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ANCYL dismisses Mbeki's Tunisia prophecy

2011-02-19 08:03

Johannesburg - The ANC Youth League on Friday dismissed predictions by political analyst Moeletsi Mbeki that South Africa is heading for Tunisia-like protests in 2020, aimed at toppling the ANC government.

"If there will be any revolt in South Africa, it will not be against the ANC government, but against white monopoly capitalists who continue to extract our resources, massively profit, whilst our people remain without jobs and living in poverty," said ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu in a statement.

He described Mbeki's prediction as one of "the most bizarre to ever happen".

Mbeki is the brother of former president Thabo Mbeki.

"The Tunisia-like protests will not happen in South Africa, because the ANC government has made profound progress in placing institutions, structures and virtues of democracy, which allow the people of South Africa to freely and fairly choose public representatives after every five years."

"For Moeletsi Mbeki to suggest that the people of South Africa will revolt to topple the ANC government is day-dreaming inspired by his hatred of the African National Congress."

He accused Mbeki of living on a "different planet" and being "very pessimistic and consistently negative about the progress made by the ANC government, particularly since the departure of his brother as president".

A state of emergency was declared in Tunisia in January, in a popular revolt that drove out former president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali.

Mbeki wrote that "ANC leaders are like a group of children playing with a hand grenade. One day one of them will figure out how to pull out the pin and everyone will be killed".

Pockets of protests have hit South Africa this week, with residents saying they were unhappy about service delivery, joblessness and the ruling African National Congress' selection of candidates ahead of local government elections later this year.

President Jacob Zuma reportedly said there would never be a revolt mirroring that of Tunisia in South Africa.

Comments
  • Jarrid - 2011-02-19 08:14

    Of course they will say that, elections are coming up..... "If there will be any revolt in South Africa, it will not be against the ANC government, but against white monopoly capitalists who continue to extract our resources, massively profit, whilst our people remain without jobs and living in poverty," said ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu in a statement. I love this statement, They have been "running" this country for 17 years and there people are still suffering while they line there pockets... I for one hope the revolt happens before 2020!

      Logs01 - 2011-02-19 08:32

      @Jarrid, you are going to get what you hope for. Watch this space! ANC is battling to "plug all the holes" and more are popping up every week. Their BS does not work so "lekker" anymore to "contain" the problems, dis-satisfaction and growing "unrest" they are currently challenged with, within their party, as well as with the "followers" that "put" them there and now had enough.

      foitapoilet - 2011-02-19 09:53

      ANCYL.... another fart in a thunderstorm statement. African National Congregate of Young Layabouts!!!

      Swartvel - 2011-02-19 10:07

      What is very strange for me is"WHEN ARE YOUR WHITE PEOPLE, INDIANS AND COLOURS GOING TO STAND UP AND SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" They take your land and steel your farms, they taking your jobs and burn your families, using the police as their force to intimidate...you guys just sit back and wait till it come to a scenario so worse that its to late to turn around. Ancyl openly declare war on whites...you guys must wake up and take your four million others and support of the colours and indians and drive these Mugabe copy goverment back to where they come from...you gave them chance for piece and they still not happy..now is the time people of all colours to standup against these black force corrupt officials and fight for the real democracy we voted for back in 94..common people stand together please.

      John - 2011-02-19 12:25

      Isn't this the same guy, who had no clue as to what a canoe was?....ummmm I just wasted a minute of my time, reading this.

      lean - 2011-02-19 16:33

      Swartvel there is no unity among SA Whites. It is not only English and Afrikaans, it is Greeks, Germans, Jewish, Hungarians, Polish, Russians, Bulgarians and so on...There is so many White Nations which have to stand together, but I do not see how it's going to work... We have the same ANC enemy, but we are so far apart. I am going to Afrikaans Doksa church, but ppl do not speak English there, when I ask to help me, they say I must go and Fined English church... I am not English, but I do understand this language. We need to work and live together and take our cultural pride and let other nations participate in our life's. We have to help each other! There is so many ppl who want to join Afrikaans churches believe me. And I do understand some Afrikaans, but at work I must speak English. For so many ppl it's the same - it is to difficult in your 30-40 start learning 2 new languages. So Afrikaans ppl pls open your doors, open your minds and hearts for other nations!!!

      lean - 2011-02-19 16:38

      Sorry I am not English, and I am not Afrikaans...

      maseratifitt - 2011-02-19 17:40

      Progressive: "We acknowledge that redressing 342 yrs of hackling by Colonialist will require the same amount of years." You really don't have to worry about taking 342 years to repay the colonialists for the infrastructure and development they brought to the country. The ANC has taken over the whole lot, and the colonialists have forgotten about it a long time ago. So just relax and try to think of how we can improve South Africa for future South Africans.

  • Para-gun - 2011-02-19 08:22

    This government will not be toppled that easy. Watch the police force grow by 10% each year for the next 30 years to keep peace in the country.

      Poppy - 2011-02-19 08:50

      Police need to go on diet......

      roadvark - 2011-02-19 09:13

      I think their waistlines are growing by more than 10% each year...more like 25%.

