ANC must stop interfering - Mazibuko

2012-03-10 16:16

Johannesburg - The African National Congress is determined to interfere in the work of the judiciary and the Constitution, Democratic Alliance parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko said on Saturday.

"The Constitution, our national compact, is above party politics. It must stand as governments come and go, including this one [the ANC government]," Mazibuko told delegates at the party's provincial congress in Pretoria.

She said the party's strength in Parliament would ensure that it could oppose any changes the ANC wanted to make to overturn the foundational values and principles of the Constitution.

These were premised on non-racialism, the separation of powers, the independence of the judiciary, unity and equality in diversity.

"We will do whatever we must to defend and protect these values," she said.

30% of national vote

Mazibuko admitted that the DA's target to double its vote in the next election was ambitious.

"We aim to win 30% of the national vote in 2014... It is an ambitious target, yes, but it is also one which we have reached through a great deal of research."

She said it was possible given that currently the party had the support of 24% of the population, which meant that one in four South Africans was a DA voter.

One of the primary goals would be to govern Gauteng either by winning outright or in a coalition.

"If the DA wins here, we can win everywhere. If the DA can govern Gauteng in 2014, we can govern South Africa in 2019," said Mazibuko.

  • Marion - 2012-03-10 16:23

    Do whatever you have to in order to prevent them messing with those things that are sacrosanct. South Africa's constitution and judiciary is no political party's playground to make and break as they see fit.

      Spyker - 2012-03-10 16:40

      Jack - are you stoned..?

      Andres - 2012-03-10 16:41

      Jack: Seeing you have to resort to personal insults to bring Mazibuko down, shows you have no real rebuttal to her legitimate arguments. Well done, you've painted yourself as being just rude, not an intellectual.

      Mzwandile - 2012-03-10 16:52

      @ Jack - no need to be personal please bring an argument that is what we are interested into here. Think about it if one of the "white" commentators can say the same thing about Thandi Modise you will be first to call racism. Please Chief don't play the woman play the ball.

      Mano-Lee - 2012-03-10 17:17

      @vegi - come on man or woman, whatever you are. You desire for land is becoming a little boring. Just go and buy a piece. Everyday you spew the same rubbish. again (cause im bored too) you stole it first, we then came and conquered you. Accept defeat, you were weak and lost. A greater force came and conquered a weaker force. Just like your forefather did when they butchered the Khoi and San people. @Jack - you are a dog boy. Comment on her capabilities rather than what you assume is a weakness.

      Andres - 2012-03-10 17:22

      People don't need land, they need JOBS! Land doesn't equate to wealth. Small commercial farms are being bought up left-right-and-centre as economies of scale only favour large farming conglomerates. Agriculture is not a strategic growth sector of the economy. They've got you by the nuts by creating a ruse for the real reasons behind poverty: Poor education, poor governance leading to lack-of-services, poor developmental policy and lacklustre parastatals and dismal ability to foster a good climate for small business. Wake up to the REAL issues before the cunning politicians dispossess you of your future by creating scapegoats.

      jacques.beyers - 2012-03-10 18:00

      And Jack, you probably have sex with goats, so why should anyone listen to you? I think your real anger is aimed at Lindiwe Mazibuko because she is female, and intelligent. I think your problem is that you are a sexist, racist bigot, and have no place on this planet, other than in Zimbabwe. So my plea is that you pack up your meager belongings, and emigrate to the land of Bob.

      jacques.beyers - 2012-03-10 18:04

      @vegi - intelligence???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA Read up how many of the ANC members have matric. Your Zooomer does not even have a high school education. Look at the mighty Julius Malema. At least he scraped through matric, but look at his results. Clearly intelligence does not play a part.

      Wendy - 2012-03-10 18:10

      Jack ... would you like the constitution to change ? do you even ever think?

      Wendy - 2012-03-10 18:12

      Vegi, but the land that has been given (not bought) to you is sitting doing nothing, the homes that were once beautiful are destroyed .. so tell me .. what do you want to do with the land that was never yours?

      Elize - 2012-03-10 18:55

      @Jack what about your future leader Malema he is the fatest of them all, infact every time I see him he has gained a couple of pounds!!

