ANC losing support, survey finds

2011-01-25 11:43

Johannesburg - The ANC has lost 38 wards in local government elections over the last four years, the latest South Africa Survey has shown.

The Democratic Alliance has gained 24, the SA Institute of Race Relations (SAIRR) said on Tuesday. The survey is published annually by the institute.

"Between the last local government elections in 2006, and up until August 2010, the ANC managed to hold 306 ward seats, gain 17, and lose 55, giving it an overall loss of 38 seats.

"By contrast, the DA retained 61 seats, gained 29, and lost only five, resulting in an overall gain of 24 seats."

The institute analysed data on by-elections from the Independent Electoral Commission to arrive at its conclusion.

Local government elections

SAIRR researcher Marius Roodt predicted the ANC was likely to lose support in the upcoming local government elections.

"The ANC retained the majority of the seats that it held before, but the loss of 55 seats is significant.

"Using these figures as a basis for analysis it is likely that the DA will retain control of Cape Town. Of the other five metropolitan municipalities the ANC is most vulnerable in Nelson Mandela Bay, which includes Port Elizabeth. It could also lose significant support in Johannesburg, and Tshwane, of which Pretoria is part," he added.

He predicted the ANC would retain control of the overwhelming majority of municipalities in the country.

Independent candidates

The other big winners in local elections were independent candidates.

Over the period examined, independents held onto two seats, gained 18 and lost three - a net gain of 15 seats.

Many of the independents were Congress of the People members - a party now in the throes of a leadership battle which has seen two structures emerge.

The Inkatha Freedom Party lost 10 wards in total over the period. It held 47 seats, lost 15, and gained five.

  • Melly30 - 2011-01-25 11:47

    Whooooooohoooooooooooooooooooooo!!! Keep it up DA... Leasts get SA back on track for all (White,Black,Coloured)!! One Nation! No Malema's!

      Johnny - 2011-01-25 12:11 problem...!! ...the 3 million illegal Zimbabwians will vote for the ANC in the next election....

      Craig - 2011-01-25 12:40

      @Jonny: I didn't know illegal Zimbo's are allowed to vote...must be new development...facy that! This is prob the best news in a long Malema use his race card to the max now!

      Fazil - 2011-01-25 12:41

      What about the Injuns?

      hlase.riba - 2011-01-25 12:45

      @Johnny... think carefully before you comment. Illegal immigrants can't vote.

      Stryder - 2011-01-25 12:47

      @Johnny- I think your analysis is flawed. Assuming they somehow are allowed to vote, they have seen all of what the ANC are doing before. Zanu-pf did all this in Zim before the ANC was in power here. In Zim Zanu-pf is no longer assured of victory in free and fair elections. This is because the average Zimbabwean has realised that they have to change their vote. I have spoken to many Zimbabweans and to a tee they would not vote ANC as "they are no different Zanu-PF". I say let the Zimbabweans vote. - 2011-01-25 12:50

      @hlase.riba but prisoners can?

      rmarkram - 2011-01-25 13:07

      Johny I'm afraid those Zimbabweans will be the ones voting for DA. They wont be making the same mistake as they did in Zim.

      SamuelMabena - 2011-01-25 13:07

      This is good for democracy. True freedom can only be achieved when the political landscape is free and fair. I look forward to the day with equally strong opposition so that the people can choose, and the people can govern. Well done DA. Better pull you socks up ANC and stop polarizing our nation !!!

      Beverley - 2011-01-25 13:18

      @SamuelM - I like your attitude - we need more peeps like you in our country!!

      reddyvassa - 2011-01-25 13:29

      What about the Indians Melly

      Melly30 - 2011-01-25 13:32

      reddyvassa - Man I dig your curries!!!:) And the Indians - who ever has the right to be in our Country!!! DA is for all...

      Johnny - 2011-01-25 14:25

      ....very easy easy to get a ID document... ...wake up...!!! ...illegals CAN vote...!!!

      Ben - 2011-01-25 14:27

      Johnny prob thinks that the ANC won the 94' elections by importing black people from neighboring countries. Newsflash buddy. You've never been the majority..

      Andy49 - 2011-01-25 19:59

      @Fazil - Injuns not included 'cause they speak with forked tongue. Shaik rattle & roll.

      linpark - 2011-01-26 01:01

      Be very careful what you wish for. The ANC is(not was, is) a terrorist organization. They killed to get into power and they will kill to stay in power. Look around you 55 seats has not gone unnoticed they will not share power. A strong opposition is not what they want or what they fought the "struggle" for. No matter what your view is of the founder/leader of the military wing. Just remember they have never showed any guilt or remorse in fact the words "the ends justified the means" should really worry you.

      Kyle_logan - 2011-01-26 07:12

      @SamuelMabena - well said, wish more people shared your view!

      boepensmanvangraan - 2011-01-26 08:30

      Zimbo's can get SA ID document for cheep cheep.

      Digit - 2011-01-27 11:50

      you mean ... No (PROB)malemas ??????

      Dan - 2011-01-27 12:33

      @ hlase.riba. Yes and we all thought Shabir can't play golf.

      jono.boardman - 2011-03-15 16:34

      @ Johnny. dude are you serious????? zimbos see exactly what the anc are about! just talk to any one that you meet and you will see that they are not only desperate to go home, but also think that south africa is on a one-way course with the morons in charge. dont hate on the zimbos buddy... if old thabo and jz had a sack between the two of them they wouldnt be here in such large numbers. AND, if i may say, the percentage of zim that is literate is FAR higher than literacy here, and the education quality was far higher up until 2000. they have faced a true dictator and have had to move here out of desperation. just wait until these creeps in power do the same and you will climb off that high horse of yours.

