ANC questions 2nd transition reports

2012-06-28 10:05

Johannesburg - It will not reflect badly on President Jacob Zuma if the so-called second transition proposal is rejected, the ANC said on Thursday.

"Why would, when one terminology is questioned, it would reflect on the president?" asked African National Congress spokesperson Jackson Mthembu.

He was speaking to SAfm, reacting to several newspaper reports on Thursday morning that the second transition proposal had been rejected by most provinces at the ANC's policy conference in Midrand, Johannesburg.

Business Day newspaper described it as a "setback for Zuma", but Mthembu questioned the media's interpretation.

‘Rejection of Zuma before Mangaung’

He said several media had suggested, "this shows a rejection of the president before Mangaung", referring to the ANC's elective conference to be held in Mangaung, in the Free State, in December.

"How does that come in?" asked Mthembu.

"I don't know what the sources of these reports are."

He said the second transition proposal was not Zuma's proposal, but was an ANC discussion document.

"What we are worried about as the ANC, is the content of that report. Whether you call it 'second transition', whether you call it 'accelerating growth'... if we come up with radical means, the ANC will be more than happy.

"We are not married to that terminology," said Mthembu.

He said the ANC merely wanted to get a radical solution on how to deal with poverty and unemployment.

‘Concept inappropriate’

Business Day reported that "virtually all commissions" had rejected the second transition discussion document for being theoretically poor.

According to unattributed notes quoted in the newspaper, delegates wrote: "... While the reasons behind reference to a second transition were understandable, the concept is inappropriate, and does not convey the movement's theorisation of the process of social transformation".

The Star newspaper quoted ANC national executive committee members as saying all commissions at the conference had rejected the second transition proposal.

Beeld newspaper quoted Congress of SA Trade Unions general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi as saying he felt people's opposition to the second transition was "justified".

"Everybody is talking about the second transition. Some people are opposed to it, which, in my opinion, is completely justified.

"But it's of crucial importance for us to emerge from this conference with a radical policy change," he told the Afrikaans daily newspaper.

Dealing with triple challenges

Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe is also believed to be opposed the idea of a second transition.

A document on the second transition is one of the ANC's 13 policy documents under discussion at the four-day conference.

Zuma said in opening the conference on Tuesday that the second transition would make the country a "true democratic developmental state... which has a number of instruments it can use to facilitate change".

The first transition was still important because it had ushered in an era of democracy in South Africa.

"The time has come to do something more drastic to accelerate change towards economic transformation and freedom."

Zuma asked delegates to discuss the notion of a second transition when dealing with the strategy and tactics document.

"It is time to ask questions about the present and future... the last 18 years was the first transition. We are calling for a dramatic shift... to deal with the triple challenge[s] of poverty, unemployment and inequality," said Zuma.

  • Henk - 2012-06-28 10:12

    You cannot deliver a couple of text books and yet you think you can run a country....

      tuco.angeleyes - 2012-06-28 10:17

      The fact that there were no apologies for the text book saga (wasn't expecting one anyway) means that not only should the second transition be rejected, the ANC as a party should be rejected all together. Zuma has been nothing more than a grotesque embarrassment to all sane South Africans. we have had enough of Zuma and the ANC shenanigans.

      Malcolm - 2012-06-28 11:38

      "some new, fantastic, never-thought-of-before policy proposals that would solve South Africa’s social and economic problems." - Like doing their jobs properly? :(

      tshiamo.stevens - 2012-06-28 12:07

      @henk..They can't even run their own party mate? Unpaid bills to suppliers, infighting, backstabbing, grandstanding, veiled tribalism and racism, etc.

      scouter.fourone - 2012-06-28 13:13

      Classic spin to pre-empt an imminent effective vote of no confidence in Zuma's leadership

  • Ditantane - 2012-06-28 10:12

    you can't fool me, this is a start of things to come. Zuma should just step down before he get humilaited further.

      Leroy - 2012-06-28 10:19

      he for one is not my president, he has done minimal to improve the condition in our country, only had time for more wives, children and parties! He was elected by a bunch of who know what, but they def did not know what they were/are doing! He is not a role model, nor is he something special, imo he is just a person doing a job, nothing more!

      Press - 2012-06-28 10:31

      C'mon Jackson, bring the car, Zuma must go . . . .

      dennis.vermaak.5 - 2012-06-28 11:00

      No-one involved with the corrupt ANC, now, will ever be my president !!

  • deon.rossouw.56 - 2012-06-28 10:15

    Zuma is a set back for the country and I hope everything will implode on him

  • BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-06-28 10:18

    Deny, lie, evade topics, empty promises........ Please ANC, pack up and go to Zim the whole lot of you. After all, you and many of your Votas refer to Zim as some kind of brilliant 'African Model', a shining success.

