ANCYL cooks its member numbers

2011-09-25 14:34

Johannesburg - The ANC Youth League is almost half the size its spokesperson Floyd Shivambu claims it to be, suggesting he has lied publicly and to its members to artificially boost the league’s power.

The revelation comes as Shivambu and league president Julius Malema plan on Sunday to disband the KwaZulu-Natal provincial executive committee, which is resisting efforts to purge Jacob Zuma as ANC president in Mangaung next year.

Shivambu in a press statement on March 2, a day before Malema’s 30th birthday, said: “The message of the more than 600 000 members of the ANC Youth League on the birthday of its president (Malema) is that he should grow stronger.”

But the league’s latest membership figures paint a different picture.

At its national congress in June, membership stood at 366 435.


Shivambu told City Press: “We have clarified in congress that to say that the audited members for the 24th national congress’s purposes was 366 000, but the overall number of members is more than 600 000.

“The audit focuses on branches that go to their branch general meetings with a quorum, and membership applications are different. Branches that went to congress are those that have a minimum of 100 members and went to branch general meetings with a quorum of 50%+1 of their total membership within the dates we had given.

“Other branches that did not have members up to 100 or did not reach quorum were not in congress because they did not pass the audit. This does not mean that their members are not members,” Shivambu said.

KwaZulu-Natal, the league’s biggest province, has 72 427 members and 685 branches. Therefore, the KwaZulu-Natal league makes up 20% of the national membership. This province refused to send buses to support Malema when he faced disciplinary action at Luthuli House. And it is pushing hard against the league’s militant efforts to unseat Zuma as ANC president at Mangaung.

Now Malema and his allies want to disband the league’s KZN provincial executive committee, which is packed with Zuma supporters. The league’s top six executives, including Malema, will descend on Durban on Sunday to wield the axe. Some league provincial leaders, however, are ready to take the fight to Malema.

Street fight

“If we are disbanded, we will form a parallel structure. There will be no rules. It will be a street fight. People in the league are sick and tired of Julius,” said three league leaders who spoke to City Press.

In another show of support for Zuma, on Monday last week, premier and ANC provincial chairperson Zweli Mkhize lashed out at Malema.

“We begin to see people who see themselves as untouchables. If you don’t want to be within the ANC rules, you are free to leave.”

City Press has learnt that Shivambu is spearheading the campaign to have the PEC disbanded.

Shivambu reportedly proposed to the extended national working committee last Sunday that the PEC be disbanded. The matter will be finalised at the NEC meeting next month.

Shivambu said: “We don’t dignify rumours and leaks through giving comments. So I will never respond to cowards and liars who secretly speak to journalists, lie to them and sensationalise organisational process, yet keep quiet in meetings.”

Zuma supporters

League provincial secretary Bheki Mtolo, a Malema ally, confirmed Sunday’s meeting, but said he was not aware of a plan to disband the committee. “If the PEC is disbanded, for whatever reasons, I will have no problem with that.”

City Press has established that:

- At the PEC meeting last month Shivambu said: “My views on who should be president of the ANC (at the Mangaung conference next year) are known to you.”

Most regions rejected this (the push for Kgalema Motlanthe) and reaffirmed their support for Zuma.

- Shivambu wants the PEC out of the way because the league’s chairperson, Mthandeni Dlungwane (Zuma’s nephew), and deputy secretary Sboniso Duma are Zuma supporters. This leaves Mtolo isolated. The position of deputy chairperson has been vacant since Sindiso Magaqa, a Malema diehard, was elected the league’s secretary-general.

- At the very first meeting of the newly elected NEC in Gauteng, Malema led a debate on ANC succession which the ANC had banned. It is here that Shivambu reportedly advocated for a total takeover of the ANC leadership in Mangaung. 

  • wasp - 2011-09-25 14:39

    "Moer hulle", The Minister said.

      Atholl - 2011-09-25 15:51

      Yip 'moer hulle' and Klap it! Member Numbers mean nothing ... especially when there's inflation and deflation. It's not quantity but quality that matters. When the Crack Incorruptible Botswana Forces start laughing at the 300k + brave YL Warriors invading their land ?? ... the YL will remind that Highly Proficient and Articulate Botswana Strategic Defence System of Inflation. Yip, Inflation - Our Little General Ju may be experiencing a bit of deflation right now - but our Little Big little General has already planned (through the bloody agents) the Botswana Inflation Invasion. Then we'll 'moer hulle' 'til they surrender? 300k times!

