ANC wants to 'engage' with Desmond Tutu

2011-10-07 08:07

Johannesburg - The ruling party was planning to "engage" with Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu after his angry attack on the ANC this week, according to a report on Friday.

The ANC would "find the time and space to meet Tutu and engage him about the issues surrounding the visa debacle and his comments", said Lindiwe Zulu, who is President Jacob Zuma's special adviser on international relations.

She was quoted in the Mail & Guardian as saying: "We want to find out from him if this is about the Dalai Lama or something much more than this."

President Jacob Zuma and Cabinet ministers were hurt and "disturbed" by Tutu's comments, she said, and the ANC found it "unacceptable that he could equate this government to the apartheid regime, which was racist, oppressive and committed crimes against humanity".

Visa not denied

Zulu insisted that "not once did the government ever say we are not issuing the visa".

"The government has a right to process visas and raise questions if there are issues with the application.

"But, I repeat, we never said we are not giving the Dalai Lama the visa."

Earlier this week, Tutu said he would pray for the downfall of the ANC.

This was after the Tibetan spiritual leader cancelled a planned trip to South Africa to attend Tutu's 80th birthday celebrations, because he had received no word about his visa application.

  • Slapper - 2011-10-07 08:10

    The ANC desperately want to shut Desmond up. He is pointing out that the Emperors have no clothes.

      Slartibartfast - 2011-10-07 08:19

      AS IF WE HAVE FLIPPEN TIME FOR THIS ANC!!! Look after you poor ... your over-taxed ... your hungry!! DON'T waste time trying to fix that which you have now BROKEN through stupidity!! Maaifoedies!!!

      Bla Bla - 2011-10-07 08:21

      Touch …….pause……… engage ANC illegal binding…… penalty for Justice

      GetitRight - 2011-10-07 08:21

      Definitely just maaifoedie talk....Yes!..its more than just the Dalai Lama...its about the Corruption and the Way the Country is been governed.

      BlackWhite - 2011-10-07 08:23

      it is because he is being drammatic... he has something against President Zuma and the current ANC..

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-10-07 08:24

      "................and the ANC found it "unacceptable that he could equate this government to the apartheid regime, which was racist, oppressive and committed crimes against humanity". ...." TELL US IT IS ANY DIFFERENT???? The current ANC Govt are the CHINESE's WHORES... What the CHINESE TELL THEM.... they DO WITHOUT QUESTIONS!!!!!!!! Current ANC Govt ARE the PUPPETS the CHINESE PUT IN PLACE, when Jacob Zuma took office!

      John Right - 2011-10-07 08:29

      Maifoedies klim die berg so hastig en so lastig, maaifoedies klim die berg om die boere te vererg ... The ANC don't want peace. They want tyranny and genocide. They will never want peace because while the country is killing each other over food and basic needs they can keep on stealing from the country. Maaifoedies... Criminals

      cliffarc - 2011-10-07 08:29

      - First the Anc have to engage their brains - if they have any. All they could possibly do is explain to Tutu that their Chinese bosses were responsible for the decision

      Rolie - 2011-10-07 08:33

      Bunch of suck ups! Don't change your stance Desmond - they deliberately delayed giving an answer on the visa. By not commenting on it they said enough. Bloody maaifoedies!!!

      The Wonderer - 2011-10-07 08:38

      "We want to find out from him if this is about the Dalai Lama or something much more than this." That Zulu isn't too clever for a "special adviser" on international relations "not once did the government ever say we are not issuing the visa". THAT'S the very problem Zulu, the "government NEVER said anything!!!

      King Msendi - 2011-10-07 08:44

      ANC must leave the confused archbishop to entertain his former oppressors and focus on important issues. He can't even uphold Christian values he claims to represent. How can such a respected Christian claim that he will pray for the downfall of other people only because his friend cancelled the trip? I always told myself that we are worshipping the same Christ who preached the word of forgiveness under difficult circumstances…

      Cliff - 2011-10-07 08:47

      1000% correct!Well said Slapper!

