ANC irked, lets loose on Shivambu

2012-04-16 18:49

Johannesburg - ANC Youth League spokesperson Floyd Shivambu's criticism of Cyril Ramaphosa smacks of ill-discipline, the ANC said on Monday.

"The African National Congress is appalled at the crude, uncouth, disrespectful, and insulting attack," party spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said in a statement.

In an article published on Sunday, Shivambu questioned Ramaphosa's motives for punishing ANCYL leader Julius Malema.

"This attack is both mischievous, disingenuous, and smacks of ill-discipline," said Mthembu.

Ramaphosa is the chairperson of the ANC's national disciplinary committee of appeals (NDCA).

Malema is currently appealing his expulsion from the party. He was expelled from the ANC in November 2011 for sowing division in the party and bringing it into disrepute.

Shivambu wrote that Ramaphosa had sacrificed his principles.

"We initially did not know what the real reasons why Cyril Ramaphosa could degenerate to that level or language and derision of principle were, but certain facts and recent developments shed the light on what could be basis of ignoring principle," Shivambu wrote.

"The fact that a faction in the ANC has promised him the position of deputy president, which he so dearly wanted in 1994, could be one of the reasons why he took such a stance."

Mthembu said Ramaphosa had never discussed being on a list of any ANC faction.

"The branches of the ANC have not started to discuss nominations and therefore there is no truth that comrade Cyril is appearing on any list. This exists in the warped imagination of the likes of Floyd."

Mthembu said the processes of the National Disciplinary Committee and NDCA were determined by the ANC's constitution.

"It is therefore disingenuous to blame an individual for the work processed by a team," said Mthembu.

"This is tantamount to saying other members of the team are dwafs, useless, sheepish followers who do not apply their minds."

Mthembu said Shivambu had a history of lacking discipline.

"This has come with a cost in some of our progressive structures at tertiary level. It is not surprising that he left the Young Communist League on the verge of being charged."

Shivambu is also appealing a guilty verdict against him for sowing division and bringing the ANC into disrepute. He was suspended from the ANC for three years for swearing at a journalist and for issuing a statement calling for a change of government in Botswana.

Shivambu's article continued: "Like all borrowed robes, those given to Cyril Ramaphosa are beginning to wane down through his inconsistent application of principle... If comrade Cyril was really the man of the Constitution who presided over a transition that everybody in the world celebrates today, how did he fail to manage what is vividly an injustice against the leadership of the ANC Youth League?"

Mthembu said the phrase "borrowed robes" undermined Ramaphosa's capabilities.

"It is... saddening that because of petty jealousies from the likes of Floyd, the successes that a number of blacks have achieved in the mainstream of the economy under very trying circumstances is relegated to insignificance.

"The advice we can offer to the likes of Floyd is that ANC members and the public cannot be fooled by their statements," Mthembu said.

  • Bob - 2012-04-16 19:02

    Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) – A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. The problems we face today are there because... The people who work for a living, are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.

      Kolobe - 2012-04-16 19:24

      we need to get rid of struggle heroes fast, thanked them enough

      Sean - 2012-04-16 19:39

      Thanks Bob , I learnt a new word today and it makes 100 % sense !

      Robsschele - 2012-04-16 19:48

      Yes Kolobe. From now on wards the meaning of struggle hero is: A struggle hero is a person that struggles to do the job he is given.

  • Marius - 2012-04-16 19:03

    So now the youth will be asked to boycott the golden arches???

  • Mewik - 2012-04-16 19:04


  • Irene - 2012-04-16 19:06

    Oh shame, the senior scum don't enjoy being rebuked by the junior scum. Common denominator? Pure scum.

  • atholl.hay - 2012-04-16 19:12

    Cockroaches, tea girls, refugees ... and now dwafs! Eish

      Mewik - 2012-04-16 19:15

      Dwarves darn it!!! They at least deserve a little respect!!!!

      Lacrimose - 2012-04-16 19:56

      @Mewick - Dwarfs is the standard plural of the noun dwarf. This has been so for centuries. Dwarves is a variant popularized (though not invented) by English author J.R.R. Tolkien in his fantasy fiction works, including The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. The Tolkien spelling is appropriate when referring to little people in fantasy worlds. Dwarfs is better everywhere else. Dwarf also works as a verb meaning to cause to appear small in size. In this sense, dwarf is inflected dwarfs, not dwarves, in the singular present tense.

      atholl.hay - 2012-04-16 20:11

      The dwafs vs the dwaf nots ...