      TGSA - 2011-09-25 17:59

      Even 366,000 (paid up?) members are too many for such a racist organization!

      Mart - 2011-09-26 08:39

      NOT 'cooks'...but 'CROOKS'.

      York Hunt - 2011-09-26 10:39

      The ANC and the ANCYL is totally unscrupulous and full of miscreants!

  • Jedi Master - 2011-09-25 14:44

    Ha ha ha ha ha!!! And so the empire starts to crumble.... I feel a clone war starting up.... Better get my Lightsaber ready.

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-09-25 15:17

      What a joke they are!

      Slapper - 2011-09-25 15:46

      Hey Agwambo, I think you will find that it is the ANC that is claiming 1 million members, but this too is probably a lie.

      kriskross - 2011-09-25 15:47

      @agwambo That is why it is called a mole. It is blind.

      falcon2020 - 2011-09-25 15:57

      @Agw .. Was the mole on your behind?

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-09-25 16:11

      Loads of friends of mine left the youth league after the Luthuli house disgusting behaviour.

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-09-25 16:41

      @Agwambo. Like I have told you before. I OWN MY business - one of my mechanics makes me MY tea. I am the BOSS! Just because I no longer support the ANC, does not that I am some how someone's slave or "tea-girl". You are a racist and a sexist if you describe me to be like that. When the ANC return to the market friendly, racially inclusive ways of Mandela I might support them again. I want to expand my company from employing 4 others to employing 15, but useless labour laws make it impossible. I have friends who support all political parties and of all races. White ANC friends, Black DA friends and all the other permutations etc! Don't tell me I don't have friends! It is interesting being friends with people with such differing political views.

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-09-25 16:42

      SA has done well in some global competitiveness categories, but not in Labour regulation, where it is in the bottom quartile.

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-09-25 16:47

      Agwanmbo - you are racist and sexist, because you believe it is not possible for a young black woman to have independent thought, be a swinging voter, and own a business. You believe that I cannot do anything for myself, and that as a black woman, the only way I can break from the ANC would be if I served tea to a white lady! Sis you are a sick sexist and racist. You are like the Nats! Tell you what I can achieve anything I want to and I will! Don't you dare pigeon hole me and label me as pathetic. The families of the people I employ don't think I am pathetic. Please start contributing and not belittling my modest (so far) achievements.

      Silli - 2011-09-25 17:35

      @Agwambo I think you need to remove that large chip from your shoulder. @Thandiwe83 Go girl - SA needs more like you!

      Lyndatjie - 2011-09-25 18:04

      @Thandiwe83 - lol... I haven't enjoyed a comment before as much as I've just enjoyed yours... Gotto respect anybody with a strong mind and equally stronger sense of self-worth.... You go!

      proudandpink - 2011-09-25 18:30

      Thandiwe ~ You rock! Go girl!!!!

      G.du Plessis - 2011-09-25 20:39

      @Agwambo. As an ANC supporter, I feel one of the areas we can improve in, is giving credit where it is due and supporting excellence and achievement at every opportunity. We are now free to openly support any party, so this must also be accepted and even encouraged.

      Jord Mavis - 2011-09-26 03:48

      can't even count; add Maths to Woodwork

      Mart - 2011-09-26 08:55

      @G.du a white person who passionately wants this country to become a Utopia for all it's people, I look very hard to find reasons to give the ANC Government credit, but I'm afraid I don't get many opportunities to do so. I know that there are those in the ANC and in government positions who have the potential but sadly they are hamstrung by the internal machinations of a structure where holding on to power is more important than doing what is right for the country as a whole. The reason why us whites complain bitterly all the bloody time is because we cannot tolerate incompetent and illogical governence. I am telling you now that if the white people of this country had had their current mindsets way back in the 70's, the National Party would not have been in power for too long. White people's eyes continue to open but we are being frustrated by the lies and incompetence. We now know that we had lies before but not this much incompetence.