      Irene - 2012-03-10 19:46

      Well done LIndiwe. You go girl. Show these crooked, corrupt fools how it's done.

      makuzeniz - 2012-03-10 22:48

      All sensible people think likewise

  • Francois - 2012-03-10 16:42

    Lindiwe, I think your focus on Gauteng is honourable and at the same time ambitious. Your pariy's predictions in the Municipal elections were not that correct, with PE and Potch not falling from the ANC, however great show of strength in the WC and NC and once again in one municipality in Gauteng. The problem you are facing is a cruel one in that you need to make inroads areas where inroads have been made by other parties like the IFP in KZN and Cope in the EC and to some extent in the FS only for them to put up such a fight and poor show (yes Buthelezi that includes you) that the vote has gone back to the ANC. You thus need to court votes for the DA and for those who don't want to vote for the DA to give their votes for other parties than the ANC.If you need a coalition partner it will not be the ANC, I guess and you on your own will not get the swing votes in KZN and the EC. Go for the NC and NW and south FS, then at least you can get a geographical ring of good governance so that people can see their neighbours doing well and also if the windgat ANC people want to travel with blue lights, they can only get to the EC and then have to switch it off. It will also be nice to get a couple of trekker drivers to drive in front of these brigades then. 30% will do just fine - that plus another let's say 5% from the IFP and Cope and the NFP and the FF+ will also force the Zuma to govern the whole of SA properly and not just a faction of the ANC.

      Francois - 2012-03-10 17:16

      Ai tog Veggie, firstly I am not planning. I just commented. I never oppressed anybody and if you do have evidence of it, please state it here sommer right here. I will not deny that have had numerous opportunities as a result of partheid, but the first vote that I cast in my life was to stop it. Then on your previous posts: Can you please state what land was stolen from you, by whom and when? Please do us that favour - then we can have a debate.

      Mano-Lee - 2012-03-10 17:22

      @vegi - thats right vegi, you're quite happy to recieve instructions from the current opressors.

      Francois - 2012-03-10 18:30

      Veqi, will you mind to answer me,please? The questions posed at 17h16 and the following: Where is the yellow sea? Do you not consider the slow distribution of antiretrovirals as evil? Where is Iberia or did you mean Spain? If Winnie posed as human shield can you please give us a link to a website that can confirm it. (I don't think she will fit into a silo). If whites makes up only between 12 to 15 % of the population and the DA won 22% of the vote with liberal policies, who are the so called evil right wingers? And please remember Codesa was a negotiated settlement, ie the ANC settled, they were not under duress. It was not a compromise - Mbeki, Mandela and yes even Zuma had a hand to play in it - that should make them in your eyes just as evil as the so called right wingers.

      Khutso Rele Mokgosi - 2012-03-10 21:42

      lol yoh Vegi! yellow sea?

  • Carlton Bana - 2012-03-10 16:59

    DA should focas on the NC, PE( even-though it isnt the MEs yet), maybe even try to bring the NFP into it's alliance to target the KwaZulu-Natal voters, the only other province to be governed by an opposition. The other provinces atleast reduce the ANC to under 65 percent.

  • Andy - 2012-03-10 17:05

    "South Africa is the only country in the world where affirmative action is in the favor of the majority who has complete political control. The fact that the political majority requires affirmative action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to a complete failure on their part to build their own wealth making structures, such that their only solution is to take it from others." London Financial Times.

      Sam - 2012-03-10 21:45

      so that its published by London times , who cares

  • sariena.robbertse - 2012-03-10 17:06

    Vegi,you sound drunk again.Go and sober up first.Stop talking the idiot language.Try English when you sober

  • Carlton Bana - 2012-03-10 17:15

    Vegi should start debating facts ruther then insulting someone who does not give a rat tush.

      Carlton Bana - 2012-03-10 18:01

      Yes you are free to make up your mind , but do you need to resort to insultss attacking someone instead iof debating the policies and reducing everything to race.

  • Sour - 2012-03-10 17:19

    jack thats so very rude, your attitude towards fat people sucks!!!

