ANC slams court action over lists

2011-03-16 08:16

Johannesburg - Attempts to prevent the ANC from submitting its candidate lists for the upcoming local government elections in time will fail, spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said on Tuesday.

This came after members of the ANC took the party to court to halt its list process, arguing that it was illegitimate in the Buffalo City and Alfred Nzo regions.

"Any attempts of not having the ANC submitting candidates for these two regions to the IEC will not succeed," he said.

The ANC has instructed its lawyers to respond.

"We will be contesting in a court of law those who have taken us to court and made unfounded statements to the effect that our list conferences in the Buffalo City and Alfred Nzo region were illegitimate," he said.

The party's leadership has condemned those who resorted to court action without exhausting internal processes first.

'Personal and other reasons'

Mthembu said the ANC believed those who brought the application were driven by "personal and other reasons".

"The headquarters of the ANC, working together with our province of the Eastern Cape as well as the two regions and our branches there, have already instructed our legal team to respond to these cases of litigation from the five people concerned.

"We are confident that even our courts will find in our favour and dismiss all those who not only want to divert ANC internal democratic practices, but also want to create a diversion in the further democratisation of our country," Mthembu said.

Those who ignored internal processes would also be subjected to a disciplinary hearing once the court action concluded, he said.

On Tuesday, the Sowetan reported that court papers were served on the party on Monday and that several branches in the Amathole region were expected to take similar action on Wednesday.

It reported that if the dispute went unresolved, the ANC risked missing the Independent Electoral Commission's deadline of March 25 to submit its nominees.

Mthembu said various branches and regions in the North West also had to finalise their lists.

  • paulf - 2011-03-16 08:30

    Very interesting topic, I wonder what is going to happen next? Doesn't look like they going to meet the deadline.

      simodi - 2011-03-16 09:25

      wishfull thinking not healthy for u Pf,ANC rules.

      Jayjay001 - 2011-03-16 10:53

      @ simodi What's exactly wrong with paulf's statement?! He never made reference to wishing for anything. The ANC has left the Freedom Charter, and our Constitution, saying equality for all. Coloureds sit at the highest unemployment, not our fellow Black South Africans, as is claimed.  And they sit in the Western and Northern Cape at the highest unemployment rates they've ever seen. Unlike the creative ANC story of the Whiteys having money, what was one tenth of the Whites are now in poverty and that's just jumped by another 200 000 people. Hey, i can understand that equality means squatter White people. I was doing it LONG before it became trendy, and our family always lived in squalor. No BEE or AA/EE helped me, working in a broken garage and studying till late in the evenings for years to escape poverty. Going to the dumps on the weekends to collect garbage. I'm the voice of the New South Africa, the voice of someone who NEVER had it good back then and who FOUGHT BY MYSELF to get out of poverty. And to all you bloody ANC agents who come here and pretend to be a minority, even specifically White South African and spew Racism against Black people in an attempt to put our fellow Black South Africans backs up, wikileaks will find you out in the end. That ANC propaganda online machine is going full throttle, making lies and turning people South Africa people against one another, against the Freedom Charter of 1955. We're SICK of this persecution and lies, SICK

      willieman - 2011-03-16 12:02

      @simodi do you truly believe that there is going to be service delivery inthose regions,consider this BACK STABBING by the deciplined deployed cadres.In simple terms it means No service delivery infighting will be the order of the day.Common Simodi the writing is on the wall

      paulf - 2011-03-16 12:15

      Thanks Jayjay001, you hit the nail on the head. Simodi is unfortunately very gull-able and a lost sheep like the others.

  • Alwyn - 2011-03-16 08:33

    And the cracks in the ANC is widening and widening,walls will come down on the 18th of May on the most corrupt goverment in SA history,,,,all the incompetent idiots will take a fall

      Melly30 - 2011-03-16 08:54


      Gazza11 - 2011-03-16 09:20

      Alwyn I hope and pray you are right.

