ANC 'not divided' on info bill

2011-12-03 10:01

Johannesburg - The ANC had never sought to impose the protection of state information bill on its members and society broadly, its parliamentary Chief Whip Mathole Motshekga said on Friday.

He said the ANC had initiated internal debates within the peace and stability national executive committee (NEC) sub-committee and the corresponding study group in Parliament.

"In both these forums ANC members were offered opportunities to debate the desirability and otherwise of the bill and the principles underlying it."

He said in both forums members engaged one another and sought to reach consensus. The same approach was adopted within the executive.

"When sufficient consensus was achieved, the Minister of State Security, Comrade Siyabonga Cwele, tabled the bill for consideration by the relevant portfolio committee in Parliament."

Perception that ANC divided

He said the ANC's detractors had sought to use the process leading to the passage of the bill by the National Assembly to entrench their perception that the ANC was divided.

"This perception was reinforced by the fact that some individuals who once served in the Cabinet or constitutional development structures of the ANC opposed certain aspects of the bill."

He said when the ANC was on the point of tabling the bill, the campaign against it intensified and claims had been made that the ANC in and outside Parliament was divided on the bill.

"The NEC advised caucus not to rush the bill in the light of the rising opposition and the perception that the ANC was divided."

He said the ANC postponed tabling the bill in the National Assembly and embarked on an internal democratic process to ensure that the ANC in and outside Parliament sang from the same hymn book - and that the public, especially the silent majority, was given the opportunity to express themselves freely on the bill.

"We also ensured that the public participation process is inclusive of all South Africans, regardless of political affiliation, who sought to make inputs," Motshekga said.

  • SeeVeeDeeEl - 2011-12-03 10:22

    Will this idiot EVER stop speaking s_hit?

      Sedick - 2011-12-03 10:37

      NEVER!!!! When he opens his mouth sh@t comes out........

      Werner - 2011-12-04 09:10

      Of course they are not divided over the secrecy bill, they all steal, they all are corrupt, thus they all have equally much to loose if exposed by the media!

  • Ibhubesi - 2011-12-03 10:25

    This is the most confused government in the world. One day they are Comrades and the next day they run off to a luxury car dealer and are capitalists. They should refrain from public statements, because they think the country has the same IQ levels as theirs.

      madsipho - 2011-12-06 09:36

      I blame Zuma on all this RUBBISH we facing. A man convited to more than 589 counts but come out innocent, How is that possible? So lets expect more corruption if Zuma is innocent.

  • Trevor - 2011-12-03 10:26

    Can the ANC do NOTHING without having to explain itself with what is always a bunch of lies...who believes that crap???????

  • Shirley - 2011-12-03 10:35

    Explain,explain,explain....till the cows come home and the polar caps melt! At the end of the day its all just a load of cr@p! Im always wary of long explanations-it tells me that something is being covered up. Of course this we all know!!!!!!!

  • Jacqui - 2011-12-03 10:39

    They debated!!!!, couldn't have been in English.

  • - 2011-12-03 10:42

    Actions speak louder than words I'm afraid... to persistently try and convince the masses of no discrepancies or wrong doing merely raises just that concern!

  • Missionman - 2011-12-03 10:45

    This bill is a load rubbish and when did the man in the street get a right to voice their opinions on this ........? The ANC is totally inconsistant.

  • Deeteem - 2011-12-03 10:46

    Dear Mathole, we are not all as doff as you !!

  • Ian - 2011-12-03 10:46

    hey Motshekga whats that brown on your lips, oh no worries it just the usual sh_t you talk

  • Larry - 2011-12-03 10:52

    What a load of rubbish.

  • Herman - 2011-12-03 10:53


  • MarkH - 2011-12-03 11:02

    If you clowns didn't mean to impose it on us, then why did you? You imposed this piece of legislation on all of us, with full intent, whilst fully aware that both your previous chief cop and his successor were corrupt. To make matters even worse the minster who tabled it, if one is to believe you, is also corrupt, as was his wife. Pray then please tell us, what was your aim if not to cover your own corrupt asses? You were trying to protect us I assume - from what?