      Johnny-BB - 2011-10-07 09:10

      Dear God, ...please save this country from the corrupt and incompetent ANC. ...Amen.

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-07 09:13

      Can someone explain what a Maaifoedie is? Never seen that one before. I fear I know the answer already though... Anwyay, why is the ANC acting so fearful and wishing to engage with Tutu all of a sudden? It's not like the ANC respects, let alone practices Christianity? (mind you, neither does Tutu - very apostate)

      DW - 2011-10-07 09:36

      @ matt - see this link

      mario88 - 2011-10-07 09:38

      @ King Msendi. Oh my King, My rat King! Why don't you burry youself with your party.

      LostEuropean - 2011-10-07 09:40

      @Matt: There's an article on News24 regarding the term 'maaifoedie', where Max Du Preez tweeted that the ANC are a bunch of 'maaifoedies', or something to that effect. It basically is an Afrikaans bastardisation of the Yank term 'motherf*cker', so yeah, I guess you already had that in mind :-)

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-07 09:46

      @ DW - thanks, I know now @ Saffa Cat - based on Tutu's own words, he is indeed apostate and plenty others can point that out as well. He says that people who do good things will go to heaven, DL included. He doesn't believe in the literal resurrection. Now, if he wants to believe all of this as a non-Christian, that's one thing - but to be the head of a church which professes Christianity and then have blatant anti-Scriptural, anti-Christian views - that, my bud, makes him apostate. Nothing to do with hatred at all. BTW, just a life lesson for you in general - if you love somebody but they're doing something bad or wrong, do you show your love by rebuking them so they can possibly learn and improve, or do you just keep quiet and let them do it because they want to and watch them suffer?

      THE-SRG - 2011-10-07 09:49

      "But, I repeat, we never said we are not giving the Dalai Lama the visa.".....ja,you never said you would either,a classic case of just sitting and waiting for it to go away on its own...bloody Maaifoedies!!! Further more..."she said, and the ANC found it "unacceptable that he could equate this government to the apartheid regime".....why,its exactly the same,just tured the other way round now

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-07 10:02

      @ Saffa-Cat. I don't have an altar, just a Bible - try reading it one day. I don't "know it all" but 6 years of studying it has helped somewhat. Seeing how Tutu says he's Christian, and you have a problem with the idea that he may be wrong about something vital; make my day bud. Show me from the Bible, seeing how he also apparently reads it and is responsible for helping large congregations understand it, where it says that you can follow any god you want but still get to Heaven for being a good boy. That's all I ask. If you can do this, I'll be the first to break down and admit I'm wrong. And I see your angle - highlighting apostasy does not amount to hatred. I've never claimed to hate Tutu and I don't. Not that it matters much, but even Joy magazine highlighted Tutu's apostasy 4 years back with the points I made. If even Joy Magazine can see it, strange that you can't. Have a good weekend too!

      Et.1 - 2011-10-07 10:23

      @ BlackWhite. Everybody has something against the ANC accept you crazy mofo's. ANC want's to safe face. I'm also praying for their downfall.

      Wired - 2011-10-07 10:29

      I say, they should engage Desmond, but in a public and Live show.. A debate so that Desmond can tell them what he thinks of them and there is no discussions behind closed doors with intimidation..

  • jen - 2011-10-07 08:12

    They should make a public statement - for the world to see. Read some of the comments of foreigners on this matter. From shock to disbelief and horror.

  • Richard - 2011-10-07 08:14

    Engage all you want. Too late, the damage has been done.

      Van-Der-Moodley - 2011-10-07 08:45

      For sure it's too late for an engagement with these kleptomania maaifoedies called one commentator said ANC = Africans Nationalising Corruption.