      Hardtalk - 2011-02-19 09:29

      ***Para-gun*** do yourself a favor and type in police corruption in search at the top of this page and get educated. ANC “corrupt” ANCYL “corrupt” Local councils “corrupt” Police force “corrupt” Home Office “corrupt” License offices “corrupt” If you spend time on these sites then read the news and digest it and learn. The same goes for anyone else who thinks the above list of people are the answer to a successful South Africa.

      Nico - 2011-02-19 09:31

      @ROADVARK...You are WRONG....more like 35%

      Nico - 2011-02-19 13:43

      @Hardtalk... I think para-gun was sarcastic and also meaning that the police force WILL keep you and me under THEIR control...FORCEFULLY.

  • Brad - 2011-02-19 08:24

    They can believe what they want but it is coming and soon. The ANC are only interested in raping this country for all its worth, lining their coffers and letting the poor get poorer. If only the opposition parties would be more aggressive in their campaigning they could show the rural communities exactly what the ANC is really doing!

      Perfume - 2011-02-19 09:24

      True statement you made!

      mariomobster - 2011-02-20 05:25

      True - but don't you see what the voters are being fed: "It's actually the white man's fault" So the ANC supporters are continuously being told that it's not the ANC's fault. If there ever was to be an uprising, it'l be against the europeans. ANC's got that angle covered.

      tfbornman - 2011-02-21 09:13

      @Mariomobster, you are correct, and it is mass brainwashing, if you keep telling people the same thing year after year they later accept it as fact... and that is scary

  • Trevor - 2011-02-19 08:28

    Fair warning, the ANCYL is blind to the need of the people, they mirror the ANC's policies...problem is, once they have bled those who power the nation through intellect(business) then who is going to fund these wasteful projects of the ANC?You can say what you want, un-educated man power is useless without direction and ambition, they would rather sit on their ass's and have everything given to them and they FULL of excuses...once you have a situaiton where the poor are so plentyful that the heart of South African can no longer sustain their need to be given everything then the poor will rebel like a cancer, this is not unique to SA and has seen many a country collapse in anarchy. History has proven when the poor are plentyful then you just need ONE man to incite emotions, like Julius, like Hitler and the country goes in civil unrest. So sorry to say, you can tell me the ANC has made huge inroads, might be true to some but even they admit they cannot keep up. Their policy to breed like flies which was THEIR policy in the 80's & 90's has now come back to bite us all. If we keep the pace we are going, there is NO WAY we can sustain it, economically and resource IMPOSSIBILITY...it will self destruct.Want to fix SA's problem, close the borders,reduce birth rate, simple as that, no excuses,it's cold but to survive sometimes you have to take drastic measures.

      Kenko - 2011-02-19 08:36

      You are so right about the birth rate, but unfortunately your message will never hit home. It has now become a culture thing where they breed, and government support.

      carelalb - 2011-02-19 09:34

      Trevor, what is this amazing claim you make about a policy in the 80s and 90s to breed? Where do you get this from? And what would be the point? to win a democratic election? Overkill, I'd say, and I'd never have credited the ANC with much forward planning ability.

      Christo - 2011-02-19 10:08

      It's a fact carelalb. Overpopulation is still a survival strategy among oppressed people. Do a bit of research.

      mungee - 2011-02-19 10:48

      Trevor - you've "hit the nail on the head"! Listen to this: my father, who died in 1978 (yes, 1978!), used to OFTEN say the following: "I have the greatest confidence that South Africa will sort out its political differences, but I fear that we have a "rocky road" ahead of us economically, because each one of us (middle/upper-class)have got to uplift 7 or 8 others ... and we haven't got the money to do it!". Prophetic words from a man who died in 1978, wouldn't you say?!

      Cya - 2011-02-19 11:51

      @trevor, and how is the SA problem supporse to be solved if we were to close borders, lets face it a large number of us South Africans are leaving the life we leaving because of those borders that were eased up. if we were to close borders that would create even more problems, its not an option man

      Wonderboy - 2011-02-19 16:07

      @carelalb I agree with Trevor, they were told by their russian and chinese masters to breed so that the previous government would not be able to sustain the burden of aid to the homelands and the population as a whole. The population increased from 16 mil in 1970 to 40 mil in 2000.

      Kim - 2011-02-21 08:11

      If I'm not mistaken, Nelson Mandela was one of those who promoted breeding in order to increase the black population.

      Rory - 2011-07-30 18:39

      Carelalb, leads from the top down Boet, take a look at Stortkop, how many known kids does he have

  • grottobay1 - 2011-02-19 08:33

    Agree 100% with Moeletsi Mbeki.Lets chat again in 2020.....or maybe before the time.

  • Sifiso - 2011-02-19 08:35

    It is true that if people were to revoult whites will be more happier becose they do not have a strategy to unseate the anc in the poll.As it was said in the 90s that the was black on black violence but we know who was the referee.