  • kevin.brown.714 - 2012-06-28 10:21

    what was the first transition? never saw it, did you? all thats happend since 94 is that more people live in shacks, more are unemployed, the education system is well disfunctional. eg my staff recieved an increase recently, one of the guys did not know what a PERCENTAGE increase was!!!

      ThinkingChick - 2012-06-28 11:33

      The biggest differences are: We now have three million black people in the middle class. The general populace can see how useless the ANC has become Corruption everywhere. Otherwise, it's all just SSDD.

  • DrGfinger - 2012-06-28 10:26

    2nd transition or radical economic proposals = just 1 thing - squeeze the whites, steal their stuff and get em to leave SA. I was born here , fought for our democracy and had high hopes for the country - I now feel like something that doesn't belong here - time to get out!!!

      thabo.mabena.106 - 2012-06-28 11:18

      Stop talking nonsense what fighting did you do??? You know nothing about the struggle but just talk dribble. Privilege capitalist whites will lose what they stole from the native and the wealth of this country will returned to the people in the "Second Transition" as it is clearly stipulated in the document.

      ThinkingChick - 2012-06-28 11:34

      @Young Communist. Wipe your mouth, there seems to be some pooh around it.

      rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-06-28 11:35

      Young Communist: If I adopt your logic SA has (or soon will have) stolen from me too... I came here with an education and skills, they have been used to the benefit of people using government health facilities. I got paid and saved and used it to buy my house and living. Now you say you want that to be returned. That means that you want to steal my life and effort. Try to adopt a balanced view about the world rather than a one sided extremist one. Working people come in all shades of skin colour.

      jeffrey.jones.357 - 2012-06-28 11:37

      And the biggest failure of all time is: COMMUNISM. Though I must say Africans trying to run a modern economy comes a close second.

      Chad - 2012-06-28 11:37

      what wealth did you create?

      gavin.lott.9 - 2012-06-28 11:41

      Young_Communist...your a kid!..what did you do? once you've taken all from the whites what will you do with it? The banks?...but with no growth there will be no money? the land? are you trained in farming?...your a typical moron!

      Harold - 2012-06-28 11:46

      @Young Communist Listen my native after reading your comment I now understand what the secound transition is about. Please explain in your clear native thinking what the first transition was about. Oh by the way Did I by chance meet you in Tanzania or was it quatro help me I cant remember.

      gavin.lott.9 - 2012-06-28 11:49

      If you're so clever little communist why don't you start a business? But I suppose it's easier to steal, isn't it people like you with your backward thoughts are good at that!...pathetic little boy!

      thabo.mabena.106 - 2012-06-28 11:56

      @Harold since you asked what the first transition is about, well the first transition was characterised by a framework and a national consensus that may have been appropriate for a political transition, but has proven inadequate and even inappropriate for a social and economic transformation phase. In short, we felt sorry for the NP and the Nats and decided not to bomb all of them for political stability in the country. Now that has been achieved, it is time to claim the economy back and not just political power. But the second transition is about socio-economic transformation. Where the wealth of the country will be restored to the native people.

      Henk - 2012-06-28 12:03

      And if the white capitalists leave for better pastures? What then?

      gavin.lott.9 - 2012-06-28 12:08

      They have not thought that far ahead Henk!

      thabo.mabena.106 - 2012-06-28 12:08

      @henk.jansevanrensburg.16 Then the native Africans will live happily every after in their indigenous space that was stolen by European invaders.

      thabo.mabena.106 - 2012-06-28 12:14

      The New Economic Policy in the Second Transition. Enjoy the read==>

      rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-06-28 12:22

      Young Communist: Sorry to prick your artificial moronic perception that sees any individual white person as a part of a group of exploitive Europeans. Like many I came to SA because it offered a decent education for my children and an opportunity to use my skills and knowledge in a part of the world where there was a need for those skills and knowledge...and for the sunshine. As for being an idiot, you may well be proven to be correct if the situation degenerates much more. Although communism is a problem, socialism is not except forit the way that extremists, such as you seem to be , think and see destruction as some sort of new begining. You need to recognise that socialism needs capital to finance everything, and communism is unworkable and useless except as a political exercise to encourage subversion and violence....and more destruction.

      Henk - 2012-06-28 12:30

      So back to mud huts and no wheel....

      travis.bruce.353 - 2012-06-28 13:02

      @Youngcommunist Let me explain to you how the world used to work hundreds of years ago. Things have changed a lot because of the very liberal human rights that the west tries to uphold. So a long time ago people would take what they wanted with force. Europeans did not invent this they just happened to be the best at it. There were war lords all over the world killing people for their wealth. It happened in Africa too you will be amazed to know. There was this guy named Shaka Zulu that loved killing people and taking their belongings. It would be a very difficult process if every country in the world tried to claim the land for the original inhabitants. Most of the people in England would have to go back to Germany and they probably wouldn't fit in. Esentially everyone would have to return to Africa because that is were every human came from. So expect it to get a lot more crowded. The world has changed my friend people have migrated all over the world. Don't live in the past or you will be doomed to repeat it. Read a book buddy you can learn something.