  • Darwinian - 2011-01-25 11:48

    We must look into this ANC thing. What causes it and who must be held responsible...

      Greg - 2011-01-25 11:53

      Look into it? Isn't it obvious? They're all responsible, from that illiterate at the top to the cow-dung at the bottom. Empty promises....... eish, no need to continue.

      LUFC - 2011-01-25 11:55

      Hahah look into it? Its a combination of corruption and complete lack of caring for the country.

      Mike or Mpho - 2011-01-25 11:55

      ANC is responsible, and some people are finally seeing it. Admitably too few but at least some have woken up

      Perfume - 2011-01-25 11:56

      ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the wheel is slowly turning, had they serviced the people, used the money to build houses, feed the poor, upgrade hospitals, make sure there are decent furniture in the schools, protected society from crime, maybe just maybe things would of been better for them. The blinkers are being removed from the eyes of people, using the race and apartheid card is going to grow quite dim.

      garriga - 2011-01-25 12:22

      Absolutely brilliant, my man, legendary stuff! Their structure is too...ehh... white! (TEEHEEHEEHEE!!!) No stone must be left unterned(sic!) in finding the solution to this problem thing, maybe set up a judicial commission to investigate. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!

      De Wet - 2011-01-25 12:31

      we all know who is responsible, but those individuals are above the law and are being protected by their fellow comrades. we have looked into this situation for too long. it wont change. its like a band aid-just rip it off!

      robertgunning - 2011-01-25 12:56

      The biggest problem with the ANC isn't their policies, it's the combination of corruption, lack of communication with the public, disregard for the rule of law and covert dealings which cause people to become skeptical and look for alternatives.

      Lottie - 2011-01-25 13:09

      @Darwinian is it possibly Apartheid's fault? (hee hee. Sorry, couldn't resist)

      Zinki - 2011-01-25 13:25

      Yes, Mike/Mpho, the ANC is VERY responsible........ for corruption and nepotism etc, etc, etc. Everyone knows that.

      Cynical Sci - 2011-01-25 13:29

      @Darwinian: Don't you get tired about telling the same joke over and over and over. It's really thin now.

      Darwinian - 2011-01-25 15:03

      We must look into this Cynical Sci thing. What causes it and who must be held responsible... Its called humor. Actually Satirical Humor. So no. Here it might help: have a lovely day

      Spyker - 2011-01-25 16:35

      Kudus Cynical... It is about as novel as his alias.

      AquaticApe - 2011-01-25 21:08

      I think we should get the CSIR to ivestigate and to come up with a solution to this new problem of losing elections.

      SomeLogic - 2011-01-26 09:35

      Responsible...? The "leaders" in the ANC are responsible...Where do we start... does any of the following ring a bell: Malema, Malema, Malema... the "gates" travelgate, armsgate, oilgate, "supposed to be dead or in prison" cdes...personal scandals (irrelevant, really)...changing EE quotas in Western / Northern Cape...avoiding public debate...getting qualified audits...appointing incompetent persons in high positions...taking BEE too far in practice...students /leaners must pass (university quotas to pass students!!!!)...quotas in general...power hunger...status miles above income...conduct during Zuma's phase of legal problems...empty, UNREALISTIC promises...expectation that I must believe the latter - and...Malema...Malema... There you have it Prof Darwin. That is the tip of the iceberg that forever lost my vote for the ANC.

      Digit - 2011-01-27 12:21

      ROFLMAO !!!!!!! .... no-one got the satirical humour in Darwinians comment !!!!! everyone posting is so literal here. .... and the more I think about this comment, the more I laugh .... out of pity !!!

      Digit - 2011-01-27 12:23

      ....because in reality, the ruling party will in all probability set up some kind of Commission of Enquiry as well as an Internal Electoral Workshop and Think Tank ( all paid for by the tax payer ) to "get to the bottom of this" ..... ROFL !!!!

  • Thandi - 2011-01-25 11:53

    Viva Anarchy Nepotism Corruption (ANC)

      garriga - 2011-01-25 12:17


      Tee Ehn - 2011-01-25 13:23

      Don't forget to say "VIVA TRAITORS". I would die voting for the ANC than give DA an opportunity. Once beaten twice.....

      michaelp1 - 2011-01-25 14:42

      The DA should make big stickers of this - I just love it. ANC = Anarchy. Nepotism. Corruption. So true.

      lldoidge - 2011-01-25 15:37

      Mo_Afrika, stop smoking that crap. It's eating your brain and making you hallucinate! Eish!

      pointblankza - 2011-01-25 15:47

      Mo-Afrika, whoonga is a deadly drug, stay away from it. It is already frying your brain.

      Moi1980 - 2011-01-25 16:03

      @Tee Ehn - you're a real fool if that's your only reason for voting ANC @Mo_Afrika - such generalisation and plain idiocy. Do you even know what you are talking about???? So people that vote for the DA kill black people? I have to say, I've been voting for the DA since 98 and I've never once experienced the slightest urge to harm a fellow human being, regardless of their race. Seems you are the one with the problem my friend.