      Gavin - 2012-04-16 20:12

      I've heard of dwarf-tossers, but not dwaf-tossers? Or, ... are these guys just tossers ?

      Vince.York - 2012-04-16 20:17

      Well, we know Tokien hung out around Hogsback area before having a few too many mushrooms BUT what we were unaware of was that the YL 'gollums' were popped out from under the nkandla hillside rocks too. AND THEY HAVE ALL HAD FAR MORE THAN MUSHROOMS......>>>> maybe ate all the black jelly babes up leaving the country bare?

      Mewik - 2012-04-16 20:23

      Its dwafs!!! What the hell I didn't even notice that :P ahhh classic. Yeah but what's a dwaf??? Anyway: Dwarf (dwôrf), pl. dwarfs or dwarves (dwôrvz) it's debatable at best :)

  • Jacqueline - 2012-04-16 19:16

    Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Round one!! And the gloves are off.

      Warren - 2012-04-16 20:35

      Perfect Jerry Springer guests, lol.

      Assegai - 2012-04-16 22:42

      LOL Warren. So true!

  • sachasea - 2012-04-16 19:16

    With friends like these who needs enemies

  • barry.mcbride - 2012-04-16 19:16

    Is such the result of a bad joke or genetic cul-de-sac?

      Lacrimose - 2012-04-16 20:17

      I've commented off and on through the years at the mental-health crisis this country faces. It seems even govt is starting to agree. Whether these mental-health cases are "nature vs nurture" (genetic as opposed to environmental) is a matter of heated debate for over 100yrs - and still going. Whatever the underlying cause, we have the Health Minister finally getting on board that there are a lot of mentally ill people in ZA.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-04-16 20:58

      @ BMcB... Ja, but at least it's giving us a good laugh.. for me at least

  • Buhle - 2012-04-16 19:18

    This is becoming a a soapie now......... Why don't they just scrap the whole ANCYL thing mara!! This is becoming boring now, its like Pele and Maradona going at each other.

  • thulasizweb.m - 2012-04-16 19:20

    Really the leadership of ANCYL don't have what it takes to lead in our organisation,any decision against their ill-discipline is not accepted, once the committee rule against them they become enemies, this means even the conference @ Mangaung if rule against them it will also be not correct according to them...this can never be right !!!

  • tobydt - 2012-04-16 19:23

    This party aint gonna survive for long past its 100th bday.

      Irene - 2012-04-16 19:37

      Now that would be a good thing.

  • Lacrimose - 2012-04-16 19:27

    Too little too late. No doubt ANC/ANCYLS rules and regs, processes and procedures are impeccable and world-class. The ANC's consistent failure - within their structures and within parliament, is that they never do anything at all until matters have reached crisis proportions i.e. beyond the point of no return

  • Martin - 2012-04-16 19:34

    Reasonable people warned long ago that the ANC needed to discipline Malema. Failure to do so has led to further, predictable, division and embarrassment. It seems now that the rot will need to be excised and the ANCYL entirely disbanded.

      Piet - 2012-04-16 19:41

      lovely, they raised him and now he is biting the very hand that fed him! this is the best soap out!

      Lacrimose - 2012-04-16 20:02

      This is not so much about discipline as a split in ideologies/theories/beliefs. ANC rides the fence internally with "constitutional rights to freedom of expression" on the one hand and "bringing the party into disrepute" on the other hand. Essentially ANC's philosophy is "no matter our personal beliefs, in public we all sing from the same prayer-book". It takes a well seasoned conductor to get altos, sopranos and contraltos to create (a) harmony.

  • brettcch - 2012-04-16 19:41

    It is unfair to call the likes of Malema and Shivambu the ANCYL. Indeed, they are unlawful squatters that will be evicted in the fullness of time. Nonetheless, let's put this in language they might understand: NEVER SH1T WHERE YOU EAT.

