ANCYL distances itself from Shivambu

2012-04-17 07:20

Johannesburg - ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu's public criticism of ANC appeals chairperson Cyril Ramaphosa was made in his personal capacity and does not represent the ANCYL's official position, its deputy president Ronald Lamola said late on Monday.

"We agree with the ANC that the attack on Cyril Ramaphosa's personal integrity and standing in society was unwarranted [and] did nothing to advance a comradely political debate," Lamola said.

He said the ANCYL "denounces and disowns" a statement issued on its behalf earlier on Monday defending Shivambu.

It did not "represent the official position of the ANCYL but the views of the individual who published it".

"The ANCYL has directed all members of the NEC [National Executive Committee] or its ordinary members that when they are engaged in public discourse [they] should do so to advocate or defend ANCYL official position," he said.

Ramaphosa's motives questioned

In an article published in the Sunday Times, Shivambu questioned Ramaphosa's motives for punishing ANCYL president Julius Malema.

Malema has been expelled from the ANC for sowing division in the party and for bringing it into disrepute. His appeal is being heard by the ANC's national disciplinary committee of appeals, which Ramaphosa chairs. Shivambu has himself been suspended from the ANC for three years for sowing division and bringing the party into disrepute by swearing at a journalist and issuing a statement calling for a change of government in Botswana. He has also appealed.

On Monday, the ANC said his article was "mischievous, disingenuous, and smacks of ill-discipline".

"The African National Congress is appalled at the crude, uncouth, disrespectful, and insulting attack," ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said.

However, an ANCYL spokesperson later issued a statement criticising the ANC for insulting Shivambu instead of using the opportunity to educate him. It is this statement from which the ANCYL has since distanced itself.

"The ANC once again missed an opportunity to educate and mould a comrade if he indeed was wrong, and chose to throw insults and attack him as an individual," the spokesperson said.

"As a young cadre of the ANC, what is he going to benefit from insults by adults in the ANC?" she asked.

In the Sunday Times article, Shivambu accused Ramaphosa of sacrificing his principles.

"We initially did not know what the real reasons why Cyril Ramaphosa could degenerate to that level or language and derision of principle were, but certain facts and recent developments shed the light on what could be basis of ignoring principle," he wrote.

"The fact that a faction in the ANC has promised him the position of deputy president, which he so dearly wanted in 1994, could be one of the reasons why he took such a stance."

However, Mthembu said the ANC's branches had not started discussing nominations and it there was, therefore, not true that Ramaphosa was on any list.

"This exists in the warped imagination of the likes of Floyd," he said.

Mthembu said the ANC's disciplinary and appeals processes were determined by its constitution.

"It is therefore disingenuous to blame an individual for the work processed by a team," he said.

"This is tantamount to saying other members of the team are dwarfs; useless, sheepish followers who do not apply their minds."


Mthembu said Shivambu had a history of lacking discipline.

"This has come with a cost in some of our progressive structures at tertiary level. It is not surprising that he left the Young Communist League on the verge of being charged."

In his article, Shivambu wrote: "Like all borrowed robes, those given to Cyril Ramaphosa are beginning to wane down through his inconsistent application of principle....

"If comrade Cyril was really the man of the Constitution who presided over a transition that everybody in the world celebrates today, how did he fail to manage what is vividly an injustice against the leadership of the ANC Youth League?" he asked.

Mthembu said the phrase "borrowed robes" undermined Ramaphosa's capabilities.

"It is... saddening that because of petty jealousies from the likes of Floyd, the successes that a number of blacks have achieved in the mainstream of the economy under very trying circumstances is relegated to insignificance.

"The advice we can offer to the likes of Floyd is that ANC members and the public cannot be fooled by their statements," Mthembu said.

  • Lorain - 2012-04-17 07:31

    I never thought I would see this happen,the youth league itself is now self destructing,lol.

      Wimpie.Haefele - 2012-04-17 07:38

      We can only hope that they drag the ANC down with them.

      Jessica - 2012-04-17 07:40

      And so the circus continues....

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-17 07:43

      The ANCYL cannot distance themselves from their leaders. Their leaders are their own elected voice. All the ANCYL spokespeople are speaking the voice and heart of the entire ANCYL. That is who they really are, a destructive and divisive rogue force in South Africa. PLEASE ANC, DISBAND AND SHUT DOWN THE DYSFUNCTIONAL ANCYL !!!