  • RVQ - 2011-10-07 08:14

    "But, I repeat, we never said we are not giving the Dalai Lama the visa." But they didn't! No, I didn't lie, I just didn't tell the truth - Duh!

      BlackWhite - 2011-10-07 08:22

      @they could not because he cancelled the application. why are you so stupid?

      Sven - 2011-10-07 08:28

      @BlackWhite, he did not cancel his application, just his trip to SA. Nowhere in the statement issued by his spokesman was there anything about cancelling his visa application. The CancER was not going to issue it and the Lama, decided to give them a way out of the situation, the CancER did not take it and stuffed up as usual in their weak explanations of why it was not issued.

      Big Lowie - 2011-10-07 08:37

      Blackwhite you are an idiot. Obviously if 2 days before an event you still have no clarity on a visa you would cancel unless as in your case you were oblivious to someone else paying and would just throw the money away.

  • Pixie1984 - 2011-10-07 08:15

    I think the ANC should become a little bit more thick-skinned in regards to comments about them and take it as constructive criticism. They are thick-skinned about everything else..

      Wade Mackintosh - 2011-10-07 08:28

      @farmworker - show some respect! not everyone (ie ANCYL & your ilk) need to resort to violence to get heard.

      BlackWhite - 2011-10-07 08:29

      this is not constructive criticism... he was making nusty comments which he knows are not true... in SA today we have opportunities nobody thought we could have... people fought against apartheid and defeated it... this government is doing so much for the people of this country... what is true about this government that Tutu said???? None... he just has something against Pres Zuma... You have to be a fool not to see that...

      RVQ - 2011-10-07 08:29

      @farmworker, it's people like you that would rather have your children slaughtered in WAR then saved with PEACE! Then you wonder why the world is the way it is

      leonard - 2011-10-07 08:30

      @Pixie.....I think you have been too gentle on Zuma and his henchmen.World condemnation of their actions,the same at local level.They are in effect BRAIN DEAD.WHat is there to engage about?They have lied about this saga from start to finish.My advice to Zuma,learn the chinese for "YES BAAS"

      RVQ - 2011-10-07 08:37

      @BlackWhite, do you know how much more can be done? Even your own leaders claim there to be corrupt individuals involved in cash in transit heists etc. Sadly you are happy with the little bit of scraps thrown your way, while your government sells your country to the Chinese. Soon your children will have to pay the Chinese rent.

      CaptainK - 2011-10-07 08:38

      @farmworker...and that is why you and your kind will stay farmworkers, for you aim not to improve your lot! Turn your palms down for change and start working towards a better future for yourself, besides if you are waiting for Mal-Enema to come and fix things for you, think again!

      Jacques Jones - 2011-10-07 08:40

      @farmworker stop listening to what cele says and read your history tutu was a major contributer to the downfall of apartheid. i will not expect you to believe me but that if you have any self control over what goes on in your head go do a bit of research and then come and have a constructive conversation.

      Slartibartfast - 2011-10-07 08:45

      Oh dear ... BlackAndWhite ... Farmworker? Can't you see the stupidity in your own arguments? Really? Ok then ... why don't you sit down and keep quiet as children should ... and let the adults teach you. You see ... it began a LONG time ago in a land not so far away. Some people payed tax ... others stole it. It is called corruption ... you know ... like asking a state run enterprise, funded by the tax payer, to pay for the ANC's birthday party?

      Big Lowie - 2011-10-07 08:50

      black white go back to where you came from. all i can summise from your pathetic statements is that you must be enjoying the "riches" of our corrupt society. Have respect for history and what that man has done for you. If i am right freedom of speech is tantamount to development. you are a tosser and your nickname get a life its not black and white its everyone

      RVQ - 2011-10-07 08:56

      @farmworker, Madiba respects Tutu, who are you to challenge that?