      Michael - 2011-01-26 15:08

      Thani!!!! You are a "STAR"

  • Perfume - 2011-01-25 11:54

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If I was a drinker I would of drank a river of Bells lmao!!!!!!!!

      advurt - 2011-01-25 12:24

      No man - it's Jack Daniels! Just ask JULIE-ASS.

      Perfume - 2011-01-25 12:31


      Craig - 2011-01-25 12:45

      Think Winnie would know the best choice of booze for a celebration...

      Pothole - 2011-01-25 12:58

      Surely one of he best days of my entire life!!!! Can somebody please tell me waht ROFLMAO means.

      degenerate - 2011-01-25 13:05

      Rolling On (the) Floor Laughing My Arse Off

  • ZACKIE - 2011-01-25 11:56

    how can this be true? everything runs so perfectly look at eskom, land bank as examples even our municipalties are 100% solvent

      IandI - 2011-01-25 12:27

      I don't know either. The ANC built those great world cup stadiums, nice RDP houses, free water, state grants etc.? What else do the masses want? A free chicken in every pot?

      IandI - 2011-01-25 14:03

      @people3000 Eish, you also don't get African irony, just like ray.romans. Don't you know all ANC supporters are getting new beemers before the 2011 elections? Eish, pity I'm not one.

      capetownspin - 2011-01-25 14:55

      @ people3000 & ray.romans landl's comment was tongue in cheek; IE. what he was highlighting was the faults of the ANC. "great world cup stadiums" - white elephants built with tax payers money that could have been better used to help the poor. "nice RDP houses" - that is falling apart and that has to be bulldozed to be rebuilt. "free water" - obviously not, they even thought about taxing borehole water at some stage a few years back.

      pointblankza - 2011-01-25 14:59

      Oh landl you silly twit. Construction companies built the stadiums silly... "The ANC built those great world cup stadiums.." HAHAHA... good grief, from one article to another, you funny.

      Beverley - 2011-01-25 16:02

      @ landl - i was there and believe me it was not the "anc" building the stadiums.....

      Beverley - 2011-01-25 16:09

      @landl - RDP Houses - Rapidly Deteriorating Pad Houses - LOL

  • ray.romans - 2011-01-25 11:56

    The wheel turns, however slowly. At last!

      lldoidge - 2011-01-25 15:40

      Mo_Afrika, close your arse and give your mouth a chance!

  • - 2011-01-25 11:57

    Will never vote ANC again they are not what we fought for have become greedy self centerd money hungery cheats with hidden agendas, Let the new struggle begin to get those in power to be held accountable as they are just members of the public voted in to represent us as a nation.

      mashudu.ronaldo - 2011-01-25 12:05

      Yes yes ja people have finally realized that ANC is fake, comeon people vote DA lets turn everything around, its time to make it one nation, no malemas no corruption

      Perfume - 2011-01-25 12:11

      People have woken up, using the race and apartheid card on the masses does not feed, house and educate them, the wheel as turned however slowly, it has turned :)

      lmduplessis - 2011-01-26 01:03

      Vote for the DA to get the ANC out of power. From then on people can start making oppossition parties to try and unseat the DA. This is how democracy works. GO FOR IT.

  • daaivark - 2011-01-25 11:58

    Well no surprises here.

  • David van Niekerk - 2011-01-25 12:00

    Come on guys get your children that have become of age to vote as well. I have noticed most 18 year olds do not vote. They are our future and if they realise and talk about how the ANC youth are. Then surely DA is our next best thing since Nissan 1400 bakkie

  • prholman - 2011-01-25 12:01

    ironic that the ANC is educating people not to vote for them isn't it? Lets just hope they don't try and hold onto power like in Zimbabwe, Kenya, Congo, Ivory Coast etc.............too easy to happen, too many to suffer.

      Craig - 2011-01-25 12:50

      Thats been my theory all along...the ANC doesn't want better education in the country because then they will be outa there pretty quick.

      exocist - 2011-01-26 19:20

      you can't hold on to power forever, eventually people will say enough is enough and overthrow a goverment, it 1st happened in france then russia it even happened here and those days we had a powerfull defence force, i don,t think today's watered down micky mouse sandf can hold out very long if they want to hold on to power after losing an election i said it before the anc is slowly loosing ground, viva to all south african law abiding citizens you can't bullshit the people all the time

  • Dougalan - 2011-01-25 12:04

    About time voters woke up! Political parties aren't like soccer teams that you support through thick and thin. Around the world, governments have to DELIVER - or they get kicked out. Slowly, more and more ANC supporters - especially the better educated ones - are realising that the ANC has allowed virtually everything to go backwards over the last 17 years. And to make matters worse, they have greedily enriched themselves with billions of taxpayers' money that hasn't gone to helping the poor. Meanwhile, the multiracial DA in the Cape is delivering service and getting unqualified audits - meaning no money gone 'missing' like in most ANC-run municipalities. The voters' choice is now clear: decent government and service delivery or increasingly rotten service delivery as proven over the last 17 years.

      people.3000 - 2011-01-25 14:51

      Shabshit, you are correct, the DA delivered 5 times more toilets than they needed to, according to the ANC there should be 1 toilet for every 5 families, the DA thought this is ridiculous and choose to give 1 toilet for every family, as this is a huge extra expense, they asked the community if they wanted 1 closed one for 5 families or 1 open one for each family? Obviously the community agreed to 1 per house and they would close it. Out of the the thousands, 50 homes didn't keep their end of the bargain, the ANCYL came in and broke the enclosures the DA put up afterwards for hte 50 families. DA again went above and beyond. The ANCYL did say they were going to make Western Cape ungovernable, but luckily failed, just like you with you racist one sided view of South Africa. (by the way... because of the Chinese and Japanese communities in Sea Point, I can understand if you feel like a foreigner. Oh and in Cape Town we try to embrace all cultures...get with the program.

      pointblankza - 2011-01-25 15:03

      But ShabirS, you know very well white people get ripped off with rates. We actually pay EVERY month for those services out of our pockets.