      RiverStone - 2011-03-16 09:22

      Don't count your eggs to early. The people who vote for them are not bothered about corruption. It is like supporting the Sprinbok team. Even if they got a bad game, you still support them.

      michaelph - 2011-03-16 09:23

      Alwyn- I wish this was true. The problem with the ANC is that no one takes a fall - EVER!! Half of them have criminal records (but still hold important positions in our government), the other half are being bust for fraud, corruption, tender scandals, etc, etc and don't even get a slap on the wrists. There is ZERO accountability in the ANC and they do whatever they like to whomever and whenever. They will never fall - until they loose an election - at which point they will push for a pseudo "democratic" shared government to hold onto power. Sadly they ANC will be here to irritate our grandchildren at which point they will still be exploiting their own

      Alwyn - 2011-03-16 09:32

      @Michaelph,,,Mubarak,Amin,Bocassa,the National party also thought that they would never fall,so did Musolini,Hitler and ,,,and, Fall they will fall no doubt,maybe not now but very soon

      v3 - 2011-03-16 09:38

      Don't worry, Comical Ali - I mean Comrade Floyd - issued an ANCYL statement that the ANC and its Alliance are united.

      Alwyn - 2011-03-16 09:52

      @Simodi and your sidekick V3,I dont care if the country is run by a black,white ,indian or coloured ,,,and i had a lot of respec t for Nelson Mandela,,,but surely you can see that Zuma and his cronies doesnt worry about any of us ,,you included,,,they formed the corrupt elite and they are the only benefitting from the recousces,surely you can not take a person serious that believe that he can wash a HIV virus away,or that ARVs is not in Whoonga or that Only ANC card carrying ANC members will go to heaven,,,,wake up the man is a corrupt clown surrounded by jesters,and regarding the ANCYL ,whatever Floyd or Malema says can not and should not be taken seriously,,Stop living in a dream world and think about your childrens future

      Tseleng - 2011-03-16 11:35

      @alwyn, differences are there but that does not mean white's will rule in AFRICA, I don't want to specifically mention SA.

      Alwyn - 2011-03-16 11:44

      Who the F-ck is asking for white rule ,read my comment dip shit,any race,as long as its transparent and competent

      ocon777 - 2011-03-16 14:50

      It seems ANC members cant see past race issues even though it states clearly in the ANC manifesto " The creation of a non-racial non sexist SA". Life must really suck when you are continually trying to prove yourself for the wrong reasons and think that "they" are out to get you. paranoia deluxe.

  • jiamalunga - 2011-03-16 08:33

    And the fight for Personal gain continuous....VOTE DA TO STOP THIS CRAP!

      Bruno Today - 2011-03-16 09:11

      Every single Political Party is corrupt. Don't pretend that the DA is perfect, they are merely the lesser of several evils. And, while I agree that it is good to reduce the majority and vote for the largest opposition, it is very important not to follow a political party blindly. I'm sure that you can appreciate the fact that this is one of the main reasons that we are in our current situation.

      GBES - 2011-03-16 12:48

      VOTE DA and enter African National Corrupt party,and have HELL on earth. Else form a BEE deal with the guy down under..

      Enuff - 2011-03-16 13:44

      Simodi - your ancestors don't have to live with the legacy they left you! Do some research and you will find that the ANC did NOT bring democracy for all - they are merely the first democratically elected government! While you're at it - gain understanding of the meaning of "democracy". Once you do, I'm sure you'll find that democracy is very far from what we experience in South Africa!

  • GH - 2011-03-16 08:37

    The ANC cannibals are only following the example of their leader & are literally killing each other for the opportunity to "serve the people".

  • gizzy - 2011-03-16 08:42


  • gys.smit - 2011-03-16 08:43

    If they don't make the cut off you will see violent protests ! Hope the DA wins there ward !!!!!

      simodi - 2011-03-16 09:36

      Vote ANC MY CHINA.

  • shylady777 - 2011-03-16 08:49

    The problem is the example that our government is setting for these people. They want to be on the candidate list so they too can profit from being elected....ANC....catch a wake up and give up must surely know what you are doing to our country.....

      simodi - 2011-03-16 09:37


  • michaelph - 2011-03-16 08:50

    what a bunch of loosers. The ANC would rather waste more time and money (note - tax payer's money) on this kind of rubbish instead of sorting out all the service delivery issues which is what would make them a relevant party. Clog up our already overburdened courts with this crap why don't you!

  • Slapper - 2011-03-16 08:52

    Another pointer that they can not rule themselves, let alone effectively rule the country. Clowns falling out.

  • advurt - 2011-03-16 08:52

    he he he . . . fighting amongst themselves like dogs over a bone!Great fun to watch these idiots squabble instead of running the country. The time is nigh . . .