  • Joseph - 2012-04-16 19:42

    Mthembu must come clear and tell South Africans that there is a big problem within the party (ANC). All his responces to Shivambu's comments mean nothing as they make no reference to the underlying problems that are eating away the party.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-04-16 19:43

    Ag sorry about the,you wrote it,cANCer thing boet we shall now look for more slogans so as not to pee you off as long as you dont repeat them.....yes?

      Glyn - 2012-04-16 21:53

      Just spell anc with small letter. The smaller the better.

  • Michael - 2012-04-16 19:59

    It's quite astonishing the level which the rhetoric has reached in this very sorry saga between the ruling party of this beautiful country of ours and it's youth wing has reached. I can find no honour in the kinds of insults flowing freely back and fourth between the participants. I can only reason that the ANC is giving the youngster and his sidekicks a very long and knotty rope that the imbiciles will most certainly hang themselves with. I find it inconceivable and slightly humerous, the youngsters cannot see the gigantic precipice they are hurtling toward, faster than a runaway train. Well, now that I think of it, if your're blinded by greed, racism, bigotry and delusions of grandeur, and have no honour, it's easy to predict the outcome.

      Keith - 2012-04-17 06:51

      nit-picking. Its - belonging to; It's - it is. Sorry for the interruption on this highly important subject. By the way, Nothing and No One is more important than the anc. Its wishes and desires override those of South Africa itself.

  • KReddy - 2012-04-16 20:02

    What's the dwaf?

  • Luviwe - 2012-04-16 20:09

    Dictators don't want to be questioned. Malema speaks his mind and it is true I believe.

      Lacrimose - 2012-04-16 21:20

      But oh what an mal- and ill-informed mind

  • Don.Tandy - 2012-04-16 20:10

    Idle threats from the ANCorruption - is fatboys bum-chum now going to go through the same process of meaningless suspensions, appeals, more appeals, appeals against the appeals, while the spineless ANCorruption dithers and dallies.

      Don.Tandy - 2012-04-16 20:13

      'Fatboy and Flawed' - sounds like a good name for a comedy duo.

  • Polite - 2012-04-16 20:15


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      Luviwe - 2012-04-16 21:24

      The only rotten tomato is corruption. That is why JZ is hanging on to presidency to avoid court.

  • Rob - 2012-04-16 20:26

    Keep at it anc and ancyl. Go..go...go...attack, ridicule, embaress, spill the beans! Split the vote for the good of all. A smaller majority under threat for the anc could just bring a much needed dose of realism and fear of loss of privelege. Keep it up!

  • dmostert2 - 2012-04-16 20:28

    Moenie stry nie, moer mekaar!

  • Ntshengedzeni - 2012-04-16 20:48

    It is not funny,they are now personalising issues.Very interesting

      Luviwe - 2012-04-16 21:22

      Yha true the elders had done that.

      Glyn - 2012-04-16 21:57

      Politics is personal, the anc is stuffing everybody in the country, personally. Vote DA to give the anc a big fright!

  • Elkieta - 2012-04-16 20:53

    Fatboy,Flawed and Zumpie.The three stooges...

  • Olebogeng - 2012-04-16 21:22

    watchout u big guys.rememba mubarak how he left power.young ppl r dangerous.just get rid of msholozis cabinet then enjoy democracy adawise chesa mpama

  • amos.magezi - 2012-04-16 21:28

    Our former president have been called by names but they didn't said anything because they wanted to be in power. So today they are talking because they don't wanna give others a chance they want to retain their position.

      Luviwe - 2012-04-16 21:32

      These corrupt leaders need to be taught a lesson.

      Thando - 2012-04-16 21:45

      Sizodibana eMangaung maqabane......ths smear campaign on our elected leaders will fall flat in th detractors faces,

  • wesleywt - 2012-04-16 21:38


  • tmyezo - 2012-04-16 22:01

    come on guys you should be ashamed of your selves. ANC the mother body you should no better but it seems that you are being too emotional, protective about every issue which does not favour you. Even if you are right just let them be challenge them internaly. Public issues should be more about positive plans on how to curb\\ adress big and important problems eg; job creation, service delivery, poverty, education, unemployment etc. Inspire us give us hope keep doing more for serve the poor that will form support of the public. Prove to us that we have made\\ will make the right decision in voting for you.

  • Malizba Liz Mhlanga - 2012-04-17 00:58

    now they are touching the untouchable!

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