ANC shouldn't misuse its power - Motlanthe

2012-06-15 07:48

Johannesburg - The ANC must not always use its majority power in Parliament to push through laws, Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe has said.

SABC News quoted Motlanthe as saying the ANC should use the art of persuasion to win debates.

"Because if it relies on superior numbers, [the] message communicated is that they will be dealt with short thrift by ANC. And the ANC will become ordinary. South Africans will choose to associate without parties," Motlanthe said.

Motlanthe was speaking at the Harold Wolpe Lecture at Liliesleaf Farm in Johannesburg on Thursday night.

The public broadcaster reported that Motlanthe also questioned the language and the message in some of the ANC's policy discussion documents.

Questioning the ANC's relationship with its alliance partner the SA Communist Party, he said: "Does the ANC need the SACP? The answer is no."

Wolpe was arrested and jailed with hundreds of others after the 1960 Sharpeville Massacre.

  • Phumi - 2012-06-15 07:55

    President my President!Amandla!! You our last hope to remove the "Gwede factor" in our movement!

      Squeegee - 2012-06-15 08:16

      Mmmm, this is like considering the question of whether it would be better being attacked by a lion or a tiger or a shark. You may have a preference, but in the end you get chowed.

      Andres - 2012-06-15 08:30

      I agree with Kgalema. At least he realises that one cannot be complacent to win election forever, at least he realises that having a majority doesn't mean one needs to bully or abuse, but that collaborative politics works well in democracies. However, to get this message through to say, the Dept. of State Security, through to corrupt cadres or to alliance demagogue populists, well... that is a whole other matter!

      smili.fication - 2012-06-15 08:44

      "Art of persuasion to win debates" - yeah, its doublespeak for "YOU ARE RACIST!" "WHITE CAPITALIST" "WE MUST CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION TO FILL OUR OWN POCKETS" "WE NEED TO MILK SOUTH AFRICA DRY!" Or it could mean, they are going to step up there influence in other parties by using intimidation techniques and propaganda! DOWN WITH ANC CONDOM COMRADES! VIVA DA! VIVA COPE!

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-06-15 09:19

      I must be dreaming. Did the ANC just admit that they often misuse their majority in parliament to push through crap laws ???

      Amused - 2012-06-15 09:57

      This man always manages to impress me too. Humble, intellgent, and fair minded. I will never vote for the ANC myself, but i could still be proud to call this man 'President'.

      Jack - 2012-06-15 10:45

      MY People!!! baa baa baa baaaaa baaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa BAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAA

      marion.friedenthal - 2012-06-15 11:51

      There goes any chance he had at the presidency. More's the pity.

  • TheGoat - 2012-06-15 07:56

    Not need SACP? True, but me thinks you need COSATU and those two are closer to each other than the ANC is to either one

      Zukile - 2012-06-15 08:02

      on the contrary, they aren't as close as u think. SACP is close or loyal to Zuma rather

      anthonycharles.williams - 2012-06-15 08:07

      and lets hope zuma is going.

      TheGoat - 2012-06-15 08:25

      Interesting. So are we seeing the Cult of the Individual rather than following of party politics? That is actually a lot more unstable and dangerous then as it just leads to heavy internal factionalism .... which I guess is what we are seeing ...

  • poloyatonkim - 2012-06-15 07:57

    I am ANC for life. Viva My President Motlanthe Viva.

      Koos - 2012-06-15 08:01

      Good luck. You'll need that and a free t-shirt.

      donald - 2012-06-15 08:04

      dont forget chicken piece and juice

      devon.meredith.31 - 2012-06-15 08:05

      With the way the ANC have governed that might not be for as long as it should be.

      Squeegee - 2012-06-15 08:14

      Ah, poly you little troll. Just when I was considering saying something nice about Zipper's deputy, you came along and changed my mind.

      poloyatonkim - 2012-06-15 08:40

      Its not my fault if you guys support small parties that will never be in power.