      Worldwise - 2011-01-25 15:10

      Hey Shabshit, I would feel like a foreigner in Gugulethu restautants and shebeens. Because of this I don't go to them. Get with the program, birds of a feather flock together. By the way, reread the DA toilet story properly this time and you will find the ANCYL broke down the toilets, not the DA, who built 5 times as many as they should have. You still believing the ANCYL deception?

      lldoidge - 2011-01-25 15:43

      ShabirS, WHEN I lived in Cape Town. "When" being the key word!!!! You're not living here now that the DA is running the show so you are in no position to add your two cent's worth.

  • NickDemus - 2011-01-25 12:07

    I don't give a flying *$#^ who runs this country, all I want is a non racial government who has the whole of SA at heart, one that creates a united country, a better place for all in it and a country that moves forward into the next century.

      garriga - 2011-01-25 12:16

      No need to give nothing, thats why SAA is there for: they do the flying *$#^ thing. TEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEE!!!!

      thabo.sebe - 2011-01-25 12:41

      truly said Nickdemus, United we stand & apart we fall. I am also tired of this division of different races in one country

      Cynical Sci - 2011-01-25 13:39

      At this point, I'd settle for a completely morally bankrupt government, so long as they had more of an idea of how to run a country well, than the government we have. If they could be mprally sound on top of that, all the better.

      WhySoAngry? - 2011-01-26 10:22

      your comment contradicts itself...on the one hand you say you don't care who runs the country but on the other hand you say which type of government you want....NickDemus, its your right/responsibility to vote for the representative who closely fits in with the values you aspire can make a difference locally by voting for the Councillor that will do whats best for EVERYONE in his/her constituency. So get off your ass register to vote and go vote...

      NickDemus - 2011-01-26 13:04

      WhySoAngry? Eish Boet, you know what I meant. My lazy ass goes to the polls everytime (and I don't vote ANC)

      shaunandroweena - 2011-01-26 15:13

      i agree with you 100% however, by just gleaning over the comments here with their racist undertones i would say that creating a unified country is a far off dream...

      duduzile.dunicz - 2011-01-26 15:43

      I'm with you! Most people want the same thing.

  • lenand40 - 2011-01-25 12:08

    Problem with this survey is that it is not representative. How many of the wards the ANC lost are in the Western Cape and how many of those they gained are in other provinces? These sort of surveys have the effect of galvanising the ANC and end up with a situation where their supporters who would not have bothered to vote, will end up voting. What is more important is how many times has the SAIRR been wrong in their predictions? The ANC does notoriously bad in by-elections only to turn the tide during the actual elections. Hold on to your hats before you start celebrating

      garriga - 2011-01-25 12:16


      pop101 - 2011-01-25 12:28

      Call be unbelieving Thomas, but I would like to see the end results first.

      Ryno Rousseau - 2011-01-25 13:03

      Yeah, because come election day they stand in front of the booths handing out "free" t-shirts...

      Em - 2011-01-25 13:06

      I'm in agreement. Lets wait for the final result before celebrating. Then again with so much dissent amongst the people, if they do win, then we need to investigate. Its like America, Americans complain about Obama and I always ask them who voted him into power? Their response, I didn't vote for him. My response well a whole bunch of people did thats why he is where he is. VOTE!!! Make a difference

      edward.abrahams - 2011-01-25 13:18

      @lenand40-Friend. It is an undisputed fact, the ANC has let many, many South Africans down. They have been in power for over 15years and yes, there's been improvements, no doubt but there has been many, many very, very serious and absolutely questionable let downs from a 'supposed to be' party of integrity. I voted 4 them in the past & by God's Grace, I will NEVER cast my vote to them again. They have become a party of double standards & disgraceful empty promises. People are suffering in the townships with lack of basic needs not met while they SQUANDER MILLIONS on 'youth congress' meetings. Leaders, LEAD BY EXAMPLE and their LAVISH LIFESTYLES prove that they are NOT SINCERELY interested in the needs of struggling South Africans. There is SO MUCH that needs 2 b done and 15 years is OVER ENOUGH time in which 2 have done MOST of what needed to be done. They had their chance, we FAIRLY gave it 2 them, now they need 2 step down...EMPTY PROMISES OR NOT! You CANNOT allow CORRUPTION, LAWLESSNESS, CRIME, DEATH, DISREGARD FOR THE LAW(blue-light bullies for example, etc.), BEE(unfair capitalism), the SUFFERING POOR, LIFE THREATENING POTHOLES, MINDLESS TALK(certain ANC youth league members 2 get away with insensitive remarks toward fellow South Africans) & SO MUCH more 2 rule our lives in this BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY. As a country, we r going down and before it is too late, we need 2 stop it by not allowing a government who refuses 2 c what is going on around it. Itz just a matter of time!