      Lyndatjie - 2012-04-17 07:44

      Right! They are busy imploding! Guess they are FINALLY realising that Mommy and Daddy is NOT as indulgent as what they used to be and like all naughty children they are now going to be given boundaries... Sit in the corner ANCYL and grow up!

      Nigel - 2012-04-17 07:48

      Hectic... The only thing the ANCYL has on it's side now is time!

      E=MC2 - 2012-04-17 08:17

      lets hope they get disbanded! Its awesome watching these little childish idiots flap their mouths & get spanked :-)

      Mark - 2012-04-17 08:38

      That awkward moment when you realise that the political party you belong to would rather have you outside the tent, pissing in, than inside the tent, pissing out.

      Jack - 2012-04-17 09:03

      Self-destructing because of pure GREED!! all of them.

      J-Man - 2012-04-17 09:39

      With those dimwits in charge it was only a matter of time. And the time is now. You cannot be that openly ignorant and stupid and get away with it for ever.

      Mart - 2012-04-17 09:47

      hahaha......can you believe that even the standard of our idiots is dropping in the RSA. Rubik must come out of retirement and make a new game for these mutants to play!

  • donald.perumal - 2012-04-17 07:31

    The members of the ANCYL go around as if they are primary school, everytime somebody messes up the ANC needs to clean their snotty nose.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-17 07:43

      The ANCYL cannot distance themselves from their leaders. Their leaders are their own elected voice. All the ANCYL spokespeople are speaking the voice and heart of the entire ANCYL. That is who they really are, a destructive and divisive rogue force in South Africa. PLEASE ANC, DISBAND AND SHUT DOWN THE DYSFUNCTIONAL ANCYL !!!

      infijar.ken - 2012-04-17 11:25

      Alicia, they'll only all move over to the NYDA.

  • Adrian - 2012-04-17 07:31

    Howcome the ANC puts up with this continual nonsense? Their youth league insult them all the time yet they don't do anything of real significance. I couldn't care less one way or another, I jst find it strange.

      Ben - 2012-04-17 07:49

      Without leaders every fool talks and there is no direction.

      mfudzi.wamambo - 2012-04-17 14:10

      you can say that again Adrian

  • Pushka - 2012-04-17 07:32

    And so it continues, ANC factionalism and infighting leading to the governing party taking its eye off the ball and having to deal with trivial matters like this instead of running our country effectively. Grow up, PLEASE The people of South Africa are crying out for good leadership, is there nobody out there who can stand up and take a firm stand?? I weep for our future.

  • Jacqueline - 2012-04-17 07:34

    Plenty of "distancing" going on in the last 72 hours. At this rate, the ANCYL will end up governing the Arctic circle and accusing the polar bears or racism.

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-04-17 11:17

      Especially the white bears.

  • lulama - 2012-04-17 07:35

    ANCYL what a waste of oxygen.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-17 08:04

      They are a useless bunch, aren't they?

      Balan - 2012-04-17 15:30

      Lulama, you kuluma 100% facts

  • Andrew - 2012-04-17 07:37

    The blind leading, the blind, leading the deaf, leading the confused, leading the very confused.....

      Gigo - 2012-04-17 09:52

      You don't understand politics,so please be silent.

      Kala - 2012-04-17 10:05

      Sganja... A white troll

      Gigo - 2012-04-17 10:12

      Kala ,Troll?How?

      Gigo - 2012-04-17 10:12

      Lesson number one,don't call people who differ with you Trolls @Kala

      Bones - 2012-04-17 11:01

      Sganja is full of ganja again.The poor two braincells are really suffering.

      debbie.van.niekerk - 2012-04-17 14:14

      Goodness Andrew I dont think anyone could have said it any better. Perhaps Sganja is upset because you beat him to the post with this winning comment

  • seandevil - 2012-04-17 07:38

    If the ANC can't control their kids ,how they gonna contol the coutry? Desperete messures are what we are sseing?

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-04-17 08:21

      I'd hardly call most of those ancyl members KIDS...soon they will be approaching middle age. This actually should be an organisation with a maximum age of 25yrs...for it to be considered a youth league.

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-04-17 11:19

      I say 21 should be max age.

  • IcemanGP - 2012-04-17 07:42

    The OLDEST Youth League in the world. Shows a lot for the maturity of intelligence.

      infijar.ken - 2012-04-17 11:45

      Here was me thinking that the KU (Young Conservatives), in Denmark, were the oldest political youth organisation in the world.

      debbie.van.niekerk - 2012-04-17 14:18

      with the standard of education at an all time LOW..... their mindset is now probably that of a 19 year old hence them being way over 30 and still classified as YOUTH....Tis simple actually. Ergo... we are all South Africans and therefore we can scrape 20years of our lives. Quite cool actually

  • andile.fihlela - 2012-04-17 07:44

    Let m grab a sit in the 1st row with a bowl of popcorn. This is geting interesting. Mabe vs lamola battle begins.