      John - 2012-06-15 09:40

      Sad when you pick a party like a football team. It implies that you do not care if they are efficient or not, if they steal or not - that sort of attitude devalues democracy. Democracy relies on its people voting for the most efficient party, ie using their reasoning and actual performance of a political party. The political party in power should not sit their arrogantly knowing they will always win, they should feel a pressure to perform under threat of losing votes. if they don't have to work for their votes, because idiots like this one always vote them in unconditionally, what chance do we have to push the country forward and force the incumbents to perform? People like pollycracker is such a strong example of the desperate need we have to educate our public politically.

      richard.fahrenfort - 2012-06-15 10:12

      "... you guys support small parties that will never be in power." Funny thing, they said the same thing about the DA, then they took over the Cape and then after that 1 out of 4 voters voted DA. Never underestimate the resolve of a group of thoughtful, committed people to change the way things are. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has...

      emile.vanrayner.7 - 2012-06-15 10:28

      @richard - well said. DA is undoubtedly going to come into power sooner or later, mark this well anc followers. and it wont be because they are doing anything extraordinary. its just that at some point EVERYBODY is going to have to admit that the DA is doing a better job than the anc. i for one am happy to play my part, diligently enlightening the masses one at a time

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-06-15 18:23

      you are an Indlovu for life, brainwashed sheep!!!!!

  • Koos - 2012-06-15 07:58

    “art of persuasion” – RUBBISH! Art of intimidation, criminality and force – YES! Art of bribery and corruption – YES! The ANC will never change.

      Warmonger - 2012-06-15 08:11

      Indeed Koos, and when it is required of their 'lawyers' to "argue" their statements (lawyer for the 'clown yewels' case)- they burst out in tears!!

  • donald - 2012-06-15 08:03

    talk is cheap sheep

  • devenjoey.theron - 2012-06-15 08:03

    re-inventing the wheel! any leader have these powers. We are using ours to motivate the ANC to do the right things. together we are a great team. we are the consciousness, the court the whip, and the ANC can take the credit. all good decisions are met in court. education come at massive price, but this tanker need steering.

  • ntunjab - 2012-06-15 08:07

    Away with ZumGwede go ABZ!!!!

  • daniel.motlhatlhedi - 2012-06-15 08:08

    Does SACP needs anc? The answer is hell no

      Michael - 2012-06-15 09:47

      They need Russia.

  • Vince - 2012-06-15 08:09

    Surely this is a late April fools joke. After they have tried unsuccessfully to ram everything through parliament i.e. the info bill, now things have to be debated. You sir are a JOKE, please do not stand for election as we do not need another clown at the helm!!!

  • anthonycharles.williams - 2012-06-15 08:09

    so you the guy that flys around at R420 000.00 per flight? You do not impress me.

      Clayton Richard Delport - 2012-06-15 08:44

      It was all flights you chop

      Raymond - 2012-06-15 09:10

      Wrong Clayton. That was per flight if you took an average. Be careful when you call someone names. Sometimes it bites back.

  • vic.hammond.75 - 2012-06-15 08:10

    That comment is best one for ages coming from ANC, but should have been said and practiced 18 years ago, then perhaps we wouldn't have had such racial hatred and devide. Not holding my breath! The next one I want to hear is that higher appointments will be based on MERIT, not jobs for Pals?. Hey Zuma?

      emile.vanrayner.7 - 2012-06-15 10:34

      nope. that one you are never going to hear

      vic.hammond.75 - 2012-06-15 12:20

      You're right emile. Perhaps I should have said " would like to" instead of "want to" hear.

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-06-15 08:11

    Well said and truly we are all involved in the struggle and u cannot win with more men if they all powerless and the ANC need to have quality rather than quantity.

      Michael - 2012-06-15 09:48

      Better lide for all looks good on the poltical signboards but it is impossiblt to truly aquire as the elite like being the elite and not just an ordinary guy/girl...mwaaaaahhh

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-06-15 18:24

      yebo, evota DA, the ANC have shown they are useless.

  • Sekwati - 2012-06-15 08:15

    talk is cheap..anc this anc that..suprise us and do something for the people for for talking,I think the anc has done enough now...action please...

  • Stephen - 2012-06-15 08:15

    The ANC is all about the abuse and mis-use of power..........bottom line.

  • ApSoLuT1 - 2012-06-15 08:16

    when did he notice that? 40 something years ago when he joined the party or now that he is fighting for leadership? Politicians in South Africa are taking us for a ride. These cheap politics are not solving any of the country's problems. Debates should opened on how to fight poverty, improve education and fight coruption on all levels. Here we have people spending more of their time fighting for positions instead of fulfilling their mandates.

      themba.maseko.568 - 2012-06-15 11:14

      The relationship between the ANC and SACP dates back many years and there are many NEC members who have dual membership - he is stamping on many ANC members by this loose comment. He is basically undermining the Alliance!