      Picasso - 2011-01-26 08:49

      Agree with lenand40. Just before every election the ANC make all this WILD promisises to the people, and they fall for it. They believe the promises, get false hope and vote for the ANC, just to be disappointed AGAIN. They just never learn.

  • JustinD - 2011-01-25 12:12

    Its an educational thing. Go to school/varsity etc...make yourself clever and then decide for YOURSELF what's best for our country. As opposed to filling soccer stadiums with the unfortunate uneducated majority who will vote upon receiving a free yellow T shirt along with a plate of pap.

      ray.romans - 2011-01-25 12:49

      Chanel, the hair was not burnt. That is the natural look.

      pointblankza - 2011-01-25 15:05

      Gee Charnel, have you been asleep for, oh, like 16 years?

      Worldwise - 2011-01-25 15:17

      Chanel, what about the 20 000 blacks murdered in the townships by the ANC for thinking differently during the struggle? Wonder what the hair of a necklace victim looks like? Then we have the fact that 90% of the MK army in Angola mutinied in 1984. Pity you can't ask Chris Hani and Joe Modise what happened to them in the Quatro detention camp in Angola. Don't believe me? Google it.

      lindorsu - 2011-01-26 10:09

      @JustinD totally agreed - its all about education. @Chanel except for the fact that you have no manner, no comprehension of what you read (shows lack of education) and have been asleep for much more than 16 years you show a scary lack of insight. Plse do as Worldwise suggest and do a bit of googling - but first do a course in comprehension.

  • DeonL - 2011-01-25 12:14

    "You can fool some people some of the time, but not all the people all of the time" Glad some people are voting differently. For the people that believes service delivery is not so bad: Did you see the Brits road that was closed? A Bike can drown in some of those Kimberley Holes! These roads in other Prov. are a disgrace.

  • TheWasp - 2011-01-25 12:17

    Not surprising at all...thats what happens when fat cat lazy ANC politicians / Counselors rock up to Muncipal offices and do NOTHING! No service delivery..No Nothing/squat/nada/zilch/zero/boggarall the only work they do is pass on tenders to their 'other' companies and on to their mates, get rich, buy laanie houses / cars and get rich whilst the people that voted them live in Shacks!!!!!

  • daboss247365 - 2011-01-25 12:22

    LOL, last week the institute of race relations was called an ANC puppet on this forum for stating that more blacks have paid up houses.. hahaha, these forums make me laugh. Anyways back to the point, looking good, we need strength in the opposition :)

      Kaleidoscope - 2011-01-25 12:36

      @daboss - True, people agree with with stats when it is favouring their opinion. We will only see if these stats from the SAIRR are correct when the elections takes place. I do however think that more people are getting educated and are beginning to see what the current ANC members is doing for the country(F**k*l)!

      Vedder - 2011-01-25 12:53

      @daboss...DA is coming, your time of BEE is coming to an END!!

  • Alfred - 2011-01-25 12:23

    They better not lose too much support because it will be a cold day in hell when the ANC loses an election and says, "Well guys, we gave it our best shot but the better party one in the end. Congratulations, here are the keys to the country."

      Alfred - 2011-01-25 12:29

      *won Jeez, I'm starting to spell like a member of the ANCYL now...

      Melly30 - 2011-01-25 14:10

      It's okay... Your fingers can't keep up with your mind!:)

      Lanfear - 2011-01-26 09:15

      Yes Alfred, it is sad to think that if the unthinkable happens, and the ANC actually does lose an election, there will probably be the same mess that is happening in the Ivory Coast now. I just cannot see the ANC stepping down willingly...

  • linsam - 2011-01-25 12:29

    I think the ANC is in line to lose City of Joburg - thanks to the incompetence and arrogance of their employees - who treat the ratepayers with total contempt. The municipal employees are better election campainers for the DA than the DA themselves could ever be! They continually blame the SAP system for the billing problems - but SAP was implemented last year - and these problems have been on going for nearly 10 years. The reality is - garbage in - garbage out. If you employ illiterate and inumerate people to enter the data, and handle queries you are guaranteed to have chaos. It took 2 years for City of Joburg to finally change the incorrect address details on my account despite being sent the correct details on a monthly basis. (how is SAP to blame for this???) I have also been waiting 2.5 years for them to open an account for a sectional title unit. Again - SAP is not to blame - it is the lazy and incompetent staff who ignore all correspondence - whether via email, the website, or forms handed into Thuso house in person. Ditto the officials who are paid to issue clearance certificates. It takes between 12 months and 24 months to get accurate figures from City of Joburg - but only 3 to 7 day to get them from City of Cape Town. SARS, which is universally regarded as the most competent goverment entity also uses SAP .... the only difference is that they employee people based on their knowlege and expertise - and not because of their political affiliations.

      Fazil - 2011-01-25 12:48

      I agree with your comments on the City as I have had similiar experiences but have to disagree with you on SARS. They are equally incompetent and useless! SARS does not provide aservice it merely is a collection agency, full ofpeople who also do not know what they are doing!!!

      Cynical Sci - 2011-01-25 13:46

      We can only hope. Wouldn't that be funny, the DA holding the two hub cities.

  • jiamalunga - 2011-01-25 12:31

    Imperialist News24 article!

      Dougalan - 2011-01-25 12:43

      Now THAT'S a really intellectual post! How about adding 'Viva my ANC Viva viva vivaa!' Instead, in response, pse could you try and defend the crookery being evidenced on a daily basis by top ANC honcho's. Because it IS happening, you know; new stories come out every single week. Is it OK, you reckon, to rip off public money for your own good then?