      Antoinette - 2011-02-19 08:40

      Why is it always to do with colour? But, seeing that you want to talk colour......how is 1.5 million people vs the rest of SA going to be listneed to? We can revolt.......so what? But, if 30 Million SA's, not looking at colour here.......jump and say no???????/ THat's quite a number, don't you think?

      grottobay1 - 2011-02-19 08:54

      It is NOT whites that will unseat the ANC.....it will be blacks.Period.

      roadvark - 2011-02-19 09:16

      I thought the anc was supposed to be non-racial...now the truth comes out. The anc is a black party and no longer the peoples party under Mandela. How the high and mighty have fallen.

      Shadoz - 2011-02-19 09:17

      man you guys have been killing each other long before the whites came. Guess you must be one of the uneducated fools. Africans can't and never will be able to work together.

      Nico - 2011-02-19 09:34

      @sifiso...if you write in English...... keep your dictionary nearby.....

      Perfume - 2011-02-19 10:03

      Sifiso you got that wrong, the whites are not going to do anything, look around you all the strikes "black people" setting things on fire "black people" a revolution in this country will be started by "black people" die mense raak moeg vir die ANC, watch this space, it will be ANC's very own followers that will revolt against them!!.

      Perfume - 2011-02-19 10:14

      correction meant to say *a revolt in this country.......

      roadvark - 2011-02-19 10:16

      I cannot speak for the whites but in my opinion all the whites (and Indians and Coloureds) want is a stable, competent and non-corrupt government, preferably multi-racial. The anc government has not come up to scratch as it is incompetent, corrupt, greedy and racial. That is where the problem lies. The revolt will come from the poor and jobless, not the white, Indian and Black entrepeneurs and businessmen who provide most of the employment in the country.

      Spyker - 2011-02-19 10:59

      Sifiso, Do yourself and your fellow SAcans a favour - GROW UP! You are evidently just another ANC primed troll. Look in the mirror and ask yourself, what kind of live do you want for your children and their children? Do you want them to live in a country where 80% of the people live below the poverty line? A country where your children will look like this, http://www.news24.com/AudioSlideshows/Africa/Bundles-of-bones-20110120 Or do you want a country where 12% of the people live below the poverty line? A country where your children will look like this, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rDDbozDHJ0A/So1fWTpUCTI/AAAAAAAAAfQ/ARxIfVaz2Vo/s400/happy-children-in-huntley.jpg The choice is yours alone – so remember, when your children and their children come to you and ask you why your country is such a mess, do not blame the “whites”, blame yourself; as you voted for the ANC...

      Alfred - 2011-02-20 15:35

      It's is absolutely amazing that even when blacks fight with blacks it gets blamed on whitey. Hell, stub your toe - blame whitey. Be late for work - blame whitey. Rape a woman - blame whitey. Get rained - blame whitey. Have itchy balls - blame whitey...

  • Leon77 - 2011-02-19 08:37

    IMO whites are the only people without a democratic say as they are the minority and are descriminated against. Do agree regarding expoititive capitalists but they are both black and white. As a white 13th generation South African I feel like a French person in occupied France during the second world war.

  • Antoinette - 2011-02-19 08:38

    Hear no evil?

  • Poppy - 2011-02-19 08:40

    If there will be a revolt, which I beleive will come, it will be the people that will decide what their greviances are.Even if there where elections, that wont solve the problem. We need to stop, "the blaming game", lip service is so easy, action is what is needed. The Arab revolt is all about the greedy governments, who have not considered their people in the last 40 yrs. Do you think South Africa could be in that catogory? Do you really think that the below average income South African is goind to wait till 2020!! Please the ANC are a laugh about their "never" story.....

  • krebs101 - 2011-02-19 08:41

    At some point the rest of the animals on the farm are going to revolt against the pigs. Animal Farm is a perfect metaphor for SA, and all countries in Africa.. Just keep giving the ANC more rope..Problem is, if the crap hits the fan, it's the poor and innocent who suffer..

  • Peter - 2011-02-19 08:43

    The only reason most businesses in South Africa are owned by Whites is because most Blacks would rather work for someone else than start and take responsibility for their own business.

      andyinnes.sa - 2011-02-19 09:30

      You have got to be kidding, right? I sincerely doubt that you can actually believe what you wrote here.

      Afrocentia - 2011-02-19 11:04

      This is a legacy created by your forefathers to deprive a black man of his ability to optimise their natuaral potential. You easily forget Peter that your past generation have ruined this country so extensively that you can't even quantify the damage yourself, neither could some of your white counterparts. Although it will take decades to reverse, but it will eventually happen. From Afrocentia.

      Swartvel - 2011-02-19 12:10

      @afrocetia my black brother...no, no...no, this computer you use belong to the whteman right, if it wasint for them then we would not have cars, grooceries, tv, radio, oooo!!! and that nice chair you sitting on...so let our blacks be gratefull in what they did in this country and that we can live together in harmony, we dont need thuggs like you...

      Wonderboy - 2011-02-19 16:15

      @Afrocentia "Ruined the country". You should qualify your statement. Definitely not economically, South Africa was by far the most powerful country on the African continent and that was done by the pre 94 government. I doubt if this is still the case.

      Xolani22 - 2011-02-21 11:54

      This is a very tired and tedious argument. Blacks no matter what they do will never be good enough in your eyes. The ANCYL is not representative of all black folk out there. I wish you well Peter in your endeavours as you carry on with your patronising and condescending attitude.

