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ANC to block no confidence motion

2012-11-14 19:51

Cape Town - The ANC will block the opposition's attempt to have a motion of no confidence in President Jacob Zuma debated in the National Assembly.

The African National Congress's parliamentary caucus met on Wednesday to discuss the proposed motion, ANC Chief Whip Mathole Motshekga said.

"There was unanimous agreement that this is a frivolous motion, which has nothing to do with Section 102 and Section 89 of the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa, which deals with the removal of the president from office.

"The motion of the opposition about the alleged violation of the Constitution by President [Jacob] G Zuma is without foundation and cannot be supported by fact," he said.

Last week, Democratic Alliance parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko gave notice in the Assembly of a motion of no confidence in Zuma.

The motion was brought on the grounds "that under his leadership the justice system has been politicised and weakened; corruption has spiralled out of control; unemployment continues to increase, the economy is weakening, and the right of access to quality education has been violated".

The motion was "mandated" by eight opposition parties, including the African Christian Democratic Party, the Azanian People's Organisation, Congress of the People, Freedom Front Plus, Inkatha Freedom Party, the United Christian Democratic Party, and the United Democratic Movement.

Motshekga said it was not the first time that the opposition had tabled such a frivolous motion.

"Problematic and frivolous as the 2010 motion of no confidence was, we agreed to it [then] to prove and make a point to the sceptical detractors that we are committed to parliamentary democracy and that this movement never shies away from a debate.

"Indeed, we emerged with flying colours from that debate and Parliament reaffirmed its confidence in the president," he said.

However, it was cause for concern that Parliament should be abused with a "flurry of frivolous motions which are motivated by nothing other than a desire for cheap publicity".

It would be a complete travesty and an unsustainable precedent to allow a frivolous motion, which was based solely on spurious allegations rather than facts, to be afforded the dignity of consideration and debate by Parliament.

"The motion by these opposition parties, which they know as anyone else its chances of success are zero, seeks to try the president in a court of public opinion and tarnish his image and that of the ANC in the media.

"If these opposition parties want a president of their choice, they should wait for the elections in 2014; we will be ready to contest them.

"Caucus has therefore unanimously decided to oppose the programming of this motion on the order paper of the National Assembly," Motshekga said.

In a statement later, Mazibuko called the ANC's decision "both unprecedented and unconstitutional".

"The DA has already submitted an urgent letter to the Speaker of the National Assembly, Max Sisulu, who chairs the National Assembly Programming Committee urging him to intervene and schedule this vote.

"As the head of the legislative arm of the state, Mr Sisulu must take every step available to him to ensure that the Constitution is respected and its provisions given effect to."

A motion of no confidence was provided for in terms of the Constitution, as a mechanism available for members to test the confidence that the House had in a sitting president.

Since the president was elected by the National Assembly, it was also given the right to withdraw its support at any time through a majority vote.

"To block this vote would be to violate this provision explicitly and set a precedent whereby the ANC can prevent the National Assembly from holding the president accountable, as the Constitution envisages," she said.

Comments
  • danita.renecle - 2012-11-14 20:00

    This country is not democratic, a secret vote would be able to tell us how many of the ANC parliamentarians are happy with their own leader. The chief whip of Parliament is supposed to be neutral, like a judge.

      daleinn - 2012-11-14 21:12

      u right... its autocratic !

      art5SA - 2012-11-14 21:26

      ANC prefer to KEEP ON PLUNDERING under ZUMA.... Zuma IS THE WEAKEST LINK... to ALL the CORRUPTION AND FRAUD! All Zuma has achieved is to DANCE LIKE A FOOL, and LAUGH like an IDIOT... ...and introduce Z.E.E. (Zuma Economic Empowerment)to the SA economy. as the beneficaries are his IMMEDIATE FAMILY and KAYA!!!!!

      mark.a.fysh - 2012-11-14 21:42

      Leonard1. They are using Mugabe's handbook. "Bastardds! Bloody Western agents!"

      goeie.jaarling - 2012-11-14 21:43

      Time to get really worried....

      infijar.ken - 2012-11-14 23:22

      No he's not, the Speaker is supposed to be neutral! You know, that Max Sisulu chap who allowed another Sisulu person to insult a member of the opposition with impunity.

  • godfrey.welman - 2012-11-14 20:06

    Just what are you afraid off, humour us the tax payers with a debate.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-11-14 21:44

      Really now. Have you stayed awake during any of his interminable, rambling speeches? Not even he knows what he's reading half the time. He'd be crucified in a debate where there's no 6 metres of paper/teletype. The only contest he'd win is for dancing and singing umshimi wam

      Bobbycat - 2012-11-15 05:21

      Afraid Zuma will be asked to define Democracy.