      Greg - 2011-01-25 12:49

      Dougalan, do you really expect an intelligent response to that from him / her or it? eish, thet oooone duzzent hev iefen wun brayn sell that she weks!

      Bill - 2011-01-25 13:01

      Precisely the comment I would expect from an Imperialist supporter...! But, do not argue with an idiot! He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

      Mike - 2011-01-25 15:54

      @ jiamalunga : Typical comment from a plebaean technocratic fashist.

      Picasso - 2011-01-26 08:51


  • Watwat - 2011-01-25 12:31

    very interesting.. I would say if the major cities of Johannesburg / Pretoria, PE and of course Cape Town are controlled by another political party, even if that party did not receive the overall majority vote it would in a more powerfull situation that the actual ruling party. as it would have the necessary business relationships strengthed within these business hubs and the ratepayers support to gain through effective service. Go for it DA, create some new songs for the movement! songs that sing of crushing the corruption and greediness, enlist the young blacks that you also see as being included in your ambitions and doctrines. Well done so far, but there is a battle on the horison they need all the support they can get.

      Picasso - 2011-01-26 08:54

      Imagine what will happen if the ANC loose Gauteng! Where will the cadres get big tenders from?

  • enjay.1014 - 2011-01-25 12:35

    The winds of change is blowing. The DA is doing a fantastic job. Keep it up. This time around Im voting DA. My loyalty to the ANC has been hanging by a thread long enough. Ive given them the benifit of the doubt far to long. Bye bye ANC your time is running out.

      allie - 2011-01-25 13:10

      Preach the good word to your factory,shop,garden and kitchen workers.Read the newspapers for them. Inform them.DA is the way to go.

  • Bill - 2011-01-25 12:37

    It is only a matter of time that the nation starts to wake up to this non delivering thieving government. Let the wheels of time chase the ANC down.

  • Homo-Sapien - 2011-01-25 12:37

    "Omnia mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis" its coming...

      degenerate - 2011-01-25 13:13


      Cynical Sci - 2011-01-25 13:49

      Waxing! Nicely put.

      Melly30 - 2011-01-25 14:12

      What does "Omnia mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis" mean?

      pointblankza - 2011-01-25 15:07

      @Melly30... Live by Gandhi, learn by Google.

      ray.romans - 2011-01-25 15:13

      Melly: All things are changing, and we change with them

      Bill - 2011-01-26 12:45

      Forsitan et mutamur in illis ... Sed tunc solum loqui pro temet

  • Bosduif - 2011-01-25 12:39

    No worries. Promises (Empty) just before election time and they will get the votes. I don't really care who is in charge just do the job you were appointed for and do it well. Currently... it's not the case.

  • Viv - 2011-01-25 12:44

    But what did they expect - you promise the world and deliver shit what did you think would happen.

  • Simangaliso-semvelo - 2011-01-25 12:45

    what did they say about national election in 2009 & who laugh last. There are still prophet of doom. - 2011-01-25 12:53

      You better vote ANC if you dont want to piss your ancestors off...

      Christie - 2011-01-25 12:55

      Who are "they"? What is your point?

      Wonderboy - 2011-01-25 13:25

      I don't think you are actually laughing but JZ and his family are!

      Dewet - 2011-01-25 13:26

      @Simangaliso-semvelo Expect a little bit more from your leaders They can do much better than what they are currently doing and I think you deserve more also. Just a thought

      Beverley - 2011-01-25 16:21

      @ simangaliso - Another idiot with a computer to their disposal.....

  • Brandon96end - 2011-01-25 12:49

    Yeah, you can only be completely useless at your job for limited period. Eventually you are found out.

  • Cyril - 2011-01-25 12:51

    Well done DA, kill this criminal anc beast as fast as possible please, we are begging you~!!!

  • kolz - 2011-01-25 12:54

    Im Black young educated employed citizen of Umzantsi residing in Nyanga East (the most popular crime township) my vote goes for DA and luckly my family will practise their right to vote and for DA.My grandma voted ANC in 1994 hoping her grandchildren will at least get descend houses at an affordable price obviously not free but all we experienced is corruption among them i so wish that in the next national election they loose 5 provinces,

      tkotze - 2011-01-25 13:19

      I hope and trust the DA won't dissapoint. Next thing hopefully the local SAPS can be managed locally, and organisations like ANCYL will stop disrupting and destroying provided services. And with this hopefully your crime can be decreased, and more services provided efficiently and be available to the current generation, not the next. Good luck, and hope in your local community things will get better.

      people.3000 - 2011-01-25 14:19

      The-wannabe-man-who, luckily apartheid is over and your yelling at a wall of reality.(aka, flogging a dead horse)

      michaelp1 - 2011-01-25 14:53

      @The-Man-Who. You epitomize why we are going backwards.

      people.3000 - 2011-01-25 14:55

      Anyone throwing money around like that, won't have much later...

      Worldwise - 2011-01-25 15:32

      Ah, Shabir, you have learnt a good lesson. Nobody cares how rich you are in Cape Town. Or if you're black or any other colour. You thought to impress by throwing money around. Bad mistake, in CT the rich don't do that. You were just seen as unmannered arrogant braggarts. You actually insulted the watresses by flashing cash they take a long time to earn. CT is also laid back, never expect anyone to jump for you, they just don't. Ever work in a restaurant? You didn't get served by any waiter other than yours even if they weren't busy because waiters are allocated tables. Learn how things work before opening your big mouth and swallowing your foot. The newly rich need to learn some manners and how to behave.