      Phelamanga - 2012-06-28 13:02

      @ Young Communist. The Freedom Charter can be interpreted in many ways and not just in terms of communist thought. It is also a blueprint for the development of South Africa by South Africans. It acknowledges the input of all ethnic groups and suggests that there should be union in order to drive the modernisation of the country forward. Nowhere in the document is it mentioned that one race should dominate the other, nor does it openly espouse Marxism, although it does speak about restorative justice. And it definitely does not promote the kind of racism that you are promoting. We are all here by accident of history and with that we all bring our various experiences which can be utilised to build a great nation, and what's more, we were all here before the implementation of communism in other parts of the world which has often been replaced by the very people themselves upon whom it was imposed. To be a communist these days implies that you are a racist because you can hide under the banner and justify your stance. The land belongs to those who work it and white farmers are trying to do just that when they are not being murdered. The doors to culture and learning are in a dismal state and the taxes gained from mining and industry, which should be shared among all people are being shared among the corrupt ANC/SACP elites. Why aren't you railing against the privileged capitalist blacks as well? The wealth can only be restored to the people if government works properly.

      Henk - 2012-06-28 13:18

      What F#$%^ng fighting did a you do young communist! You have oly read about apartheid! Idiot!

      edward.patterson.923 - 2012-06-28 13:39

      @Young Communist; In 2009 Tourism contributed R125 billion to SA's economy, that was 3.2% of the GDP (14.5 billion dollars). In 2012 Zimbabwe's entire budget was $4billion, which it can't meet. What do you think will happen in SA if it uses the same methods to achieve your "Second Transition?" I'm not an economist so I can't tel l you for certain, but I tell you this my brother, if you start Mr. Lamola's war you will have the same tourism industry as Zim, very small and that means far fewer jobs than today. And if you nationalize everything for a year or two people might be better off, but then when there are none of those horrible "capitalist" dollars being invested in SA then there will be even fewer jobs. And then internal industries will begin to die and even fewer jobs. Look at all the communist countries in the world, the last big one standing is China and they have gone to a modified capitalist system. No my communist friend your economic future doesn't begin with "taking" but in building.

      hugh.olphart - 2012-06-28 13:46

      @youngcommie, hay we bought the land from your kings you ignorant moron, your forefathers didn't own squat, it belonged to the king. Those trinkets and sparkly things we traded land for, is what got their blood rushing, and Little's changed. Now its spinners and chrome wheels. See? still as retarded now as then. You dont deserve land or freedom with your mentality.

      Michael - 2012-06-28 13:51

      @Young_communist, I find people who bay for blood irritating. More of you around, and the few people left after a very bloody civil war will have plenty of land to themselves. I really have to restrain myself from calling you a complete idiot.

  • willie.dique - 2012-06-28 10:29

    The first transition = Failure. The Second transition = Bigger failure

  • DougiCourt - 2012-06-28 10:33

    You want a radical solution to deal with poverty and unemployment? Try educating people... although that's probably a bit too radical.

      heather.stip.7 - 2012-06-28 13:55

      Brilliant Dougi!

  • sthembiso.ratshoeu - 2012-06-28 10:40

    no matter how bad things are rite now DA will never reign white man you really messed it up 4 urselves pre-1994.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-06-28 10:49

      Sthembiso it is the gullible, like you, that the ANC count on. Keep voting for them and keep making the few at the top rich and keep mopping up the water around your shack. Now if that isn't messing up big time, i don't know what is.

      Henk - 2012-06-28 10:56

      Totally messed up with my internationally recognised degrees!

      andre.burrows.92 - 2012-06-28 11:18

      Keep struggling comrade Sthembiso!!

      ThinkingChick - 2012-06-28 11:36

      You really are so ignorant that you think the DA is a white party? See? Another shining example of Sarf Efrican education. Go learn something today instead of trolling here.

      Phelamanga - 2012-06-28 13:09

      Over 60% of the DA membership is black in African in particular, and its growing and wherever it is in government it delivers. This is due to its policies and its focus on the people, unlike the ANC/SACP which focuses on its leaders and spewing bulldust whenever it can.

      Michael - 2012-06-28 13:39

      @sthembiso, only words that spring to mind for you..."pathetic little racist". Hope most of SA is bigger than you.