  • Francois - 2011-02-19 08:58

    Flooid, it appears that you do not read or know a lot. Moeletsi already was critical of the ANC whilst his brother was president. Then President Janeekop Zuma, is this not tantamount to hate speech - it is implied that only whites form monopolies and they are thieves - is it not a negative hateful generalization based on race? Can you please reprimand Flooid or have a hearing for him organised at the HRC?

  • JohannV - 2011-02-19 09:02

    "institutions, structures and virtues of democracy" Bwahahaha, Floyd you tit! Why do you think people are burning up the neighborhood? Corruption = poor service delivery = revolt = goodbye ANC. The wheel is turning, bhuti. Better start looking for a safe place to hide. Your black brothers and sisters are getting fed-up and I pray for the day that the powder keg explodes!

      Afrocentia - 2011-02-19 11:15

      Why do you think they normally say they would not vote as an expression of anger against unfulfilled promises instead of saying they will vote for your DA? Because to them the ANC represent a bigger family, an attachment associated to the fight by the ANC against the brutal history unleashed by the past separatist regime from which the benefits have accrued to you, and the suffering is still being felt today by the black majority as an unfortunate legacy it left. For your short memory, remember it lasted for over 350 years and we have not achieved a tenth in an attempt to reverse that damage.

      JohannV - 2011-02-19 11:55

      Afro, go study your history and you'll see apartheid was only initiated in '48. And I didn't benefit. I get a crap salary, have no tertiary qual, have a handicapped wife who doesn't qualify for a grant because I'm working and she's white. Not all whites are filthy rich, not all whites are racist either. But MOST whites hope and pray for everything to be equalised - fair treatment for all, not only for you because you're black and now it's "your turn."

      foitapoilet - 2011-02-20 13:15

      @Afrocentia - its idiots like you that will still be blaming apartheid in 50 years time. You mention the apartheid was 350 years long, now that explains why you still have not invented the wheel!

      WPWW - 2011-02-21 15:32

      Afro you proably believe you built africa? Well if it wasnt for an english or french man with a whip your ancesatas would not have built anything. Its always the least educated that think they can do the most without the help of educated engineers, planners, accountants. Yes maybe your kraal can function without these people, but a modern world cannot function without educated people making deisions, it can however replace an unskilled labour force with machines...

  • golanc2 - 2011-02-19 09:04

    yes to all the whities out there it can happend....most s.a. are stuiped !!! but not for long!!with 50% of this country on grants.a revolt can happen at any time here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • tubi - 2011-02-19 09:05

    I believe that every system needs to be accountable including leaders to thier electorate. If the present government is so sure they are doing evverything write what does thier report card say. I believe that accountability systems as expressed in zuma's recent nations speach need be made public and accessible via cell phones and sms etc.. where a reporting system of faults is facilitated(in addition to the zuma hot line - which has gone very quite). Only this way will each and every person in SA have a voice and experience first hand if they in fact are or are not being listened to and over time take action accordingly. So many people ask me, how to I protect myself against corrupt individuals and who do I turn to and what systems are available to me. Where are the government vehicles for this - some journalist should do an article on this and make sure that all South Africans have access to such information.

  • Mxhuma - 2011-02-19 09:06

    The ANCYL is not correct in suggesting that Mbheki has started critisizing the government after the departure of his brother as president. Moeletsi Mbheki has been critisizing the ANC govt even when Thabo was still president. We might not have Tunisia style revolts in this country for various and obvioius reasons but a revolution will surely come. No one can say in what shape or form, but at some stage something very drastic will happen. For a start I predict the obvious: a time when all the ministers in govt will not have a history of having been in exile or in prison. That wil be a big change for this country!

      roadvark - 2011-02-19 09:21

      I doubt if cronyism will ever die out but you are right...a revolution will come, problem is it might be bloody.

  • jweer42 - 2011-02-19 09:06

    Same old, Same old. If the cr@p hits the fan, get canned food and vitamin pills and stay in Upington for a year ... nothing hits that place ever except the occational 2 decade flood. :p

  • gary.dasilva - 2011-02-19 09:08

    IF the ANC carries on treating the entire population lik pigs to the slaughter - a twitter revolution will be a lot sooner

  • gary.dasilva - 2011-02-19 09:08

    The ANC must now start fearing the people not the other way around.

  • Hardtalk - 2011-02-19 09:09

    The only thing the ANCYL do is spread racism and hatred mainly against white people. The ANC & the ANCYL days are numbered and that is a fact. If we have a black majority rule how can whites still be ahead????? I know of many domestics and gardeners employed by whites whose wage keeps a home and family, they will never be rich but eat and live. I am not going to get into the argument about wages but without it they have nothing. I am told there is thousands like these in SA, so wipe out the whites and you put thousands more in poverty and that is what the ANCYL wants I am sure. Divert the voters to think it is all the whites that have the wealth is the only way the ANC can win, and they know that for sure. If you were to look into why black entrepreneurs are not employing thousands you would find out the truth, it will not be because of whites. I do not confess to know the answers, but spreading racism and hatred is not the answer.

      Mxhuma - 2011-02-19 09:17

      They eat Sushi!