  • Tebogo Ngulube - 2012-03-10 17:19

    You sound like DA fan sorry to you to sariana

  • msfletcher1 - 2012-03-10 17:20

    First the press, then the judiciary and the Constitution. Looks like the ANC are running scared, because once they are out of power, all their rotten skeletons will come tumbling out of the closet.

  • Tebogo Ngulube - 2012-03-10 17:40

    Did anyone so the numbers of COSATU on wesday that was the ANC members.

      Francois - 2012-03-10 18:18

      I do not understand your comment: Did you get free OBE? Did you ask: Did anyone see the numbers of Cosatu members that were also ANC member on Wednesday? Or: Did any sow the numbers of Cosatu numbers to the ANC members on Wednesday? Or Did anyone sow the numbers of Cosatu member in the ANC members on Wednesday? And once you have figures out the correct question: What is the relevance thereto to the article? Did they not teach you comprehension? Even if you saw relevance that a lot of ANC members joined the march, what is the point? Cosatu is part of the tripartite alliance with Vavi the defacto president of SA. And Cosatu is not a political party it is a labour union. That is part of the ANC's problem - they need to make policies to please Cosatu ie the workers ie ito SA the rich. Zuma does not care for the poor, except off course if he can shower afterwards.

      Brett - 2012-03-11 20:16

      Sorry I didn't. I was working....You that action you need to do to drive an economy.

  • Wendy - 2012-03-10 18:08

    No Government has the right to change a constitution to suit itself.

      Teboho Mphaloane - 2012-03-10 19:31

      That's how dictatorships start.

  • Carlton Bana - 2012-03-10 18:14

    It's sad how many people treat political parties like they are football teams, no matter how bad they do people hope that by the last minute theyll score a goal. We should learn to rise above mediocracy. Im tired of living in a atleast country. Atleast 2 people were murdered instead 4, atleast they fixed the big pot holes. The goverment has failed alrounds even if all the land was given away, what about crime, what about pot holes, will the secretcy bill prevent my girlfriend from being raped. What about all the billions that are looted on a daily basis from the 6 million tax payers. Will owning land help with the child mortality rate? Please answere me ANc die hards

      Sydney Matubandlela - 2012-03-10 22:35

      There's no single country in the world that's perfect coz if there was you all whinning people would go there, there's nothing that the DA would do change the pople's lives, all it would do is protect minority rights while alienating the majority, some of us who know how bad things were in our neighbourhoods during the white minority rule we are quite happy with what the ANC has done for our country and we understands that it's gona take a while to eradicate the apartheid legacy, it will probably take more time if we nationalise and take back our land!!

      Geronimo - 2012-03-10 23:54

      @Sydney - it will take forever if you continue to blame the past! PS whose land? It wasn't yours personally, and your folk arrived from the Congo and stole it from the Khoi San! Hypocrite.

  • braamc - 2012-03-10 18:27

    That's my girl!

      Grant Olivier - 2012-03-11 07:18

      Janine, I don't care what you call Malema but this is not about him or whether the 'teagirl' line is old. It's about a patronising statement like 'That's my girl!' that reinforces the idea that Mazibuko is a puppet fronting for the DA. Can you imagine your boss saying that to you at work? Can you imagine anyone at all saying it about Zille? For all her faults, Mazibuko deserves better that to be demeaned in this way by her own party's supporters.

  • Cracker - 2012-03-10 18:31

    The land and the country belongs to all its citizens. A proper land audit is required with details of the economic and agricultural activities going on, on ALL the land. The real facts will come as a huge disappointment to some. It is understood that all European, African, Hispanic and other categories of Americans will soon leave and return to their ancestors' countries - the silly Vegi way. Never mind that we have so many Zimbabweans and other Africans from our north in this country because of exactly the same policies that some want to see implemented in this country. And which those countries are urgently trying to reverse. No. It will not happen that South Africans commit economic and land suicide. They are not THAT stupid. They can see for themselves the consequences. South Africans will not be welcome in Maputo and for example Harare. It is understood that the Africans are not quite that favorably disposed to South Africans. Far less than we are towards their citizens here who are here for the simple reason of economic failures in their COUNTRIES OF BIRTH. Imagine!!! You have to flee your own country because some of your countrymen have taken it on themselves to repeat failed policies elsewhere. For their own selfish reasons. So, South Africans of all shades had better tread carefully. They will not receive much sympathy from their African brothers who will in any event think South Africans are mad if they try the Zimbabwe model.