  • maokeng.mankge - 2012-06-28 10:41

    2lkng bwt transition dat will enable u 2 gt married 2 70wives,ur friends 2 steal frm our hard earned cash and empty promises.Zuma jst step down b4 its 2 l8..I'm tired of working 4 tax dat u r misusing

      Tony Lapson - 2012-06-28 11:56


      Billy - 2012-06-28 12:08

      "oh, i am having sleepless nights because of poverty" says zuma, but he can have 10million rand parties

  • brionyl.french - 2012-06-28 10:41

    sounds to me like the ANC needs to go back to school and learn terminology of the english language and maybe in school they can gain a brain amongst them all... so sick of STUPID PEOPLE!!!!

  • Sakhiwo - 2012-06-28 10:44

    It doesn't come as a suprise

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-06-28 10:46

    The second transition is to hide the failure of the first transition and a thirfd transition will be needed to hide the failure of the first two. After that a fourth transition will be in place and we will all live happily ever after.

      antionette.leroux - 2012-06-28 12:04

      Bwhahahaha - so funny & true

  • maokeng.mankge - 2012-06-28 10:50

    Its easy 2 gt rid of poverty wena Mthembu lead by example t8 ur kid frm d street put hm bck in ur mansion..ANC shuld cut down on useless spending I:e paying 17mill 4 Beyonce 2 cum perform 30seconds..Cut down big wages n bonuses 4 nuthing

  • peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-06-28 10:53

    Why does everything have to be BLACK AND WHITE ? What about us whiteys that worked all our lives to accumulate a bit and do not ask for any handouts ? I am talking about the MAJORITY of whiteys/not the ultra rich dudes and dudesses that owns billions. Why dont the ANC look at us as fellow South Africans instead of the enemy ? So they can take the farms......who will settle the bonds? How many extra people are going to get jobs on that farms? Doing what ? The same goes for the mines ? The problem is with the ANC government themselves. The have spent 18 years organising jobs for cronies. They have spent 18 years building their own elite. They have spent 18 years plundering our resources. THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE PEOPLE. Now they looking for a quick fix by dabbling into our whiteys rights as citizens once again until the next "transition". Why try and scare the hell out of us. TELL US STRAIGHT...WHITEYS....YOU ARE NOT PART OF SOUTH AFRICA....LETS HELP YOU TO LEAVE OUR SPACE. OR........lets leave this white/black clap and solve the real problem...the ANC GOVERNMENT. That all I have to say.

      Thapelo - 2012-06-28 11:06

      U enjoyed protection fron NP for 50years, Blacks sweating for you and got nothing in return, and smiling all the way to the bank. Did you solve the NP problem? We are not gullible with your rheutoric. My mother worked as a domestic for 30 years wiping you, and she has nothing to show except rheumatism!!!!!

      Henk - 2012-06-28 11:11

      Thapelo, do you have any idea what tax we had to pay for the NP? We where not free! Did you had to go and kill other people cause your government demanded it. No you did not! So look at the future....

      Tebogo Matlatle - 2012-06-28 11:15

      im sorry u fil tht way.....both black n whites fought for democracy n everytin hapenin is s.a should b beneficial for both black n whites

      peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-06-28 11:26

      Dearest Thapelo.Thanks for your input.You are so right.Now it is a reverse situation. We are sweating . We are gullable. We are wiping away comments like yours.

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-06-28 11:31

      Thapelo - you're either brainwashed or delusional. Apartheid certainly was a system of oppression that's for sure, and we can write books on all the bad that went with it. But your summation is juvenile. Many Blacks and Whites still sweat every day, and still have nothing to show for it. It wasn't Apartheid that caused that, that's economics and we still suffer from this today. But guess what, the whole world suffers from this. All over the world there are rich and poor, domestic workers, wealthy businessmen/women, very rich tycoons, homeless, starving etc. This is not unique to SA, and it is definitely not a product unique to Apartheid and its associated sins. speak to people who travel the world on business and they will tell you that human suffering is alive and well, in almost every country of the world, and it is a socio-economic problem, not a product of Whites / Apartheid. You have been seriously misled in this regard. The talk of slavery etc is also absolute rubbish. Nobody was walking around in chains and getting whipped. Utter rubbish. Apartheid was an unfair and oppressive system, don't build it up to be a bigger demon that it actually was, making it the scape goat for all your problems. That's just the easy juvenile approach.

      jeffrey.jones.357 - 2012-06-28 11:52

      @Thapelo, My father was a coalminer in the UK,by the time he was 35 he was boarded with silicosis, my mother scrubbed the floors of a doctor's surgery for a living. Neither of them could read or write properly, we had no bathroom, no indoor toilet, toilet was at the bottom of our garden and to flush it we had to carry buckets of water down 15 steep steps and along a path, no phone, no car. My parents said, that it was too late for them to have a better life, not that they complained, but they made sure that I got an education so that I didn't have to work in a coalmine as so many of my friends did. The ANC and the parents should see that the youngsters get educated or they will forever live on social grants. Africans weren't the only people in this world who were exploited, but oh brother, can they carry on about it.

