ANC lied about nationalisation, union says

2011-08-04 20:04

Johannesburg - An admission by Cosatu that an ANC task team was looking at a model of nationalisation to implement proved the ANC "blatantly lied", TAU SA said on Thursday.

"It is clear that the ANC Youth League's demands... are not only remarks by a bunch of young hot-heads," the farming union's president Ben Marais said.

"It is in fact supported by both the ANC and Cosatu, probably based on the SACP's communist agenda."

On Thursday, Cosatu economist Chris Malekane said nationalisation was going to happen and it was just the manner in which it would be implemented that needed to be decided.

Speaking at a debate in Johannesburg, he said they encouraged the youth league to place nationalisation firmly on the agenda.

All the parties represented at the last ANC national executive committee meeting had supported nationalisation and if the task team produced a study that looked at only the feasibility of nationalisation, it would be rejected outright, Malekane said.

"We'll have to compensate in the interests of the public, but not in a way that will cripple the South African state... there has to be a balance."

He said land was a natural asset that should be owned by the state and used by farmers, and that no compensation should be given for land.

Reacting, Marais said no compensation for land meant farmers were being targeted "to be destroyed and to be exterminated".

"Is this the reason why farm attacks and murders do not get the attention that it requires, for each farmer who is no longer there is an issue less to deal with?"

TAU SA called on organised agriculture and business to meet urgently to protect every parties' interests against the threat of nationalisation.

  • Lestor - 2011-08-04 20:11

    I have to wonder, are they really this stupid? I mean I know the ANC are retarded but can they really be this retarded? I don't think my mind is capable of understanding that someone could actually want nationalization. Every time I try picture it I just cannot do it. No matter what my mind rejects the idea that someone could be that stupid.

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-04 20:18

      come on,are you surprised?....they kept quite through all of Malemas ranting and now you surprised....this was there 'policy' all along...and the country will suffer for it

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-04 20:30

      come on,are you surprised?....they kept quite through all of Malemas ranting and now you surprised....this was their 'policy' all along...and the country will suffer for it,they kept their mouths shut all the time but when it will hurt them they open their mouths,its the ANC way

      Sedick - 2011-08-04 20:44

      Tee ANC reminds of the way they used to farm - let the cattle eat every blade of grass in a field, totally destroying the ability to recuperate, and then move onto the next field and do the same, and so on. Then one day they realise that there is nothing for their cattle to feed on anymore, the fields are now a desert, and then they die of starvation. OH, and then they wait for the handouts from world NGOs.......@ssholes......

      Dominic - 2011-08-04 20:45

      Robert Mugabe is sitting back with a smug smile of satisfaction. The ANC no longer follows Mandela's ideals, they follow his. ZANUfication of the ANC is almost complete.

      James Weather - 2011-08-04 20:49

      PEOPLE OF SA: Nationalisation will do NOTHING but full the pockets of the corrupt!!!! The reason the poor have no houses is because your government is stealing the money that was supposed to be for RDP houses! IFFFF the government wanted EVER person in this country to have a house they would have done it already!!! R1 BILLION written off to Cuba - R2.4 BILLION for Swaziland .... Lets face it this government has no intention to actually delivering houses to the poor ... Nore do they give a crap about it! IF they did they would help the people of South African BEFORE of sending OUR money to other countries .... OUR PEOPLE FIRST please you idiots! It will Cost R3 TRILLION to nationalise all the mines … HOW EXACTLY? If you needing money stop wasting it!!!! Get back your corruption money from your buddies and we’ll have plenty… Leave the Mines!!!!! You guys cant run ANYTHING never mind a mine … SERIOUSLY!

      The Mugz - 2011-08-04 20:49

      @Datbrotherfromthestates then you will dissapear too, there will be nothing for you to steel, and if you try steal from your cANCer you will be shot!!

      william.botha - 2011-08-04 20:54


      william.botha - 2011-08-04 20:56

      Datbrotherfromamothacoppulator stop defecating from the mouth.