  • piet.makwas - 2011-02-19 09:15

    Floyd Shivambu jy is maar net nog 'n rigtinglose pateet in die ANC wat julle tekortkominge verbloem om alles om die nek van die "Witmense" te hang. Kry riting en kry lewe, julle eie mense is besig om gatvol te raak vir die ANC "Fatcats" en Moeletsi Mbeki is 100% korrek in wat hy sê!

  • Lance - 2011-02-19 09:19

    I Personally think Mr Mbeki;s Prediction is very Accurate and the leadership of the ANC might well take Note of the Unrest and Dissatisfaction of The People in the Middle East

  • Perfume - 2011-02-19 09:19

    2020 might be sooner than that!!!!!

  • tubi - 2011-02-19 09:24

    Some interesting facts: population of SA approx 48 million people, number of cell phones 48 million, number with internet access approx 3 to 4 million, information and views need to be accessible via cell phones and not only internet. This is the only way these debates in the new SA can have an effect and be productive. How can this be accomplished. Maybe some astute journalist can look into this?

      YasButIDunno - 2011-02-19 16:17

      Twitter (the one that Useless Julius wanted to shut down) has played a significant role in the events in Egypt, Bahrain, Tunisia etc. No reason why it shouldn't work here also Tubi!

  • N1 Production House - 2011-02-19 09:27

    Floyd Shivambu be scared be VERY scared. Even Muammar Gaddafi is scared. The world can see that, because he(Gaddafi) is using the army to help!! And in the future you will be running like rats....

  • YasButIDunno - 2011-02-19 09:28

    I think Mbeki is completely wrong. The revolt will happen within the next 2 to 4 years. Perhaps the general strike called by COSATU over the tolls on Gauteng "freeways" will ignite the keg. Viva Twitter, Viva!

      Perfume - 2011-02-19 09:42

      2 years is still too long, might be sooner than that!

  • BigD - 2011-02-19 09:33

    some more crap spoken by middle aged under achievers that fill the ancyl ranks.

  • burtfred - 2011-02-19 09:50

    As usual, the only thing the ANC or their youth leaugue have to offer the masses is their blackness. Floyd, I have bad news for you. The revolution happening to the north of us has nothing to do with colour. It is not about whites rejecting blacks, or arabs rejecting infidels - it is about downtrodden, neglected people rejecting their own so-called leaders, of the same colour as themselves. Moeletsi Mbeki, you are wrong about 2020. Less than a month ago, the dictator Gadaffi, who has been in power for 43 years, also declared that no revolution would happen in Libya. It is happening right now. People are being shot dead by their own police in the streets of Bengazi and Tripoli. The rejection of the ANC by the masses has already begun. History has shown that once the fires of revolution begin, they spread very quickly. The military and police in Tunisia, Libya and Egypt are far bigger and more organised than ours in SA, and they could not contain the mass rejection of their corrupt politicians. The next general election in SA will be the last time that the ANC gets an outright majority. They will then fade away over the following decade into ignomony just as the Nats did before them. Life goes on, new generations are born, the national psyche adapts. South Africa will one day be a mature democracy, but first we have to get rid of the corrupt, self entitled, so-called liberators currently in power.

      JohannV - 2011-02-19 10:17

      Where there's smoke, there's fire. Zuma was quick to point out that "Egypt will not happen in SA". Guilty conscience? I think his heart is beating real fast right about now. And after Lybia and Tunisia, Rwanda and Zim will follow. SA WILL follow soon.

      honky - 2011-02-20 08:24

      burtfred, unfortunately the ANC will not just fade away.They will use all the brute force in their power to stay in control, then there will be no more talk about democracy...in fact, they will direct tehir propaganda againts the whites, teher will eb wholesale looting and anarchy...but the ANC will still be in control. They will ghuard tehir gravy train at all cost at everfone's expense.

      burtfred - 2011-02-20 10:44

      @honky Most people do not share your pessimism about SA. Which "brute force" are you refering to? The SANDF? They are in a shambles, having been totally neglected by the SACP/Communist/ANC alliance. So neglected in fact that the best "minister" they have to offer is the appalling, inept, ANC aristocrat, Lindiwe Sisulu. More than half of the remaining personel in the SANDF are HIV positive and are beyond caring about national defence. Many of the members are disgruntled to the point where they actually have to strike for a better deal. Maybe the brute force you are refering to is the SAPS. No chance there either. They are also fed up with ANC promises of improved working conditions, etc. Field Marshall Cele is a laughing stock within the police service. South Africa is not Zimbabwe. Zim has two population groups that matter - Shonas and Matabele. The Shonas outnumber Matabele 2 to 1. It is easy for them to dominate. SA has many significant population groupings - Zulus, Xhosas, Tswanas, Sothos, Portuguese, Whites, Afrikaners, Coloureds, Indians, Pedis, etc. That is why we will be a proper democracy one day. No one group can dominate the rest. The vast majority of South Africans are decent people. Many of these, however, are in desparate poverty due to the failed Marxist/Socialist policies of the ANC. As I said before, South Africa will one day be a mature democracy, but first we have to get rid of the corrupt, self entitled, so-called liberators currently in power.