  • SharonE - 2012-11-14 20:07

    Truth be told, he is a very bad president. Nkandla, Zumaville, the as yet untried corruption charges, his non-existent leadership style, the list is unending... Let the ANC prove the opposition parties wrong. That is what democracy is all about - if that is what South Africa still has something like a democracy...

      mark.a.fysh - 2012-11-14 21:24

      ANC hunkering down in their bunkers.

      chris.debeer1 - 2012-11-14 21:27

      I feel so sorry for you all. A very intelligent highly educated as profound leader once said ONe man one vote in South Africa would lead to Domination of black over white It would not be Democracy!! We have MASSES of voting cattle that would vote ANC "Till Jesus comes as Our Dictator already told us" The rainbow is gone smell the rosses

      mark.a.fysh - 2012-11-14 21:29

      Truth be told, they would lose a secret Parliamentary ballot - we all know it. Their corruption is in the potholed streets, the teetering electricity supply and everything else that bears the mark of this Corrupt Administration.

      bambanani.mdzimba - 2012-11-15 00:08

      @rustic,so in ather words you are saying ANC mp will vote for DA.KEEP ON DREAMING.

  • Philip Nel - 2012-11-14 20:11

    So what you scared of ANC . You don't even care about your own people . It is disgusting how so many people have to live in the conditions they are in . So give us a debate and let's see what happens .

  • hitting.thefan - 2012-11-14 20:25

    This is not about humouring but rather about the due process that should take place. The President and ANC are flouting the rules as they see fit. A blatant disregard as to what should happen as to the process. This is not about right but just by using the majority in the house they are acting outside the framework. All opposition should at any chance take the ANC to court and prove there disregard for the law so that maybe there supporters will one day realise there arrogance that is based on ego and not the believe in righteousness.

      godfrey.welman - 2012-11-14 20:47

      I agree with you, unfortunately most ANC supporters believes what the ANC tells them, like DA will bring aparthein back (see hezekiel comment above)The ability to think escaped most.

  • Don.Tandy - 2012-11-14 20:27

    Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way you can understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic Main Daily Newspaper Editorial. Someone over there has it figured out. "The danger to South Africa is not Jacob Zuma but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a Zuma presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Zuma, who is a mere symptom of what ails South Africa. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Jacob Zuma, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President.”

  • karel.dutoit.50 - 2012-11-14 20:27

    Ofcourse the anc will block this. their too comfortable on the gravy train. and their leader is so focused on filling his pockets before he is kicked out. The anc ministers will lose too much if ignorant zooma is kicked out.

  • Erna - 2012-11-14 20:31

    Frivolous and without fact - is that really the best they can come up with? They are so arrogant. Hopefully the fall will come very soon.

  • alf.pop - 2012-11-14 20:36

    LutherKingsley: That is what happens in democracies, but South Africa is far from it! Where and how would Zipper steal and fill his pockets - with his travelling Zuma wrestling circus?

  • maphumulo.m - 2012-11-14 20:45

    Not all citizens of SA can have a say in Parliament, but come election, you guys will definitely feel the "motion of no confidence"..

      Erna - 2012-11-14 21:37

      I hope you're right.

  • fanie.essgee - 2012-11-14 20:46

    About time he is useless, what am i saying, the lot of them are useless...

  • john.s.stalwart - 2012-11-14 20:51

    I wish Zille and company were so opposed to the ruling party during Mbeki's time,she should have been shown her place right away but pity Sir Zuma hath not any leg to stand on as to silence the opposition,he only trust the amptuated leg of the unstable majority,self serving crooks whose criminal activities wounded their moral legs to the core,i pity them. Y show the enemy ur weakneses nd xpect to stil be dominant over them? Only if Mr Zuma has conducted his life as a fine gentleman he would nt be in dat position,he's the very destructive device of his own life,those ppl rnt necesarily oposin him bcos they hate him,they just curious to c what a destructive weapon he is to his own self,dnt u care to detonate already Mr Zuma?

  • wendy.schneider3 - 2012-11-14 20:55

    sars to block anc from tax payer piggy bank!

  • john.s.stalwart - 2012-11-14 21:01

    Why was the opposition so quiet at Mbeki's reign,what is so missing in Zuma that he can be so opposed? I mean even his party want him out and he's barely four years in office. Someone is using the man's weak points to outst him completely,i pity him.

      Erna - 2012-11-14 21:31

      The man knows exactly what he is doing. There's no need to pity him. The difference between zuma and Mbeki is that the former is morally bankrupt, both in his personal life, finances and as president. The fact that Mbeki has some presence already gives him the edge over zuma. Motlanthe also has more presence. And seeing that it actually makes no difference to SAfricans who the president is, I'd prefer Motlanthe.

  • Bruce - 2012-11-14 21:04

    Remove the useless mr can't my zipper closed showerhead..