      Snoopy88 - 2011-09-26 08:56

      You have to laugh... while uneducated ANCYL fools are banging their chests and causing mayhem. The likes of Thandiwe83 are quietly getting educated, starting businesses and making things happen for themselves through hard work and dedication. If it weren't for the hard working women in this country quietly beavering away, where would we be now?

  • letsee - 2011-09-25 14:47

    Left-wing political minds are around the world the ones that most mislead people. Their policies failed all over the world and they need to lie to conquer minds and it works with the ignorants. If one day South Africa becomes and educated society, the left-wings will be gone.

      brett.macdonald1 - 2011-09-25 15:33

      That is why they're lowering the education system...

      jakethepeg - 2011-09-25 16:35

      The ANCYL would not recognise a left wing policy if it bit them on the behind. It is led by self seeking populist rabble rousers, only in it for personal gain.

      pitbull - 2011-09-25 16:40

      @brett.macdonald1 - Is there an education system? Most of the kids I know learn more at home reading library books than they do from their teachers. Does the new education system teach them to think or just how to calibrate the depth of their noses?

      Snoopy88 - 2011-09-26 09:01

      Well they feed on the anger and disappointment so many young people feel. But there is always a way forward. If you think the likes of Malema are going to do anything for you you are sadly mistaken. To see any politician as your saviour is futile. You have to make your own way in this world and be in control of your destiny. And if it means going back to school to get that maths then so be it.

  • Lyndatjie - 2011-09-25 14:51

    If they audit the process that got Julius elected - I'll bet that we will see a whole new picture with that as well....

  • numbatoo - 2011-09-25 14:52

    Let the games begin load up, load up,load up with ru , ubber bullets (10CC)!!

  • falcon2020 - 2011-09-25 14:53

    Hamba Julius! Hamba!!

  • Desiree - 2011-09-25 15:02

    Hamba Julius! Hamba!!

  • LBS - 2011-09-25 15:03

    Good, just what we want, some of his own YL members to turn against him! Thank goodness there are SOME who can use their brains. But I hope he makes so many mistakes, that he splits the entire ANC in order that we can get rid of the real bad element, those that call the Whites rapists and thiefs, nationalisation of mines, etc etc.

  • Embee - 2011-09-25 15:05

    Love it!!! But i still fail to see why we South Africans continue to give power to the bafoons by continuously talking about them [ANCYL] and all that they do instead of rather turning our attention to the reasons for the things they say and do. They are merely a diversion to keep the rest of SA's attention from all the bigger, real issues within the ANC, our government and it's officials. So, let's forget about the fool and rather focus on fixing the real problems. Look how much time and energy has been wasted on the whole "Shoot the Boer" debacle. Yes, it is tentamount to hate speech and should, in this day and age, never be warranted. But, we are missing the bigger picture in the meantime. Come on SA, let's rather ignore the squeaky-wheel/barking-dog/crying-baby (or whatever euphamism you want to give for JM) and maybe, just maybe, without all the press time he is getting, he will eventually cry himself to sleep.

      bakerman - 2011-09-25 15:34

      RSA supposed to have some 50 million inhabitants, which gives the ANCYL less than 1/2% of population representation, therefore will Journalists refrain from giving this uneducated RUBBLE further free exposure

  • call a spade - 2011-09-25 15:27

    The first shots of another african enthnical battle. Bring it on.

      pitbull - 2011-09-25 16:41

      Please would the ethnic combatants get on with it, kill each other off and leave me alone.

      grant9 - 2011-09-25 20:08

      If there was a full scale blow up, nobody in SA would be immune. I think the 'domino effect' would take place. Just one aspect : if food, water and fuel deliveries were affected then the masses would rise up and help themselves. No, the curse of SA which is the ANC and its various organs has to be removed peacefully.

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-09-26 13:30

      Incorrect. Look at the UN reports on black on black violence in the 90s.

  • Kate - 2011-09-25 15:29

    Let me get the popcorn. The comments are going to be somewhat rather entertaining.

  • Colin Dovey - 2011-09-25 15:31

    The trouble about these cretins is that they have not even started to develop the BASICS of "Critical Thinking Skills" - they will NEVER call in to a popular Radio Station, except when it is about POLITICS - and they don't seem to realise that there is much more to life. We need to talk about EVERYBODY growing Veggie gardens for themselves, and others, how to start small enterprises, keeping the streets clean, fixing potholes.......the basics!!!