      Clean Carpet Crew - 2011-08-04 20:56

      Pa was right, they are commies. Quick! back to building the bunker

      cliffarc - 2011-08-04 20:56

      - It boggles the mind that the Anc cannot understand the damage they are wreaking in this country. Mind blowing that they are unable to forsee the consequences of their actions. What manner of men , would believe that nationalisation and land confiscations are equitable or workable ? It is abundantly clear the Anc are hellbent on the total destruction of the country, in their lust for power and enrichment. Their agenda's are evil and sinister and will ensure a failed nation status. What kind of president would stand by and witness all this carnage and remain silent, while the country disintergates ? The white exodus cannot be far off.

      fishycraig - 2011-08-04 21:02

      For sure Clean Carpet Crew... you build your bunker and I will sit on my stoep with my grandpa's Martini-Henry rifle.

      marco - 2011-08-04 21:31

      Nationalization is the central policy theme of a fascist,communist and/or state socialist government and that the means of production,allocation of output,consolidation of resources,distribution and exchange,central planning or control of the economy are to be owned by the state.Does the state have the time,means,energy or resources to tackle such a huge responsibility?When you nationalised an industry,any industry,the government then becomes solely responsible for meeting any debts incurred by these industries.Again are the ANC or the ONE PARTY state of South Africa fit enough to handle such huge demands?

      Andre Barendse - 2011-08-05 07:42

      Those educated know that knowledge makes the differience. Those not educated knows that he ho takes the bribe first makes all the difference. Uneducated people will inevitably be come subservient... if only to a new master. That master is China/Communism. Considering that China has so much problems of their own... The lowest of human rights and considering that their greed largely consists of being the massive majority. All the love will stream out to China and lots of it. Africa and Juluis Malema is really lining it self up for a unknown level of cruelty. 80% of mining deaths are chinese... not for long. what are they going to do to the African???? There's an old Chinese saying... Be careful what you wish for....

      SageScion - 2011-08-05 09:40

      They threaten us, it is truely time to get ourselves in order,come together,stand with each other and not alone and seperate, DO NOT LET THEM TAKE IT WITHOUT A CIVIL WAR. screw these racist pigs, now that the shoe is on the other they behave exactly the same if not worse. Which land is this? there is plenty of natural land left,just how it was when these farmers were ''given'' their land. But ofcourse they do not want that, they want what we accomplished on this land,what we made of it.There is only one solution to this, the time to argue and debate and reason with such fools are over. Reasoning cant be hammered into such a thick skull.Please some one out there do what needs to be done, for this country's future.I simply do not have the means,unfortunatly. Unite against this,show them we do not just sit back and let this happen.

      LBS - 2011-08-05 16:45

      Spyker May and Sage, I fully agree with you. They will eventually take our pensions, everything! What future is there for us? But we HAVE to stand together and OPEN OUR EYES now. Zuma is only allowing Malema to do the dirty work for them so to not look so bad themselves, for the time being. OPEN YOUR EYES and face REALITY! WHAT CAN WE DO???

  • KarinR - 2011-08-04 20:18

    I am sick with worry about this country and its future! All the lies, all the deceit, it seems no-one in government cares a hoot about the people of South Africa!! When is this madness going to stop? How can we carry on with our daily lives when there seems to be no hope? Our nation is depressed beyond measure, as we have nothing left to hope for!! There is a madness that no-one seems to be able to stop!God help us all!

      Sedick - 2011-08-04 20:46

      Agree, and then the bokke rugby is K@K as well...........

      cliffarc - 2011-08-04 21:02

      - They truly believe they will be better off without our skill's, taxes and economic contributions. It's simple really - how do you reason with idiots ? Let them have their banana republic.

      marco - 2011-08-04 21:18

      @Tsheps16V -News24 took your earlier stupid remarks off and now here you back again with the same s**tty comments you evil,demon looking mamparra.

      Johann - 2011-08-04 22:02

      @Tsheps16V, bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do not hide behind your mothers apron, like a baby.

      LBS - 2011-08-05 16:50

      @ Karin, exactly how I feel now, hopeless! But we must hope and pray!!!! And remember : God help those that help themselves.

  • SAbraindrain - 2011-08-04 20:25

    ...and he calls himself an economist; not sure he even passed the subject?! Where oh where in the world has it EVER worked? @Tsheps16V - what hole did you crawl out of; if you can demonstrate any instance where a government was able to create value or money through nationalization, I'll eat my words.

      The Unicorn - 2011-08-04 21:16

      First, he passed the subject because if they failed him he was shouting "because I'm black". Second, the do not need prove that nationalization never worked... what they are after is the power those ex-communist countries gave to their leaders & a few others... all they want is the power & wealth without bothering for the stupids who are voting for them.