  • Ronald - 2011-12-03 11:07

    The amount of cr@p they sprout will test the capacity of the best sewerage plant. "The ANC had never sought to impose the protection of state information bill on its members and society broadly". How can we interpret the order to ANC MP's that any dissident voters will be sanctioned. Do these morons not have a long enough memory to refer back to their own drivel that they sprout? If the members were not divided about the bill, then why the explicit instruction to vote for it? Why the almost non existent public participation process? I suppose if you feed yourself this drivel and are exposed to it by your comrades on a daily basis, you start believing it despite of the laughing stock you make of yourself, eh Motshega.

      Anthony - 2011-12-03 11:16

      ronald --i said it in 1994 and have said it every year since --these people can never run the country

      Orlando Chauke - 2011-12-03 15:47

      You could not have said it better than that...these peope take us for fools

      madsipho - 2011-12-06 09:38

      What a confused government, back in the days they were fighting this Secrecy Bill and now they want to enforce it, BLOODY AGENTS!

  • Johan - 2011-12-03 11:29

    Seriously Mathole, do you expect a single person to believe you? We have seen that almost everything that the ANC says turned out to be lies in the end. Why is this secrecy bill so important to you? What else do you have to hide?

  • Gavin - 2011-12-03 11:30

    First they disband the "SCORPIONS CRIME FIGHTING UNIT" to protect criminal and corrupt POLITICIANS, then comes the Secrecy - STATE INFORMATION BILL .. for the same reason .. SOUTH AFRICA can no longer stand aside while the ANC lays claim to our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!

  • Cracker - 2011-12-03 11:32

    Minister Tokyo Sexwale told the whole country last Sunday on the Justice Factor on e-TV that he voted for the bill because he is a disciplined member of the ANC. In other words, he obeyed party discipline and orders. He said that he had reservations but that the Concourt would determine the matter. Willie Hofmeyer - it is fair to assume that he is a die-hard ANC even if they kick his last tooth out - stated on 702 that he hoped that the Concourt will find a balance between the competing interests. This was in response to a direct question what his views on the Info Bill were. So we find the interesting phenomenon that even ANC's are pinning their hope on the Concourt to save them from their own ANC's anti-democracy inclinations. The ANC MPs will not deliberately throw away their political privileges. People who have witnessed so-called consensus decisions in practice and how they are achieved will know that it is a fib that they represent common sense or even freedom of expression. The leader-of-the-pack and plain uneven spreading of talent and knowledge come to mind.

  • MarkH - 2011-12-03 11:38

    Excuse me Mr Chief Whip but you lot are the most corrupt, nepotistic, inept, lawless and evil bunch of parasites to have ever had the privilege of walking, sitting and sleeping in Parliament - evil because you spend more time stealing from your starving brothers & sisters than you do attempting to govern. If any of you had a shred of dignity, or honour, or backbone, you would resign en masse to further spare the reputation of the country and its citizens. You won't I know, because you don't, but successive generations will bear the heavy load you have created and you will not be remembered kindly, or with any respect, and that my dear Mr Chief Whip will be your eternal reward.

  • Ry Short - 2011-12-03 11:52

    Chief Whip Mathole Motshekga, please clear this up for me because I'm not sure I understand fully. You aren't "imposing" the bill on anybody but those in the party who voted against it are being punished? But nobody is imposing anything? Ya, no, lekker..

  • CALAMITYSA - 2011-12-03 11:56

    "When sufficient consensus was achieved, the Minister of State Security, Comrade Siyabonga Cwele, tabled the bill" - NOBODY in a normal state of mind can ever believe this mr Chief Whip. I read in it the same kind of totally ignorant sh^t that Tokyo uttered when he called Malema a "child with potential who needs to be learned the right ways". So are even the MP's. We know you are forced to make these statements by circumstances inside the party, but please do not keep on with it. You are not that ignorant.