      Speakersonder - 2011-09-25 16:30

      To a contrary, instead people there break ATMs, public telphones, street lights, they shoot at road signs, dumb carcases... tel it to me if either they plan it, or discuss, or negotiate that, i mean some thing from human brain.

  • Slapper - 2011-09-25 15:45

    This is not surprising, as they have lied to the public about everything else.

      pitbull - 2011-09-25 16:47

      They wouldn't recognise the truth if it came up and slapped them in the face, but then the state president is the biggest liar of the lot.

      grant9 - 2011-09-25 20:30

      My belief exactly. They are so bad they don't realise that telling the truth would be better for them at times.

  • TamaraSays - 2011-09-25 15:57

    Jy lieg! Hardly a secret that.

  • Janine - 2011-09-25 16:10

    Ag shame - poor Julius doesn't have as many friends as he claims. Ha ha ha ha.

  • vegetarian - 2011-09-25 16:20

    @Shauncro Lack of protein, what lack of protein? Try the vegetarian diet, you will no longer feel bloated and stupid. You will look like a 20 year old while you are in your mid 30s. Your soul will no longer be dragging your body, you will feel wholesome and refreshed. You will think and act effortlessly. Those are the joys of the way of life I have chosen. The poisonous diet of the meat eater holds no attractions for me. The so called benefits far outweigh the unpleasant consequences.

      pitbull - 2011-09-25 16:50

      @vegetarian - another ranting extremist. Eat what you want but don't expect me to care. Life is too short to eat brussel sprouts.

      vegetarian - 2011-09-25 17:22

      Pitbull I was merely responding to a stupid comment, you can enjoy whatever you want to enjoy.

      Liberty - 2011-09-25 17:34

      LOL, you think effortlessly, well yeah judged by your comments you don't put any efford into it at all

      Kraut - 2011-09-25 17:38

      Firstly..veggie is a troll!! Secondly @pitbul..Brussel sprouts in cream sauce with a nice filet steak, saignant...excellent!!

      darkwing - 2011-09-25 20:16

      Kraut, no, must be cheese sauce. The steak must be rare. And baked potato. mmmmm

      grant9 - 2011-09-25 20:37

      @ Pitbull, Can't fully agree. I love my brussels and other vegies but there must be a nice steak, wors, or chop with them.

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-09-26 09:07

      Veg, how many supplements do you have to take with that rabbit diet of yours? Meat AND vegetables, Green AND Red, that's what humans are designed to eat and digest.

      Lab-Rat - 2011-09-26 10:26

      Great, now all you need to do is to deal with your racism and you'll truly be living a good life.

  • Pharcide - 2011-09-25 16:21

    The fight is now between the Xhosas and the Zulus... Did Malema really think the Zulus will turn against Zuma, a Zulu...

      vegetarian - 2011-09-25 17:20

      So according to you Malema is Xhosa. You speak like a true idiot. The seeds of tribalism that you are trying to sow will not materialize.

      Ay Gee Wils - 2011-09-25 18:13

      as far as i know juju is venda - zulus would probably think him a shangani!

      grant9 - 2011-09-25 20:41

      I've red a few times that he is Pedi (I'm not too sure on the subject)

      WCD - 2011-09-26 08:36

      He is moron for sure

  • Meetsnoer - 2011-09-25 16:23

    More "struggle" book-keeping? or is it struggling to keep books?

  • Pech? Africa - 2011-09-25 16:28

    Why is everyone suppressed? Hello… anything ANC is either corrupt/stolen/illegal /not real.

      numbatoo - 2011-09-25 18:41

      Pech?Africa... suppressed? I'm surprised nobody is blaming appetite.

      grant9 - 2011-09-25 20:51

      @ numbatoo, Well I blame Helen Zille and the DA, just to stire things up a little (after I've had my bottle of wine). p.s I am an ardent DA supporter.

  • pitbull - 2011-09-25 16:37

    And you discovered this when? How can a thirty year old be president of the "youth" league. Please can I send my forty year old brother to join as he sits at home doing nothing all day long.