  • dennis.vermaak.5 - 2012-06-15 08:21

    So a bek moet jam kry !!

  • bonganiemmanuel.mazibuko - 2012-06-15 08:23

    another clown Mr Motlanthe, the candidate for anc pres in dec, after 18 years u ask that stupid question, as much as u see that anc does need sacp, does sacp need anc, a big hell of No. Stop fooling us pls, you lost it comrade.

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-06-15 08:27

    Very powerful words from Motlanthe

  • luzukotosh - 2012-06-15 08:28

    Very relevant Mr Deputy president

  • bonganiemmanuel.mazibuko - 2012-06-15 08:35

    mr deputy president u rathet withdraw your statement we are fightin for unity n u r busy promotin divisions. With u i see disaster

  • tebogo.thomas.90 - 2012-06-15 08:39

    comrade together we shall govern, anc need sacp not sacp need anc check the scorecard.

      morama.sebata - 2012-06-15 11:02

      Ohhhh boy,Are you crying cz you are one of those who voted ANC to win Kwazulu natal because the pres aka"Shower head spear" is about to loose his post which leaves you with frustrations because you are voting along ethnical line?

  • Busani - 2012-06-15 08:40

    GIMME A BREAK! What powers of persuasion - everything 99.9% - of the laws you want to pass are laws that undermine the interests and destabilize democracy!!! stupid bo**dy ANC - i pray with Tutu for you to come to an end!!!!!

  • mark.haupt.31 - 2012-06-15 08:46

    After 18 years of misrule you're now trying to persuade us that you can govern? Forget it, don't trust any of you further than I can see you and by the way, you need all the help you can get.....

  • Ringeta - 2012-06-15 08:47

    Misleading point Mr D-Prsident. Grow please.

  • Ringeta - 2012-06-15 08:50

    The reason we voted ANC,we wanted majority vote in parliament. I don't think you are ok.

      jonas.moacwiemang - 2012-06-15 09:21

      W votd 2 sik votes nd 2 debate. Also 2 b in majority dnt 4gt hw w mst defnd our da revolution.

  • moikhethi - 2012-06-15 08:52

    South African Capitalist Party (SACP)

  • pupuru - 2012-06-15 08:53

    The reporter here is lying,the deputy president never said "Does the ANC need the SACP? The answer is no." as you allege.perhaps the reporter should have been there or not have reported the matter because is a blatant lie and worst of all they written in such a manner that seek to display as if this are the words of our D President. this low quality reporting leaves much to be desired on what is the intention or is it an error of reporting.this element tend to become a behaviour that perhaps deemed acceptable at news rooms but it demonstrate decay of proffesion indeed.

      gladstone.dyonase - 2012-06-15 09:44

      Spelling your name correctly, you are a Sphukuphuku.

      johan.maree.5036 - 2012-06-15 11:05

      So... what did he say? That's like saying, "you will never believe what happened to me"... and then you don't tell us what happened! That's not very nice!

  • Rob - 2012-06-15 08:53

    Stating the obvious really. What is much more interesting to consider is why would the arrogant bullies be prepared to even consider listening to an alternative view let alone using coercion or dialogue to moderate that view. The answer is of course an admission that the anc appears to be losing influence and support. Yes, the principle is positive and appropriate, but for it to be implemented the anc needs to replace most of its current tribe of deficient cadres with educated and sophisticated members. That would mean a much smaller assembly too!

  • markus.botha - 2012-06-15 08:54

    I'll be happy if we can have educated, humble, motivated, and most of all selfless individuals who can come together and as a mastermind to get things done in South Africa. We need new politicians.

  • Fanie - 2012-06-15 09:00

    You must be joking?! Really? What a stupid comment.

  • abusufyaan.ahmad - 2012-06-15 09:06

    Democracy isn't about motivating everybody to accept the ANC

  • Sonwabile Langa-Nomvalo - 2012-06-15 09:15

    He makes sense...I've always held him in high regards. Time has come that he speaks his mind in opposition of the current incompetent leadership.

      Keith - 2012-06-15 09:27

      So now when the race is on he speaks up, why has he been so quiet for so long? Too little too late.

  • Keith - 2012-06-15 09:26

    Really its taken you guys 18 years to figure this one out!

  • Songezo Nondonga - 2012-06-15 09:33

    Well good startement but i believe he is looking for votes, why now he say this?