  • FreeSpeech - 2011-02-19 09:57

    ANCYL: No! There will never be protests like Tunisia! And we will prove our point. Even if it means we have to have violent protests in the street to prove out point!

  • Stofbolletji - 2011-02-19 10:02

    All good things come to an end but sadly for the ANC,all bad things too.Viva DA!

  • Mahomed - 2011-02-19 10:03

    cant wait that long for it to happen. need to somehow start it off sooner

  • VM1 - 2011-02-19 10:04

    When will the protest start ! ! ! I cannot wait for this - this will remondd me of the 80's . Burn - burn - burn - in your dreams man - not here and not now.

      roadvark - 2011-02-19 10:22

      It has already started. Can't you read the news. All over man. You are an idiot.

      VM1 - 2011-02-19 10:49

      @ Roadvark Easy varkie no need to get personal now - keep it real

      roadvark - 2011-02-19 13:13

      Yep, you are right. Apologies.

  • Swartvel - 2011-02-19 10:10

    What is very strange for me is"WHEN ARE YOUR WHITE PEOPLE, INDIANS AND COLOURS GOING TO STAND UP AND SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" They take your land and steel your farms, they taking your jobs and burn your families, using the police as their force to intimidate...you guys just sit back and wait till it come to a scenario so worse that its to late to turn around. Ancyl openly declare war on whites...you guys must wake up and take your four million others and support of the colours and indians and drive these Mugabe copy goverment back to where they come from...you gave them chance for piece and they still not happy..now is the time people of all colours to standup against these black force corrupt officials and fight for the real democracy we voted for back in 94..common people stand together please.

      Brent Kotze - 2011-02-19 10:17

      where do you start with something like this - I am hoping you are not talking about a facebook or a tweeter movement here.

      Afrocentia - 2011-02-19 11:38

      What is your relationship with Don Quixote. The dreamland you live in does not exist anywhere in the world. You are a descendant of Jan Van Riebeck and his ilks who ran away from poverty in Europe to still our land 360 years ago. Is that too distant for your memory? But you are still reaping the rewards even today. The ANC fought against oppression for the people that is why it is so close to their hearts. You need to talk to all the big white business community that accumulated its wealth because of colonialism and apartheid to free the people from poverty by sharing it, may be we'll see the realignment of the political and social landscape and new allegiances will emerge.

  • Sue - 2011-02-19 10:10

    ANCYL

  • Sue - 2011-02-19 10:12

    ANCYL knows all.....hahahahaha - watch your backs, your own will turn on you for being so arrogant and misleading.

      Swartvel - 2011-02-19 10:14

      What is very strange for me is"WHEN ARE YOUR WHITE PEOPLE, INDIANS AND COLOURS GOING TO STAND UP AND SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" They take your land and steel your farms, they taking your jobs and burn your families, using the police as their force to intimidate...you guys just sit back and wait till it come to a scenario so worse that its to late to turn around. Ancyl openly declare war on whites...you guys must wake up and take your four million others and support of the colours and indians and drive these Mugabe copy goverment back to where they come from...you gave them chance for piece and they still not happy..now is the time people of all colours to standup against these black force corrupt officials and fight for the real democracy we voted for back in 94..common people stand together please.

  • ellard - 2011-02-19 10:14

    That's what these youth league flat noses would say. Little do they know that their time is limited. Enjoy what ever time you have left as soon enough all of you will be mowing lawns and weeding gardens again. HaHa

      Afrocentia - 2011-02-19 11:48

      You sound like a blind-folded racist who does not even know where you are. You are in Africa where indigeneous people with no European descendancy like you are found. Your identity crisis makes you think that your nose distinguishes you as a better person, follow some of your counterparts and emmigrate to Australia, where noses that look like are being blown of mucous are found.

      Swartvel - 2011-02-19 12:05

      @afrocentia, you are one of my black uneducated pricks living on dreams to steal and not work for it, we are four blacks in this office and work for what we have, theres one the five who talk the same like you, racist thugg!!! I am sure you are this one in my office...I will look out for you, you must not drag! our black brothers with you into the dungeons like the rest of africa your little arrogant twat, burn afrocentia, burn his kids, rob him..... what does it feel like Afrocentia????

  • Swartvel - 2011-02-19 10:19

    What is very strange for me is"WHEN ARE YOUR WHITE PEOPLE, INDIANS AND COLOURS GOING TO STAND UP AND SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" They take your land and steel your farms, they taking your jobs and burn your families, using the police as their force to intimidate...you guys just sit back and wait till it come to a scenario so worse that its to late to turn around. Ancyl openly declare war on whites...you guys must wake up and take your four million others and support of the colours and indians and drive these Mugabe copy goverment back to where they come from...you gave them chance for piece and they still not happy..now is the time people of all colours to standup against these black force corrupt officials and fight for the real democracy we voted for back in 94..common people stand together please.

      VM1 - 2011-02-19 10:27

      You need to wake up from this bad dream "vellie" my brother Nobody is taking you up on your idea nobody ever will. Miskein "draadsitters"

      burtfred - 2011-02-19 11:03

      Overdose of cutandpaste, Mr Swartvel. If you can't contribute something original, rather keep quiet.