      Cracker - 2012-03-10 18:38

      Clarity: Zimbabwe is not trying to reverse land policies. It will however when faced with the reality that MANY who were not part of the elites who took land as they pleased will in time start staking their claims. Why should they not? They are as entitled as the others to an equal claim. They were left out by political power in the hands of others. Even worse times ahead in that country.

  • eugene.joshua - 2012-03-10 19:34

    Jack, at least she can lose weight (if she wanted to, there is nothing wrong with her), but you will always be an ignorant fool!

  • Brad.Kopping - 2012-03-10 20:16

    Vegi you do realise that, if you have your own property which i am guessing you are, you BOUGHT that land from somebody else did you not? your probably sitting on some old great great uncles land from 1903...imagine if he were alive today, would you give him his land back? NO! so STFU!

  • Teboho Mphaloane - 2012-03-10 20:21

    But let's get realistic, even a better ruling party can only do so much without the contribution of the people themselves. The proportion of people who pay municipal rates and service charges is way smaller than it should be - that's a fact. And my view is that the ANC isnt regulating or enforcing such issues as much as it should hence why some people feel safer with it. So, what's another party going to do about the issue to atleast encourage people to do their part without antagonizing them?

  • Comrade - 2012-03-10 21:21


      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-10 21:26

      Go make the Madam some tea.....

      Riaan - 2012-03-10 23:41

      Mtshezi is a gigantic mudhut moron That's your job, my girl. LOL

  • neo.mokhonoane - 2012-03-10 21:29

    Dream on baby girl. Even when the ANC has problems we will always emerge. This organisation always suffer and the healing is our motto. Continue to mislead your people.

  • Khutso Rele Mokgosi - 2012-03-10 21:44

    the only reason id vote for the DA is because of Lindiwe Mazibuko. Malema should learn a thing or two from her

      Sam - 2012-03-10 22:01

      oooooh dont bite the hand that fed you, the anc gave you all the opportunities now you look upon the party that fought for your freedom

      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-10 22:02

      U are to be pitted for ur lack of judgment....

      Khutso Rele Mokgosi - 2012-03-10 22:49

      sam the party that fought for my freedom is not the same party now. the ANC that majority of people voted for in 1994 is not the same. political leaders have only their own enrichment in mind. now i was 1nc convinced that the da should be the next ruling party but after observing the racial slurs by predominantly white people on this site im convinced that there is still too much racism to trust a white president to lead us out of poverty (both black and white). hence my comment that ms mazibuko is the only reason why i would choose to vote da

      Geronimo - 2012-03-11 00:00

      @Khutso - so you paint every white person in SA with the same brush just because of a few lunatic right wing fools on an internet forum? Does that mean I should think every black person is as ignorant, stupid and racist as Julias Malema? Of course I wouldn't, that would just be dumb. Ms Mazibuko seems a good, intelligent leader, someone we can all be proud of, both black and white. This country needs a strong opposition to keep the ANC in check, and focussed on serving the citizens of this country to the best of their ability. For that reason, the DA has my vote.

      MichaelPayne - 2012-03-11 00:11

      @Khutso - How is the president (white or black) supposed to lead you out of poverty? ITS UP TO YOU to lead yourself out of poverty (white or black) And if the only reason you would vote for the DA is because of Mazibuko, well then that's ignorance, and you might as well continue voting anc

      Khutso Rele Mokgosi - 2012-03-11 06:37

      @Geronimo you wouldnt understand until you walk a mile in my shoes. white racists have done alot of cruel things to me (and that is not just calling me names). some even physically abusing me. imagine a huge white man physically taunting a petite young lady. yet even so i still believed it was only a hand-full. now 1 comes to this site. the same white people who greet you with a smile are the ones who make all these racial comments. yes not all are the same. however, with all the racial comments thats the kind of picture whites are painting for themselves. mind you my judgement does not come from just one individual. i challenge you to read comments from articles that somehow have to do with race and read them from an objective view. our government will never change until white people get rid of their pre-1994 mentality