  • lelo.qomiso - 2012-06-28 10:56

    And this is the same dude who was arrested for drink and driving, who knows maybe he still is drunk.

      Billy - 2012-06-28 10:59


      maokeng.mankge - 2012-06-28 11:00

      His neva sober always drunk his statement r drunk..His junkieboy learned frm him

  • anneck.cranke - 2012-06-28 11:03

    The so called second transition is a very subtle term used. In other words what shower boy is trying to come up with is a methodical way, to kick the white man out of business, kick the white farmer off his land, help the black youth, ignore the white youth, steal pensions from old whites for the ANC to use for their own benefit, drive out foreign investment so the black man can take it all for themselves, turn the Rand into toilet paper, and use apartheid as an excuse (which is now very old)! The ANC and of course wants it all done NOW, NOW, NOW!

      tugwana.gwalagwala - 2012-06-28 11:17

      I'm a black man but I don't want to take everything for myself. Misguided thought!!!

      anneck.cranke - 2012-06-28 11:33

      Tugwana, it is a general comment and is not aimed at you as an individual. I don't know you and I don't care what colour you are. For all I know you are a successful businessman yourself who earned your way to the top? The ANC does not look at the qualifications of people, they look at colour. Example: a friend of mine who had all the qualifications was turned down for a job once, simply because the kind of person the company was looking for had to be black. Do you see what I am getting at? We lived in one racist society already. Why live in a second one?

      ThinkingChick - 2012-06-28 11:38

      Good for you Tugwana, but I fear you are not in the majority. If this concept of "Take it all" was not deemed a popular message for the masses, then showerhead would not be saying it.

      jeffrey.harmesson - 2012-06-28 14:45

      What do you mean help the black youth? Have you looked at the state of education in this country? Have you seen the ANC's idea of 'job creation' (waving a flag on the road, for example)? What about housing, sanitation, basic service delivery.....? The ANC don't care about the people of this country whether black, white or green with polka-dots. I haven't seen the policy documents of this so-called second transition and they may well turn out to be a reverse-apartheid despotism, but don't blame that on the average man in the street, blame it on the ANC.

      anneck.cranke - 2012-06-28 17:17

      Jeffrey, we all know when the ANC and ANC youth league in particular, with al it's talk of the youth standing up for \economic freedom\, they are specifically rallying the black youth of this country. A subtle form of brainwashing you might call it? As we all know this \economic freedom\ is a subtle term for \drive out foreign and white investment\!

      jeffrey.harmesson - 2012-06-29 07:39

      Fair point, and with that clarification I happen to agree with you 100%.

  • lelo.qomiso - 2012-06-28 11:03

    And this is the same dude who was arrested for drink and driving in the morning....Who knows maybe he is even drunk now. He cannot even reprimand or guide his son from substance abuse simply because he is also an addict.

      maokeng.mankge - 2012-06-28 11:27

      Lol like father lyk son dats economic freedom 2nd transition Mthembu is 2lkng bwt

  • Billy - 2012-06-28 11:05

    "how do we make people vote for us again" "we tell them theres a second transition that will make everything better" "then after that we tell them theres a third transition, then a forth transition, etc, etc." "genius!!"

  • pule.lesego.3 - 2012-06-28 11:08

    Transition,for what?

  • Allan - 2012-06-28 11:14

    Are we saying that poverty, unemployment and inequality were not part of the First Transition of the past 18 years?? Or are we saying that we did nothing and need a second attempt in another transition period? The Second Transition is also linked to the concept of a "Developmental State" as documented in the NDR document making citizens reliant on the state for everything in the true concept of socialism. Looks like the SACP under Zuma is trying to hijack South Africa!

      thabo.mabena.106 - 2012-06-28 11:21

      Capitalism has failed in SA, the communist will now take over the reigns. BEE has proved to be a failure and produced an elite black capitals. So now we will bring back the wealth of this country to benefit the black majority. "The people shall share in the country's wealth" Freedom Charter.

      ThinkingChick - 2012-06-28 11:41

      Young Communist. Like I said: go and learn something. There is now a population of three million blacks in the middle class. That's impressive. It probably would be more, if the cANCer hadn't stolen R20 billion last fiscal alone. Would probably be more if RDP houses and farmland were actually given to people, along with title deeds, so that they could borrow money to start a business, or get a farm working. Go back to school.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-06-28 12:11

      Ai Young Communist it is a pity that the "you like" thinkers do not know you are your own worst enemy. You never learn from others's mistakes and had to repeat the mistakes yourselves again to realize it. Capitalism will fail when controlled by incompetent crooks requesting hands out instead of enforcing the rules. Businesses will always push the limits to ensure profits and that is why, when controlled according to the correct rules and system, counties becomes successful. No communist state/system can say this. Rather blame the incompetent people/controllers.

