ANCYL accused of making whites the enemy

2012-10-18 22:46

Johannesburg - The ANCYL was making white people the enemy, Afriforum Youth said on Thursday following the league's criticism of former JSE CEO Russell Loubser.

"The ANCYL is defending their own extremism by making white people the enemy, whilst poverty is supposed to be the enemy," chairperson Charl Oberholzer said in a statement.

"The ANCYL is constantly busy with wayward arguments about the economy, while hatred, racism and intimidation are the only methods that the ANCYL can use."

Loubser on Wednesday asked why no leaders were guiding African National Congress Youth League members.

"Today's ANC Youth League is not the ANC Youth League of Nelson Mandela, Walter Sisulu, Govan Mbeki, Oliver Tambo and the like," he told students at the University of the Witwatersrand, in Johannesburg.

"The ANC Youth League... today is a disgrace and embarrassment."

It was "a destroyer of confidence".

"You won't hear one idea from the ANC Youth League on how to create wealth, value, but you will hear constantly how to redistribute wealth," he said.

The ANCYL replied by remarking that: "Mr Loubser is an uninformed and reckless loudhailer of the interests of white monopoly capital.

"He has... spoken of things he knows nothing of and it astounds the mind that in 2012 the ANCYL would be called upon to account for its views by previously and still advantaged boys of white privilege."

It found Loubser's comment that the call for nationalisation was "brainless talk" an insult.

Oberholzer said Afriforum Youth called on the ANC leadership to step in if they attached any value to South Africa's political stability and did not want to be seen as an embarrassment.

"The conduct and utterances of the ANCYL indicate to the world that the ANC is already radicalised to such an extent that mutual respect has become non-existent."

Suspended ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu said Loubser had taken part in "intellectual hooliganism".

"This representative of white monopoly capital, a racist and intellectual dwarf, chose to throw insults on the leadership of the ANC Youth League without substantially responding to [its] profound and proficient policy positions," Shivambu said in a statement.

  • christelle.james.7 - 2012-10-18 22:57

    Man how long have we been saying this!!! I am so happy somebody in a position of power is prepared to come out and say this. But it is not only the Youth league, it is the ANC too!!! And it is to cover up their own inadequacies!

      phuti.hlabane - 2012-10-19 22:45

      I Wanda how long r u news24 going to realized tht u r handing ANC free elections by criticizing them?

      amanda.victor.92 - 2012-10-20 02:23

      What do you expect from a party of communists? All they know is how to destroy - to take from people who have worked hard and give it to people who sit around and moan all day. Communism has brought only death and destruction wherever it's been implemented so you can just imagine what SA will look like under these guys.

      daniel.machet - 2012-10-20 03:53

      @Phuti... it never pays to address your problems by sticking your head in the sand. Thank goodness our democracy entitles people to talk things through

  • ktheron2 - 2012-10-18 23:03

    Shivambu and his cronies are the REAL intellectual dwarfs and racists, I'm afraid.....

  • elsbeth.verhoeven - 2012-10-18 23:14

    Agh man, it is not worth to comment on the ANCYL. They do not deserve anything. They are rotten youth. They have put themselves in such a bad light. The outside world just shake their heads in disbelief of their stupidity.

  • BulletProof. - 2012-10-19 00:02

    The Ancyl are a bunch of dwarfs brainless individuals without culture and knowledge of world economy they are busy finishing the rest of this country at advise of the communism, because this is the only way that the communism can take power in Africa, this same picture happens in many countries of Africa before.

  • terrence.sileisi - 2012-10-19 00:42

    Hold your horses ladies and gentlemen.. racists comments does NOT serve any purpose_ you're elders guys, why do rhetorically attack each other... this intolerance will never cease,... xem poor fellows

  • bjanks - 2012-10-19 01:52

    Like I've said before so many times, Those who want Nationization and land grabs, go live in Zimbabwe for a few years and come back and tell us you want it! Its selfish greedy people you want a get rich quick scheme but taking it away from the people who worked so hard for it, That's why you will never be successful because you are not prepared to work for it!!! Who is going to feed this nation? YOU! Not a fat chance... You are in it for yourselves while the majority will die of hunger! You want to be like the rest of the ANC, just fat cats you steal so you can be rich.

  • JohncarlosBiza - 2012-10-19 02:12

    Imagine a South Africa where all its leaders are intellectually gifted and morally admirable...are we not capable of producing a few hundred of those?!