      Khutso Rele Mokgosi - 2012-03-11 06:55

      michael the government should put in policies to assist in job creation, basic services should be provided to all people of South Africa and they should ensure economic development. there is only so much 1 individual can do. i worked hard to get to where i am today. but unfortunately some of my fellow black brothers and sisters who worked just as hard are sitting at home struggling to make ends meat. if it were really our own responsibility to lead ourselves out of poverty then why would we need a government? the anc has implemented policies to assist the previously disadvantaged. unfortunately corruption has limited the ability for opportunities to be fully utilised. now i never said im voting anc, and i never said im voting the da. i just believe that people such as ms Mazibuko are the kind of leaders we need in this country.

      Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-03-11 08:29

      Khutso, this big white man physically taunting you, is it the same as four black men holding a gun to your head as well as at the rest of my family and then being dragged into your bathroom to be raped(luckily they had no time but the mental scarring is there as to what could've been) Is your suffering and emotional well being worse than mine?? Walk a mile in some1 else's shoes. You cannot win against a gun

      Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-03-11 08:33

      @ Khutso Yes the government should do what's best for the country not their pockets but are they?? And last time I checked the ANC was the ruling party. What has your ANC done for you lately? You shouldn't be scared at a white man ruling. It won't go back to what it was. If anything perhaps this person would Gav the countries best interests at heart and do what's good for us not his pocket. There are some people out there who want to do good and make a difference but if your the chip remains & you keep voting because of skin color we will never get to where we could be..

      Khutso Rele Mokgosi - 2012-03-11 10:39

      emily this man was not taunting me because he wanted to rob me or rape me. he plainly did it because of the colour of my skin. he even said so himself. now clearly you have not lived in the townships because just as much as whites get raped and robbed so do black people. we all are affected by crime including myself. don't use that as an excuse for your white fellow brothers/sisters to treat us black people in an inhumane manner just because of the colour of our skin.

      Khutso Rele Mokgosi - 2012-03-11 10:51

      @Emily please read my comment again. yes i totally agree that our government can do a better job. and i believe that can be a ruling party who leads this country to better economic development irrespective of the skin colour of the president. however, having to deal with white racist on a daily basis and having to see all the racial comments on this site it makes me wonder if truly white people have overcome their pre-1994 perception of a black person.

      MichaelPayne - 2012-03-11 15:28

      I agree with you Khutso, the government is supposed to help in job creation and to provide basic services. The question you gotta ask is - Its been almost 18 years since the anc took over, and how many people still don't get basic services while the connected get insanely rich? I would love it if someone could give me a rational answer to that question - The thing is I know they cant, because they would have to admit that the people they vote for, ARE STEALING FROM THEM. I don't blindly vote DA, I don't think they are perfect by a long shot, but it is the better option. And speaking of job creation. If the anc really gave a damn, they would assist people of all colors to start businesses and stop giving all the job creation power to multinationals. But they wont do that because then it would be easier for people to empower themselves. They don't want us empowered, they want us dependent on their handouts But, all the obstacles they put in our path doesn't change the fact that it's up to us to find a way to get somewhere

      Khutso Rele Mokgosi - 2012-03-11 17:14

      @Michael i do not want to enter into a debate regarding political parties. all i was saying is lindiwe mazibuko is example of a good leader irrespective of the fact that she is a da member. so please direct your question to someone else.

      MichaelPayne - 2012-03-11 17:52

      If you cant debate the facts that's fine, but I'm going to leave you with the question I asked. I don't expect you to answer it because I know that you wont. The question you gotta ask is - Its been almost 18 years since the anc took over, and how many people still don't get basic services while the connected get insanely rich? I would love it if someone could give me a rational answer to that question - The thing is I know they cant, because they would have to admit that the people they vote for, ARE STEALING FROM THEM.

      Khutso - 2012-03-16 21:32

      Michael if you read my previous comments you would see my view on the ANC.