  • nakkie1616 - 2011-02-19 10:37

    they are stealing the wealth of the country driving in fancy cars and stay in big houses. not the MINES which employs thousands of people in the country!! capitalism is the way to go. that is why white people can afford a loaf of bread and the black man is waiting on the government to buy him one. make young entrepreneurs!!! come one, everyone against the white minority?? leave whites alone.

  • ji - 2011-02-19 10:58

    a million home owners in Gauteng who pay for "armed crime reaction" where private security companies react AFTER the crime has taken place This service costs on average R250 p.m. Therefore 1,000,000 x R240.00 x 12 months x 14% VAT, generates R403 million in tax revenue for the SA Govt! A car thief steals a R500,000 car and receives between R10,000 and R30,000 for his deed. The car owner is paid out by insurance and then purchases another similar vehicle, on which he pays 14% VAT of approx R70,000 as a direct result of crime. Who profited the most? The thief or the SA Govt? We must begin with a mechanism whereby the SA Govt is forced to reconsider this unconstitutional and immoral practice of profiting from crime! All South Africans should demand that all payments related to protection of life and property should be VAT free and Tax deductible! This principle should also apply to replacement of stolen property as well as estate duty. If a person dies as a result of crime we should also demand that estate duty not be paid. How much do you think the SA Govt. has made out of estate duty from the murders of 1300 South African farmers? The S.A. Govt likes to compare us to overseas. Well overseas your safety and security is covered by your income tax and is tax deductible! It is time that South Africans stood together and made the Govt. and public aware of the Govt's "income" from crime. In the meantime crime is the goose that lays the golden egg .

  • JohannV - 2011-02-19 11:14

    Where there's smoke, there's fire. Zuma was quick to point out that "Egypt will not happen in SA". Guilty conscience? I think his heart is beating real fast right about now. And after Lybia and Tunisia, Rwanda and Zim will follow. SA WILL follow soon.

  • Spyker - 2011-02-19 11:31

    WE ARE MISSING THE POINT, AGAIN..! Floy Shitting-himself-vambu delivers the classic retort from the delusional revolutionaries of yonder. The convenient RED HERRING is the white community – ala Mugabe/Zim. It is evident the ANC does not possess the intellectual capital to govern SA as a sovereign entity – so they “borrow” tactics from eg Zim. During his visit to Zim, Malema openly lauded ZANU-PF’s “achievements”. We see cheap propaganda – the masses see an edict. The ANC attempted to overthrow the NP with numbers – the monster they created is now (predictably) turning on them. Extract from Moeletsi’s article, Former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher once commented that whoever thought that the ANC could rule South Africa was living in cloud-cuckoo-land. SA WILL FAIL UNDER THE ANC, they know it, their desperation is palpable; like a blind man, with a hot poker up his @ss, running around on a plate of ice. Never underestimate the desperate animal – in their myopic state, the ANC and its lackey (ANCYL) are behaving like children. They will sooner return to the only means they can muster – TO DESTROY. As before, the ANC will destroy everything, if they do not get their way. The ANC never won the “war” – in fact it lost overwhelmingly. Apartheid was overthrown by sanctions from the WEST. The key therefore is not what a desperate ANC is capable of – the pertinent question is: WILL THE WEST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE BROUGHT ABOUT IN SA..? ...

  • kevin.bradfield - 2011-02-19 11:35

    An academic over a layabout, know who I would list to. ANCYL goes to elections soon, see democracy in action..... yea right

  • Sho Fukamachi - 2011-02-19 11:42

    " but against white monopoly capitalists who continue to extract our resources" Yes Floyd you "black corrupt criminal". ANC cadre deployment and BEE will result in this country going down the toilet. This is when the people will revolt and you will be shipped to Zim, to live the way you want to live. Piece of sh*t.

  • Kevin Rack - 2011-02-19 11:43

    but against white monopoly capitalists who continue to extract our resources, massively profit, whilst our people remain without jobs and living in poverty, Who the fcuk spent 20billion rand buying shitt we dont need from these white monopoly capitalists? Moletsi is a great thinker of our time but you are a bunch of snot nose laaitjes who know nothing other than regurgitating failed 1970's communist rhetoric from some pld greedy hyenas. Take the counrty forward and not backwards and listen to the man with the brains and not the one doff one you love so much.

  • wattalotokak - 2011-02-19 11:55

    "If there will be any revolt in South Africa, it will not be against the ANC government, but against white monopoly capitalists who continue to extract our resources, massively profit, whilst our people remain without jobs and living in poverty," Is it me or does it sound like he is calling for a revolt against the white minority in this country??? If I am not mistaken - he has singled out a minority and created a statement of a revolt against this minority by using the colour! I am SURE this is a call for a revolt against the whites...! The guy who predicted 2020 is a blacck fellow country man who is CONCERNED and he has spoken of a revolt against a regime called the ANC - not a minority! This guy blatantly talks about a revolt based on colour. Cause TRUST me there are many black "captialists" who plunder the wealth of this country - Floyd is one of them...! And guys STOP thinking of the ancyl as young uneducated people - they are old people that have surpassed the age of being called young, and they are NOT stupid - they enrich themselves BECAUSE they have stupid followers...! They have no excuse for the way they are acting in this country - they should be eradicated the way the NAZI youth party should have been erradicated...!