      Beverley - 2011-01-25 16:24

      @worldwise - that is so true!!!

      Worldwise - 2011-01-26 10:45

      Thanks Beverly, but once again News 24 has deleted Shabirs' comment making this whole thread useless. I wish News 24 would leave freedom of speech and expression alone.

  • Amelam - 2011-01-25 12:56

    @hlase.riba. In a corrupt country such as this the Zimbabweans will have no problem in getting registered as voters.

      Nebula - 2011-01-25 13:01

      Aaaaagh man, leave Zimbabweans alone... just another stupid statement...

      Simon - 2011-01-26 07:56

      Are the Zimbabweans the only foreginers here who are entitled to vote FLAWED MIND

  • - 2011-01-25 12:56

    Hopefully the electorate will remember the wasted millions by our fatcat politicians on hotels, fancy cars, as well as give aways and write offs to other countries not to mention corruption and do the right thing

  • watalife - 2011-01-25 13:00

    Well done to the DA. I am not totally convinced that the IEC will show the same results.I wonder what Nut head malema will have to say about this.It seems to me the tables are turning against nut head malema but he will never get the point will he.

      lmduplessis - 2011-01-26 01:12

      Someone should "point" it out for him.

  • Nam - 2011-01-25 13:01

    For those who is serious in opposing the ANC in the coming local government elections, please register as a voter and encourage others to do the same.

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-01-25 13:08

    Hmmmm...I wonder live in KZN's Capital city of filth (Pmb) which is presently under admin which is wholly & solely as a result of our ANC led council. These F@cker$ think that trimming the verges at election time is good enough, well they gonna see their moer !!!

      Alwyn - 2011-01-25 15:08

      Yesterday you were pro ANC ,today your tune changed, typical injun,butter the bread on both sides

      Beverley - 2011-01-25 16:25

      @ alwyn - don't be an ass...

  • Dundermoose - 2011-01-25 13:13

    Viva ma Zille!!

  • Melly30 - 2011-01-25 13:15

    Fazil - FOR ALL whom have the RIGHT and legal Documents to Stay in our Country!!! DA is for ALL...

  • Teboho Montse - 2011-01-25 13:18

    Interesting practicalities, I am worrried.

      pointblankza - 2011-01-25 15:22

      Don't be worried, do the right thing and let the ANC worry ;)

  • Homer - 2011-01-25 13:19

    this doesn't make any difference. nothing has change. once things change then Viva!!

  • Felodese - 2011-01-25 13:20

    eish I don't belief, Jesus is coming.

      hlase.riba - 2011-01-25 14:02

      you will believe it when the devil welcomes you in the eternal fires of hell...

      pointblankza - 2011-01-25 15:23

      Jesus is in hell???

      Picasso - 2011-01-26 09:00

      Lol, pointbankza, good one.

  • - 2011-01-25 13:22

    Now the ANC will blame racism for this!

  • - 2011-01-25 13:22

    South Africa WILL win the fight against the ANC!

      Perfume - 2011-01-25 18:54

      People are starting to see the light ^-^

      Picasso - 2011-01-26 09:01

      I don't think so, people clearly believe empty promises above logic.

  • ji - 2011-01-25 13:24

    WELL DONE DA AND WELL DONE SOUTH AFRICANS , its about time that all South Africans vote for a party that will serve all the people of SA regardless of colour and not vote for the useless self enriching racists like malema and zuma (ANC) that does absolutely nothing for the people . the people are opening their eyes and that is a good thing .

      Sive - 2011-01-25 14:40

      Agree 100 percent they have lost it but I am still looking for a party that will serve all the people regardless of colour DA i dont think so so let us not lie to each other we can see South Africa has been reduced to a Zulu nation and every development and events must be in KwaZulu Natal. My eyes a really opened Zuma is only close to Zulus than South African. Poor Limpopo and Eastern Cape were used only to suffer but its time for us to say NO to this.

      people.3000 - 2011-01-25 16:07

      Sive, what is the reason you think the DA doesn't represent all South African, can you explain please...

  • Jim - 2011-01-25 13:36

    I agree we need ONE NATION and this country can Rock, we don't need the racist types that have nothing to offer this country. What colour you are is immeterial, we are all South African, and we would like this country to go forward not like Zimbabwe.

  • amabok - 2011-01-25 13:39

    ANC give up power? Ya right! Zimbabwe here we come!

  • GH - 2011-01-25 13:44

    Guys, even my domestic from Diepsloot is going to vote DA. She says Zuma sings his machine gun songs, while criminals run amock. She has a huge water bill for a leak she reported two years ago. It's not just us educated, internet folk that can see what is happening.

      GH - 2011-01-25 14:40

      @ hlase.riba: Why do you assume she earns a measly wage? I think you assume too much. Do you think the victims of crime of all races will continue to vote ANC? Do you think the xx thousand people who have received ridiculous bills from City of Joburg, will continue to vote ANC?

      michaelp1 - 2011-01-25 14:54

      @hlase.riba - ASSUME = Make an ass out you and me. Remember ANC = Anarcy. Nepotism. Corruption.

      Mike - 2011-01-25 16:02

      Get a grip Kgaugelo! You simply spread your petty racist views with no basis! People are not scared of the "swart gevaar" we are scared of incompotence. This is not a race issue you MORON!!