      Dugmore - 2011-03-16 11:24

      You want to rule this again but you still refering to black people as idiots. this is just a reflection of what most white people think about the black people in this country.You failed in the passed and what will make things different this time. Look at what is happening in Cape Town (open toilets in Khayelitsha). Is this what you regard as good governnce. Simphiwe

      Enuff - 2011-03-16 13:53

      Dugmore - for heaven's sake man! Get your head out the sand! Advurt is referring to the ANC officials as idiots - he is not referring to black people as idiots!!! Open toilets in Cape Town - really, is that all you've got??? Why were the toilets left open? What's the full story? Open toilets vs corrupt municipalities. Open toilets vs unsafe drinking water. Open toilets vs inadequate medical facilities. Open toilets vs 1 teacher teaching a class of 100. Open toilets vs billions of rands worth or corruption.

  • sean.redmond3 - 2011-03-16 08:53

    The ANC is driven by "personal and other reasons".

  • Sword&Cross - 2011-03-16 08:57


      unblind - 2011-03-16 12:52

      what do you mean by dictatorship? south africa is a democracy. the anc is democratically elected by the people of this country. and so far we have had presidents vacating office when their term is done. so what exactly does the term "dictatorship" mean in your world?

      MathysTheart - 2011-03-16 16:47

      Try to vote the ANC out as the ruling party, and you'll see what he is talking about.

  • paulf - 2011-03-16 08:57

    They obviously do not like the buddy names on the lists? They have seen the light and happy they are taking the corrupt cronies to court. Don't think the will meet the deadline. Viva DA Viva!!!!

  • Sword&Cross - 2011-03-16 09:00

    RACIST REGIME? - any doubts? ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe ANC concerned about non-invitation to Cosatu conference ANC urges leaders to take legal action Cosatu wants hold on SABC appointments Cosatu calls for better Cabinet performance Another Cosatu chief gets stuck into tycoon Kunene "We noted that the ANC, the [SA Communist Party and [SA National Civics Organisation] were not invited, positioning the conference as an alternative block to the alliance," Mantashe told a media briefing at Luthuli House on Tuesday. "We believe the majority of Cosatu leadership have no intention of implementing regime change in South Africa, but we nonetheless caution that an action like the one of leading a charge for the formation...of a mass civic movement outside the alliance and the ANC might indeed be interpreted as initial steps for regime change in South Africa," Mantashe said. Mantashe was speaking after a meeting of the ANC's National Working Committee that took place on Monday. He said that although there were denials in speeches and declarations at the conference that it was anti-government or anti-ANC, its failure to invite the ANC and other alliance partners pointed to the opposite. He described the conference's stance as oppositionist and noted that the government of the ANC was "found guilty" in absentia for pursuing neo liberal policies. Mantashe said the ANC was appalled by Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi referring to ANC members as "predatory elite". But, he said, Vavi had not engaged in public spats as his comments were generalised. This after the ANC's National General Council in September resolved that firm action would be taken against those who engaged in public spats. However, Mantashe said that generalised statements made by Vavi "caused more harm" than if he had been specific. The ANC would talk to Cosatu on its concerns over the conference and convene a meeting urgently.

  • schmerz - 2011-03-16 09:00

    "ANC internal democratic practices", this story seems like fiction

  • paulf - 2011-03-16 09:00

    The party's leadership has condemned those who resorted to court action without exhausting internal processes first. Sounds shady doesn't it? Internal processes so they can get their way. I congratulate the ones taking them to court!!!

  • BigMoose - 2011-03-16 09:05

    Late = African punctuality.

  • paulf - 2011-03-16 09:08

    I notice there is no more Loyalty within the ANC. The ships busy sinking I might add!!!

  • ruadrauflessa - 2011-03-16 09:14

    :D I just love this statement "We are confident that even our courts will find in our favour" Wahahahaha our courts... So the ANC sais it OWNS the courts...

      simodi - 2011-03-16 09:41

      our courts says the writer not ANC,remember media being against the ruling party.

      Enuff - 2011-03-16 14:01

      @Simodi - "We are confident that even our courts will find in our favour and dismiss all those who not only want to divert ANC internal democratic practices, but also want to create a diversion in the further democratisation of our country," Mthembu said. You appear to be suffering the side effects of ANC indoctrination - blindness, ignorance and stupidity. Please use your brain and it's power to reason to overcome these symptoms.