      Kenno - 2011-10-07 09:03

      Farmworker Fool...Is there a war going on that none of us know about? Why would there be revolutionaries required??? You have had everything handed to you on a plate and it is STILL not enough! You sad pathetic moron

      Jacques Jones - 2011-10-07 09:03

      @farmworker that is just one of the many many links you can find using google. try searching desmond tutu biography. he was key in having economical sanctions implemented against a racist apartheid goverment. i doubt if you did anything of the like because the chances are you were born post apartheid hences your whole attitude regarding the subject.

      Mandy - 2011-10-07 09:19

      comment for BlackWhite - you are a typical mindless ANC idiot supporter - you are a waste of air !

      Richard Hipkin - 2011-10-07 10:06

      @blackwhite, we don't really care much for what you say either, they merely lack any intelligence. You simply shoot from the hip trying your damndest to get a reaction.. you lack the ability to think for yourself.

      Zodwa - 2011-10-07 11:06

      @Jacques Jones don't worry about this pathetic farmworker character. He knows nothing about Bishop Tutu's efforts in the eradication of racial inequality in SA. He is probably the same age as Jusialse Malema i.e born after the eighties. Those kids know nothing about the struggle. I imagine he is a fat lazy big boy sitting behind the keyboard spewing rubbish. His father is a member of parliament driving a luxurious German car. @ farmworder Did you pass your Woodwork? LOL...

  • Prof - 2011-10-07 08:17

    Should we pray for the ANC to kick out all corrupt officials rather than the downfall of the whole organization that produced icons like Madiba???

      Pixie1984 - 2011-10-07 08:20

      good idea

      Tolerant - 2011-10-07 08:35

      The ANC of today has zero respect for Madiba. Madiba invited the D Lama to us in 2009, also did not get a visa that time. So yes, we should start praying for the downfall of the ANC.

      MojoBa - 2011-10-07 08:38

      Absolutely!!!!!!! Which just goes back to my point that, nobody is against the government being ANC or black, we just want a government that is working for all South Africans.

      Totman - 2011-10-07 08:40

      I think so Prof. The roots are infected. There are wonderful people that will come better to their right by working somewhere else than having that "anchor" pulling them down.

      Ellie - 2011-10-07 09:07

      Prof over the years there is so much corruption by the time the party is purged there may be no one left! So this may be a good thought though how would you action this. What the party needs to do is an audit of their members and then they may get an undertsanding of what the public is dissapointed about. The future will tell but for now my vote alas will not go to this party unless they come up with some foundational cleansing!

      KluLess - 2011-10-07 09:56

      I don't know Prof, perhaps it's more a case of that Madiba made the ANC, and not the other way around.

  • Blip - 2011-10-07 08:17

    Will the ANC crouch, touch and pause first?

      MojoBa - 2011-10-07 08:39

      The ANC is the hooker and China is the number 8 coming in from behind:-)

  • BnQE - 2011-10-07 08:18

    Disciplinary Hearing - HeHee

  • LLEWELLYN - 2011-10-07 08:20

    They F'ed up now they want to push the SH1T on someone else that is the ANC way.

  • Colin - 2011-10-07 08:21

    And the rubicon was crossed..

  • Darwinian - 2011-10-07 08:21

    cANCer of the soul....

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-07 08:42

      SA needs chemotherapy fast to destroy the cANCer

      Darwinian - 2011-10-07 08:45

      good one! :)

  • Born To Fish - 2011-10-07 08:21

    Wake up Communists! Do you think we are stupid?

  • crocoros - 2011-10-07 08:23

    Zulu, the damage has been done. If someone shoots you, will the hole where the bullet entered not be there forever? It is exactly the same with the Dalai Lama debacle. It's done and nothing can change it, whats done is done. Yes, we have become exactly what the old apartheid regime has become maybe a little worse. Please you can not now want to bully and 80 old man because he has practiced his right to "FREEDOM OF SPEECH"

  • Dave - 2011-10-07 08:24

    Foot in mouth disease is becoming a pandemic

  • Liberated - 2011-10-07 08:26

    Tutu has lost it.