  • thandazile.selana1 - 2012-06-15 09:52


  • Rob - 2012-06-15 09:54

    Regardless of the validity of Motlante's comments it is obvious that, judging by the comments posted so far, there is a clear division between two main ideas. On the one hand supporting the principle of dialogue and other words a democratic process that respects the rights of minorities and promotes stability. As opposed to the view of power domination from a majority that forces the views of the dominant party onto the entire country. In other words undemocratic government close to dictatorship or tribal leadership that will inevitably result in discontent and unrest. Sure News 24 is hardly the entire country, but it is really very disturbing to see such polarisation of thought; no wonder the extremists come out of the woodwork.

  • thando.ramncwana - 2012-06-15 09:55

    Its democracy mr DP........we vote ANC because of its policies, and if those policies are NOT implemented because of a certain law then so be it. Change that law to implement that policy. These policies are adopted after robusts debates and arguements. In 1994 we both shared the spoils as black and white, but we know that the victor dictates the agenda......the ANC should implement its policies cause they are the benefit of the poor majority.

      Rob - 2012-06-15 10:12

      thando: It is not, as you say, democracy....far from it. An essential component of democracy is preventing 'the tyranny of the majority'. Do a Google search if you need more info. What you propose is subjugation, domination, and misuse of power.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-06-15 10:20

      "they are the benefit of the poor majority." >still thinks that they care about the poor majority beyond election times.

  • Jeffrey Mangz Longwe - 2012-06-15 09:56

    this is good, ive always wondered why these guys never debate like the US, coz it really shows their level of intelligence to do so, by doing so they will eliminate uneducated presidents like JayZ

  • Gavin - 2012-06-15 10:06

    Intelligent Man

  • FANNYDNA - 2012-06-15 10:12

    MOTLANTHE ,kgalema batho ba!!!

  • Zimbobwe - 2012-06-15 10:18

    The reality is the anc will rule for a very long time because of dumbos like poly@sswipe and jellytsotsibaby. Allwe had to do is pray that someone sensible like Motlanthe take the seats and direct the ship to some safer waves. We can wish this and that but as long as we have the illeterate majority who worship the likes of malema and zuma the anc will rule forever.

  • Danny - 2012-06-15 10:41

    "And the ANC will become ordinary." Looking forward to the improvement!

  • Jacqui - 2012-06-15 10:43

    If it doesn't use it's majority power the ANC would long ago have been out the door. It uses bully tactics because that is all it knows. Like with all bullies, eventually this one will also hit the floor.

  • ziphok1 - 2012-06-15 11:18

    And why is he saying this now. I like the old man but the timing is raising eyebrows. I will never believe anything from that comes from ANC man.

      tsekom2 - 2012-06-15 12:34

      I think he is a human being and member like others to raise issues and this is the time the alliance partners have to start their organisation.

  • sango.jika - 2012-06-15 11:26

    Deputy president you the man.

  • Andre - 2012-06-15 11:39

    Very intelligent speak for a comrade.I wonder who wrote this speech?

  • Phelamanga - 2012-06-15 12:21

    No wonder the SACP is strident in its attempts to justify its existence. For too long has the ANC been dictated to by COSATU and the SACP. Let these two organisation stand alone for elections instead of riding on the shirt-tails of the ANC to get their voice heard. But, then, if that happens will the ANC be able to regroup and come up with its own policies based on the needs and wants of present day South Africans? Is this an indication that Zuma and his commie cling-ons will be out after Mangaung? I hope so. We can have intelligent debate in parliament again! Get rid of the Vula operatives to save yourselves, ANC!

  • amos.magezi - 2012-06-15 12:32

    We don't if u a saying this because u want to lead the ANC and the country, because b4 PLK Zuma promised that if we elect him, he will run only for one term like former pres.Mandela but now because we elected him, he don't want to give others a chance.

  • tolo.maano - 2012-06-15 12:36

    Does anc need sacp answer NO...u go mr president motlhanthe..let blande mr smooth face nzimande go to h***l...go with u at mangaung

  • Rob - 2012-06-15 12:57

    Surely it is time for this artificial conglomorate called the anc to split into cohesive seperate parties and contest the electorial ground individually. Then we will see democracy at work for the benefit of everyone in SA. Right now we have a parliamentary majority that is in reality a coalition pretending to be one party, time for change!