  • STVK - 2011-03-16 09:35

    I am willing to put money on it that nothing will come of this. Haven’t you read that “their court” will vote in “their favour”. Surely that clearly indicates the complete disregard for law and order of these “leaders“. I know that we have all had enough of negative nonsense in this country but honestly with corruption as deep seeded as it is how could we expect a fair and honest result when the without intimidation and corruption. These people openly and proudly “bend” the rules to suit their needs. If even the constitution can be bent to allow corruptors to walk free what is going to make those in charge of the IEC immune to a little monetary persuasion to extend the deadline. Wait and see the law and rule be perverted to some agenda high enough up the ladder.

      Thas-Man - 2011-03-16 13:13

      It clearly states out courts as being referred to by the jounalist, being the South African courts you idiot.

  • v3 - 2011-03-16 09:37

    But when the internal processes are corrupt (and the entire ANC is rotten) why should the dissidents use them?

  • Bheki - 2011-03-16 09:47

    Those individuals who has decided to take the party (ANC) to court should rather join the opposition- Cope, UDM, Inkatha and DA. Why are they so keen to run for the offices. They should realise that the ANC is so powerful in the Eastern Cape, that is why we still have mud schools, high death rate for infant, high rate of corruption the list goes on. My please to you, join the opposition-look at Cape Town and ask yourself which political party will deliver or will hold the ANC to account?

      GBES - 2011-03-16 12:50

      DJY is duidelik my bro.The DA municipalities looks clean,orderly and the majority of ratepayers are happy with the credit control they exercise.I do not care if the guy in charge is black/white/coloured.I LIKE ORDER.

  • maseratifitt - 2011-03-16 09:54

    Political Parties remain the single greatest stumbling block on the road to democracy and freedom in our country. The ANC served only one useful purpose in our history : assisting in the abolition of apartheid. Since then it just steadily dragged South Africa down to the well known African quagmire of political power games. South Africa needs, and deserves, more civilized management. This will not be found in the Party system where priorities are 1) Self enrichment 2) Party enrichment 3) National interest. We urgently need to change the electoral system and implement management structures focussed on the needs of South Africa.

  • Colin Dovey - 2011-03-16 09:55

    "Aluta Continua" - I am reflecting what some quaintly erudite soul in this column quoted as being ANC thinking. It translates into: "The Struggle Continues" - but, tongue in cheek, he is quite right of course, we are ALL struggling, black, white, coloured, Indian. Very little really works well when in ANC hands - And whether he likes it or not, the mix will still be there when we are all dead and gone. The wealth of money being paid in taxes by the very people he professes to hate - (Dirty, hard-working, small business and job creating/making, Capitalists :-)) is being WASTED on fancy cars, guest house furnishings, unnecessary trips etc, etc etc. The things that REALLY matter, like Education, Hospitals and JOBS are not there. A good government, black, white, coloured or Indian - facilitates an environment for creating jobs. Governments do not make jobs - small business does, and the very people who make them are those whites, blacks, coloureds and Indians that are not necessarily ANC party hacks. It has NOTHING to do with a BLACK or white Government - it comes down to voting for the TRUE SOUTH AFRICANS that we ALL want in our hearts - what we really want are true LEADERS, and they are not in the ANC - black, white, coloured or Indian. Who is that leader? Pity perhaps that Helen Zille was not black - I would still vote for prejudice. All we need is honesty.

      paulf - 2011-03-16 10:37

      Colin, I admire the way you put it LOUD AND CLEAR!!!! I just hope the others can read and understand what you are trying to imply here. Thumbs up for you. :-)

  • LuCypher - 2011-03-16 09:55

    To misquote Voltaire: Man will truly only be free when the last politician is strangled with the entrails from the last priest.

      Sword&Cross - 2011-03-16 10:16

      WOW, your gospel sounds as though written by the ANCYL - plagierised of course by mpshe.

  • simodi - 2011-03-16 10:00

    Alwyn i have a gud future with ANC so is my future children they brought democracy in this country cos i know have an access to everthing.

      paulf - 2011-03-16 10:23

      Simodi, you live in a dream world and are blind. I guess you did not read the topic that Desmund Tutu wrote criticising the government. Everything he said there was true and JZ could not even answer him. Shows you Tutu was right and JZ had no answers. What we see and what we want is for people to wake up and vote for a party that will and can deliver. Not a party giving empty promises for 17 years. I really feel for the urban and township people that have cotton wool pulled over their eyes. They are getting tired of the empty promises, that's why they are demonstrating against the government. I hope you get the point here. I don't vote for colour as I am not a racist, I vote for whom can and will bring a difference to the livelihood to All SA citizens.