      Jacqueline - 2012-04-17 07:45

      You bring the popcorn, I'll bring the Coke and Smarties!

      Lorain - 2012-04-17 07:57

      @ Andile you quite right this is getting enjoyable,stuff soapies and going to the movies,this is where the action is.

  • Smell - 2012-04-17 07:44

    I wish the political situation was evolved enough for the ANC to take a 4 year break from governing to reinvent itself. A dose of DA leadership, although extremely unlikely, would probably be good medicine for the country and the ANC. The ANC has such a storied history and is the party best positioned to promote racial healing in or scarred and troubled land. I would vote for the ANC if the values of Luthuli, Mandela , Thambo, Sisulu, and Mbeki snr was held aloft. I still look up to people like Mr. Ramaphosa, Mr. Trevor Manual, Mr. Pravin Gorhan and the like. And Mr. Tutu who is not a member of the governing party, but certainly the conscience of our land. Mr. Zuma is not a bad person, but the ANC has become too big a tent and it is a party in desperate need of a major reset and renewal. The current ANCYL leadeship has to be completely weeded out and reestablished with smart, educated young African leaders - like Mandela and Thambo were decades ago.

      Andrew - 2012-04-17 08:22

      Zuma is not bad. He is a criminal who is trying to undermine the judiciary, the constitution, the disbanding of the scorpions, placing key people in positions to protect him esp. the security services and NPA so that he cannot be charged for fraud and sent to jail. He is not bad/ He is by far the worst we have had.

      Smell - 2012-04-17 09:19

      There are many Western politicians with a history of corruption or sexual impropriety. The Clintons had something fishy going on with the Whitewater affair, and we all know that Bill, like JFK, could not keep his zipper closed in the Oval Office. We all know about tricky Richard Nixon and the Watergate scandal. And what about that French pervert Dominic Strauss-Kahn, that was the Head of the World Bank and had a clear shot at the French Presidency, until he was tripped up by someone ratting on the orgies he had been attending? I say Mr. Zuma is not a bad person, because unlike Thabo Mbeki, I do not get the impression he carries a grudge, not even against the Afrikaner. That is remarkable, since he did time on Robben Island. And when you paint Mr. Zuma as "bad", and not appreciate his lack of a grudge, what will you say when you end up with someone like Malema or Mugabe? Mr. Zuma has not grabbed land and he has not nationalized mines, despite huge pressure from his constituency. As far as I am concerned he can have as many wives as he wants, as long as he takes care of the real threat to our country , the Malemas and other uneducated thugs wanting to turns SA into the wasteland that Zimababwe has become.

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-04-17 11:23

      Smell, i agree with you - i don't think Zuma is bad per se, however, i do think he is not the most competent leader we could have, and he is certainly adept at protecting his own interests. I believe, like the majority of the ANC leaders they feel untouchable, and above the law. The fact that he has shown some restraint is commendable, under the circumstances...

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-04-17 11:24

      "As far as I am concerned he can have as many wives as he wants, as long as he takes care".........As long as he pays for the other three. I do not think we should spend R16 mil on his wives.

      Smell - 2012-04-17 15:46

      Would you prefer Mr. Zuma with 5 or 6 wives, or Mr. Malema with no wife? Sometimes you do not have the luxury to define the options, but you do have the privilege to make a choice. Get it?

  • Kabelo - 2012-04-17 07:49

    If it was the people who were rioting for basic services.we were not going to here any person from the ANC condeming those who have responsebility for rendering services.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-17 08:05

      unfortunately, you are right

  • hc12345 - 2012-04-17 07:54

    The quickest way to turn a Communist into a Capitalist is to show him money. Cyril Ramaphosa is a prime example.

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-04-17 11:28

      Is he a BBEEE candidate like Tokyo? If not, where did he get his money. Nothing on Wiki.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-17 12:02

      Cyril wanted to buy a wild animal and almost bid R20million for her. Someone else beat him though. The prescription for wealth these people have must be awesome. Imagine if they would use that money to uplift the weak in society. What a dream.

  • Dennis - 2012-04-17 07:55

    The kiddies are fighting in the sand pit whilst the parenta are eating R12500-00 birthday cake !! ANC YOU ARE ALL ROTTEN !!!