      Anonymus - 2011-08-04 21:27

      its general knowledge that Tsheps16V crawled out from the abortion bucket.

      william.botha - 2011-08-04 21:31

      SAbraindrain, Thseps is a hustler, ignore him, he might not even be a black oke either.

  • radarblip - 2011-08-04 20:27

    lets watch these idiots destroy themselves. peeps, start making contacts overseas so that when production here is killed, we can make millions off the government by importing. if the supporters wanna put themselves in jeopardy because they are a bunch of racist morons, lets make money off their desperation. i'm so sick of this crap. f*ck the government. at least the zim government no longer pretends to be fighting for the people.

  • jockvanwyk - 2011-08-04 20:31

    did you morons not know that the ANC cant be trusted?

      Snoek - 2011-08-04 21:10

      History showed us that. I bet you there are many lefties now wishing they had voted NO.

  • Babba x - 2011-08-04 20:34

    Welcome to Zim. We will take from da white man, like our braddas in Zim. We are da parasite which will consume until nothing is left, just like our braddas in Zim did.

  • THE.SRG - 2011-08-04 20:36

    This has been along time coming and should not be a surprise to anyone,we have sat back and watched how these fools never said a word against Malema when he was spewing his hate and nationalization cr@p,they never stood against him for it,we now face a very real reality of a full blown zim situation,so what are we as South African people gonna do about it?

      michael.e.bowery - 2011-08-04 21:07

      Nothing, it's against the Constitution.

  • the mc - 2011-08-04 20:41

    *food for thought* currently,the government pockets ~50%(effectively) of the mining profits. so what do them mean by nationalisation of mines. ''';

      The Unicorn - 2011-08-04 21:17

      nationalization = all 100% in their pockets + bonus: nobody can complain about it

  • Yardie - 2011-08-04 20:48

    Dear Boffins, does anyone here know the definition of Nationalisation?

      Anonymus - 2011-08-04 21:28

      im still waiting for the ANYL's definition. also for their definition of economic freedom.

      william.botha - 2011-08-04 21:35

      They first have to raise their intellect a few bars and that is impossible (law of physics)

      biskit - 2011-08-05 08:44

      I say go for it Nationalize all you want but at the end of the day - People will turn around and say I told you so...and by that time we're the Republic of South Zimbabwe

  • Yardie - 2011-08-04 20:48

    ....didnt think so!

      the mc - 2011-08-04 21:06

      (for this one i am not consulting my dictionory) Nationalision has many definitions(probably),but what efectively happens is that the government is effectively the major shareholder in the can thus nationalise by allowing government to take more than 50% of the profits.that is why the australian mining company were crying 'nationalisation' when their gorventment proposed tax increases.during nationalision, the govenment is also some what responsible for the hiring of management ,to some extent.

      the mc - 2011-08-04 21:06

      (for this one i am not consulting my dictionary) Nationalision has many definitions(probably),but what efectively happens is that the government is effectively the major shareholder in the can thus nationalise by allowing government to take more than 50% of the profits.that is why the australian mining company were crying 'nationalisation' when their gorventment proposed tax increases.during nationalision, the govenment is also some what responsible for the hiring of management ,to some extent.

      cliffarc - 2011-08-04 21:20

      - Yeah sure Yardie - it's a process designed to ensure Zimbabwedom.

  • Allieo - 2011-08-04 20:49

    This is criminally stupid. Its the equivalent to deciding to eat the last two bags of corn instead of planting one of them. Black man you have just coursed yourself another 60 years of suffering, it seems that that's all you are capable of.....

  • RS1465 - 2011-08-04 20:56

    The reality is dawning on u the benifectors of apartheid that we the disadvantaged we ar taking over.The revolution for economic emancipation is gaining momentum and next year around December we will be tasking the ANC to give us time frames for implementation.Praises must go to God for taking care of our black people during the hard times.I don't wanna mention what ur kind has done to blacks.

      POLLENYS - 2011-08-04 21:09

      It just boggles the mind that you can think the salvation lies in nationalisation. But I suppose you are so driven by hatred for everything white (and working) that we will waste our time arguing.

      R.Suppards - 2011-08-04 21:10

      Do you get a hard on when you talk to your mirror. for sure you talk like a C#nt!!

      Sinudeity - 2011-08-04 21:18

      RS1465 - I don't wanna mention what ur kind has done to blacks.