      Colin Dovey - 2011-03-16 10:30

      Do you have access to the 5 million jobs, good education and affordable health care my friend? Alutia continua - the STRUGGLE continues - as long as the ANC ruins our country.

      Grant - 2011-03-16 10:33

      simodi - you have made so many posts of blind loyalty in just this one article that I get the impression that you are panicking, as well you should be!

      Melly30 - 2011-03-16 11:13

      Just leave him... Simodi and his kids are going to suffer... Let him be blinded... Sheep follower!! One day you will learn to think for yourselves... But that will only happen when the education standards are put up!!! DAH

      DAM - 2011-03-16 11:51

      Access to what, exactly? Education and healthcare are non existent unless you are an elite ANC member with loads of cash (stolen from the likes of you and me) who can send their kids to private schools and pay for the best doctors. WAKE UP!!! You people only see colour and that's why you will only vote ANC even though they are the most corrupt party ever. You still believe all the ANC drivel they've been spewing forth for 17 years? What about all the promises made? Houses for all? Where are these? The ones that have been built and are still standing are being SOLD to people by corrupt politicians. What about the best education for all? Have you seen the state of the schools in the townships? You are all BLIND!

      Enuff - 2011-03-16 14:11

      You appear to be suffering the side effects of ANC indoctrination - blindness, ignorance and stupidity. Please use your brain and it's power to reason to overcome these symptoms.

  • coonpsycho - 2011-03-16 10:11

    " but also want to create a diversion in the further democratisation of our country" yes because black empowerment, and having fraudsters and criminals for PM's is very democratic. I wish the people will wake up and see that the ANC is a joke with empty promises and their demographic is the closest they will come to the word democratisation. That said they probably like the corruption and empty promises of the ANC? Would you not rather vote for a party who plans ahead for the country, thus eliminating the need to strike every 3 months? Vote DA get results.

  • Sword&Cross - 2011-03-16 10:36

    Kind permission of some brilliant commenter! Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way you can understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic. Someone over there has it figured out. We have a lot of work to do. "The danger to South Africa is not Jacob Zuma but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a Zuma presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Zuma, who is a mere symptom of what ails South Africa. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Jacob Zuma, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President.

      paulf - 2011-03-16 11:06

      Hey Sword, I like this post you added. I hope the others can grasp what you posted here.

  • Masello - 2011-03-16 11:01

    @ jayjay: shem, u didn't get that simodi is not attacking paul, shows yo reasoning capacity, might b a grammar thing. 'creative story of the whiteys have money.' come on now! history has been bleached enough, that one is not going away soon. not while there's alexander and sandton. comment on the story, don't bring yo ill-informed guilty views. what's next, there was no colonialism. don't make me laugh.

  • ludlowdj - 2011-03-16 11:08

    sounds like the ANC is sulking because its being challenged by its own. Someone needs to remind them the difference between a democracy and a socialist state....AGAIN!!

  • Totman - 2011-03-16 11:18

    Can the real ANC stand up please. The one that stand for the freedom of Tom, Dick and Harry. This one, currently ruling, is not the real ANC anymore. It is "Shaiky" Can the ANC not parted from being a struggle organization to a respectable political party?[if you can get one] Can the voters not see this. I presume that they do not see there way open to vote for another party, but it does not mean they must than vote for the ruling party. It does not mean that if you can't find better you need to vote for a party that is worst than nothing. Let's admit. There were times and new laws that we need to be grateful for, from the ANC, but than they have became so bad that it would have been better with nothing than having them ruling. Come on people. Use your votes like in spread betting if you do not know who deserve your vote. Your changes are better. I am sure the old original ANC leaders are turning in there graves and it is good that we keep the real truth away from THE ONE still alive. I can't believe I come to this point. I am not campaigning for any party, but only for the truth, however current circumstances force me to rather ask for no-vote/spread-voting than to keep things going as it is.

      paulf - 2011-03-16 11:37

      Well said Totman, good post.

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