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-04-17 11:30

      And we have a crook for a president, only in Africa.

  • Tumelo - 2012-04-17 08:00

    Just a matter of time before Floyd and Julius are alone in the cold! They are not helping the situation either with their public self disgrace!

      Mmase - 2012-04-17 08:06

      hoo ka ANCYL! We a enuf. Cnt watch newz read a newz paper ,magezine without ANCYL being in hot water. Youth ya nou e tala kaofela SO WAT?

      Tumelo - 2012-04-17 08:14

      The media has always given them a lot of attention. They probably think they are news worthy. Julius interview on SABC drew a lot of viewers. Seems they will follow them post their political careers.

      Tumelo - 2012-04-17 09:09

      I'm not an expert in politics but insulting the very person who holds my fate literally, isn't clever. But this brings back Ruel Khoza's comment about a strange breed of leaders. These guys are going to be ministers in the future if they remain in the ANC. What kind of leaders are these?

  • Phuti - 2012-04-17 08:02

    A perfect chance for new political in this country,a party with clean leaders.

  • Azmeena - 2012-04-17 08:05

    Sivambu needs a muzzle. That is the only time he will shut his mouth. He wants to try and be like Malema (open your mouth and spew any nonsense). He is disrespectful and full of himself.

  • boby.mafi - 2012-04-17 08:06

    The ANCYL saga looks like is playing itself to a logical conclusion.Sanity will prevail over the childlike mentality of the likes of Juju and Floyd.They can't mess with Cyril and get away with it....they will lose public and youth sympathy!

  • Freddie - 2012-04-17 08:06

    Please, how old is Floyd? Ok I know he has the mind of a 12 yr old but he's been around politics for long enough and been involved many disciplinary incidents to have cottoned on by now. He's a grown man and must take responsibilty for his actions. How pathetic..

  • pumlanukunamyeki - 2012-04-17 08:15

    It's time for the ANC to deal with the likes of Flyod and Malemaa once and for all. I would suggest that Magaqa be put on the same boat because definitely he is a problem as well.

  • sandy.langenstrass - 2012-04-17 08:16

    Anc need to take charge of this situation....there are attacks every day on senior ministers...WHY CAN YOU NOT STOP the ancyl? As some suggest ..leave them to their own...soon they will destroy each other and the anc party in the process. WATCH and WAIT....

  • Donovan - 2012-04-17 08:17

    Its only fools and dimwits who support the ANC circus nowadays,these fools have lost the plot completely,there is no way that common sense,sanity and integrity will prevail in this organisation, they are going down,they are so divided, only united in stupidity and corruption

  • Adrian - 2012-04-17 08:18

    The little kiddies in the ANC creche should get their bums smacked. Give each one a good hiding on the butt like we used to get at school. Those that don't listen should feel. Maybe if they get a good hiding would the little kiddies learn some respect.

  • Pieter - 2012-04-17 08:20

    The President is busy fornicating himself a new constituency big enough to warrant their own zip code and the current government is too busy fighting the ANCYL (for the first quarter of this year if I might add). Who is keeping their eye on the ball for the tax payer? (Not their hand in the cookie jar...that's easy) Just for a moment try and remember how distracted from work you were when you had to move house, get married, divorced or even had a sick child and you will have an idea of how distracted these guys are from running the country with all this going on around them. And the scary part is when they do mess up badly (like all humans do) and try to cover it up. Come on Ring Master Zuma stop the circus, step aside and let someone that can run this country do so!

      Steve - 2012-04-17 10:28

      Well said Pieter. A bigger collection of Trolls you will never find elsewhere on earth.

  • Daniel - 2012-04-17 08:21

    Malema has been expelled from the ANC for sowing division in the party and for bringing it into disrepute! So sich of reading this line 3 times a week in the \news\, and nothing is happening against this \leader\.....

  • Ian - 2012-04-17 08:21

    and so the kiddie brigrade continues to disintegrate, incredible whatever they touch, they destroy, its been proven over and over and over, the continent of africa is a shining example, yeah i know im racist, blah blah boring

  • zuksy - 2012-04-17 08:27

    i think it will be necessary for the youth league to now stop on continuing of their ill discipline and im fully support on what the ANC is doing because these are now silly and it must continue taking racial steps against them using the switch of the party i.e. Constitution to beat the disrespectful people in the party.....

  • JHLR73 - 2012-04-17 08:32

    Bla blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...ANC vs ANCYL..It is getting boring now really...