  • Sam - 2012-03-10 21:48

    @Vegi My advice to you learned Cde, for the fact that this site is dominated by apartheid beneficiaries does nt mean that your opinions are null and void , I like to encourage you to keep the spirit of African Renaissance high, I have been following your beliefs it makes me proud, that your represent fight against demuhinisation by apartheid beneficiaries. When our black forefathers were displaced by evil white ppl, in their land their live stocks suffered today we live in the shacks when we were supposed to look after our live stocks left by our forefathers, our forefathers had +150 cattles,sheeps,goats,chickens, horses, etc evrything diminished as a result of Land Act 1913, if you take that figure when a cattle is R7500 the minimum, what does it give you , are you saying there would be a black person living in the shack , dying of Aids,hunger, etc people like Lindiwe are sellouts who joined the DA to feed her stomach, poverty has lot of consequences. Keep it up my Com I salute you

      Cracker - 2012-03-10 22:10

      @ Sam You have a skewed idea of the past, the present and the future. It is a huge lie that everyone of a darker complexion had land with +150 cattles,sheeps,goats,chickens, horses, etc. BS! We in any event need a proper land audit with details of what is taking place on the land in this country. And why not? Or will the truth be too unpalatable for some? It is a lie that the current 50 million people in this country can be accommodated with the same utopia-like impression you try to create. Already more (probably MUCH more) than 50% of the land is back in black possession and what's more, a significant portion of that is in the possession of local tribal authorities. Nah. Listen, guarantee all 50 million of us in this country (OK, the household chiefs or adults) the numbers and land you mention and we will ALL support it. In the meanwhile, think and give a little thought to the victims of the Zimbabwean Renaissance. The solution to the misery is not to take the productive agricultural land away from the food producers. We really do not need a lesson or experience in famine. That experience we leave to the Robert Mugabe underlings.

      Juan - 2012-03-11 02:09

      @veggie the problem with you is that you see a white person as automatically being a "beneficiary of apartheid". You think that the DA is a right wing party just because there's some white people in it and a white leader, for the moment. The vast majority of white people in this country weren't given any land or anything else for free. We are working class citizens just like black working class citizens. Many of us can't find jobs anymore due to BEE and we need to either create businesses or go overseas for work opportunities. The reality is that apartheid is long gone, and blacks have far more opportunities than whites in this country.

  • Mboneni - 2012-03-11 06:58

    The ANC is divided and confused Jacob Zuma talks about the review of our constitution and the judiciary and Cyril Ramaphosa disputes the suggestion the implosion in the ANC is affecting every sector in our society

      Sérgio - 2012-03-11 08:28

      Very good and straight to the point, pity we have indeviduals that are catalists of havoc and not angels of society.........

  • Nonku Butelezi - 2012-03-11 11:55

    Something must be done about the ANC now, most of us have had enough and those that haven't need to be mentally assessed! I'm from KZN so the DA is not strong here as is in other provinces except for predominately white areas such as Durban North. Not many youngsters know what the DA is about though

  • Fanie - 2012-03-11 12:43

    The communist theory is that you win the democratic election first, then tell the people you won them there freedom but that the revolution is not over and that they are still fighting for them, Then slowly you bring the commie system in via socialism. 1. Gun Laws. 2. In enriching themselves. 3. Suppress the news media 4. Change the constitution. 5. All the while making sure that education does not flourish. 6. Allowing strikes and breaking down of property to take place, so that they the government; can bring peace in the chaos. 7. Make sure the police do not solve crimes (except high profile crimes) so that when there is complete communism; they the police are there to suppress the population. So that is what is happening at this moment. Zuma wants to leave a legacy as he has nothing else, that is why it is now happening very quickly. THE ANC IN SHEEP CLOTHES.

  • jody.beggs - 2012-03-11 19:44

    Go DA back you all the way to presidency... then... Damn the man.

  • tebojack - 2012-03-23 12:39

    Mazibuko is such a brave woman and brainy too. Imagine her teaming up with the likes of Ramphela to form their own people's party. Pitty she joined DA. What a waste, she will realise soon.

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