      MojoBa - 2011-10-07 08:43

      Maybe more ANC supporters should lose it. Then we can start fresh.

      CaptainK - 2011-10-07 08:48

      Probably... you however, never came close to being found :D And will stay lost if its up to your ANC Maaifoedie tjommies in government! Life is tough indeed...especially when you are stupid!

      OuWitBooi - 2011-10-07 09:03

      Liberated from the constraints of logic and common sense

      OuWitBooi - 2011-10-07 09:03

      Liberated from the constraints of logic and common sense

      Winsome - 2011-10-07 09:36

      All he has lost is his respect for the ANC! He has always been a truthful man and speaks his mind without fear - as it should be in a "democracy".

      Ralph2 - 2011-10-07 09:44

      Exactly opposite! He has discovered the truth about the ANC - not people tobe trusted.

  • Ohmikehunt - 2011-10-07 08:26

    "But, I repeat, we never said we are not giving the Dalai Lama the visa." Neither did they "ever once" say that they would give him a visa or would consider the application favourably. It's quite puerile to use what was NOT said as justification that there was no hidden agenda. Anyhow, speaking with the Arch will fulfil no purpose at all. The Arch must leave the government to do what they have to do to run the country - including enacting foreign policy (it's their mandate). In turn the government must leave the Arch to do what he must do - including praying for whoever and whatever he feels called to pray for. Happy birthday Arch :-)

  • Cameron Briceland - 2011-10-07 08:26

    Typical ANC government...they talk in negative negative's..Say what you mean you stupid, thieving, Robben Island scum.

  • spiral - 2011-10-07 08:27

    This has got nothing to do with not granting the visa... its got to do with why it took so long for them to do bloody anything! Jump into bed with the chinese & we'll land up in their pockets, which seems to be the case. If the Dalai Lama had no connection to Tibet (who we all know that the chinese hate) then the visa wouldnt have been a problem. Now obviously they're trying to disguise it as something other than a ploy just to keep the chinese happy.

  • logical007 - 2011-10-07 08:27

    The anc manifesto - lie, lie and deny

      gekko - 2011-10-07 09:56

      and steal.

  • Celt - 2011-10-07 08:27

    Why does the government not "engage" with the people of SA and offer an intelligent explanation to their reasoning behind this debacle People have short memoroes so from now to the next election ALL voters should maintain a personal "government appraisal" spreadsheet with two columns one for "The Good" and one for "The Bad" ( same as the one you have at work!!) Update the spreadsheet every week. On the morning of election day spend a bit of time reflecting on your spreadsheet and then go cast your vote. This week alone you would have multiple entries on your spread sheet, Visa for the Dali Lama, priest stealing uncontrolled/unaudited funds given to him by the government, Mandela's grandson walking out of court with a slap on the wrist for breaking the law, billions of rands "missing" from the dept of public works, houses falling apart, malema doing a sheik etc etc. I bet you will vote for your second option. All the talk in the world will not sort out governments incompetence - IT MUST BE SORTED OUT BY THE BALLOT BOX

  • Mavido - 2011-10-07 08:28

    This is more than the Dalai lama guy, the ANC is slowly but surely encroaching on the very rights South Africans fought for, look at the secrecy bill, the Bishops right of association ,etc check around and you will see, this is how the likes of Mugabes started in most african state

  • makana shandukani - 2011-10-07 08:30

    "oppressive and committed crimes against humanity" this not oppression? ...let Tutu speak he fought for this democracy...and he also wants a piece of cake

  • SabaticalG - 2011-10-07 08:31

    which was racist, oppressive and committed crimes against humanity.... well thats exactly what the F&%#$ing ANC is!!!

  • CaptainK - 2011-10-07 08:34

    Ag relax tog julle donnerse Maaifoedies! You would have had some credibility if you put up the same fuss over people singing "shoot the boer"... but the ANC is the most useless bunch of idiots to ever have been put in charge of a country!