  • mzuvumile.g.mnqanqeni - 2012-11-14 21:06

    This president need to be removed as quickly as possible before ANC lose it's credibility. I am member of the ANC but we lost direction under this regime. The z quickly moving to dogs at alarming speed someone need to come to the rescue before the movement OR is lost to hyenas.

      Ubabamkhulu - 2012-11-15 11:32

      "A man who has committed a mistake and doesn't correct it is committing another mistake."

  • melusi.myaluza - 2012-11-14 21:13

    Keep on dreaming people,the president of the republic of south africa is here to stay whether u like it or not,love him or hate him he ain't going nowhere.......no amount of motions from dead snakes in parliament will remove him,so please get used to that very sad reality and a fact!!!!!

      rontheogre - 2012-11-14 22:00

      Melusi, then ready yourself for a very long, poor and hungry ride. If it takes a group of dead snakes to get Zuma off his money grubbing, self serving, nepotistic, autocratic and lying butt, then so be it, because the live snakes are too complacent and caught up in racist rhetoric to do something. They think that getting a government grant of a few hundred rand, sitting on their butts while Zuma and Co are living it up is better than having a job paying ten times more while building a future for themselves and their children. They would rather wait years for the handout of a 40 square meter government house that they pay nothing for than creating an opportunity for themselves, thus empowering them to buy or build a much bigger house and future. No, they will keep on voting for the pittance they get for a handout than a future with big opportunities.

      melusi.myaluza - 2012-11-14 22:16

      People it pains me to see the self righteous fools like yourselves dreaming of a never going to happen revolution,if am idiot,it's fine,at least am not fooling myself,I know the truth,Zuma ain't going nowhere,sad,but true,if u don't believe me then am afraid u the idiot,or please prove me wrong!

      molomemathews.masia - 2012-11-14 22:38

      Young and old can attest to the down spiralling conduct in the state management/governing ever since Limpopo, not a fortnight will pass-by without a strike going on, it had become a norm_our country is rife with strikes to such an extend that even Government encourage the public to Boycott certain industries like {City-Press

  • Tello Moleko - 2012-11-14 21:29

    i think Mazibuko want president that would run when called by Zille at anytime,i mean someone who cant say no or yes.i like the way Zuma deal with Zille

      Erna - 2012-11-14 21:33

      It's not just with Zille that zuma is indecisive.

      mark.a.fysh - 2012-11-14 22:54

      Voting fodder

  • truthbetold221 - 2012-11-14 21:47

    If the ANC is confident it shouldn't avoid the voting. Just get it over and done with it, but hey they know they'll get over and done with Zuma too.

      bambanani.mdzimba - 2012-11-15 00:15

      what voting,the ANC won the national election remember,and the DA will have a chance to win come 2014,they must stop behaving like old adolescent,seeking attention.

  • dali.mpofu.9 - 2012-11-14 21:51

    Wenhliziyo yami mawuhlakaniphe uma izitha zingigaqile. The opposition seems to be playing the man and not the ball. In most of the stories that they have raised there are institutions dealing with those matters. Therefore they are putting the card before the horse. Cheap politiking and boring indeed.

      Touchy More - 2012-11-14 23:32

      so u adv Dali Mpofu?

  • sandile.ndlovu.9843 - 2012-11-14 21:53

    Motion or no motion come mangaung confrence he will be out.He promised us rural development bt the only development we see its His compound and Nkandla are what about Nqutu,qhudeni,babanango'danhausser,msinga,nongoma,ulundi,pongola' may God help Kzn delegates to choose Mr Kgalema Monthlante we are sick and tired this corrupt dectactor Zuma and his friends what is the name of rural development if any exist

      collen.mohale.58 - 2012-11-14 22:52

      My fellow comrade, please ask Muyexe VILLAGE just 450km from Jozi, or visit the area to see real rural development, also try to volunteer in your local village imbizos to understand what rural development meants.

  • edwin.morena.3 - 2012-11-14 22:02

    Base solely on spurious allegations!! Really! Really! Come on Mr Chief Whip! Stop fooling urself.

  • flysouth - 2012-11-14 22:05

    Once again we see the ANC flouting the highest law of the land. Wherever a person's loyalties may lie this is entirely unacceptable and is a warning of worse, much worse, to come.

  • sandile.ndlovu.9843 - 2012-11-14 22:10

    We shall follow the sun we shall follow the light we shall follow Mr Kgalema Monthlante for life Economic freedom in our life time with Gods will we will be victorise

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-11-15 00:40

      First learn the correct use of English.

  • dali.mpofu.9 - 2012-11-14 22:33

    The opposition (minority) want a vote and ANC (majority) unanomimously in their caucuss agreed there should be no vote on this matter. Is not this democracy at its best? In meeting procedures, you will have movers and seconders for a motion as well as movers and seconders against the motion, if the majority is with the movers/seconders for the motion then it can stand to be debated or put to a vote. Hovewer, if the majority is against the motion to be debated or put on vote, it will be undemocratic to force it down their throats.