      Anonymus - 2011-08-04 21:30

      @RS1465 - has the black baas allowed you on the computa again?

      RS1465 - 2011-08-04 21:42

      @Polleyns Ur kind are the 1nc who incalcutated these hatred.No black person has ever asked to be treated the way ur people have.In fact we ar proud that we managed to survive n the only mistake white people was not to kill all blacks when they had a chance.After all the sacrifices black people did to ensure that whites feel in home in SA, u decided to show us the middle finger by not leveling the playing ground.Ur against redressing of any sort, so don't b suprised

      Guy Fawkes - 2011-08-05 04:49

      Your hardtimes are coming. Ask your Zimbabwean brothers what its like in Zimbabwe, and tthat is your future, probably worse. Only this time you cannot run South like the Zimbabweans did.

      liveandlove - 2011-08-05 10:58

      RS 1465.... You are a racist. Thats all.

      Andre Roux - 2011-08-05 11:59

      RS1465 you thank God for taking care of you. But now you prefer politics above faith? What does "Luxury is not fitting for a fool, Much less for a servant to rule over princes" (Proverb 19:10) mean? Does it not imply that one should be learned and responsible in order to rule? Don't make God your political slogan. He may not take kindly to it. In answer to your other comments: 1. Both black and white benefited from apartheid. The whites gained wealth but also developed the country from which you still benefit in terms of infrastructure, communications, schooling, JOBS etc. Now with apartheid gone, what would you like in its place? It seems that democracy is not enough. 2. What you mean by "taking over" is a mystery. The ANC is already in power and with them the vast majority of blacks. So what do you intend to "take over"? And how do you intend to take it over? 3. You time-frames are mere disguised instigation and an arrogant sloganeering to instill fear. It is a racist comment aimed at the small minority of whites, and to deprive them forcefully of what they possess. 4. No-one has ever denied that blacks have suffered. The TRC dealt with much of the pain but obviously not all of it. What you again disguisedly suggest on how to deal with the pain is the African style of dispossession and retribution. Strange how you love God and hate other's in the same sentence.

      afriamerican - 2011-08-06 00:34

      RS1465, bad news for you, when the ANC get done taking all that the 'benifactors of apartheid' own, whom do you think they will come for next? The 'benifactors' only have so much wealth, and when that runs out, the ANC will still need to buy votes, they will look to wealthy blacks who own computers and other 'non-essential' items. The ANC will demand that blacks who have too much must share the wealth. As soon as the communists run out of white people's money, they will turn on YOU. Can't happen you say? Happened in Zim, didn't it? Same political path you are on.

  • TamaraSays - 2011-08-04 20:57

    The thing is, they still write these headlines like it's a big surprise! Protip SA - when the ANC speaks, ASSUME they're lying, and you'll never be surprised.

  • Neil - 2011-08-04 21:02

    The story actually is.. No, I doubt they lied. They did not know how to face the music when confronted by so many top figures. They just diverted the attention away from them like they ALWAYS do.. Whenever Zuma stuffs up, Malema says something stupid to get Zuma out the spotlight. They always do this. Bloody cowards.

  • Sinudeity - 2011-08-04 21:13

    ANCYL Buzzword of the week - "Means of production"

  • william.botha - 2011-08-04 21:14

    I think this drive to change SA has many angles on it, number one on the list is power play, number two is communism with a twist, the twist that keeps prying eyes out and wallets full. How on earth are they going to raise the capital to manage these mines, by all means, if they nationalize, the big guns in international mining will leave with their funding and expertise. Even if expropriation without compensation happens, just the day to day running capital on mines is enormous. The first casualty will be the rand, going from a world recognized currency to non-existent aka Zim dollar. Then what are you going to use as currency? The "imperialist" dollar? You ANC cadre that loves this self endowed wisdom are like dogs returning to their own vomit, you just cannot resist the urge.

      william.botha - 2011-08-04 21:18

      Oh, I forgot China. ANC, get ready for the new colonial power, China. You better start learning the language now, so you can get a better job from your Chinese masters. And you better start training how to work 12 hr shifts with about R1000 a month pay if you lucky.

  • letsee - 2011-08-04 21:15

    Now we are going to have to import food. But then... African leaders are not good at planning the future of their countries, they will blame somethng and call for international help...

      Andy - 2011-08-04 21:32

      It's not their fault, IQ studies have shown that the majority of black african leaders just don't understand what their actions mean for the future, like animals they just care about now and instant gratification.