  • KG - 2011-10-07 08:34

    This ANC cabinet is playing TUTU and everyone else a fool. How do they expect us to believe such lies??? They knew long in september the guy applied for a visa. So why such lies & surprise? They should stop such nonsese of lying to us. We were not born yesterday that's the message the should have. We still say thier days in Government are numbered truly.

      RACINGCAT - 2011-10-07 09:15

      It is African culture to lie...

      croix - 2011-10-07 11:05

      Their Chinese masters took a bit too long to consent to the DL's visit. The DL lives in rural India - so he had to cancel his trip, as he could not even remotely have been here on time at such short notice. Plain and simple bowing to Chinese pressure.

  • semaj - 2011-10-07 08:35

    When it comes to plausible explanation, prevarication is the easiest way out. Get one thing straight, we are not idiots and can see further than our fat noses. I wonder if I have ever heard a government spokesperson who is not prone to lying. Prime examples, that Clayson interview on 702, and now the Zulu job.

  • ndosithemba - 2011-10-07 08:36

    Happy birthday Bishop Tutu may u c many more , enjoy the rest of the day I wish your birthday b feel with joy , happiness and laughter.

  • arthur.amgen - 2011-10-07 08:36

    Tutu the ANC want to explain the facts of life about bribery and corruption. China will always need SA resources irrespective of who or what our government does. The ANC will always need money and are charging for there services rendered like prostitutes.

  • - 2011-10-07 08:36

    Well the saying goes " The truth always hurts" Does JZ and his cabinet not think how the rest of us South Africans feel. Maybe the power they wield has just gone too far and they feel they can do as they please and not be critizised.

  • nic - 2011-10-07 08:38

    How about engaging with the Dalai Lama you lying bunch of spineless Chinese puppets???

      Celt - 2011-10-07 08:41

      @Nic puppet masters - they pull the strings

  • 2shy2call - 2011-10-07 08:39

    Why are you people making a noise like empty tins? Why don't yourselves invite Dalai Lama for your own birthday celebrations. This invite is private and personal. Ask the deputy Jesus (TUTU) if you can attend for Dalai Lama. Zuma is not ANC, the people are ANC. Deal with it.

      GetitRight - 2011-10-07 08:42

      Eisssh!...Said like a true maaifoedie.

      EnglishBoer - 2011-10-07 08:48

      What a maaifoedie.

      RACINGCAT - 2011-10-07 09:43

      Maaifoedie is here to stay.

  • Willyza - 2011-10-07 08:39

    WHY, because he spoke the TRUTH.......

  • Jaded - 2011-10-07 08:42

    See if there's something more bothering him? You think? Maybe the fact that what Tutu and his ilk fought for, for all those years (peace, democracy, freedom) has been turned into an international joke at the hands of our current government. The fact that corruption is the order of the day. The fact that they are best friends with the most evil, sadistic, vile rulers in out time (and most of the other dictators). The fact that lies are the only "truth" that our government seems to understand. Should I go on? Yes, I think there's more to it than simply not allowing THE biggest peace activist in the world into our country. But the awesome thing is that the Arch will not be bribed into silence. Zuma and co have nothing to hold over his head to pimp him with. Go, Arch, go! Don't be silenced! YOU are the voice of the people! NOT THE GOVERNMENT! Make yourself heard! We support you all the way!! Tutu for president!!!! Happy Earthday, beloved Arch!!!