  • Woofix - 2011-09-25 16:49

    @ pech?Africa: Just remember -- If you asked srupid questions you will get stupid answers.

  • Malcop - 2011-09-25 16:49

    Now if only we could get these two parties together to moer each other at Moses Madhiba stadium. I would pay a thousand bucks for a ticket to watch.

  • Speakersonder - 2011-09-25 16:53

    That is 38.93 percent out of 100, they fail exam. Comrade Shivhambugini seem to be troubled with saying 366 435 for kept saying 366 000.

  • mabsie - 2011-09-25 16:57

    Well done to those KZN ANCYL leaders and members. You are bravely standing up and defending your rights and opinions.

      gugu sheszi - 2011-09-26 01:03

      MALEMA is only fighting for tenders, and mines not the poor. viva ANCYL kzn. MALEMA IS NOW A RACIST

  • seshike mmoledi - 2011-09-25 17:03

    Let the fight begins and DA will be a ring announcer and at the same time match referee and after the fight then takes over, ANC youth league can not rule this country it has no capable educated members to can rule the country in future, under them the country will be in war.

      vegetarian - 2011-09-25 17:25

      What level of education did Zuma attain, yet there is no war. The Youth League has matriculants, graduates and post graduates, young scientists and philosophers as well as academics.

      Ay Gee Wils - 2011-09-25 18:07

      Seshike - you are perfectly correct - they are blinded by hatred and greed and will only destroy whatever they touch - where Veggie gets his information from is a mystery - no free and intelegent person comes up with the despicable rubbish the ancyl spews out - give me an exsample of their statesmanship or evidence of their ability to recognise one workable socio-economic principle - they are the worst of fools and the most dangerous!

      radarblip - 2011-09-25 19:41

      veggie: i'd be very surprised if they had any graduates... mind you it takes two brain cells to get a degree so perhaps they might... but i wouldn't imagine anyone with anything higher. together the youth league couldnt run a roasted-mealie stand!

      gugu sheszi - 2011-09-26 01:05

      THE Present ancyl is bad news under malema, pushing the struggle for tenders

  • Sir Richard - 2011-09-25 17:06

    ok so good at woodwork and now good at sums

      WCD - 2011-09-26 08:38

      he is a financial genius - affording a 16 mil house on a 25 000 salary

  • guytom - 2011-09-25 17:29

    What a bunch of idiotic tosses .... an embarrassment to the youth and the ANC ... keep it up , I need the laughs everyday..

  • Davearch - 2011-09-25 18:01

    Lying thieving SCUM ... not much more to add !!!

  • DomDonner - 2011-09-25 18:04

    ?One and one is, er, er ...? No, lets go onto the other one - ok, here we go ! ?Two and two is, er, er ...? C'mon Floyd baby, we know you can do it! No, the other one - ok, here we go ! ?Three and three is, er, er... 600 000!? Yes, I knew I could do it ! Who said the count can't count, er, or something like that - I forget how it goes now...

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2011-09-25 19:07

      All Politicians lie - some just do it better than others...

  • Bart23 - 2011-09-25 18:21

    Practicing for future elections are we?

  • Frans Smith - 2011-09-25 18:38

    no honour amongst thieves. they remind me of the vultures in the kruger - just as ugly also.

      allows - 2011-09-26 12:06

      What did a vulture ever do to you to get insulted this way?

  • Daniel - 2011-09-25 18:44

    This is a nice warning to the rest of you ANCYL supporters, if you dont play by Malema's rules - he will axe you! So why support him?? He is a sinking ship anyway!

  • Louie - 2011-09-25 18:45

    what did you think that juju was so happy when he got a G for woodword ? he taught to stood for Good. HAHAHAHAHAH!

  • Louie - 2011-09-25 18:48

    Bring back the NIC FARTIMA M,

  • Louie - 2011-09-25 18:55

    The ANC belongs to the Zulus now stay out you peards !