  • sbuda - 2011-01-25 13:56

    keep on believing your stats taken in Orania most probably.just like you believed the ANC would lose the election, and just like you believed the ANC would never come into power,and just like you believed COPE would topple the ANC, keep on believing .....................

      GH - 2011-01-25 14:03

      I don't believe the ANC will lose. However if there is a strong opposition, maybe, just maybe these councillors will realise that they have to get off their a$$es and actually EARN their fat salaries.

      hlase.riba - 2011-01-25 14:08

      and just like we believe that the ANC will never win the Western Cape again

      sbuda - 2011-01-25 15:15

      GH i agree we were lax on most of these councillors but we have cracked the whip, gotten rid of the useles ones and have adopted a new way of appointing them with much more involvement of the communities they'll be representing.....................on the other hand you get people like hlas.riba in total denial of the inevitable, ill make it a point to remember your name and ill make you a guest of honour when we've won it back

      pointblankza - 2011-01-25 15:27

      Er, sbuda, nothing wrong with dreaming mate. But what does the ANC have to offer the Western Cape when it is already the best run province in the country? THe ANC lost because they were useless. The DA took over and made it the best province, so tell me what are the ANC going to do for the WC?

      ocon777 - 2011-01-25 15:33

      And who believed all these things sbuda? Did the ANC tell you this? As long as they do their job properly, can provide services, keep control of their spending and not on lavish luxuries AND set an excellent example for the rest of us plebs to follow, give them the job!!! if they cant do it, give it to someone who can. There is no excuse for bad service.

      mm - 2011-01-25 15:37

      sbuda you chop. It is not about winning or losing, and luckily we know that. If a democracy is balanced, you have strong opposition, like in the US. And if the ruling party does not give visible results, but empty promises, like the democrats, they are scared to death, because come next election they might lose again. So they are ruled by the people, not the other way around.

      Kgaugelo - 2011-01-25 15:41

      chorus of individuals hiding behind a computer posting fears of 'swartgevaar' whilst all the ANC branches had been given instructions by Luthuli house to organise and assist all those who are displaced by the recent floods. ANC leads, ANC lives....

      people.3000 - 2011-01-25 16:11

      Sbuda, didn't ANC say that no one will ever take the Western Cape from ANC rule, well DA did, is your memory that short?

      people.3000 - 2011-01-25 16:19

      Kgaugelo, firstly, who is posting fears of 'swartgevaar'? Secondly...perfect example, die DA branches has already started helping the displaced people, the ANC branches has to wait for orders from the Toytoy house. Can't they solve problems on their own? Shouldn't it be a given to help people, not to tell everyone how wonderful you are and how much you help the needy, just to get some more votes?

      ocon777 - 2011-01-25 16:49

      Kgaugelo wtf my man????? Its not swartgevaar I fear, its lack-of-ability-to-do-job-gevaar I fear. I also helped in assisting all those flood victims with donations. Even though I dont support ANC and they do they are Human 1st & foremost and need our help which we give to them. Glad the ANC can use my money for something good at long last. keep up the charity work guys it well appreciated. Pity its taken so long to get here, but at least they're doing something right. And the Church does waaaay more to help poor individuals than the ANC. Its Churches that run soup kitchens not the gov, its churches that hold jumble sales to help out, not the ANC. Churches give out sarmies to the needy children, Not ANC. This is every month of every year and not just when disaster hits. If your ANC buddies are part of those churches = top notch!

      Picasso - 2011-01-26 09:04

      "gotten rid of the useles ones" LOL! sbuda you're a funny guy! Why is Zuma and Malema still in power then?

  • JohannV - 2011-01-25 13:56

    Tick tock tick tock

  • Zakhele - 2011-01-25 14:07

    Can somebody in my ANC please tell me how to get the BEE and BBBEE tenders before they loose me as well? Answer: Oh no, oh no the ANC represent the interest of the poor....All that shit. Interest of the poor my foot! Dissolve the useless ANCYL before our country becomes a safe havens for the thugs.

      Melly30 - 2011-01-25 14:22


      Alwyn - 2011-01-25 15:05

      Well said,you must definitely be a true South African

  • ShabirS - 2011-01-25 14:37

    I beleive that there is a need forstronger opposition in SA and I hoped COPE was going to help in creating such. Personally I do not think DA has changed much since Tony Leon, only represent white interest. Cape Town is like little Australia. Coloreds and Indians need to unite and create their organisation that will serve our interests

      people.3000 - 2011-01-25 15:00

      shouldn't you be dead or dying? Isn't that how you got out of jail?

      pointblankza - 2011-01-25 15:12

      Um, actually for your information. THe DA is the most racially representative party in South Africa. You been cooped up inside too long, come out and play apartheid is over and the blacks are in charge..... welcome back.

      Zakhele - 2011-01-25 15:33

      Shabir S: Most Indians and Coloureds who vote already vote for DA anyway. If you form a Indians/Coloureds party I am afraid you will be alone in that party. People (or should I say we) simply don't trust those two groups because they keep on changing between being white (when in offices) and black (when banking money for JZ, Mantashes & the Vavis) depending where money is, let alone if they are together in bed now as you suggest. Arabs simply don't vote but they will bank money for Zuma and offer a suitcase to get tenders whilst they don't bank their own money but keep it under matresses. My apology to you Sir if I am harsh. This is the reality, face it.