  • kilo39 - 2011-10-07 08:43

    Zulu said that the anc thinks it is "unacceptable that he could equate this government to the apartheid regime, which was racist, oppressive and committed crimes against humanity". All I say is that ' none are so blind as those who WILL NOT see !' These turkeys are labouring under the misapprehension that they are doing a good job governing this country when in fact 'lack of governance' is the order of the day. Has any other country in the world had so many investigations, commissions, enquiries, failed presidential appointees, all going on at the same time. The answer must be an emphatic NO! Take a long hard look in the mirror anc, we will not be oppressed by those we oppressed, it will not work that way because millions of free thinking black africans agree with us. Just admit you don't have a solution to the challenge of multitudes of unskilled unemployable people between the ages of 20 and 40, and realise that by promising them something you have no hope in hell of delivering, that you are merely delaying the inevitable. They stand in queues with hands outstretched awaiting your deliverance of economic freedom, whilst in their hearts there is absolutely no desire to earn that freedom. And you are setting the example...they see what you have for doing nothing and aspire to the same reward.

  • theprodigy - 2011-10-07 08:43

    they want to shut him up, worse than Apartheid govt....

  • GypseyAnn - 2011-10-07 08:45

    Spell it out clearly Archbishop Tutu - do not let them intimidate you ever!

  • Crazy1 - 2011-10-07 08:45

    DC for the Arch..

  • EyeAmMyOwn - 2011-10-07 08:45

    LOL this Maaifoedies thing ... Damn Max you've equipped us with something that really cuts through their armour! could cause some type of 'civil' dispute? all I want for Christmas this year is a new government party. I'll gladly take a shirt that says 'Nationalisation is for Maaifoedies' though

  • Sonja - 2011-10-07 08:46

    Touch...pause....ENGAGE!! :)

  • Ockert - 2011-10-07 08:47

    Engage him , engage him (stupid anc termanology) hah , hah, hah - bunch of aholes, you had not intention all along (to give a visum) or delay the whole process as long as possible, not that I in any way support or tutu , but you guys are the pits and you could have given the old man his wish.

  • Darwinian - 2011-10-07 08:47

    Shoot the Maaifoedies, They are rapists! I'm not singing, I'm chanting...

  • Mike - 2011-10-07 08:48

    Eish, difficult question , who do I sleep with and who do I screw ?

  • johan fourie - 2011-10-07 08:48

    "But, I repeat, we never said we are not giving the Dalai Lama the visa." Well you chose to not say anything and hopefully this would go away. President Jacob Zuma and Cabinet ministers were hurt and "disturbed" by Tutu's comments" The truth have this effect. The ANC is a bunch of "maaifoedies"

  • Jon JJ - 2011-10-07 08:49

    I hope Tutu tells them to fk off....what's there to "engage" about? It's a fking visa application - for goodness sakes!!

  • ariete - 2011-10-07 08:49

    And what about engaging with the rest of us?

  • Slicebones - 2011-10-07 08:49

    Whites still hates blacks come to news24 u will c

      EnglishBoer - 2011-10-07 08:50

      Blacks still murder,rape and rob whites...every day. Read the news you will see.

      WarDog - 2011-10-07 08:59

      Fear Slicebones. Fear is the word you are looking for. Whites fear blacks and with good reason.

      redeye - 2011-10-07 09:38

      Whites don't hate blacks they just hate corruption and lazy leadership!!!!!

  • Daemos1 - 2011-10-07 08:49

    Maaifoedie move right there...uh-huh

      GetitRight - 2011-10-07 08:56


  • SeriouslyNow - 2011-10-07 08:53

    Pathetic! The point is that they never responded to the application. That is worse than saying Yes or No. They should have grown a pair and made a decision. To claim that "not once did the government ever say we are not issuing the visa" is just proving the childish thinking - If we do not address it, it will just go away.

  • Mike - 2011-10-07 08:54

    Zulu insisted that "not once did the government ever say we are not issuing the visa". Quite correct, however a forked tongue, by which the ANC speaks, has two points: That which it says and that which it does.

  • WarDog - 2011-10-07 08:54

    WOW the ANC would actually “make time” for Tutu. He must feel honored since the ANC is the gateway to heaven. They must be desperate to “save his soul”.