      WCD - 2011-09-26 08:42

      I am not as clever as you, but can you kindly explain the meaning of the word 'peard'

      mathopa - 2011-09-26 09:56

      what the hell is 'peard'?...what happened to our (RSA) that (zulu)English? hahahaha Zuma being the teacher aint it

      Lab-Rat - 2011-09-26 10:29


  • tzME - 2011-09-25 19:15

    Can anyone verify 'paid up" membership numbers of each of ANCYL, Cosatu, and the Communist Party? What if they can't OR are they paid to be members? How many of the "members" of each of these organisations are employed? A contradiction in terms in respect of Cosatu? I think not. Is there any 'intelligence' with regard to this query? .... would make fascinating reading and would surely influence the political route our country would embark upon AND make our 'Leader' more decisive!

  • Chibuli - 2011-09-25 20:14

    Why is it that one needs to spend many years studying to become qualified to practice as a lawyer, doctor, architect, engineer, etc., but the only qualification for practicing politics is that you are able to walk on your hind legs unaided?

      WCD - 2011-09-26 08:42

      Who said anything about 'unaided'

  • JohnPicarra - 2011-09-25 20:32

    This is unsual because nowhere else in the world does a Youth League have the delusion of taking over the main Party. These local mentally challenged souls are able to entertain such ridiculous ideas because in the past as older Party leaders died national leaders chose replacements from other party bodies like the Youth League. But those days are over; the older communist terrorist comrades have already pegged off. And the world is different; the vice presidents shop in Dubai, and fly the presidential plane all over the world. They did not struggle to be poor, and they did not struggle to give their places to upstarts like Malema. Some of them, just like Malema, did not even struggle.

  • ChumScrubber - 2011-09-25 20:44

    Clearly the "non Zulu's" have an agenda here. Must admit, being a Natal lad I do prefer the Zulu's ten fold to the Shangaans where I now reside. The Zulu's are a proud nation, the people have a bit of personality. Working with the Shangaans is like working with dead people - the Zulu's warned me of this when I left, they have no respect for Shangaans. Don't let these okes hijack you, Zulu fella's - they are on a sinister mission, don't trust them! Knowing Malema is a Pedi makes me wonder about the morals of that lot too ...........

      gugu sheszi - 2011-09-26 01:08

      malema was good in handcraft and landscaping

  • John - 2011-09-25 21:12

    This bunch could only get less than 500 members, all bused in to protest in to protest at the start of the hearing for JUJU. Hell we get more every time the metro police have a strike. I think the press should start asking the real questions as to exactly what are the numbers.

  • Vince York - 2011-09-25 22:14

    Obviously still to arrive at the entrance gate for admission to the league of humanity!

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-09-25 22:17

    See what happens if you burn the books comrade?! Eh,..Floyd ...Juju lost the calculator..

  • witboy - 2011-09-25 23:28

    ha ha cannot count or add

  • Craig Louw - 2011-09-25 23:57

    The missing numbers are still to be bussed in from zim?

  • gugu sheszi - 2011-09-26 00:59

    ANCYL needs to disbanded nationally; it has lost direction under Shivambu and malema. there is a need for interim ANCYL structure.

  • gugu sheszi - 2011-09-26 01:20

    who is Shivambu by the way, he wants to disband what. let him come we are tired now of dividing the nation

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2011-09-26 21:05

      Perhaps they should all join Afriforum - they don't exclude anybody...if they don't like it, they can always leave. I wonder what the ANCYL would do if they had serious, thinking, White and Coloured Youths wanting to join? Probably consider them 'Bloody Agents working on the DA payroll' - but wait~! They are spending their money on doing what they are supposed to do..

  • Jabulaniboy - 2011-09-26 01:29

    Malema is not cooking membership numbers. His 6 most difficult years in school was grade three. He simply cannot count or think.

      herman.brummer - 2011-09-26 05:35

      lol, ageed

  • quintinj - 2011-09-26 02:52

    I wish someone could have warned everyone that the ANCYL was a bunch of lying power mongers, oh wait, everyone with two brain cells to put together already knew that!

  • Peter - 2011-09-26 05:10

    Back in primary school the boys used to stand around during break times comparing notes on the 'my daddy is bigger than your daddy' line. When I think back to that time in my life most of the time the boys could hardly have known what they were really talking about. This article displays like sentiments.

  • herman.brummer - 2011-09-26 05:35

    Typical, what else can we expect from the young corrupt ANC politicians.