  • thabo.mabena.106 - 2012-06-28 11:14

    The SA media should stop lying and creating false stories. Delegates at the conference are not rejecting the "Second Transition" per se. They are actually in agreement with the contents thereof but rather debating on the "title" that is given to it. The radical and dramatic programmes which include transforming the economy are still in place and that hasnt changed much among the delegates. The first transition was characterised by a framework and a national consensus that may have been appropriate for a political transition, but has proven inadequate and even inappropriate for a social and economic transformation phase. So now the ANC does appreciate that equitable transformation of society should include transfer of wealth to the ownership of the people as whole to attain the Freedom Charter’s clarion call that “the people shall share in the country’s wealth”.

      Henk - 2012-06-28 11:30

      Stupidity has no bounds!

      wisani.mathonsi1 - 2012-06-28 11:35

      We dont have communist in sa, do you mean Blade and Buti manemela? Those are fake communist.

      Billy - 2012-06-28 11:46

      if the anc cant get it right now, what makes you think they will get it right in the second transition. they had the tools to do it, instead they spend the money on themselves. YOU are the type of person they hope all their followers are. blinded by hatred that they keep alive, to make themselves richer while lying to the people. "The people shall share in the country's wealth" Freedom Charter. THAT MEANS ALL PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ECONOMY WITHOUT BEING TOLD THEY CANT BECAUSE OF RACE. (in other words all can WORK anywhere) IT DOES NOT MEAN TAKE WHAT OTHERS HAVE AND GIVE TO OTHERS. i am amazed by how brainwashed you are. take a number, keep dividing it, see what happens.

      jeffrey.jones.357 - 2012-06-28 12:00

      Why are we even discussing this document? The ANC are incapable of putting any plan into action anyway. As David Bullard so aptly put it on the second transition is merely an admission that the cock-ups of the first transition were all part of the plan. Education, Health, Security, Transport, and other state departments, all cocked-up in the first transition, so we are going to fix it in the second transition. Hilarious!

      djmain1 - 2012-06-28 12:06

      Yep - if you want any evidence of how communism will work here in SA, just take a look at Blade feeding at the trough for a preview.

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-06-28 12:11

      Name 1, only 1 communist country that has a successful economy. The average Cuban and Russian would spit on you. In a few years time ZA will probably be the only country in the world that is influenced by communists. This will be evident by the destruction of the economy and mass starvation. Would you like a new car? Bet you would you closet capitalist.

      Henk - 2012-06-28 13:22

      AS per se...WTF does that mean?

  • ideal.selepe - 2012-06-28 11:15

    it hink if this forum was a country i would say is one of these poorest african countries loaded with civil war i am failing to understand dis anger u have all have which does not take this country any where but promoting racizm n to hate each other we are all created by God n equal b4 Him n 4 doz who want 2 take d land from the white ppl ur oppion z nt better dan the mind of satan u neva created any land so as white ppl bt we can solve matter better with humenity n lstly d colour of ur skin daz nt make u better dan anybody or stupit dan any body d attitude of many of u z not better of Julious Malema the things that u write they dnt build d country (hate me telling d trueth) blacks n white we need each including all political party must work 2geda to building dis nt dis hunger of power m so sick of dis noncense

      Henk - 2012-06-28 11:21

      The things you do also does not help to build a country....

      ideal.selepe - 2012-06-28 11:29

      henk wat do u mean the things i do i am nt in rulling this country i speak as an ordinary south african

      Henk - 2012-06-28 11:31

      It is ordinary South Africans that are going on crime sprees! Or am I wrong?

      ideal.selepe - 2012-06-28 11:41

      dnt wana waste my time wit u bcoz wat u r saying u r insulting d ppl of dis country whn u saying z ordinary crime spree bt wat iam saying z dat this anger daz nt build d country dat z my point bt dat daz mean i am happy wit d corruption happening in here n d rest of world

      ThinkingChick - 2012-06-28 11:43

      I reject your BS. Pseudo religious fluffy that I can barely understand.

  • Lourenzo - 2012-06-28 11:16

    This calls for a cellebration, shower head getting nailed to the tree..

  • Isaac Nhlahla - 2012-06-28 11:21

    i think shower boy is right i do remember vividly on 80,s and 90,s the wages on the farms used to 50kg and 10kg of beans

      Henk - 2012-06-28 11:32

      And now? a couple of mealies planted around the hut on the newly gained farm...

      ThinkingChick - 2012-06-28 11:47

      Isaac, and today? After 18 years of majority rule? Things must be better, right? Given that we have come so far with the current constitution and despite corruption, nepotism and general theft by the govt, it shows South Africans are capable of doing things right. What Zuma is calling for now is simply electioneering nonsense. You must remember in 94 how they promised a house and food for all? Where is that now? You cannot say that the white-owned economy is responsible for a lack of growth. There is nowhere in South Africa that breaks up land or business ownership along racial lines. Really - go see if you can find it. That means that the R20 billion stolen from the national budget last year could have been used for housing and education, but it wasn't. It simply vanished.