  • Malizba Liz Mhlanga - 2012-10-19 02:12

    This land issue is going too far let me tell the truth and shame the devil nobody owns any land this is God's land as it comes from God's earth and everything in it belongs to Him even hell belongs to Him although de devil claims it belongs to him(devil) therefore let's all live together in peace!!!

      dan.ledwaba.5 - 2012-10-19 02:56

      Malizba, Amen! Everything we work hard for is in actual fact just borrowed to us. Proof: What do you take with you when you die? NOTHING - 2012-10-19 11:37

      phillip, according to science, we are all animals, or did you not know that? racist somewhat?

      sxp - 2013-10-15 19:10

      Peace only comes when each man has his own land and each nation its own as well.

  • trevor.lea.92 - 2012-10-19 02:58

    Goto the ANCYL home page and check out their membership form Cant even spell the word 'Suburb' (WTF IS 'SURBUB'!!!) Seriously we have talented people in this country...why do we stoop to lowest common denominator thinking. Tax payers of this country should all go on a TAX strike and starve the ANC pigs.. bring SARS down. Give the funds to NGO's RATHER and educate the youth to ECONOMIC FREEDOM.

      dan.ledwaba.5 - 2012-10-19 03:17

      Sometimes I think ancyl just vomit all their rubbish, just to get attention or for the sake of saying something. The stuff they say makes no sense most of the time. Hollywood must come and listen to these guys for fictional material, nobody in Hollywood is as creative as our ancyl brothers.

      gavin.taylor.79 - 2012-10-20 10:31

      WTF is "VOLUNTARLY" ......LMFAO

  • kseyffert - 2012-10-19 04:22

    The ANC youth league opens it's mouth and proves the point... Brainless twits. Sadly, they do have a large brainless following...

  • Cesley Cooke Olivier - 2012-10-19 04:56 are a wise person!!

  • jwelgemoed - 2012-10-19 05:23

    Are we not supposed to find peace in our society?! Education is the key, but all the progress made in the past 20 years is being broken down by a few who just want to enrich them selves. Look at Malema, talking about poverty but driving around in a R1 mil car..

  • lynne.barker.7 - 2012-10-19 05:31

    That is so true! I want to know why the ANC never does anything about them - they are obviously on their side

      beki.khumalo - 2012-10-19 05:57

      But Lynne, the ANC did something about these hooligans. They suspended them and expelled the kingpin.

  • nav.chan.5 - 2012-10-19 05:41

    Anything to shoot yourselves down! Black, White & Technicolor .... this argument is about silly as the people who bring it up and defend it.

  • thunder.clap.587 - 2012-10-19 05:48

    Talk is cheap

  • Michael - 2012-10-19 05:50

    Why did Shivambu had to comment, who inetrviwed him, these guys have been suspended, whats wrong with south african media, but this guy is very correct, we dont have ANCYL, it is important to start afresh after Mangaung, Lamola and his group of jokers must step down for new leadership with sound mind.

  • beki.khumalo - 2012-10-19 05:54

    \intellectual dwarf\- how the hell do these guys come up with these phrases? Hahahahahahahah! Anyway, in my view both these, ANCYL and Afriforum, are on the same level. Always bickering, no substance at all! Cheap political points by ridiculing the opposition is not substance politics and both parties are guilty. If Afriforum is not insulting taxi drivers and the ANCYL they have no material. If the ANCYL is not insulting Hellen Zille and Afriforum they have no material.

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-10-19 12:52

      Ja they are just making us all look bad!

  • talita.vandermerwe - 2012-10-19 06:07

    @Danie 18- A lot has changed over here in 10 years.

  • Nhlanhla Zondi - 2012-10-19 06:08

    And the media is always interviewing these idiots, that goes to show that the media can do anything to sell paper. My appeal to the media is to stop entertaining these guys cause they are no longer relevant

      khumbulani.khanyile.3 - 2012-10-19 06:17

      the media should stop talking to the ancyl

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-10-19 12:54

      Why don't they organise a proper debate between the two youth parties instead of all this useless name calling? With a couple of big referees because we know its not going to be long before the gloves come off and someone is klapping someone or touching them on their studio... he he!

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  • Jakkals Venter - 2012-10-19 06:18

    Afriform got black members aswell so how the hell can they make the blacks enemy

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-10-19 12:56

      I didn't realise they were affiliated to AWB? Where did you hear that? I hope you are not believing everything people tell you... Next you will say there is no black members in the DA or whites in the ANC!

  • sphala - 2012-10-19 06:19

    Hayi some nation arg maan...they'll embrace and wise you if its suit them, thinking their clever, we get to know you better here on new24, and this kind of acquit must come to end.

  • fabian.houten - 2012-10-19 06:20

    the ancyl's response proved the guy's point lol

  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-10-19 06:21

    Typical responses from brain dead dumb f*ck ANCYL cadres !! What can you expect from idiots who matriculated by failing woodwork !!