  • rory.short1 - 2011-12-03 12:03

    I am a member of the public and somebody who has always been very concerned about my country and its health. I am afraid I have had no sense that the ANC was genuinely concerned to draft a Bill on this matter that expressed the public's views. What it has been doing its utmost to do is try to con the public into accepting a bill aspects of which are definitely not in the public's interest. What Motshekga has to say here is nothing but part of that con campaign. Why doesn't he deal with the issues in the Bill that are troubling civil society? No he goes in for generalities referring instead to how hard the ANC has worked to consult everybody as if that in itself is reason for the Bill, with its flaws, to be accepted. It is not a reason because the consultations have not resulted in the flaws being removed. Motshekga 's approach here reminds me a bit of PW Botha's idea of 'negotiations'. PW thought negotiations were telling you to your face what was going to happen to you rather than the message being conveyed to you by underlings. Motshekga thinks that all that consultations involves is talking to a wide range of people that is all, you don't have to change anything that you don't want to change.

  • dcoventry - 2011-12-03 12:56

    I'm astonished at that. Either Motshekga is lying or the ANC comprises the most unprincipled collection of politicians on the planet. Oh, wait...

      pws69 - 2011-12-03 16:06

      There's an "either/or" in your statement? ;-)

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2011-12-03 13:03

    You have imposed this bill. F**k you.

  • - 2011-12-03 13:53

    I just loved the right to vote in secrecy and everything was captured on CCTV... what a laughable situation ... it sort of contradicts everything the Info Bill stands for!

  • pws69 - 2011-12-03 14:03

    The ANC debate on the Info Bill Zuma: You will vote for this bill Comrades: Yes Comrade Zuma: You know it is cold outside the ANC. No Tenders for you or your friends. Vote against this bill, and it will be cold for you. Understand? Comrade: Yes Comrade Zuma Zuma: So, I take it we all agree this bill is necessary? Comrade: Yes Comrade Zuma And that, dear readers, is democracy ANC style.

  • Tony - 2011-12-03 18:08

    The ANC are not imposing this bill on anyone??!? - just like they didnt impose the arms deal, JZ becoming president at ANY cost, silly road and place name changes, tolls, - for heavens sake - even Coco the clown Malema is bemoaning the ANC for imposing its will on things.... And so the verbage au excriment continues.

  • Wesley - 2011-12-03 18:43

    Chief Whip Mathole Motshekga you lie

  • Gary - 2011-12-04 09:32

    I wonder if these clowns really think everyone is stupid and believes them or if they just don't care. Hang on I just figured it out ... they only need to think that 50.1% of the population are stupid!

  • madsipho - 2011-12-06 09:40

    What an arrogant idiot!

  • guy.goes1 - 2011-12-06 11:41

    I refuse to accept that the ANC mp's en masse are thinking that the info bill is going to enhance the way we live in south africa. Their attitude is not only an insult to the people who fought for our present freedom but also to the thousands of educated concerned citizens who objected to this dreadful piece of maladministration.

  • Linda - 2011-12-06 16:29

    I wonder what the silent majority say about this bill? Oh yes, they agree because they voted the ANC. Eish pitty all the people with access to the internet and commenting on this article did not get the majority to table and pass the bill with majority. Maybe this bill will help correct the distortion that the media represent the masses as they do not represent the people but the bunch of people who have an agenda against the country where the majority has expressed their choice. Yes go on and insult me, seems your brains stop working when faced with the reality that THE ANC RULES THIS COUNTRY. It makes you Mad and irrational. This comment of mine may also be my last comment as the media does not allow people who agree with the government to post comments, if you are reading this comment then there is hope for out Media. But I don't expect it to be published.

  • Linda - 2011-12-06 18:04

    Vulgar language is a sign of mental weakness. This bill has been taken through sufficient consultation. If people disagree with the bill they can should until the lose their voices. The ANC was voted by the majority of South Africans and this majority is happy with the way the ANC is running the country. Any individual who speaks for the public must prove with votes that they represent the public. The media does not represent the public but a few individuals who cannot convince the South African majority to vote for them. This bill will protect the majority against such misleading "Public Representatives" who do not have any mandate to speak on behalf of the public. The ANC is the only Party that has the public mandate to take decisions on our behalf as the majority and we support this Bill.

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