolutly NOTHING for you except talk..?? What am I missing here..what should I know about..?? Maybe I should vote for them too, I just cant see how they have earned my vote, or that of the poor, hungry, homeless, uneducated masses... What makes these millions of people defy every level of logic, and keep them in parliment..WHAT ...??? Surley at some or other stage one looks at ones circumstances and says...ENOUGH..lets give the next one a chance, this ones no good...Why carry on and on and on flogging the same old dead horse...I just don’t get it...EISH..!

      tc.convulvulous - 2012-06-05 14:12

      Oom, Those are the inteligent, questions that you ask. Those are the questions that a so-called democracy is built on. I also fail to see logic or answers in what happens in SA! The absence of logic is what is destroying this once-beautiful country, destroying the hope we all had. It is the absence of that logic that makes the poor even poorer, and the ANC plunderers even richer. It is the absence of that logic which is behind a posting above that says "I dont care for the poor, they voted it on themselves." But, well, who cares?

      Musawenkosi - 2012-06-05 14:18

      @OOM I think I have the answer to your question , it is a lack of knowledge (ignorance) and not stupidity. If you look at Africa as a whole most leaders cling o nto power for along long time like our Zim. The people who led the struggle (regarded as heros) against colonialism behave like scientist in the laboratory and the people are expected to behave like helpless chemicals. If you look at South Africa we are already in a Hero Land and this philosophy called Heroisim is a way of thinking that makes multitudes believe that their political and economic fates depend on benevolence of special individuals in the society who possess extraordinary abilities and powers that are beyond what ordinary citizens can do. These liberation movement turned ruling political parties blows the trumpet of liberation politics.

      Oom - 2012-06-06 17:26

      Craig, Mmmm, maybe something in what you say... it’s still very frustrating hearing them mouth off about how cool they are and how useless we are..yet we don’t seem to see the shacks getting any less, or the schools popping up when and where necessary, or the hospitals etc...why not..?? Do we expect too much from the government..? I agree that the DA would probably not be able to govern the country. The masses would never allow it, even if it did do a good job.Yet,I am an Africa, white, but African.This is my home too.

      Oom - 2012-06-07 13:17

      Hell Craig, Im not sure what you mean...?? In the 80's, there were little of no shacks on the Cape Flats, Langa, Guguletu...that’s about all I remember.?? The shacks came when the ANC needed voters in the Cape. About being cool, well, I suppose the DA is cool, that’s why they do it...but what gives the other bunch the right to think that they are also cool, I’ll never know..! lol

  • Triumphant - 2012-06-05 13:55

    This is the result of absolute power: "Our honest view is that the movement of Oliver Tambo is in trouble ..." because it had failed to produce cadres who have "revolutionary consciousness to serve for no material gain". Absolute power, corrupts absolutely! And people regardless of the system get corrupt becuase said salary is not enought vs all the bribes on offer. Interestingly, European study shows that police for example not taking bribes is a moral principle issue solidified while still in training and in the long run no amount of perks or salary increases will curb corruption. Once corrupted always corrupt - like cancer, you gotta cut IT OUT!

  • Harry - 2012-06-05 13:58

    The whole heart of these values is contradictory and ignores human nature. That's why its not working. It's impossible. It only will run until the taxpayer revolts.

  • mary.morreira - 2012-06-05 14:03

    The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

  • amanda.ntshwanti - 2012-06-05 14:04

    Most black people still think if they dont vote for ANC it means they will be betraying Madiba or apartheid government will come back I dont know why they think like that but I feel awareness is needed to our communities, even my child minder was thinking like that I had to explain and I'm'talking about someone who's got a matric I think ANC has brainwashed our brothers and sisters and we dont necessarily have to vote for DA if we not comfortable with the decision just another party to keep ANC on their toes, but there's still a long way to go.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-06-05 15:12

      10000%, The ANC have brainwashed many into believing that the DA will bring back apartheid, nothing is further from the truth, the DA would be 100 times better at running the country than the ANC is now. Either way we need a strong black leader to take the reins, not these weak, corrupt, selfish people that are trying to please these communists.

      ptmakgato - 2012-06-06 07:08

      How do u suggest this to be done Amanda? Cos I'm with u on this one, but not DA though lol

      amanda.ntshwanti - 2012-06-06 09:37

      @ptmakgato you can look at other oppositions and speak to other people who also vote for ANC for all the wrong reasons explain that they dont have to vote for it, we have other parties who also participate in the elections they can look for one that they think will be at least better or suit their needs, that will reduce ANC winning % and maybe just maybe they will realise that people are not happy with their services and start doing what they were voted for or with luck lose the votes to govern.