  • fairness.iseverything - 2012-10-19 06:22

    On the one side I am pleased knowing that atleast someone is giving the ANCYL something to chew on seeing that the gov cant, but on the other side it concerns me that both mentionable youth leagues in this country has done NOTHING about they keep on preaching about!!! Crime, Violence, Inequality, Poverty. There is no political group that has fulfilled on their promises and therefore they should all go to hell.

  • peter.strydom.37 - 2012-10-19 06:25

    What a fantastic statement, if any youth league member is reading this please take the following to heart "You won't hear one idea from the ANC Youth League on how to create wealth, value, but you will hear constantly how to redistribute wealth,"

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-10-19 12:58

      And there was no insulting in that statement or namecalling. Just a challenge. I hope some of the clear thinking ANC supporters considering jumping ship take note of that.

  • mullerier - 2012-10-19 06:31

    The fact that the political majority who has complete political control in a "resources rich" country such as South Africa, can not create economic stability to the extent that the majority needs affirmative action to protect their own interests against a 9% minority group, and when affirmative action does not yield the necessary returns, has to resort to redistribution of wealth..effectively "killing the goose that lays the golden egg"....does indeed sum up the current political situation, BUT who will create anything after? If this can not be done within South Africa, by South Africans....we will once again, become "ripe for the picking" by another majority...and I fear the Chinese has an even worse human rights history than our previous masters, Colonial Britain or the Apartheid Regime. Is this the curse of Africa?

  • christopher.mellor - 2012-10-19 06:32

    Ancyl are taking their programme of action from Mugabe and Zanu Pf not from Anc leadership

  • aristar.aristary - 2012-10-19 06:35

    Race: Human. A fact of which I am frequently ashamed

  • catherineangelique.swarts - 2012-10-19 06:54

    The year 2050, God forbid, let's hope the world comes to an end before then. imagine this, sipho what can you tell me about your dad and your grandad? well teacher, my grandad fought for freedom, my dad, he and thousands of others killed white people for their farms, cars, cellphones, laptops, ipads. Now there are no white ppl left to keep on building an empire of wealth, because they knew how. But the sad thing is, and I Can't change it, my father and generations to come are trapped in a curse. A curse my father placed on himself. A curse of famine and hunger and povity. \r\nTeacher: so sipho, what is purpose in life? \r\nSipho: my purpose is not to follow in my fathers footsteps, but to ask the Lord to forgive my father and the others for their murderous deeds. As I would like me and generations to follow to walk in blessing and not in curse.\r\nTeacher: now you talking Sipho.

  • Ansie Van Der Gryp - 2012-10-19 07:00

    @ngcobo.98 and I hate this brainless ancyl, they all think money will fall into their laps by killing the whites, they are so braindead, money don't grow on white peoples trees!!! we are also sufferring from your black leaders and x leaders thats stealing every cent they can lay their hands on ! do you for one minute think zuma or malema and co. is thinking of you? no they don't !!! you can support them but you and all the blacks stand alone in the end you will never share in their money !!! so you can hate us for all eternity you and all the blacks are still the biggest losers !!! please tell me me who is going to give you R100 pasella ??????

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-10-19 13:10

      I like that 'money doesn't grow on white people's trees'! But the truth is with your privileged education, job opportunities, health care and generations of wealth you are living pretty sweet... And by not being seen to be sharing (redistributing)fast enough we are going against the way that African culture works. Personally, I think I share plenty. Its called paying my taxes! And paying for private security, health care and education. I get nothing for my taxes but I support at least 12 people every month apparently. Pity everyone from the president right down to the nurses stealing hospital sheets are just looking to grab as much as they can for themselves. So much for the culture of sharing ne? Best we all duck because soon its going to a massive free for all and anyone who is seen to have will be seen as white or coconut by the marauding have-nots.

  • bjanks - 2012-10-19 07:05

    I think people forget that Boers were put in concentration camps by the English that killed 60 000 woman and children. They are't killing the English over it are they? Zulu's also killed Boers... We need to rewrite the wrongs of the past! It Doesn't help pointing the finger cause three fingers are always pointing back... More people have been murdered since 1994 than in the whole history of this country thanks to ANC and there methods of inciting violence! Trained by the most violent people, "The Communistic KGB Russians" to exert power by fear and Total Control while keeping the general masses uneducated and powerless and the only people who profit are the thieves! No body from the ANC has answed my question, Who will feed the 50 000 000? You, You can't even run a country and your loosing Votes. There to many wanna be leaders but no managers... I take my hat off to ones in the ANC that make a difference but there are few. Its not about color but about accountability! Shut up and do some work...