  • christognusbigboy.mngadi - 2012-11-14 22:33

    Mayahlanya they must wait next election where as ANC will once again crush them to zero where they belong >Sorry tea girl try other one not ANC

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-11-15 00:40

      Dream on little boy...dream on!!!

  • collen.mohale.58 - 2012-11-14 22:42

    I don't believe the opposition parties'motives, South Africa is a shining example in Africa and the world, if u abuse your roles in the society as MPs left or right, we are watching you, ppl need clean drinking water and other basic services, what can you oppose in my calls as our rural areas in South Africa needed serious MPs willing to support those with comrade JZ to bring excellence in service delivery, not just cheap publicity. I am aware that a break-away party is busy assembling itself those who ignore the mirror and wind of change against themselves. I further repeat we give JZ 2nd-term you like it or not. If u cannot beat us join us, or start enrolling for damage control courses.

  • collen.mohale.58 - 2012-11-14 22:45

    ANC is authocratic or authority you can call us names but we are coming back from Mangaung 2012's 53rd Conference as a renewed party of the Africa South whith full democratic reasons to govern, visit Freedom charter for reminders.

      tw2066 - 2012-11-14 23:12

      Lets hope THAT new ANC does away with RACISM, ;ets hope you dump BBBEE, lets hope your ANC decides not to KILL citizens, not to bulldoze houses. not to bully us into toll taxation, not to waste our money on PLANR trips, on BUNKERS for presidents, not to BAN WINE purchases that create jobs, not to RENAME places but rather build infrastructure, not to create MEADIA silence but encourage freedom of information, not to provide crony jobs but employ on merit, not to make excuses for crime but to employ REAL police to end it .... need I go on? I doubt the ANC will ever ADD VALUE.

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-11-15 00:42

      Yep Collen...that will mean a new bunch of piggies with their snouts in the trough!!!!

  • andrew.mackie.90 - 2012-11-15 09:12

    Well naturally the gravy train members will block this motion as it will put their luxury lifestyles at risk. In recent polls many citizens have expressed their disatisfaction with the President, the question of no confidence should be put to a wider range of the population and let us see what the nation has to state?

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-11-15 09:40

    These fools that are protecting Zuma are only supporting the man and not the ANC. If they were loyal to the ANC they would allow a secret vote and go from their. If Zuma is voted out, it will be from loyal ANC members. What do they owe Zuma, who says they owe Zuma a vote of confidence, its a secret vote, once Zuma is gone what can he do, go to his compound and bury himself in his bunker. Its time for the ANC to make up their minds now, support the organization that they fought so hard for or to support a leaderless corrupt man who will destroy along with them everything that the ANC stood for. Are they going to join Zuma when the gates of hell open wide or are they going to leave him to walk through the gate by himself. They have a chance and no better chance than right now. Can they do the right things or have their souls rotted to a point of decay. Listen to the people, Zuma's time is up. He can walk away while he still has feet, or he can stay and you will wish he walked because he feet will stink from the rot.

      Ubabamkhulu - 2012-11-15 11:38

      "The perfecting of one's self is the fundamental base of all progress and all moral development."

  • Ubabamkhulu - 2012-11-15 11:36

    ANC, this is your problem: "By three methods we may learn wisdom: first, by reflection, which is noblest; second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third, by experience, which is the most bitter.” Confucius Bitter, bitter, it must be for the ANC to hear and see all these comments every day. BITTER

  • glen.wellerblaber - 2012-11-15 12:01

    Why would they want to block this no confidence of motion ?? SKELETONS thats why !!Look at this nkandla 200mil estate and that's for one idiot that destroys our country !!Millions of poor people are living in shacks ,without elec, running water etc .How many RDP houses can be built for 200mil ? It is a shame even bihop tutu said the anc is worst than the apartheid goverment !!

  • banyana.mokgosi.3 - 2012-11-16 11:00

    clearly this country is becoming a mess. and this worries alot of us. people overlooked all past elegations about Zuma and now it is time for South africa to make a choice on whether or not they still want to keep a "president" who spends OUR hard earned money on his squard of wives and upgrading his home. this is unacceptable and he needs to be out the door.

      dagadamc - 2012-11-19 06:32

      You really disappoint us, so at last you do believe all lies painted by DA and newspaper. Wait for the truth, we have it but not willing to make noise on media. So you dont know the scheme here? Yu dont know gvt money only built the fence and guard quarters. You dont know all previous presidents homes were built by state? Do we really have to succumb to propaganda? And insults our elders who fought that we can speak freely so. They might not be so perfect but they are not as bad they are painted. Let us be careful, that is we asking.

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