  • Biggs - 2012-04-17 08:33

    Anc(african national corruption) vs Ancyl(african national youth lunatics) the result be nationalisation, land invations , revolutional house and militant . Hey madoda!

  • Mark - 2012-04-17 08:35

    I have just read Floyd's article and I must say I did not like him much and I thought he was stupid but after reading it, I realise that he is brave. This is how we all felt when Cyril read the outcomes of the YL's appeal. I just hope Floyd is wrong because if he isn't, I am not voting for Zuma and Ramaphosa (prez and dep) come next elections.NEVER!!!!

      Tumelo - 2012-04-17 08:49

      He is brave and stupid!hypocrytic too!

      zuksy - 2012-04-17 08:56

      Mark, this article of shivambu i just totally out of order, because he has to count his words when forwarding words like this especial to Cde Cyril bcz those comrades know exactly what are they doing and in case of Cde Cyril to be the next D. President i am fully in support of that because of role he played in the party during hard days of figfhting for this freedom.....really ababantwana bafuna ukubethwa nyhani bcz abanambeko nyhani ngoku....bayadelela.....

      Mark - 2012-04-17 09:04

      @zuksy no doubt I agree with you, they are silly. But doesn't the YL request the elders to speak to them if they are out of line instead of punishing them and burying them in public? I tell you, if there could be a leader in the anc who can sit down with them and tell them straight their mistakes, all these things will change. One last thing, I am a parent. Gone are the days where you punish your child if you want him/her to do what you want. Civilised parennts sit down with their children and teach them step by step. the anc leaders can't do that because they encouraged them to spew garbage against Mbeki and now they want to tell us that these boys are misbehaving. Really mother body??

  • Dru Jnr Gale - 2012-04-17 08:35

    ANC must just get rid of this disrespectful boys once and for all,they're full of s****

      Bless Boswell - 2012-04-17 08:42

      And what about the ANC themselves? You don't think they are disrespectful? Stealing public funds, allowing state assets to fall into disrepair? While the country goes to the dogs - as they feast at the banquet table?

      Balan - 2012-04-17 15:49

      cANCer is going to demise soon

      Balan - 2012-04-17 15:53

      Mr Zuma please call JESUS immediately to cure your cANCer

  • Rose - 2012-04-17 08:37


      Bless Boswell - 2012-04-17 08:40

      Rose, how can it be taboo? I know our cultures are different, but surely if someone makes a mistake, they should be put right - otherwise it could be costly or maybe cost someone their life.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-17 09:40

      @Rose - and what about the youth being prepared to receive the correct discipline from those same elders, when the youth do wrong?

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-04-17 08:37

    Can anyone remember how the ball began to roll on all the latest scandals? Wasn't it the exposure of Malema's ratenang trust and his tender activities? If this is so, then we all actually owe the lady reporter and Juju a debt of gratitude for providing the opportunity to expose it all!!

  • ludlowdj - 2012-04-17 08:53

    The ANC and its "youth" league make it up as they go along hey? Sorry boys, in politics their is no such thing as personal capacity in the same sense that there is no such thing as an off duty policeman. Anything stated by any political representative is official and on the record, they do no have and are not entitled to a personal opinion. The ANC's continual use of lame excuses is tiring to say the least.

      zuksy - 2012-04-17 09:06

      it showz that we still going to face this ill discipline and direspectful of each other in the party if we will say yes to political representatives when they are telling the public things that are not fruitful....

  • Ted - 2012-04-17 08:56

    In the anger generated by this story we should not allow Mthembu to escape a very discriminatory statement he made. He assumes that dwarfs are useless people? I know of a lot of law-abiding and hardworking people who through no choice of their own are born that way. Some are even ANC members. Discrimination by anybody anywhere should be roundly condemned. I am a 6ft tall person but I never denote any of our people with a 'less-than' (<) mathematical sign.

  • Michael Dire - 2012-04-17 09:08

    c'mon Shivambu is not a child he know very well what is wrong & right, he doesn't need any education he's long past that stage what he needs is to suffer the consequences of his actions which will be to uphold the suspension by the appeals committee.

  • Mark - 2012-04-17 09:14

    malema and crew lack social and economic skills, yes i agree - the dubul' ibunu song was uncalled for in this country, the way they presented their mine nationalisation shows that they need some economics lessons. but i think they are correct politically because zuma wants second term and as a result eliminates anyone in front of him

  • edwardsch - 2012-04-17 09:15

    The rats have seen that the ship is about to go down and it is now time to leave. Bye Bye Julius and cronies !!!!!!!!