  • hendrik.baird - 2011-02-19 12:10

    Let them eat sushi!

  • Spyker - 2011-02-19 12:57

    A cursory note to the ANC apologists re the Floy Shitting-himself-vambu comment, "If there will be any revolt in South Africa, it will not be against the ANC government, but against white monopoly capitalists who continue to extract our resources, massively profit, whilst our people remain without jobs and living in poverty," Lets examine this lame RED HERRING, “extract our resources” – he is evidently referring to the mining sector. The ANC has stifled this sector to an extent that it is now only 3.3% of SA’s GDP. Less than 10% of the jobs in the mining industry are occupied by whites. Such jobs are key skills and ‘ventures’ like (eg) Alexkor and Pamodzi has demonstrated what the ANC’s alternative does... Apart from the fact that the richest person in SA = a black person, viz Patrice Motsepe. His empire = mining, so kindly explain the “white monopoly”, Floy..? The only “monopoly capitalists” are the sushi eating “black diamond”-clan, raping (sometimes literally) the average SAcan, to fund a lifestyle that is completely out of sync with SA’s global economic standing. The ‘plan’ is rather to nationalise the mines; the failing BEE ventures (eg Kenny Kunene’s Rand Gold, etc) will receive millions in SA taxpayers’ money; then it will be sold to the Chinese (for more millions) – again following the Zim model (link in next comment); the reason SA was mysteriously allowed to form the BRICS. What “pricks” we are..!

  • Afrocentia - 2011-02-19 14:57

    Swartvel, go and express your false sense of superiority of your race to the horses. What we do know is that white people stole the land from blacks and all the mineral wealth which they took to their original countries to manufacture the end products you referred to. We didn't invite you here with all "your computers, cars" etc. You knew you had to resort to the most inhumane conduct of dehumanising black people in order to steal what naturally belonged to them. It couldn't get any worse, and you either continue to lose your sense of shame or you are completely detached from historical facts. You are a product of colonialism and a distorted history because you most probably have lost track of your own origin, and identity and the big ego you have is the only thing left in you. As for you JohannV, I spoke about a separatist regime and not apartheid. In any case apartheid was only the consolidation of the colonial era. As for your lack of education, poor salary and your wife who needs a grant, it is only a reflection of your failure (or that of your parents) to take full advantage of the system that was designed to benefit even the lowest IQed white person. White people should not pray for everthing to be equalised but they should share their ill-gotten wealth wich they accumulated through the system of inequality that they voted and kept in power for decades, if there is anyone to take their "equality" intentions seriously.

      burtfred - 2011-02-19 16:08

      Your racist diatribe is not really worthy of an intelligent response, but I'll try to get through your Royal Blackness anyway. (your name refers) You make a whole lot of hackneyed assertions about who stole what, blah, blah, blah, as if repeatedly talking about them will remove them from history. "White" people are not the only humans capable or guilty of past atrocities. Racists like you who perpetually refer to peoples' race are destructive to the national effort towards reconciliation. The racist organisations you apparently support cannot survive the glaring spotlights of human decency. Apartheid is dead, get over it, get a life.

      Swartvel - 2011-02-19 19:01

      My Afrocentia brother, your mother is sleeping with your brothers father, you racist and why you call me swartvel, I am black and proud and the whiteman is white and proud, where do you fit in????Racist piece off oxygen thieve....

      Pink_Polony - 2011-02-20 11:24

      @Afrocentia, People with your outlook leaves us with no other choice but to go back to war. Apartheid was not ended by MK - MK was the biggest joke in military history ever (it was a bunch of garden boys who could not spell 'rifle') - it was ended by sanctions from the WEST and by the WHITE people who voted in the '92 Referendum. There are hardly any African countries that can govern themselves - Africans can only steal, rape and kill (look at the stats). SA's development only happened after Europeans came to the land - nothing but iron-age implements existed before (ie from the time of the dinosaurs). At least Apartheid never made a cattle herder with a std 3 the President of the country, or made someone who failed woodwork a prominent politician, or created a land where the average IQ of the masses are lower than what the rest of the world regards as mentally retarded (and judging by your comments - you are a shining example).

      ulstersaffa - 2011-02-21 13:05

      and black people took the land from the bushman. thats what happens, it is sad but that used to happen in the past. lets not forget how the UK and many other countrties wher invaded so it isnt just SA. you have a chip on your shoulder! have you forgotten the message Tutu and Mandela brought to us? lets live together and make the country work. I knwo there are many racist on hear but you cannot deny ANCYL is racist futhermore, they no nothing of the past.

  • Blikskottel - 2011-02-19 15:00

    Now who will you believe: Flawed "the untrained pumpkin" Shivambo in the red corner or will it be Moeletsi "the eduated" Mbeki in the blue corner?

  • Shisstirrer QBE - 2011-02-19 15:50

    Floyd , I would'nt hold my breath if I were you .