  • tc.convulvulous - 2012-06-05 14:04

    What ANC is in trouble? There is no ANC, only the name, a stained 'brand' of something that existed in the past. The so-called ANC exists only in the COSATU and SACP alliance. There is no more ANC.

  • georgebrightons - 2012-06-05 14:05

    The ANC of Oliver Tambo is not about factionalism and individualism. ANC owes no-one nothing. Join ANC volutanrily and if not satisfied , leave peacefully for greener pastures somewhere! ANC is not and it will never ever be in crisis, only bloody agents who were sent to destabilise the ANC. ANC will survive and it will rule RSA forever!

      Oom - 2012-06-05 14:09

      What will happen if they (ANC) loose the next election..?? What do you think will happen George..??

      georgebrightons - 2012-06-05 14:20

      Oom! Exile again!

      bertie.brink - 2012-06-05 14:29

      George no need for exile.... anything other than ANC will be better for all in south africa. ANC has been in power for almost 20 years and only good leader who did something for the people was Mandela he united us showed us the way we even went against all odds won a world cup because simply he believed in the players. if we have the same belief in each other imagine what we can achieve. ANC leaders have grown greedy, its time for a change to move forward in life with unity!

      indianajohn - 2012-06-05 14:31


      vuyani.zondi - 2012-06-05 16:54

      Goergebrighton comrades likes u are the one that killing our beloved organisation bcoz of your tribilist tendency, under this leadership we can not raise issues that we are not happy with, comrades like u

      vuyani.zondi - 2012-06-05 16:55

      Goergebrighton comrades likes u are the one that killing our beloved organisation bcoz of your tribilist tendency, under this leadership we can not raise issues that we are not happy with, comrades like u

      Oom - 2012-06-07 11:42

      Hi George. I respect your opinion, as long as it does not involve or insight violence. There will be NO need for exile should the DA win, it’s simply not true. They will not bring back apartheid, that I will promise you. That is just propaganda nonsense. We, white people, don’t want segregation, ever again. Been there done that, never going to happen again. I’m afraid, it is the ANC who are dividing our nation and our people on grounds of our colour, not white people this time, and not the DA. Think carefully before you believe the propaganda spread by the ruling party and their buddies. Make up your own mind, think for yourself. Don’t be told what to think.. Remember, we are as scared of the ANC as you are of the DA. Should we be scared...what do you think George..??

  • nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-06-05 14:06

    Stopped reading this rubbish when it got to "unholy alliance" of COPE & the DA......brainwashed idiots, but they are right about the power drunk ANC, they have FAILED THE PEOPLE!!

  • nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-06-05 14:13

    first it was opportunist demagogue Malema that took advantage of the leadership vacuum, now it looks like Numsa wants to exploit the lack of leadership in the useless ANC.

  • leko.dada1 - 2012-06-05 14:13

    My salute to Numsa...

  • valkyriaza - 2012-06-05 14:14

    NUMSA wouldn't know what revolutionary means. They also wouldn't know comnunism even if it him them in the face. They are a union, they should stick to organising people to strike instead of meddling in politics. They're only complaining when ANC refuses to give them a bigger slice of the pie - they probably think it is unfair that COSATU gets more.

  • ricardo.capazorio - 2012-06-05 14:15

    Im reading all of these comments about who is ideates or racist or not! The proof is in the pudding and all ANC supporters should have realized by now that the ANC government is failing our country! To vote for another party except the ANC won’t make you a racist! It will mean you are starting to use your brain and that you understand what it means to make an intelligent democratic decision that will lead to a better life for all of us. It is the ANC government themselves who are the racists and not the opposition!

      ptmakgato - 2012-06-06 06:57

      U right but what ensures one that the next party will do better? I've seen a lot comments from whites and I'm now convinced that the majority are racists. Which party do u think will do any better?

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-06-06 08:52

      @ ptmakgato, where is the black opposition. By voting for the DA, you would not be putting them in power, you would be reducing the ANC's power, you would sending the ANC a message that they had better stop being corrupt & useless & start doing their jobs, besides the DA would do 100% percent better than the ANC, & no, they won't bring back apartheid. So a vote for the DA is a warning to the ANC, this is how you should see it.

  • vuyani.zondi - 2012-06-05 14:18

    I attended a momorial lecture of solomon mahlanu

  • vuyani.zondi - 2012-06-05 14:20

    I attended a momorial lecture of solomon mahlanu

  • Ze Don - 2012-06-05 14:21

    Why are they surprised? After all communism has always worked this way, the leaders live like royalty and the workers are peasants! As for capitalism causing corruption, it's like saying wet roads cause rain! If they had morals the wouldn't be so corrupt!