  • Jacques - 2012-04-17 09:18

    When will this nonsense stop. The ANC and the ANCYL must be the only parties in the world that think personal and political is split. Did Bill Clinton have Monica in his personal capacity.I mean surely he did not have her based in his political capacity. If you are a Political leader your personal life and Political life can not be split. You must lead and people vote for your persona and what you as a person represent. The same would go for JSE listed company executives. They cant state they hate their competitor in a public forum and then state sorry it was my personal view. You will be fired finished and klaar. Does our country honestly accept that a political leader can say what he wants in their personal capapcity with out such opinion affecting it political view. Come on get real and get a brain

  • divinia.pillay - 2012-04-17 09:21

    Maybe it would be wise to educate the spokesperson, so that the ANCYL doesn't have to distance themselves from statements made on a public forum by their own spokesperson.

  • - 2012-04-17 09:23

    but the spokesperson is then the ANCYL or what? are other member now starting to fight among each other or is Floyd Shivambu seeing all the attention malema is getting and now he wants to ride the gravy train too? Shame pretty soon we will see political motivated murders among the stories of crime and corruption. I still prefer watching cage fighting but this is getting better and better

  • KCorsar - 2012-04-17 09:23

    Time for the ANCYL to disappear, as its morphed itself into nothing more than a kindergarten of disgruntled & misinformed louts; with one aim to get rich quick while sitting on their backsides. It is a shadow of its ideals and has failed to move with the times and address the real issues at hand instead remains fixated with socialism and in a pre democratic time warp.

  • KCorsar - 2012-04-17 09:24

    Kick him out as well, he is nothing without his beret and thick head buddies..................

  • Kenengek - 2012-04-17 09:28

    Jackson Mthembu and Gwede Mantashe please go and read up on dwarfism. It has nothing to do with not applying your mind or following others sheepishly.In fact Jackson, you are sheepish as you apply what you heard from Gwede without knowing what it means. Gwede was the first village idiot to use the word dwarf in this context.

      sydney.matubandlela - 2012-04-17 10:28

      About the dwarfism, they are not using the literal meaning of the word, and the fact that u first had being used by Gwede doesn't mean it's his own, in fact it's a commonly used term in the political circles

      Kenengek - 2012-04-17 12:19

      "It is therefore disingenuous to blame an individual for the work processed by a team," he said. "This is tantamount to saying other members of the team are dwarfs; useless, sheepish followers who do not apply their minds." Please tell me what is the intention behind this!

      Thando - 2012-04-17 16:26

      Cn u commnt on th context of th article, instead of makin yo a$$ jealous bcoz of whts cumn out of yo mouth.

  • Marion - 2012-04-17 09:30

    A house divided against itself.

      Gigo - 2012-04-17 09:54

      No they are not divided Marion...

      Balan - 2012-04-17 16:01

      anc is divided and will end up like a pizza

  • Ted - 2012-04-17 09:31

    Why distance themselves? Malema's defense was that ALL statements he made were made on behalf of the ANCYL! We take this to be the same. It was on behalf of ALL in the ANCYL. They can't be allowed to cherry-pick. If they have to go, all should be shoveled off like a heap of ***t they have become.

  • Rob - 2012-04-17 09:42

    There are about 15 to 20 million out there who dont give a shyte about all this infighting and based on race they will STILL be voting ANC. The cANCer has spread & there is no cure. A box of KFC & a T-Shirt, still has the power to pull them in.

      Bobo - 2012-04-17 11:41

      True @ Rob ..They are like those 1 brain celled termites on a grass lawn ..continiously eating away and leaving a path of destruction where ever they go...Why ?? Because it`s in their nature to do so.

  • JohnnoBfree - 2012-04-17 09:42

    While all this infighting goes on, our people are starving, have no houses or jobs. Get over yourselves already and fix the problems in this beautiful land of ours. If not the poor will rise up and the country will burn up in revolution. (Does Egypt, Libya and Syria ring a bell) Fix what we have now or risk losing everything. Grow up!

  • Lerato - 2012-04-17 09:54

    These \youth\ undisciplined retards who attack their seniors willy nilly can never win a debate against Jackson or Gwede, so they must just shut up! Jackson hit them with you usual \as dirty as 7 pigs\ jibe

  • Lerato - 2012-04-17 09:54

    These \youth\ undisciplined retards who attack their seniors willy nilly can never win a debate against Jackson or Gwede, so they must just shut up! Jackson hit them with you usual \as dirty as 7 pigs\ jibe