      Billy - 2012-06-28 11:54

      you do realise that some people actually asked to be paid in food, becuase they didnt want to drink their wages out. im not saying it was the right thing to do, but yea, taking a bit from history without the entire story is misleading.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-06-28 12:42

      1984: ME My salary: 524.48 After deductions: 488.16 My room rent(no food) 100.00 My car 113.06 ( had to. No public transport to work and parents home-211km to parents home-50% gravel) Food: 125+ 150 left for toiletries, fuel, policies, clothes etc. OUR FARM WORKER No deductions(clean): 250.00 Rent: o Transport to town and back twice a month: 0 Working Clothes: O Food received: Bag of mieliemeel Meat: for free Milk & Veggies: for free Extra: 5 Sheep a year for free and if his sheep have lambs he kept the better one and if only one he also keep it. Grazing for free and if drought his sheep gets fed for free. All his sheep gets marked in his markings. When leaving employment he can sell it at market related price to my late father or he can take it with. He even gets a grace period to remove it while my dad farm for him with it. No wonder they always come and spend their holiday times on our farm for free with full benefits not having to do anything. There were always a house available. Some of them were born on the farm because their dad was working there, although not from there. Dad call them his "sons" and they saw my dad as like a "father". O, yes, my dad was not rich and had to work day and night to pay for his farm. See Isaac, all was not so "all the same". Yes, there would have been such cases, but one cant generalize.

  • maokeng.mankge - 2012-06-28 11:23

    Enuf is enuf tym 4 d Mafia`s 2 step down.Every campaign is bwt poverty n unemplymnt since 1994 catch ur w8 up its 2012 n der no jobs ull create..Our economy is bad bad mines hv closed wch jobs r u gonna create while u only focusing on developing Nkandla ur farm JZ.

  • tugwana.gwalagwala - 2012-06-28 11:25

    2nd transition, reminds me of my manual car. The difference is - my car is very quick to engage into 2nd gear. 18 yrs is just too long for it to do so otherwise it would have blown my expensive gearbox. Similarly, it's obvious that the country's economy has been blown to pieces, and it'll be very expensive to repair. There might be nothing left to transit into 2nd gear already.

      maokeng.mankge - 2012-06-28 11:29

      Lol it took dem 1xyrs 2 realize dat dey hv destroy d economy Petrol cost 12rand Ooooh please.

  • hrh.majiuana - 2012-06-28 11:28

    Please excuse my ignorance, but wot was the 1st transition?

      maokeng.mankge - 2012-06-28 11:31

      Lol steal frm d poor

  • Steve - 2012-06-28 11:29

    Let's face it, what it all boils down to, is that the cANCer has cocked-up big time and is now throwing smoke-screens around while they try and figure out a way to sidestep the chaos they have created and pass the blame onto, as usual, the white man and Apartheid. I saw today, a torn and tatty piece of plastic stuck onto a tree and blowing in the wind like a flag. The thought occurred to me, is this the national flag of the future, a tattered and torn nation in ruins?

  • castro.anzi - 2012-06-28 11:31

    Zuma must be stopped to continue grudge with the League only for him to endorse its idea of radical economic change without acknowledgement

  • Carel de Lange - 2012-06-28 11:41

    It was rejected because of the praying people of this country. Acceptance would have meant civil war, complete transformation to a communist dictatorship, an unadulterated power grab and the transformation to an Ethiopian style impoverished civil society. The people of this country did not cede sovereign power to a political party or ideology in 1994, they transferred sovereignty to a democratic constitution.

      thabo.mabena.106 - 2012-06-28 12:03

      NO YOU FOOL! It was not rejected. They are actually in agreement with the contents thereof but rather debating on the "title" that is given to it. You need to pray harder that we dont come after your house and nationalise it.

      tugwana.gwalagwala - 2012-06-28 13:18

      @Young Communist, you are a lunatic! Only fools will take you serious!

  • Lourenzo - 2012-06-28 12:05

    Zuma is simply saying i want the second term and i will now focus on the economy? Youth = Future

      muruti.malungana - 2012-06-28 12:12

      U r so right

  • elizabethann.auld - 2012-06-28 13:18

    Right a major transition has taken place - we have created a new batch of Super Wealthy South Africans and a new batch reduced to miserably poor with a third batch STILL miserably poor who no longer have expectations! So ... what will the second transition create? More of the same? It is tome to stop talking, creating committees and all theta nonsense and DO! Deliver the damn books as you are paid to do and bulid schools with proper security so that they are NOT vandalised and build millions of houses! Conscript back into the army navy & airforce and use these people for PROER security. This will help alleviate poverty, educate and provide much needed self discipline and workm experience! After all you will need clerical experience and ehat about artisans?

      elizabethann.auld - 2012-06-28 13:20

      And if my fingers worked as fast as my brain there would be less spelling errors!