  • Joe_Public - 2011-08-04 21:21

    ABSOLUTE APES nuff said

  • Mad Dog - 2011-08-04 21:22

    It is the anc policy but they just don't have the balls to admit it! They are already the laughing stock of the world. What does Zuma have to say about it, they president of a country should be the one to announce policy, not some jumped up children's club. The anc are not fit to govern a country. Vote DA in the next elections. For the sake of your children!

  • Joe - 2011-08-04 21:22

    Prepare for war!!!

      william.botha - 2011-08-04 21:48

      RS1465, thank you, you echo the sentiment that few realize. You would rather die or be impoverished than have white people share the country with you. By the way, start a web page or a blog for all those Afro-Americans and Black folks out of Africa so you can help them return to Africa and starve and suffer with you, because that is your mentality. You see white people as a threat, when they extend a hand to teach you the western way to self sustainability, you just turned it down. Tell me, if you are drowning at sea and a boat full of whiteys come to your rescue, will you turn that down too?

      william.botha - 2011-08-04 22:10

      By the way RS1465, are you of San bushman or Khoi descent? If not, this land was stolen by your forefathers from the most innocent men of all time, the San and the Khoi. You have no more right here than anyone else but the San and the Khoi people, they were here first and your forefathers murdered them in droves.

      william.botha - 2011-08-04 22:45

      It works both ways RS1465, you cannot brush the atrocities your forefathers committed under the carpet that easy, it is fact and remains such. Ironically you are using technology to communicate your feelings to me that originated from Europe. You must take some time and start analyzing things. If you can teach me something that will better my life, I would be a fool to hate you. You have to start putting the past behind you and look towards the future. It has been demonstrated over and over again that collaboration by different races have only positive results, whereas conflict always ends up in chaos and destruction. What you have is called a vendetta, and it is not good, vendettas can carry on for decades. You also have to accept that we humans have a chance to make a difference now more than ever before, due to technology. Like what we are doing now. You keep on saying "you people have shown how inhumane we can be". Come on, you want to tell me that only white people have been inhumane? Are you inhumane? Am I? You have a choice, and to choose a path of conflict is detrimental to yourself and others. I know you people are burning to even the score, but through violence, you will then just be as bad as the ones you accused. The way to even the score is by collaborating with all people of all races, then you prove that Apartheid was bad. But by getting caught up in revolutionary ideologies will just give substance to things that happened in the past.

      william.botha - 2011-08-04 22:50

      And get one thing straight RS1465, you are wrong by saying white man will never dictate to you again. Why do you see anything other than your opinion as dictating? You people are obsessed with it. Give me an example of this dictating you are talking about. Maybe I don't understand you.

      william.botha - 2011-08-04 22:59

      RS1465 just to get you to see my point of view about Malema, will you allow a motorcar mechanic to do open hart surgery on you? I'm sure you won't, and it is the same principle, Malema has no qualifications or skills or experience in the workings of economics. Therefore he has no right to dictate policy which he knows nothing of, especially because it will effect the lives of millions in a very bad way. He has no magic wand that can make food and jobs appear from nowhere, and he certainly do not have any skills in that regard, so by you trusting Malema to make your life better, will be the same as asking your friend to fly you around in a helicopter. You won't get very far, or you won't get anywhere. You love Malema because he fuels the fire of hatred in you, get out of this, it will destroy you.

  • Mad Dog - 2011-08-04 21:37

    It is not news that the anc lie! Vote DA in the next elections. Have you ever known Helen Zille to lie? Never!

      william.botha - 2011-08-04 21:43

      I'm afraid that won't change things. Everyday new babies are born to destitute families with no future. Every year young ones enter the search for work that will probably never come, it is common knowledge that one party state mentality ensures the masses stay poor, so they can be manipulated.

  • william.botha - 2011-08-04 21:38

    I think a good analogy to SA is the movie Gremlins, sort of pseudo everything.