  • clive.brink - 2012-10-19 07:08

    The ANCYL van only break and destroy not build anything, not even faith, hope and confidence. Its a useless organisation that does not serve any purpose run by overgrown men, not even youth. Close it down!

  • jaymz.hurly - 2012-10-19 07:12

    How can you not see the humour in this, agriforum call the ANCYL out on its racist views and then counter that statement by being racist classic

  • pwhanekom - 2012-10-19 07:17

    Brilliant ANCYL: make it a racial issue and then most South African's will forget the REAL issues that Laubser tried to address! Wish people would just ignore the race thing and rather comment on the huge economic problems we are facing. Maybe then SA could move forward.

  • nonhlanhla.nhlumayo1 - 2012-10-19 07:22

    If malema believes in sharing why doesnt he share his wealth,I mean the guy is making money,left right and centre or he must rather teach us as young people to earn our own money like he does

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-10-19 13:18

      Yep he is a better populist leader than Zuma. Look how smoothly he changed sides when it suited him. And what's with all the military outfits lately?

  • Tobie Vd Vyver - 2012-10-19 07:24

    I wanted to apply for membership of the ancyl, but was rejected because my IQ is more than the whole current leadership + the expelled leadership combined...

      whatda.fuqbro - 2012-10-19 07:55

      I heard that they interviewed a shoe for a membership position, alas they were still beaten in the IQ department.

      David Steyn - 2012-10-19 08:11

      Tobie Denidedog wants to know what IQ means

  • stephanus.dupreez - 2012-10-19 07:31

    Ek wonder of meneer Shivambu ooit weet wat daardie groot woorde (PROFOUND PROFICIENT) beteken.!

  • arthur.salvado - 2012-10-19 07:36

    The militant youth of today are the future of this country. What they don't realise is that there is no future for them to enjoy. In 50 years time, there will be more shacks than today and less food and less money. So ancyl do you damnest and drown in it. Pity

  • agatha.barrish - 2012-10-19 07:37

    This is extremly disturbing.......

  • ro.jhb.1 - 2012-10-19 07:43

    ANCYL you are a loudhailer of stupid communist and socialist ideas that have been proven to be unworkable. You are such ars-holes that them mind boggles. I cant wait for a fight with you low class c-nts

  • sifiso.sosibo.10 - 2012-10-19 07:46

    ANCYL has vindicated Mr Loubser regarding his thoughts about their economic policies which offer nothing of substance except!

  • tony.angel.3975 - 2012-10-19 07:46

    Stand up white citizens of SA! Keep your head up high! Enjoy the sunshine while you can! There is a "dark" cloud approaching!

  • bryan.culross - 2012-10-19 07:47

    How about comparing the qualifications and experience that Russell has in comparison to the youth league members!

  • sifiso.sosibo.10 - 2012-10-19 07:52

    ANCYL has vindicated Russell Loubser regarding his thoughts about their economic policies which offer us nothing but hot air and bull dust!

  • patience.samuels2 - 2012-10-19 08:01

    its very dissapointing that the Youth is not interested i building their coutry and showing the ANC supposed adults that they can think and do better, unfortunatley they all rotten potatoes making the whole country rotten. they still stuck in the past that they never experienced. it makes me sick

  • Asdiedamwalbars - 2012-10-19 08:11

    The ANCYL just can not take value out of correct them self, better themself..stop look always for stupid reasons and stupid excuses. Start being a positive force or as an example, or role model to their followers. Nothing wrong with protesting for better salaries..we hear nothing of advice to their members of lawful new contributions to end corruption..self enrichment, and other criminal acts by other leaders in the principle party..and officials working for the state..and abide and uphold them self by the laws, as eXamples. they, we all must keep by. help to let the economy grow..rather than promote militant ideas that will make the poor even poorer and the same people (in their ranks) who enrich them self even richer. Lies will eventually explode in their faces as time goes by..what new reasoning for that will there then be.?.

  • kimard - 2012-10-19 08:12

    you people dont get it, do you? the correct way of doing things are as follow: go to school to learn skills (not including human breeding) work to get money work to buy a house/land/food/clothes pay TAX to keep your country afloat - stop murdering and stealing. close your borders with proper border patrol like most decent countries de-brainwash yourself from "the worlds owes me and start earning IT and maybe with that some respect and self respect !!!!!

  • DrGonzoSA - 2012-10-19 08:15

    @Craigdemon So if someone calls me a racist its my fault? Get your head out of your backside, racism works both ways, get over it.