  • vuyani.zondi - 2012-06-28 13:25

    The problame here is that zuma wanted to champion somethng he deos'nt understand now that its being rejected by most provinces he said it was not his idea any way does zuma have any ideas?

  • vuyani.zondi - 2012-06-28 13:25

    The problame here is that zuma wanted to champion somethng he deos'nt understand now that its being rejected by most provinces he said it was not his idea any way does zuma have any ideas?

  • sbu.mahwai - 2012-06-28 13:38

    When was the 1st transition?

  • tugwana.gwalagwala - 2012-06-28 13:40

    The truth about this 'headlined theory' is the realisation that the ruling party is now like an engine that has STALLED in the middle of nowhere. There are no spare parts to fix it, because, it has stalled whilst they were busy plundering the economy. The good side is, the masses out there (so called 'our people') who are often used as voting fodder, will never understand what is this 2nd transition, it's complicated for them. As at this moment, they are hungry, unemployed, experiencing a very cold winter, and hopeless and they want all that now. There's no time to engage into another gear which may take longer to engage, and patience is running out fast. Meaning, their confidence will wane & voting numbers will dwingle which may save this country from being a one arrogant & complacent party state. This may occur sooner than 2018.

  • Vic - 2012-06-28 13:56

    Are you Mthembu trying to tell the Nation that you being NEC of ANC were surprised by this 2nd transition announcement at the your policy conference? Let me rephrase my question - was this never raised and discussed by ANC before, and that is why you're shocked and rejecting it? I know you'll deny, so you don't have to respond. South Africans know that we have a D8888ator in this country. He just proved it to you by surprising you in your conference. Haahaahaa! Next national elections - you all out, but at least with duck but 18 (years) runs in d88888atorship.

  • gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-06-28 16:36

    The Second Transition and Zuma are a flash in the pan. Zuma never has been a leader. Now he is trying to lead from behind. I hope it is not his behind because we already know the front.

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-06-28 16:43

    In other words to broaden the terminological misunderstandings, or what they are willing to adopt and or not is that the ANC and it's Alliance partners are willing to dance with the Zuma faction under the same shower head but they not willing to be shot by his water-pistol. Ikona-we will 'toy-toy' to the words but not the beat.

  • eugene.m.geel - 2012-06-28 17:29

    These guys make me laugh!! Either we have growth and prosperity, or, we rape the land have 20 million unlicensed drivers driving Mercs all over.\r\nCome to think of it- not a hard choice! Go for plunder every time.

  • Nathaniel - 2012-06-28 17:47

    This is an extract from the ANC's election manifesto called the people's contract. Read through it and try to spot the difference with the pathetic policy they are proposing.This was promised some years ago. IT'S A LIE! "The ANC government reversed the decline of the apartheid economy and created conditions for faster growth and job creation. More than two million new jobs were created over the last ten years. But these were not enough to meet the growth in the number of people entering the job market. And many people don't have skills to fill the many job vacancies which exist. To tackle these problems, the ANC will: Grow the economy by investing more than R100-billion in improving roads, rail and air transport, telecommunications and energy, and encouraging in economic sectors with a potential to grow and create jobs. Encourage people to be job creators by spending over R15-billion on broad-based Black Economic Empowerment which benefits communities, workers and small businesses. Provide support and finance to small businesses; speed up land reform and provide comprehensive support to emerging farmers. Train more people, especially the youth, in skilled work, and provide work experience through a massive learnership programme; and create on million job opportunities through the expanded public works programme. From the lessons of the first decade of freedom, the ANC is confident of success. Because we know that, together, we can and will do more.

  • neville.lollan.75 - 2012-06-29 13:48

    Why must there be a "second transition"? South Africa as it were was a white dominated country under the NP as the "first tansition" from colonial rule, is the 'second transition' the black dominance of this country under ANC rule from the Nationalist Party ? I pray not Whatever the " Second Transition " is trying to address it is going to be a failure just by its very negative profile name The ANC must move away from addressing the needs of one sector (black) of the South African society because you are our government even if we did not vote for you .We are payig taxes to that end & for that we demand to be heard & addressed failing we will do whatever is necessary to this end You do not find this in any other government in the world where only the needs of your followers are met & to hell with the rest of the society Profile this new era if you must as " The Social transformation & economical growth plan " for all S Africans with the now eradicated socio economic inequalities. This will spur the nation to assist the government in its efforts to address the needs of all its people who knows you may have your dream of a one party state after all The solution to South Africa's problems is not to TAKE from the rich white folk and businesess to inject into social transformation but to encourage the have's to willingly assist the have not's to free themselves from poverty and thereby eradicating hatred, racism and class distinction at the same time "Unity is Strength" our Credo

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