      RS1465 - 2011-08-04 23:10

      U can give s much analogies, but the fact remains that we were cheated before by apartheid and we won't allow ithat to happen in these new despensation. The kind of the past that we endured is so painfull and exceserbated by the arrogance from whites.In all my posts u don't even respond to the issue of redress which majority if not all blacks believe is very central to us (mostly blacks) moving forward.And when we say redress we don't mean the 17%( employment wise) that we have already achieved.The balnce economically should be informed by the demographics of these country.For instance,we have Pick n Pay which is owned by a white man but the majority of it's customers ar blacks but we benefit a zilch from it.U may ask then y shouldn't I start my own business to offset the imbalances but already it already has an establish clientel and not forgetting the banks.So Arckerman must give us a slice.

      william.botha - 2011-08-05 08:07

      There is a single word that describes "so ackerman must give us a slice" namely LOOTING. Is Malema going to give you a slice? Is Patrice Motsepe going to give you a slice? Or Sexwale? Is it because Ackerman is white? What did you do to desrve the "slice"? Wake up dude, you are delusional.

      Andre Roux - 2011-08-05 12:27

      RS1465, both side are equally arrogant. But most people prefer the humility of Mandela above the arrogance of a Malema. There are true heroes like the former and others like the latter that will go down in infamy.

      colette.gib - 2011-08-06 16:33

      all i see from RS1465 is a black and white thing. Are you the one who suffered from the apartheid. Is our generation the ones who were a part of it at all? Think about the future of our country. Stop blaming the whites for what is happening now. If we all return to the past, how are we meant to ever move forward as a country? I dont understand why you cant see that. All malema and COSATU and ANC is trying to do, is make more money for themselves, give nothing back to "their people" and split our country once again into "blacks vs whites". I dont even undertsand what you are going on about Ackerman for. He owns a great company, good for him. Are you going to b@tch about Richard Branson too cos some blacks use his services??? its completely irrelevant that Ackerman owns a clever idea and profitable company and black people are his customers. What you get back from that is great value on your products. Stop thinking so small minded- get the whites. Stop splitting our nation up. The ANC was built upon Mandelas desire to unite our nation and move forward from what had happened. He actually suffered from the apartheid, and chose to forgive and move forward. And all the new ANC is doing is creating a new apartheid that is leaving our country no where. You think all Jews hate Germans cos of Hitler and what he forced his people to do to them? Dont blame an entire race for what happened to your forefathers. Open your mind a little and see what is really happening.

  • Andre Barendse - 2011-08-05 07:43

    Andre Barendse - Just posted Report comment Those educated know that knowledge makes the differience. Those not educated knows that he ho takes the bribe first makes all the difference. Uneducated people will inevitably be come subservient... if only to a new master. That master is China/Communism. Considering that China has so much problems of their own... The lowest of human rights and considering that their greed largely consists of being the massive majority. All the love will stream out to China and lots of it. Africa and Juluis Malema is really lining it self up for a unknown level of cruelty. 80% of mining deaths are chinese... not for long. what are they going to do to the African???? There's an old Chinese saying... Be careful what you wish for....

  • Whoa! - 2011-08-05 10:52

    ANC leadership: Take a stand on the Nationalisation issue. Tell us, the people of South Africa, how this policy can work here ? Do you actually care about the people that voted you into power?

  • Zacharia - 2011-08-05 13:01

    Nationalisation was resolved about, in 1955 in the congress of the people, during the ANC National general Council what we resolved was that we need to investigate the best practice around the world in as far as nationalisation is concern. We never said it won'thappen, so nationalisation is going to happen depending on the best practice established by the task team appointed to do so. Yes for now it is not the policy of Government and the anc, after the policy conference of the anc next June, it is going to be adopted as the policy of both the anc and government end of the story. We do not want to practice nationalisation willy nilly, because we know what is good for the country and its people espeially, the poor and the working class.Tau and Agri sa has no good interest or intension, in the well being of the poor and the working class only the anc and the allaince does. I am not suprise about their out of touch, arrogant and racist comments. because theirs is to keep the status quo and protet the interest of white, and capital, who do not care a damm about the suffering of the majority of our people.

  • Daniel du Plessis - 2011-08-17 08:21

    My solution is for the government to suspend all work for two weeks and send for every South African to attend a "reconciliation and rebuilding the country course:, which must include acknowledging the acknowledgement of past wrongs done and moving one thus also acknowledging one's own tendencies to be racist, so we can overcome prejudice and start building the country and making intelligent useful contributions to the national debate in stead of making foolish threats and giving even more stupid responses. If opinions here reflect the level of thinking and debate in this country then sadly we are doomed to be a nation of imbecilies, racists and criminals.

  • Babba x - 2011-08-17 08:29

    We cheat, we lie, we steal

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